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Wonder Woman's remarkably high-level performance in the DCnU reminds me of Black Adam's in the pre Flashpoint one.

I've changed my opinion a few times on this match as far as pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman was concerned, so I'm curious to see opinions on the current version.

http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Wonder-Woman-New-52-640x303.jpg

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Dwayne-Johnson-Shazam-Black-Adam-Movie.jpg



No God of War.
Also, no using the lasso to turn Black Adam back.

Good fight. Black Adam would probably be tied up by the end of it.

At standard power levels with standard gear, WW wins (pre or post Flashpoint makes no difference).

Adam beats diana and flies off. When she wakes up, she gets pissed off that she lost, goes home, and takes out her frustrations on superman by beating him to death. She then gets arrested and goes to jail.

baka

Originally posted by deathslash
Adam beats diana and flies off. When she wakes up, she gets pissed off that she lost, goes home, and takes out her frustrations on superman by beating him to death. She then gets arrested and goes to jail.

Did someone with a Superman costume touched you the wrong way as a child?

LOL. This crap again? He kills her. WW pre-reboot was damn good but she wasn't in Adam's league. He could probably break her in half if he wanted too just as Superman could and she couldn't do shit to stop it. End of story.


RIP Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. This crap again? He kills her. WW pre-reboot was damn good but she wasn't in Adam's league. He could probably break her in half if he wanted too just as Superman could and she couldn't do shit to stop it. End of story.


RIP Wonder Woman.



Hold on. I just realized this is WW AFTER the reboot. She might win in that case or at least make a fight out of it considering some of the stuff I've heard about this version.

Originally posted by Star428
just as Superman could and she couldn't do shit to stop it. End of story.
There's your problem right there. You are assuming BA is in Superman's league. He isn't. Like Diana, he's a full tier below him.

Superman = Elite High Herald
Wonderwoman (standard gear) = Elite Mid Herald
BA or CM = Mid Herald

Superman >> WW > BA.

Originally posted by SquallX
Did someone with a Superman costume touched you the wrong way as a child?

Yawn....some people see Superman for the shit character he really is.

Originally posted by zopzop
There's your problem right there. You are assuming BA is in Superman's league. He isn't. Like Diana, he's a full tier below him.

Superman = Elite High Herald
Wonderwoman (standard gear) = Elite Mid Herald
BA or CM = Mid Herald

Superman >> WW > BA.

Not sure I'd say he is a tier about CM.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yawn....some people see Superman for the shit character he really is.

Kind of like how we see you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
baka Originally posted by SquallX
Did someone with a Superman costume touched you the wrong way as a child?
What? You guys really think that it isn't possible? Just this week he got left in the kitchen to cook dinner for her. Do guys really think that we're that far away from seeing him getting beaten?

Originally posted by deathslash
What? You guys really think that it isn't possible? Just this week he got left in the kitchen to cook dinner for her. Do guys really think that we're that far away from seeing him getting beaten?

He's in denial. A couple of years ago I said that all things considered, WW was only being held below SM because of pure sexism. On paper, she has every reason to be above him. Maybe D.C. realized they backed themselves into a corner.

Much like your denial

I'd really like to see an honest debate about this fight

WW imo, she's skilled as phuck and really fast/strong. Also, we've been shown time and time again that this Diana can take on and beat Superman's villains pretty consistently(Doomsday non-withstanding).

Adam is good and all but with standard gear Diana takes this solidly.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WW imo, she's skilled as phuck and really fast/strong. Also, we've been shown time and time again that this Diana can take on and beat Superman's villains pretty consistently(Doomsday non-withstanding).

Adam is good and all but with standard gear Diana takes this solidly.

Yep. Current Diana is easily High Herald. She trashing high Heralds.

Wonder Woman vs Darkseid.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wonder-woman-and-aquaman-blinds-darkseid-11.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wonder-woman-and-aquaman-blinds-darkseid-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wonder-woman-and-aquaman-blinds-darkseid-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wonder-woman-and-aquaman-blinds-darkseid-4.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wonder-woman-and-aquaman-blinds-darkseid-5.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
What? You guys really think that it isn't possible? Just this week he got left in the kitchen to cook dinner for her. Do guys really think that we're that far away from seeing him getting beaten?
You are getting stilt level now. Originally posted by carver9
Yep. Current Diana is easily High Herald. She trashing high Heralds.
What high heralds did she "trash" carter?

Carver has drafted a high herald. Phuck him

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are getting stilt level now.
What high heralds did she "trash" carter?

You already know which Heralds she has trashed.

Originally posted by carver9
You already know which Heralds she has trashed.
Do I? Name them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do I? Name them.

https://36.media.tumblr.com/93402c5c4143e10917a3877d5e6d4ad8/tumblr_ne4krluL2D1qhococo1_500.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111163773/4051588-2890302-2013_02_20_08_36_44___supergirl_17_013.jpg

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_small/4051549-3992863-wonder%2Bwoman%2Bgodmode.png

Originally posted by One-Punch
God of Strength vs. Wonder Woman

http://s28.postimg.org/szr4j78jt/Justice_League_2011_047_008.jpg http://s28.postimg.org/wn6vp9gqx/Justice_League_2011_047_009.jpg http://s28.postimg.org/5dviarfnt/Justice_League_2011_047_010.jpg http://s28.postimg.org/dyou1xpu1/Justice_League_2011_047_018.jpg http://s28.postimg.org/vq0gge58p/Justice_League_2011_047_019.jpg http://s28.postimg.org/3r6apj3m1/Justice_League_2011_047_020.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
https://36.media.tumblr.com/93402c5c4143e10917a3877d5e6d4ad8/tumblr_ne4krluL2D1qhococo1_500.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111163773/4051588-2890302-2013_02_20_08_36_44___supergirl_17_013.jpg

http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_small/4051549-3992863-wonder%2Bwoman%2Bgodmode.png
None of those are high heralds. Mongul was beating her straight up to the point Ghost Soldier has to teleport her away. It's an off panel fight where there is nothing shown.

Supergirl depowered herself.

Why is surprising a weakened Superdoom "trashing"? Originally posted by carver9

Go home Carver. This is just pathetic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
None of those are high heralds. Mongul was beating her straight up to the point Ghost Soldier has to teleport her away. It's an off panel fight where there is nothing shown.

Supergirl depowered herself.

Why is surprising a weakened Superdoom "trashing"?
Go home Carver. This is just pathetic.

Mongul hit her one time. Diana subdued him in the scan I've posted. Obvious what happened.

Supergirl used her solar flare, same attack Superman use in combat and got koed afterwards. Supergirl or Superman using their signature move doesn't take away from them getting beaten. Worder woman beat her bro. Deal with it.

Super Doom got subdued and carried to space with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul hit her one time. Diana subdued him in the scan I've posted. Obvious what happened.

Supergirl used her solar flare, same attack Superman use in combat and got koed afterwards. Supergirl or Superman using their signature move doesn't take away from them getting beaten. Worder woman beat her bro. Deal with it.

Super Doom got subdued and carried to space with ease.
Yes and she thanked Ghost Soldier for saving them. It certainly didn't look like she could beat him one on one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mongul................faster than Wonder Woman?

http://i.imgur.com/5GFFy0z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JL4ELXN.jpg

This was just for lulz.

http://i.imgur.com/MgLpEgS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WexpUxU.jpg

Yes, she did. Good durability feat for Diana but it doesn't means anything in a straight up fight which was a stalemate. Superboy did better than her.

She didn't do shit against Superdoom. He was literally not struggling against her.

These are your Herald busting feats?

What some people don't realise, is that some of those feats are inadmissible - because they were done under Diana as the God of War. Which the OP has specifically banned.

http://s5.postimg.org/v6iudqmc7/Wonder_Woman_047_2016_Digital_Empire_022.jpg

Even WITH the bracers on, she is now stronger and faster than before - as confirmed by Cheetah. Who still runs rings around her. If Diana is thrashing High Heralds, Cheetah for Skyfather?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What some people don't realise, is that some of those feats are inadmissible - because they were done under Diana as the God of War. Which the OP has specifically banned.

Even WITH the bracers on, she is now stronger and faster than before - as confirmed by Cheetah. Who still runs rings around her. If Diana is thrashing High Heralds, Cheetah for Skyfather?

I don't get why Wonder Woman fans are happy it's confirmed that she's amped as God of War, especially since:

a). It won't hold indefinitely.
b). It's been happening for quite a bit of her New 52 history.

Basically, anything not involving the lasso/sword/weapons is nullified for future debates, once it all goes back to normal.

That applies to everything that happened in the 'Doomed' arc, too. Her showing against Mongul? Against the kryptonian? Good for the lasso. As far as the rest? Doesn't say anything.

I don't see why she wouldn't keep the god of war upgrade, it's been part of her character for quite a while now.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I don't see why she wouldn't keep the god of war upgrade, it's been part of her character for quite a while now. I take it you're new to comics.

For a start, Ares is back.

Yeah, it's naive to say that she'll stay the God of War for much longer.

I bet Adam Grimes is the type of reader who gets excited each of the 60 times in the last 5 years DC/Marvel said "this will change everything/you can't miss this/shock of th e century".

I'm just realising how many of Wonde Woman's comics have been retconned due to her being stated as being stronger/faster as God of War.

Her showings against Zod/Faora? Null.
Also, Doomsday has beaten the shit out of Wonder Woman with God of War upgrade.
etc.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Maybe I've not been keeping up with the N52 and was just giving my opinion. You just said:
"I don't see why she wouldn't keep the god of war upgrade, it's been part of her character for quite a while now. "

That means you're talking about something you haven't even kept up with.



Yes, you're exactly the type of dude I described.

This is not about supporting one, or the other, it's about acknowledging how the comic universe works, and why the current circumstances are not favorable for Wonder Woman.

But hey, keep picking imaginary persecution, dude.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
How can you be excited about something and not keep up with it? I know, right? It must be hard trying to give an opinion, when you have no clue what you're talking about.

Get out. Let the ones who actually read comics talk.

Carver and Abhi, take it to PMs.

Philo, what do you mean about this god of war thing? I haven't been keeping up with everything, so I'm admittedly a bit behind. You're saying she's been the god of war this entire time?

Also, stop being a dick.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, stop being a dick.

Ok.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Philo, what do you mean about this god of war thing? I haven't been keeping up with everything, so I'm admittedly a bit behind. You're saying she's been the god of war this entire time? She killed Ares in Wonder Woman #23, to stop the First Born from killing him, thus becoming the new God of War. As the new God of War, it's been confirmed recently that she's stronger/faster

Now...that happened in 2013. Before Superman/Wonder Woman series was even out. Before the Doomed arc in Superman. Before....a lot of stuff. And she's been amped all this time.

Making almost everything since then problematic for future debates, since she'll inevitably not be the God of War for much longer.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I don't see why she wouldn't keep the god of war upgrade, it's been part of her character for quite a while now.

Yep and Darksaint made a point, lol, Cheetah probably is extremely powerful since she did one panel/blitz Superman and also blitzed Flash afterwards. Wonder Woman beating her, even putting up a fight speaks volumes.

You say a long time....but WW #47 has just come out.

So she's had it for 24 issues of her own title, hardly long term.

She's stronger and faster than before, even WITH bracers on. She, just by being on Paradise Island, was channeling her GoW powers to the point that the Amazons were all being driven to conflict.

WW never beat her, btw. Carver really should stop relying on single scans and actually read comics.

She left WW in her dust, and was beaten only by her own rejection of the Eye of Antiope.

Prior to that, she was running rings around WW.

But of course, this means she's Skyfather level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You say a long time....but WW #47 has just come out.

So she's had it for 24 issues of her own title, hardly long term. Well, that's two years of publications. And the reboot is what, 4 years old?

Cheetah is Thanos level btw.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


She's stronger and faster than before, even WITH bracers on. She, just by being on Paradise Island, was channeling her GoW powers to the point that the Amazons were all being driven to conflict.

WW never beat her, btw. Carver really should stop relying on single scans and actually read comics.

She left WW in her dust, and was beaten only by her own rejection of the Eye of Antiope.

Prior to that, she was running rings around WW.

But of course, this means she's Skyfather level. Cheetah got pwned by Aquaman.

More proof Aq is a peer of Wonder Woman prior to her GW upgrade... shifty

Tbf, all part of Cheetah's cunning plan.

A better example is Steve Trevor OHKOing her, when she had the lasso.

IOW, Steve Trevor = Abstract.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/15776/3830952-cheetah488.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, all part of Cheetah's cunning plan.

A better example is Steve Trevor OHKOing her And I thought I was sneaky.

Ha. Some people just need to be handed a golden lasso, whereupon they then hang themselves.

Yeah, she wouldn't be GOW much longer as its noted that the power she is contained is slowly killing her. I suspect that she will get it removed in issue 50 or something.

Cheetah didn't get pawned by Aquaman. It was a planned attack and he grabbed her off guard under water (then WW assisted him afterwards). She blitzed and took out Superman and was too fast for Flash and took him out and Wonder Woman still beat her. Using Darksaint logic, Wonder Woman is an abstract level.

Originally posted by carver9
Cheetah didn't get pawned by Aquaman. It was a planned attack and he grabbed her off guard under water (then WW assisted him afterwards). She blitzed and took out Superman and was too fast for Flash and took him out and Wonder Woman still beat her. Using Darksaint logic, Wonder Woman is an abstract level.

My logic?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep. Current Diana is easily High Herald. She trashing high Heralds.

Steve Trevor is thrashing abstracts. He is easily abstract.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep and Darksaint made a point, lol, Cheetah probably is extremely powerful since she did one panel/blitz Superman and also blitzed Flash afterwards. Wonder Woman beating her, even putting up a fight speaks volumes.

Go Steve!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/15776/3830952-cheetah488.jpg

Steve taking off his shirt is the equivalent of Wonder Woman taking off her bracers.

I can't remember the scene off hand but didn't Steve punch a tied up Cheetah and it still doesn't take away from the fact that Cheetah blitzed and defeated both Superman and Flash whereas Wonder Woman owned Cheetah. With that said Steve (with assistance from Wonder Woman) is>>>> Superman and Flash combined and Wonder Woman is approaching abstract levels per Saint logic. Even on ignore, he amazes me and is always there to help.

Haha. The problem with having me on ignore, is that carver can't see that I'm using his own quotes against him.

Originally posted by carver9
I can't remember the scene off hand but didn't Steve punch a tied up Cheetah and it still doesn't take away from the fact that Cheetah blitzed and defeated both Superman and Flash whereas Wonder Woman owned Cheetah. With that said Steve (with assistance from Wonder Woman) is>>>> Superman and Flash combined and Wonder Woman is approaching abstract levels per Saint logic. Even on ignore, he amazes me and is always there to help.

rip phil

He's still alive and lurks. We just laugh at the forum.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's still alive and lurks. We just laugh at the forum.

are you his guardian angel

WW is much more skilled and faster in combat (especially reactions). She has a sword that can end the fight fast (unfair imo).

WW 9/10