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*Vader as of Rebels/Films

*Tony Stark as of Age of Ultron (Most current suit, Non Hulkbuster)

Fight takes place in a Military Hangar

Iron Man wrecks him.

Force choke

Iron man goes down hard.

Force choke or force crush for the win.

Originally posted by playa1258
Force choke or force crush for the win.

Show where he can force crush a human or he can't :zaru

Force choke. Tony has no defense against that. Vader wins.

So does the force choke work through armor? Unless backed by feats I'm not buying it.

It works through Stardestroyers...

Vader was able to choke a guy from kilometers away through a viewscreen. It's obvious it can bypass the armor.

Since when has armor been a defense for telekinesis?

Lol. kilometers? Wasnt that guy in a whole nother starship? He could have been lightyears away. All we know is that there is no distance, if Vader can see you, he can choke you. And Iron Mans suit is no different in a troopers in that regard. But to play the other side, Tony can easily make him drop that choke by shooting at him while hes choking him.

In the now canon comics he choked a guy through a intercom. Just another way it can be used.

The force choke also worked fine through the armour of the mandalorians and the clone troopers, not as advanced I know, but still it worked through their armour.

Vader shouldn't have any problem choking Tony through his suit, but then the people he generally chokes aren't highly intelligent superheroes in advanced armour, with flight, on board AI, targeting and scanning systems, and an enormous arsenal of weapons. So I am still on the fence here. Vader could choke him, but Tony only needs to survive a second or two to trigger one of his weapons. Just need to push Vader into defending himself instead of maintaining the Force choke. This environment suits Vader a bit more though. If it was out in the open, Tony could just go sky high and blast the whole area to bits, but here he can't really resort to those tactics. I'd give Vader a majority but I think Tony could potentially pull a few wins here.

plus in close quarters Vader can deflect Tonys repulser blasts with his lightsaber and cut through the armour as well with it.

Originally posted by playa1258
Force choke or force crush for the win.


Laughable.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Vader shouldn't have any problem choking Tony through his suit, but then the people he generally chokes aren't highly intelligent superheroes in advanced armour, with flight, on board AI, targeting and scanning systems, and an enormous arsenal of weapons. So I am still on the fence here. Vader could choke him, but Tony only needs to survive a second or two to trigger one of his weapons. Just need to push Vader into defending himself instead of maintaining the Force choke. This environment suits Vader a bit more though. If it was out in the open, Tony could just go sky high and blast the whole area to bits, but here he can't really resort to those tactics. I'd give Vader a majority but I think Tony could potentially pull a few wins here.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Tony shoots him right after. It's a very slow tactic anyways.

Vader catches tony's blast hith his right hand and chokes him eith his left.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Vader catches tony's blast hith his right hand and chokes him eith his left. He does not shoot tiny blaster boots like Han. He'd end Vader pretty quickly. Fl did.

He shoots tiny blaster bolts like han. In fact, i'd wager they're weaker.

Can Vader multitask with the Force. Maintain the choke while avoiding Iron Man's arsenal?

He pulled han's gun while catching the shots.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He shoots tiny blaster bolts like han. In fact, i'd wager they're weaker. So hurting superhuman beings who can tank a lot more than force users and has been shown to be a lot more powerful. You are factually incorrect. Ironman's power makes Han's look pathetic in direct comparison.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He pulled han's gun while catching the shots. He raised his hand and they hit him. Han proved more than quick enough to connect before Vader could react. Vader was also ready. He's no Kylo Ren.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Can Vader multitask with the Force. Maintain the choke while avoiding Iron Man's arsenal?

Doubt he can do that with IM's level of firepower.

Vader can freeze Tony's weapons in mid air, then apply the force choke.

Originally posted by playa1258
Vader can freeze Tony's weapons in mid air, then apply the force choke.

Freeze his repulsor blasts and mini missiles in air? I must be missing something because I don't recall him showcasing that much power.

Kylo was able to do it, but that was one bolt and we don't know how powerful that bolt compared to Tony's weapons.

Force choke ftw.. lightsaber slash ftw.....

Vader can block anything Stark does... Stark on the other hand has ZERO DEFENSE AGAINST BEING CHOKED OUT OR AGAINST THE LIGHTSABER

Perhaps movie Iron Man has a chance to lose. Comic IM in a stomp, like almost any other big comic character.

Originally posted by playa1258
Kylo was able to do it, but that was one bolt and we don't know how powerful that bolt compared to Tony's weapons. Vader isn't Kylo, boy.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Force choke ftw.. lightsaber slash ftw.....

Vader can block anything Stark does... Stark on the other hand has ZERO DEFENSE AGAINST BEING CHOKED OUT OR AGAINST THE LIGHTSABER Ignorance and sheer insanity. Fl killed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does not shoot tiny blaster boots like Han. He'd end Vader pretty quickly. Fl did.

Whiplash blocked Tony's repulsor rays in IM 2.

Safe to say Vader could do that, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Whiplash blocked Tony's repulsor rays in IM 2.

Safe to say Vader could do that, too. Why because he blocked Han's blaster ? Did Vader block that fl ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader isn't Kylo, boy. Vader is better than Kylo in every way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tony shoots him right after. It's a very slow tactic anyways.

But it doesn't have to be slow though. Vader slowly chokes them to death to make them suffer. We've seen his TK is strong enough to easily crush metal. So there is no reason he couldn't just apply the full pressure of his TK to Iron Man's windpipe, he doesn't have to slowly choke him out.

With that said I think this comes down to whoever gets off their power first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader isn't Kylo, boy.

Kylo wants to one day grow up to be as big and strong as granddaddy vader. So no, vader and kylo are on completely different levels.

Originally posted by playa1258
Vader is better than Kylo in every way. Iyo not mine. Kylo is definitely more evil than Vader.

Because he needed daddy's help to finally pull the trigger?

Originally posted by Surtur
But it doesn't have to be slow though. Vader slowly chokes them to death to make them suffer. We've seen his TK is strong enough to easily crush metal. So there is no reason he couldn't just apply the full pressure of his TK to Iron Man's windpipe, he doesn't have to slowly choke him out.

With that said I think this comes down to whoever gets off their power first. If you don't have any evidence you're just making it up. It's out of character. It isn't you as Vader it is what the character is likely to do with their powers. This isn't cbr.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iyo not mine. Kylo is definitely more evil than Vader.

Vader murdered children and only turned on the Emperor not because he realized he was a bad guy, but because he was specifically attacking someone close to him.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Kylo wants to one day grow up to be as big and strong as granddaddy vader. So no, vader and kylo are on completely different levels. He has a chip on is shoulder but he wants to finish Vader's mission. He died as Anakin because he was too weak to remain in the dark side.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you don't have any evidence you're just making it up. It's out of character. It isn't you as Vader it is what the character is likely to do with their powers. This isn't cbr.

But we do have evidence. We have seen him crush metal. We have seen him use TK to target specific parts of the body. Therefore there would be nothing stopping him from applying full force to the windpipe of someone.

Also if you really want to play this silly game then you should be replying to every single person saying "force choke ftw!" since the guy doesn't tend to begin a fight with force choke.

Originally posted by Surtur
Vader murdered children and only turned on the Emperor not because he realized he was a bad guy, but because he was specifically attacking someone close to him. Due to there being light inside him. Luke felt it. Kylokilled his own father. He surpassed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to there being light inside him. Luke felt it. Kylokilled his own father. He surpassed him.

Doing that isn't actually worse then killing innocent children. When it comes to evil acts Vader has done worse on screen.

Originally posted by Surtur
But we do have evidence. We have seen him crush metal. We have seen him use TK to target specific parts of the body. Therefore there would be nothing stopping him from applying full force to the windpipe of someone.

Also if you really want to play this silly game then you should be replying to every single person saying "force choke ftw!" since the guy doesn't tend to begin a fight with force choke. We have seen Dooku crush the environment so why didn't he crush Yoda ? We know they can force choke each other. We see Dooku force choke Kenobi and he wanted to kill him so why not kill him instantly.

It's a silly time taking tactic. It's funny to see how biased posters are for weak Vader.

Originally posted by Surtur
Doing that isn't actually worse then killing innocent children. When it comes to evil acts Vader has done worse on screen. Yes, it is. We see Vader couldn't kill his own son but he could kill kids. Your opinion doesn't matter as Vader clearly couldn't kill his own son. That was more evil to him and something he couldn't do. Game, set, match.

Vader does tend to lead with the force choke. Padme, moffs, three seperate admirals. If vader wants you dead, he chokes you. If he just wants to play around, its the saber.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have seen Dooku crush the environment so why didn't he crush Yoda ? We know they can force choke each other. We see Dooku force choke Kenobi and he wanted to kill him so why not kill him instantly.

It's a silly time taking tactic. It's funny to see how biased posters are for weak Vader.

Yoda was a force user of equal or greater power. You also seem to equate bad writing with..what? You haven't actually given a reason why Vader couldn't apply enough force to crush a normal humans windpipe quickly.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Vader does tend to lead with the force choke. Padme, moffs, three seperate admirals. If vader wants you dead, he chokes you. If he just wants to play around, its the saber.

So just to be clear he was battling Padme? And those other officers he force choked? If he was in a fight with them and lead with that then what you just said would have more merit.

He uses force choke to punish. He punished Padme for bringing Obi Wan, he punished people for failing him. That is a far cry from "Vader will instantly use force choke in a battle".

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Vader does tend to lead with the force choke. Padme, moffs, three seperate admirals. If vader wants you dead, he chokes you. If he just wants to play around, its the saber. He didn't want Padme dead. None of those were examples of battles with warriors.

Half of them weren't even in the same room or could defend themselves either.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yoda was a force user of equal or greater power. You also seem to equate bad writing with..what? You haven't actually given a reason why Vader couldn't apply enough force to crush a normal humans windpipe quickly. Dooku force choked Kenobi and he's greater in the force than Kenobi. I have you. You making shit up isn't debating. You don't get to make shit up. We see Dooku admit he's got greater force powers and fail to insta kill Kenobi. Saying something is bad writing is ignoring the facts with your biased opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is. We see Vader couldn't kill his own son but he could kill kids. Your opinion doesn't matter as Vader clearly couldn't kill his own son. That was more evil to him and something he couldn't do. Game, set, match.
Dude! Let me paraphrase vader and the emperor's conversation as you missed the whole point.
"vader, the blonde kids your son."
"LETS KILL HIM!"
"No bro, lets turn him evil."
"K'. You da boss"

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is. We see Vader couldn't kill his own son but he could kill kids. Your opinion doesn't matter as Vader clearly couldn't kill his own son. That was more evil to him and something he couldn't do. Game, set, match.

Your logic just doesn't make sense though. Killing innocent kids is pretty messed up. The fact Vader couldn't kill his own child shows..what? Why do people always act like being evil=being emotionless. So whenever an evil person protects a person close to them it suddenly means they are partly good. Evil people love their kids too.

Also keep in mind Palpatine had just encouraged Luke to kill Vader. Vader also planned to turn his son evil and rule the galaxy with him.

Originally posted by Surtur
Your logic just doesn't make sense though. Killing innocent kids is pretty messed up. The fact Vader couldn't kill his own child shows..what? Why do people always act like being evil=being emotionless. So whenever an evil person protects a person close to them it suddenly means they are partly good. Evil people love their kids too. He couldn't kill a family member. He went back to the light. The kids weren't his own kids. He also felt the Jedi were against him and agreed they should be slaughtered. He went back to the light and as a Jedi. That isn't evil, sport.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Dude! Let me paraphrase vader and the emperor's conversation as you missed the whole point.
"vader, the blonde kids your son."
"LETS KILL HIM!"
"No bro, lets turn him evil."
"K'. You da boss" And when the time came the emperor was killed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He couldn't kill a family member. He went back to the light. The kids weren't his own kids. He also felt the Jedi were against him and agreed they should be slaughtered. He went back to the light and as a Jedi. That isn't evil, sport.

You keep defending this with "they weren't his own kids". Uh that shouldn't matter. Yes, he isn't a complete dick and didn't like seeing his own child tortured by the guy he had..willingly decided to bring Luke to in the first place.

I'm not saying he didn't have a smidge of good, just that his evil acts were worse. Killing family isn't always the worst thing you can possibly do, the murder of many children is worse to me.

Five bucks says kylo returns to the light by the end of the sreies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And when the time came the emperor was killed.


Only because he chose to slowly torture the kid in front of him. All the while being able to sense emotions and yet not sensing the turmoil in Vader Luke did..despite sensing Vader was in danger lightyears away in the past.

If Palpatine just straight up sliced Luke's head off with a lightsaber what do you feel Vader would of done?

Originally posted by Surtur
Only because he chose to slowly torture the kid in front of him. All the while being able to sense emotions and yet not sensing the turmoil in Vader Luke did..despite sensing Vader was in danger lightyears away in the past.

If Palpatine just straight up sliced Luke's head off with a lightsaber what do you feel Vader would of done? Prior to he tried talking Luke into killing the emperor. All we have are the facts. He chose Luke and the light in the end.


Speculation. We only know what did occur.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And when the time came the emperor was killed.

He didn't fail to kill luke. He had orders not to. All sith look for a chance to kill their master. That is literally how the darkside works. Was plagous' aprentice a good guy for killing him. Also evil=/= power. Even if vader was the most saintly man in the galaxy, he is still stronger than kylo and iron man.

Originally posted by Surtur
You keep defending this with "they weren't his own kids". Uh that shouldn't matter. Yes, he isn't a complete dick and didn't like seeing his own child tortured by the guy he had..willingly decided to bring Luke to in the first place.

I'm not saying he didn't have a smidge of good, just that his evil acts were worse. Killing family isn't always the worst thing you can possibly do, the murder of many children is worse to me. That shouldn't matter according to you but that clearly mattered to him. That's your opinion not Vader's.

Luke failed to bring Kylo to the light as did his own father. Kylo surpassed him in evil.


You're also ignoring the Jedi were the enemy to Anakin. He agreed they all needed to be put down. He didn't go right at Kenobi either in spite of him believing he was against him as was his own wife. The reason is because it's harder to kill someone you're closed to than people you aren't and in a war time situation.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He didn't fail to kill luke. He had orders not to. All sith look for a chance to kill their master. That is literally how the darkside works. Was plagous' aprentice a good guy for killing him. Also evil=/= power. Even if vader was the most saintly man in the galaxy, he is still stronger than kylo and iron man.

Iyo. Luke brought him back to the light. He appeared as a Jedi force ghost. He ended redeemed. Undeniable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prior to he tried talking Luke into killing the emperor. All we have are the facts. He chose Luke and the light in the end.


Speculation. We only know what did occur.

He wanted Luke to kill the Emperor, but not because the Emperor was an evil guy..it was because Vader wanted him and Luke to replace him. He flat out says this to Luke at one point.

He chose light in the end, but he committed acts more evil then anything you described Ren doing. People tend to think Vader only turned evil because of Padme, but that wasn't 100% the reason. He had a lust for power as well.

No. Sidious ordered him to the temple abd then ordered him to mastafar. He wasn't evading kenobi. Besides, obi wan faked his death. There was no reason to go after him

Originally posted by Surtur
He wanted Luke to kill the Emperor, but not because the Emperor was an evil guy..it was because Vader wanted him and Luke to replace him. He flat out says this to Luke at one point.

He chose light in the end, but he committed acts more evil then anything you described Ren doing. People tend to think Vader only turned evil because of Padme, but that wasn't 100% the reason. He had a lust for power as well. Yes, so he wasn't against the idea of choosing his own son over the emelrir even as far back as ESB.

False. Your opinion doesn't override Vader's which is what matters. You don't get to define evil for others. Vader was tricked and deceived due to his fear of loss. It stemmed back to the loss of his mother. He was weak. Even weaker that he let himself get redeemed in the end.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
No. Sidious ordered him to the temple abd then ordered him to mastafar. He wasn't evading kenobi. Besides, obi wan faked his death. There was no reason to go after him He didn't go at Kenobi right away., Anakin felt he was the enemy and stated an absolute. Kenobi knew he was lost and said he'd defend himself. They failed to kill Kenobi. He didn't fake shit. Sidious said they had to kill every single Jedi. Ffs watch the film.

What does vader's evilness have to do with anything. He's stronger than iron man and kylo combined.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
What does vader's evilness have to do with anything. He's stronger than iron man and kylo combined. Just making a point.

Kylo has far greater reflexes.

Nope. Almost lost to a stormtrooper.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Nope. Almost lost to a stormtrooper. When did Kylo fight a stormtrooper ? Some of them even ran away if they heard he was in the midst of a rage.

Did you see the movie?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Did you see the movie? He hurt a stormtrooper. Kylo never almost lost to a stormtrooper. They were scared shitless of him.

Finn lost to a stormtrooper. Kylo wrecked Finn despite a serious injury.

And finn injured him dedpite losing to a stormtrooper. I feel as though we've had this conversation before.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
And finn injured him dedpite losing to a stormtrooper. I feel as though we've had this conversation before. Kylo was injured and clearly toying with him. Kylo handily won.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Five bucks says kylo returns to the light by the end of the sreies.

if they had the balls they would keep him evil and have him die for his sins, change the story up at least a little bit

Originally posted by relentless1
if they had the balls they would keep him evil and have him die for his sins, change the story up at least a little bit It isn't decided yet how the trilogy ends. I hope he doesn't redeem himself as well.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Five bucks says kylo returns to the light by the end of the sreies.

I actually read a few rumours around the web that this might actually be the case. I really hope it isn't though. Kylo should turn full Dark instead of literally just doing a complete Vader, redemption and all.

Originally posted by relentless1
if they had the balls they would keep him evil and have him die for his sins, change the story up at least a little bit

Hoping for this. As mentioned above, Vader already did the Dark to Light redemption thing. They should have Kylo come back even darker after his next training with Snoke.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Five bucks says kylo returns to the light by the end of the sreies.


I believe that will happen

I wonder if it'd take all three of them to take down Snoke (Luke, Finn, Rey)

Originally posted by carthage
I wonder if it'd take all three of them to take down Snoke (Luke, Finn, Rey)



More likely Snoke and Ren will team up to kill Luke.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
More likely Snoke and Ren will team up to kill Luke. You fear Snoke. I can tell.