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Plo & Kit as of Revenge of the Sith. Asajj as of Dark Disciple, Grievous as of Revenge of the Sith.

Battle takes place on Lothal.

Round 2: If the Jedi lose, add Kanan Jarrus.

Team two, either of team two can take either of team one. Same in round two as I'm not sure if Kanan really adds much.

Team 1 Kit can hold off Grevious and Plo can take Ventress

Unless the Jedi pwn Grievous with the force from the start Team 2.

Hang on is that comic where Plo defeats Ventress even canon anymore?

Doubt it

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Hang on is that comic where Plo defeats Ventress even canon anymore?

Which comic was this? If it's the one I'm thinking of, he didn't defeat her. Just disarmed her of one of her sabers.

And she has improved dramatically since then.

Jedi can take this if Fisto performs as he did in TCW against Grievous. I'm confident that Koon is match for Ventress.

Originally posted by ares834
Which comic was this? If it's the one I'm thinking of, he didn't defeat her. Just disarmed her of one of her sabers.

And she has improved dramatically since then. He didn't defeat her, but he did telekinetically dominate her and disarm her of a saber.

And though Ventress has improved (not seeing much evidence of "dramatically", Plo had a broken arm... and as a Djem So stylist that's a massive handicap.

Depending on what version of Grievous we are dealing with, I'd say the Jedi have a strong chance. Certainly don't see Ventress beating Plo Koon.Originally posted by Lord Stark
Hang on is that comic where Plo defeats Ventress even canon anymore? It's Legends as far as I know.

Should be able to find it on Aurbs' respect thread:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/aurbere/blog/plo-koon-respect-thread/103174/

Originally posted by Kurk
Jedi can take this if Fisto performs as he did in TCW against Grievous. I'm confident that Koon is match for Ventress.

Grievous wasn't fighting at his full capacity as he was given advice to rest but didn't. I'm also sure Plo - Ventress.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He didn't defeat her, but he did telekinetically dominate her and disarm her of a saber.

And though Ventress has improved (not seeing much evidence of "dramatically", Plo had a broken arm... and as a Djem So stylist that's a massive handicap.

He had a broken arm because of their last duel. One where he had the help of Kit Fisto.

It always amuses me that people only ever bring up the duel which makes Plo look better. But never the first.

Originally posted by ares834
Which comic was this? If it's the one I'm thinking of, he didn't defeat her. Just disarmed her of one of her sabers.

And she has improved dramatically since then.

Ah yes that's right. But I don't think its canon anymore, correct?

Nope. It's not.

Originally posted by ares834
He had a broken arm because of their last duel. One where he had the help of Kit Fisto.

It always amuses me that people only ever bring up the duel which makes Plo look better. But never the first. Orly? I'll have to check that out.

EDIT: Didn't she cause an avalanche or something to defeat him however?

I believe so. It's been years since I've read it.

Plo and Ventress only fought once, lol. That first encounter wasn't even a fight. All she did was cause an avalanche and run away.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plo had a broken arm... and as a Djem So stylist that's a massive handicap.

Plo always fights with one hand though...

Originally posted by Aurbere
Plo and Ventress only fought once, lol. That first encounter wasn't even a fight. All she did was cause an avalanche and run away.

No. They certainly fought. And Fisto came in to help.

Heck, looking at wookieepedia they even have a pic of Ventress and Plo dueling from that encounter.

lol indeed.

She jumped off a cliff and Plo Koon deflected her. Insert avalanche scene. That's not a fight, really.

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This should be good.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Plo always fights with one hand though... He's been in like 1, 2 lightsaber duels, and only in comic book panels. Not much to go off.

As a Djem So wielder though it only makes sense he'd make use of a two-handed grip.

Originally posted by Aurbere
She jumped off a cliff and Plo Koon deflected her. Insert avalanche scene. That's not a fight, really.

Got a link to a torrent or scans?

Originally posted by ares834
Got a link to a torrent or scans?

On my phone atm, so no I don't. Check my RT tho. It has everything relevant to it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's been in like 1, 2 lightsaber duels, and only in comic book panels. Not much to go off.

As a Djem So wielder though it only makes sense he'd make use of a two-handed grip.

Eh, no. He always fights with one hand. In every comic and in TCW too...I can't recall a single instance when he used two hands.

You should read Aurb's RT of him

Right you said that, and I pointed out only in the scant source material he's been seen in. And comic book panels that don't show the entire fight.

On that basis you can't claim he never uses two hands lol.

Zoltan dominating Beni, kek

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right you said that, and I pointed out only in the scant source material he's been seen in. And comic book panels that don't show the entire fight.

On that basis you can't claim he never uses two hands lol.

I wanted to link you like 30 images from Aurb's RT but KMC didn't let me. So I'm gona turn your comment around: You can't claim Plo uses two hands when not a single ****ing time he is depicted to do so. He is always shown to use one hand, that's all there is to it. The end.

And no, saying how a Djem So duelist should fight is not good enough. Qui-Gon used a grounded strength based Ataru, so anything is possible.

Before I get shit from Aurbere...

If you want to argue Plo's skill you should use the fact that he disarmed Ventress who is a Makashi master, which puts heavy focus on avoiding disarmament as a counter to Shii-Cho, which focuses on disarming.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Before I get shit from Aurbere...

If you want to argue Plo's skill you should use the fact that he disarmed Ventress who is a Makashi master, which puts heavy focus on avoiding disarmament as a counter to Shii-Cho, which focuses on disarming.

I'm just watching you two now, lol, so that wasn't necessary.

But thanks anyway.

Originally posted by Aurbere
I'm just watching you two now, lol, so that wasn't necessary.

But thanks anyway.

If you have time anyway then check your swtor inbox nooblet

When I get home tbh.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I wanted to link you like 30 images from Aurb's RT but KMC didn't let me. So I'm gona turn your comment around: You can't claim Plo uses two hands when not a single ****ing time he is depicted to do so. He is always shown to use one hand, that's all there is to it. The end.

And no, saying how a Djem So duelist should fight is not good enough. Qui-Gon used a grounded strength based Ataru, so anything is possible. The mainstay of Ataru is fast-paced and purely offensive kinetic combat, failing to see how Jinn's choice to dispense with acrobatics a significant deviation that proves "anything is possible."

The mainstay of Djem So is strength, and it incorporates a two-handed grip on a fundamental level, in fact its in the opening stance. Granted an argument can be made that Koon favoured a one-handed grip, but to suggest he abandoned two-handed completely based on very few showings is largely an appeal to an absence of evidence.

P.S. For the record he switches to a two-handed grip briefly here:

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Zoltan dominating Beni, kek Praise from Ant, Zoltan. You should put that on your profile.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
but to suggest he abandoned two-handed completely based on very few showings is largely an appeal to an absence of evidence.

It's not a few showings, and the consistancy is beyond explanation. Comic book artists had plenty of opportunity to depict him using two hands, yet they didn't. Suggesting that comics always skipped the part when he used two hands is pretty naive.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Praise from Ant, Zoltan. You should put that on your profile.

When you break it down it's really not as consistent as you make it out to be, first of all the only ones that are really relevant as those that depict lightsaber combat, as those are the only ones were strength would be a factor.

Taking the rest out of the equation leaves us with:

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Four panels. Which at the most prove he favoured one-hand, but that's all really.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Four panels. Which at the most prove he favoured one-hand, but that's all really.

Yeah and you arbitrary try to dismiss it. If two handed grip is so fundamental for Djem So don't you think one of the most skilled Jedi in history would realize that?

It's almost as if his fighting style is not textbook...

It's very telling that he didn't find the need to exploit Makashi's weakness by using two hands, or to try to compensate for Savage's ridiculous physicals.

Plo already lost to Ventress, add in Grievous and he gets his booty spanked.

Fisto beating shitty Robots and beating a Nerfed Grievous means nothing, team 2 should win every time.

Not sure on Fisto Vs Grievous. Fisto was winning but not by much. Ventress would stomp Koon though so team 2.

Yeah with canon feats only Plo's got nothing to suggest he's above Grievous or Ventress. Legends is closer as long as Plo takes Ventress and Fisto takes Grievous. In the reverse Ventress may be able to defeat Fisto before Plo can defeat Ventress.

Eitherway:

Canon: Team 2 85:15
Legends: Team 1 60:40

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah with canon feats only Plo's got nothing to suggest he's above Grievous or Ventress. Legends is closer as long as Plo takes Ventress and Fisto takes Grievous. In the reverse Ventress may be able to defeat Fisto before Plo can defeat Ventress.

Eitherway:

Canon: Team 2 85:15
Legends: Team 1 60:40

agreed idfk why everyone says koon is ultra-powerful he's done nothing. well ig they use shadow hunter but they said the same thing about anon bondera (who qui-gon beat).

also koon got destroyed with ease by savage even with clone troopers helping him. total wipeout i have the comic.

People rate him highly because of his performance against Ventress.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
People rate him highly because of his performance against Ventress.

Mundi did the same thing so did Unduli...And I don't even know if thats canon anymore since its OCW.