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last force user standing is....

Obviously the Imperial Knights. They have literally all the KoR's strengths, plus many of their own, and most likely greater number.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obviously the Imperial Knights. They have literally all the KoR's strengths, plus many of their own, and most likely greater number.

Ren were able to slaughter all of Luke's Jedi, possibly with Luke also fighting.

I doubt IK could duplicate that feat. no IK, not antares draco not ganner kreig could stop a laser bolt in mid air and hold it there for some time. Kylo could probably solo them

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obviously the Imperial Knights.

Originally posted by redpill
Ren were able to slaughter all of Luke's Jedi, possibly with Luke also fighting.

It is.... *very* unlikely that Luke was there.



Antares Draco has killed 7 fully trained sith dogpiling him, after taking down 2 sith shortly before, after killing a Sith Guard to a high-priority prisoner not that long before that. Taking on quantities of foes is... not unusual for an IK. Those are all fully trained adult force users, not students.

Plus there's Roan Fel who's, well, a Skywalker/Solo Master forceuser with way more experience than Kylo.

Now, we don't know how many students Luke had, the levels of training they had (whether they all were at the same level of training or whether Kylo was one of the most senior), whether anyone were close to Kylo Ren in force potential (did he have rivals, or blow them all out of the water?), we don't know how Kylo took them down, whether he fought them one or two at a time or as a group, or even whether they were armed.

I'd think, any of the known IKs could do that. Quite probably the no-names too.


The Imperial Knights are a small order that keeps people in training much longer than the Jedi (i.e. everyone we know who's been granted the right to use the name Imperial Knight is in their 20s, as are most of the trainees. The Legacy Campaign Guide says they simply stay in training until they reach the proper level, no matter how long that takes. They do sometimes allow trainees into the field to gain experience too), and who promote based on combat power. They've been shown to be, in general, superior to a random Sith or Jedi, and their named badasses are of similar level to sith and jedi named badasses.




No IK has that ability specifically (and nor does any Jedi or Sith we know for that matter, even ones that we know could stomp Kylo), but plenty of them have force shield and similar powers.

And... noooo, there is no way that Kylo Ren is soloing 60 Imperial Knights (not counting prospective knights, who are not including in the number. In the IK, you are not considered an Imperial Knight until you reach something fairly close to Jedi Master level, from what we've seen- even junior Imperial Knights Jao Assim and Marasiah Fel proved to be quite capable in combat- Marasiah before her formal knighting even).



At the end of Legacy 2, the Imperial Knights defeated several hundred Sith in open combat (with some Stormtrooper support, but most of the fighting was done by the Imperial Knights).

The Knights of Ren are of unknown number, but even their leader has incomplete training and isn't used to fighting other force users (because there aren't exactly a lot to fight), while every single Imperial Knight has fought against Sith and engaged in group force user vs force user combat, without exception.

So, more than likely we're talking a force smaller than the IK, and of inferior training to the Sith, against a force experienced at killing darksiders.

Seriously, the KoR have no advantage over the Imperial Knights. Like at all.

Another advantage: Equipment.

Every full Imperial Knight is equipped with cortosis forearm guards that deactivate lightsabers. Meaning some of the Knights of Ren will find their sabers deactivating on them- either because they thought they had a disarm shot, or because an IK used them on purpose.

Originally posted by Q99
Another advantage: Equipment.

Every full Imperial Knight is equipped with cortosis forearm guards that deactivate lightsabers. Meaning some of the Knights of Ren will find their sabers deactivating on them- either because they thought they had a disarm shot, or because an IK used them on purpose. is cortosis still canon ?

Yup.

Probably the Imperial Knights, Kylo Ren seems the only one who even has a lightsaber.

Originally posted by redpill
is cortosis still canon ?


It was in A New Dawn. I don't think the lightsaber-deactivating effect has been shown... but regardless, the IKs, being Legends, have it

how quickly people forget - krayt and his circle had no problem wiping out hundreds of IK before killing not-fel

There aren't even "hundreds" of Imperial Knights, and lol @ comparing Kylo and the Knights of Ren to Darth Krayt and the One Sith.

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Originally posted by redpill
how quickly people forget - krayt and his circle had no problem wiping out hundreds of IK before killing not-fel


Uh, Krayt killed precisely 4 Imperial Knights. Including Morghan Fel, the Emperor's personal bodyguard, but those were the only ones (not counting Draco and Roan, who fled).



Like Trocity said, there aren't hundreds in the entire order. Maybe you're thinking of the attack on the Jedi Temple? (which involved large numbers on both sides, but no IKs)

Come to think of it, all in all, 7 Imperial Knights die in Legacy 1.


The four above, Elke Vetter (Marasiah's master, killed by Talon), Roan Fel, and a general who died when his forces was overwhelmed by the Sith.


(More probably died in Legacy II, but, y'know, "whole order vs hundreds of sith." Not sure how many in any case)

elke vetter 3rd most powerful IK gets totally pwned by talon

And Ren compares to Talon?

Cute

Only stand out feats he has are deflecting lightsaber strikes with a barrier/tutaminis esque powers in the novel and not being offed by Chewbacca's bowcaster bolt

TK stopping a blaster bolt is cute, but hardly more than a bit feat... if not totally unquantifiable (do they even have kinetic energy?)

Talon getting stomped by Cade is not a feat.

talon curb stomps elke vetter, 3rd most powerful IK

ren and friends can curb stomp them as well

What is your reasoning behind her being the 3rd most powerful?

Originally posted by Trocity
What is your reasoning behind her being the 3rd most powerful?
What you said.

What is your reasoning behind anything you've ever posted?
Is what you should have said.

Fair point.

Originally posted by Trocity
What is your reasoning behind her being the 3rd most powerful? how quickly people forget

Originally posted by redpill
elke vetter 3rd most powerful IK gets totally pwned by talon


What makes you think she's third most powerful?

She was Marasiah's master/bodyguard, that's all.


Roan Fel, Antares Draco, Ganner Krieg, Tries Sinde, Sigal Dare, Azlyn Rae... are all stronger. Possibly Yalta Val too...


Also, Elke put up a fight against Darth Talon. That's actually solid skill- Talon has a mixed dueling record with Cade (beat in sparing once, escaped totally unscatched another time, got stabbed another. When she loses to him, it's most often to his force, not his dueling, btw), and has done quite well against Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao.


Originally posted by redpill
how quickly people forget


Forget what? There's no sign that Vetter is one of the top IKs.

Considering she was granted the position of training Marasiah, likely a fairly senior one, but there's IKs who can match or beat Talon.