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Not to be a dick, but, what are Shield's powers? Seems like super strength in the OP pic?
Spidey has a proven track record against a wide range of opponents/power sets.

Originally posted by riv6672
Not to be a dick, but, what are Shield's powers? Seems like super strength in the OP pic?
Spidey has a proven track record against a wide range of opponents/power sets.

That was against Gorilla Grodd. Shield has the nanotech suit, which makes him immune to telepathy, enhanced speed, strength, senses, and flight. His suit was pretty versatile.

Telepathy's a non factor, so, we're talking a Grodd (ish) strength level flying brick.

Spidey for the majority.

If we were talking MLJ versio of Shield instead of the crappy DC copy then Bill Higgins for a majority.

The original super Soldier (thats right he saw print 8 months before Captai America) had spidey level strengrh, speed and agility. Was inpervious to small arms fire, had a healing factor and was a bloody weĺl trained H2H combatant.

The DC imprint goes down hard

Damn, the original Shield even coined the term Spidey level!
Readers were all

Originally posted by riv6672
Damn, the original Shield even coined the term Spidey level!
Readers were all

No It wasn't "referred to as spidey level". But he could flip armored tanks pretty easily
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Tank Mortar shells
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as well as a lot more.

Was quite acrobatic/ agile
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3179211-crusaders04028.jpg
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He was shown to be able to work when the air was so low others had passed out. etc etc.

I was j/k

I appreciate the scans though.
Still going with Spidey in this scenario.

Shield for the maj..i like the bug but nah

^^^Cant see it.

Spidey's stronger, faster, surely has better feats.

spiderman

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Cant see it.

Spidey's stronger, faster, surely has better feats.

While I'm not fan of the DCU imprint of Shield Spidey certainly isn't stronger

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2202252-dc_shield_1.jpg

That's an M1 Abrams tank he's lifting. They weigh about 60 tons. Spidey isn't anywhere near that strong. The feat I showed of Classic MLJ shield was an older tank and he used leverage to only lift one side. He was more even to Spidey in strength. The DC one vastly stronger.

He also has the durability edge in a big way.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2202253-dc_shield_3.jpg
The guy even sky dives without a parachute
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2202254-dc_shield_durability.jpg

Not saying Spidey can't take him (I'm rooting for him for the DC knock off/ purchased rights to use) him. But Stronger Parker most assuredly isn't.

Originally posted by beatboks
While I'm not fan of the DCU imprint of Shield Spidey certainly isn't stronger

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2202252-dc_shield_1.jpg

That's an M1 Abrams tank he's lifting. They weigh about 60 tons. Spidey isn't anywhere near that strong. The feat I showed of Classic MLJ shield was an older tank and he used leverage to only lift one side. He was more even to Spidey in strength. The DC one vastly stronger.

Not saying Spidey can't take him (I'm rooting for him for the DC knock off/ purchased rights to use) him. But Stronger Parker most assuredly isn't.

Unless Spidey actually LIFTS the entire tank...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100813/2697806-feat15strengthqz5.jpg

Didn't Shield face off against Magog in one of those issues?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless Spidey actually LIFTS the entire tank...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100813/2697806-feat15strengthqz5.jpg

The yank in the spidey scan looks more like a sherman that weigh in at 30 to 34 tons.

Apples for apples

Originally posted by Zack M
Didn't Shield face off against Magog in one of those issues? magogs feats are all over the place. There is nothing to my knowledge that actually quantifies his strength level his fight with power girl in my opinion is it an outlier. Besides which elX fighting Y is no way to determine a Stength level. let's face facts Hourman who is only at best a 30/40 toner has fought Black Adam and Despero. Doesnt make him stronger.

Originally posted by beatboks
magogs feats are all over the place. There is nothing to my knowledge that actually quantifies his strength level his fight with power girl in my opinion is it an outlier. Besides which elX fighting Y is no way to determine a Stength level. let's face facts Hourman who is only at best a 30/40 toner has fought Black Adam and Despero. Doesnt make him stronger.

He also defeated Gorilla Grodd from what I remember. Grodd has been pretty beastly.

Spiderman

Originally posted by Zack M
He also defeated Gorilla Grodd from what I remember. Grodd has been pretty beastly.

And Grodd has done exactly what strength wise???
Again i ask what does X battling Y have to do with a classification in strength??

Batman has fought and defeated Blockbuster, Solomon Grundy, and other powerful brick. Does that make him their class in strength? NO

Wildcat has also fought guys well out of his weight class in strength and won.

Atom Smasher has fought and matched Black Adam on three occasions who is well above hin in strength. In his case NOT due to strength but due to his ability to also alter his mass.

Hawman whos best strength feats due to Nth metal are a few tons only has fought class 100++ bricks on dozens of occasions.

Spidey has fought and bested Firelord. Black panther's arm bar on SS. Cap America has fought many class 100's. Daredevil has three wins vs Namor.

Using the argument X fought Y to try and quantify anyone in strength in fiction simply doesn't cut it. There is always context to those battles. I see no reason why Spidey couldnt take a majority against Grodd or Magog.

Originally posted by beatboks
And Grodd has done exactly what strength wise???
Again i ask what does X battling Y have to do with a classification in strength??

Batman has fought and defeated Blockbuster, Solomon Grundy, and other powerful brick. Does that make him their class in strength? NO

Wildcat has also fought guys well out of his weight class in strength and won.

Atom Smasher has fought and matched Black Adam on three occasions who is well above hin in strength. In his case NOT due to strength but due to his ability to also alter his mass.

Hawman whos best strength feats due to Nth metal are a few tons only has fought class 100++ bricks on dozens of occasions.

Spidey has fought and bested Firelord. Black panther's arm bar on SS. Cap America has fought many class 100's. Daredevil has three wins vs Namor.

Using the argument X fought Y to try and quantify anyone in strength in fiction simply doesn't cut it. There is always context to those battles. I see no reason why Spidey couldnt take a majority against Grodd or Magog.

I never said Grodd was stronger than anyone, but he does have a good damage soak under certain writers. He took a hit from the Flash that sent him to another state.

Spidey everyday

How does he get past the nano tech suit?

Punching.

Originally posted by beatboks
The yank in the spidey scan looks more like a sherman that weigh in at 30 to 34 tons.

Apples for apples

Exactly. One is a clean press overhead, the other is propped up and leaning against you, ASSUMING the tanks are like their real world counterparts.

This whole tank thing is interesting but not a sticking point for me when choosing Spidey, no pun intended.
Spidey simply has too many feats under his belt in dealing with characters more powerful than himself (and The Shield) for me to believe he'd lose here.

Originally posted by beatboks
If we were talking MLJ versio of Shield instead of the crappy DC copy then Bill Higgins for a majority.

The original super Soldier (thats right he saw print 8 months before Captai America) had spidey level strengrh, speed and agility. Was inpervious to small arms fire, had a healing factor and was a bloody weĺl trained H2H combatant.

The DC imprint goes down hard Originally posted by beatboks
The yank in the spidey scan looks more like a sherman that weigh in at 30 to 34 tons.

Apples for apples i think spiderman will win here

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly. One is a clean press overhead, the other is propped up and leaning against you, ASSUMING the tanks are like their real world counterparts.

My point was the tank lifted by Spidey weighs arou d 30 to 34 tons. The one shield lifted weighs around 60. Even if the actual artwork didnt depict the different tanks the time of both scans supports that. The spidey scan based on the artwork was late 70's early 80's. While the shield one is 2000's. Tanks today weigh a lot more than the late 70's.

It doesnt matter because Spidey should win. He has the speed and agility advantage. Plus experie ce. He wouldn't have those advantages against the MLJ Shield who has decades of in canon experience. Is a master combatant, and matches him in speed and agility while still having the strength and durability advantage.

Vs DC imprint Shie, d Spidey takes 7/10
Vs MLJ classic Shiled takes 5.5 or 6/10

Just curious but are Imprint Shield's decades of experience in print or backstory?

Originally posted by riv6672
Just curious but are Imprint Shield's decades of experience in print or backstory?
Imprint only has a few months experience.

MLJ (ARCHIE ) is the one with decades under the belt

In print, and in back story) He was a golden age character first publeshed 14months prior to Captain america (jan 1940, cap was march 41). His title in the GA went for 51 issues (till Jan 1948). So he was actually one of the longest lasting GA characters in print. Only Superman, Womderwoman, Batman, Aquaman and Green Arrow lasted past that point (Flah and Green Lantern lasted about this long along with Spy Smasher and another MLJ character Black Hood)

He still featured In occasional archie comics (what MLJ is best known for along with Sabrina the teenage witch) after the GA until the Silver age (as he still is today).

He was revived in the silver age though along with other heroes like the Comet, and Black Hood. BH was the nephew of the original. Comet was away from earth and kept young by his space travel. Shield at first was the new shield III (Lancelot strong) then the son of the original (shield II) then the original returned.

Another revival in the 80's with the archie adventure series.

A few years ago MLJ has revived again with a purely on line comic. Shield is the only original mighty Crusader still alive and active in it. He is now depicted as aged quite a bit. Almost all the othe mighty crusaders were killed by their arch enemy the Brain Emeror on revival and the Shield is teaching their kids (the new Crusaders) to replace them. The only other Crusader not killed was Black Hood II whos serving a prison sentance because unlike his uncle he was always MLJ's answer to the Punisher (no qualms about killing the bad guys at all).

Basically the guy in back story has been active in adventuring from 1940 till 2015. In fact with the last revival he was the only Crusader still active (working for the government) while the others ahd long retired and been forgotten. Their kids never even heard of any of them except the Shield.