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Round 1: Lightsabers only

Round 2: All out fight

DE Luke

DE Luke

DE Luke.

WHO WINS

^ Luke shitstomps him.

Luke takes sabers. All out is debatable.

^ lol

Starkiller is nothing next to TFU Sidious.

DE Sidious acknowledges that Luke would give him a fight.

Would have to disagree there.

Pretending to troll to mask the fact that you couldn't muster an argument even if you tried. Cliched defense mechanism. *Yawn*

I'm neither pretending nor trolling. Just trying to be polite.

Imo Galen has shown himself to be significantly more powerful and while I would agree the DE Luke is a superior duelist I wouldn't say the gap between them is insurmountable which is why I don't believe Luke stomps if he wins at all.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm neither pretending nor trolling. Just trying to be polite.


A new look from you.



He was "no match" for the Emperor. Luke was, by Palpatine's own admission. Luke also downed an AT-AT. There's no reason to think that Galen is even as powerful as Luke, let alone "significantly more".



Luke is already a superior duelist to Galen by RotJ. It's a common plot point of Dark Empire that Skywalker's grown significantly more powerful since the Emperor's death.

Don't know what you mean by that. I only respond to someone the same I'm treated.

Galen casually downs an ATAT then goes on to defeat Vader and then exchange force attacks with Sidious.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DTd1m3whtuI/VIxA_eeY2aI/AAAAAAAGcJw/WsCd95H8S38/s1600/p1_115%2Bcopy.jpg

He also has feats far greater feats then simply downing an ATAT such as destroying the supports of an orbital superstructure, powering an ore cannon that pierced through a Star Destroyer, clearing a platform of an Imperial army and casually blasting hundreds of droids.

I would have to disagree there. Granted and I stated that Luke is probably the superior duelist. I'm simply stating I don't believe the disparity to be so great to be insurmountable.

Luke wins.

Luke legitimately challenged a more powerful iteration of Sheev than the one faced by 'Killer. Luke may not stomp, but he definitely wins.

Galen says himself that Sidious is toying with him. Excepting his oneness esque final moments, the SW database is reasonable in concluding that he's "no match" for the Emperor.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Don't know what you mean by that. I only respond to someone the same I'm treated.

Galen casually downs an ATAT then goes on to defeat Vader and then exchange force attacks with Sidious.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DTd1m3whtuI/VIxA_eeY2aI/AAAAAAAGcJw/WsCd95H8S38/s1600/p1_115%2Bcopy.jpg

He also has feats far greater feats then simply downing an ATAT such as destroying the supports of an orbital superstructure, powering an ore cannon that pierced through a Star Destroyer, clearing a platform of an Imperial army and casually blasting hundreds of droids.

I would have to disagree there. Granted and I stated that Luke is probably the superior duelist. I'm simply stating I don't believe the disparity to be so great to be insurmountable.


The DS ending makes it clear as day Sheev was toying with him the whole time.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Don't know what you mean by that. I only respond to someone the same I'm treated.

Galen casually downs an ATAT then goes on to defeat Vader and then exchange force attacks with Sidious.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DTd1m3whtuI/VIxA_eeY2aI/AAAAAAAGcJw/WsCd95H8S38/s1600/p1_115%2Bcopy.jpg

He also has feats far greater feats then simply downing an ATAT such as destroying the supports of an orbital superstructure, powering an ore cannon that pierced through a Star Destroyer, clearing a platform of an Imperial army and casually blasting hundreds of droids.

I would have to disagree there. Granted and I stated that Luke is probably the superior duelist. I'm simply stating I don't believe the disparity to be so great to be insurmountable.

Now Syndicate, be reasonable. We all know Palpatine was just goofing around and let Marek throw him around just to taunt him so he can fall to the Dark Side. Also, DE Luke brought down Imperial Walkers and deflected blows from them, plus he's rivalling a superoir Vader as of Return of the Jedi already... nevermind a Luke that improves nine years later.

He'll stomp every round.

If I never see that wanked-till-raw comic panel again, it'll be too soon.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Galen says himself that Sidious is toying with him. Excepting his oneness esque final moments, the SW database is reasonable in concluding that he's "no match" for the Emperor.

Granted he may not be a "match" but it doesn't mean he didn't provide Sidious a challenge as we can acknowledge based off the scan. Also Galen never says Sidious is toying with him, just that he's stronger then he's letting on.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
If I never see that wanked-till-raw comic panel again, it'll be too soon.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The DS ending makes it clear as day Sheev was toying with him the whole time.

The DS ending is non canon.

Originally posted by MythLord
Now Syndicate, be reasonable. We all know Palpatine was just goofing around and let Marek throw him around just to taunt him so he can fall to the Dark Side. Also, DE Luke brought down Imperial Walkers and deflected blows from them, plus he's rivalling a superoir Vader as of Return of the Jedi already... nevermind a Luke that improves nine years later.

He'll stomp every round.

Would have to disagree with you there.

Also all those feats you mentioned for Luke have been replicated or been surpassed by Galen.

I can agree that he'd likely take saber but he'd lose in the Force. All out could be argued either way.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Would have to disagree with you there.

Not surprising. It's funny how you have no counterargument, though. It amuses me how you appeal to ignorance, especially when we have conformation that Sidious purposefully let Galen attack him:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157004-anaga%5B.png

Then, of course, there is this:



The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia



Um, what? Being substantially ahead of Vader in both sabers and the Force is surpassed by Marek? Casaully deflecting and throwing around Imperial Walkers is surpassed by Marek? Managing to survive and deflect Dark Empire Sidious' lightning is surpassed by Marek? Managing to land a telekinetic hit on an actually serious Dark Empire Sidious is surpassed by Marek? Hardly.


Not at all. He's taking Force comfortably. Nothing Marek can do will hurt him, meanwhile he'll have splendid amounts of fun. And in a duel, there's no debate to be had -- Luke stomps.

I don't need a counterargument since you have no definitive evidence. They exchanged force attacks Sidious electrocuting Galen and then Galen stood again drawing on strong emotions to blast Sidious with TK and lightning before Sidious falls to the floor. Sidious likely does want Galen to give in to the Dark Side so that he can strike him down and have a worthy successor to continue the RoT line.

As I said above Galen may not have matched Sidious but he gave him a heck of a fight similar to Yoda.

In regards to the Force, yes as you were talking specifically about force feats. Since I've mentioned repeatedly that I believe DE Luke is superior as a lightsaber combatant I won't justify your second inquiry with a response. "Throwing around" Lol. Buckling it I think you mean, and yes, it is surpassed by Marek with feats like powering an ore cannon that pierced through a Star Destroyer, bringing down the supports of an orbital superstructure, guiding the descent of a falling Star Destroyers, casually blasting hundreds of droids and being a clear superior to Vader in the Force.

Given their respective feats I'd have to disagree. Luke has improved by an unknown degree from his RotJ incarnation who was a match for RotJ Vader. Galen beats TFU Vader who improved by an unknown margin by RotJ. Luke's best saber feat by DE remains matching Vader in RotJ. I'm willing to say DE Luke would be the superior duelist but it's not by some grand margin given their respective feats by this point in time.

How is it a "heck of a fight" when Sidious didn't fight back, lmao.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
How is it a "heck of a fight" when Sidious didn't fight back, lmao.

Sidious blasts him. He retaliates with his own lightning and TK. Sidious realizes Galen may be a worthy successor and is willing to sacrifice himself to turn Galen to the Dark Side. Rahm interferes enraging Sidious. Sidious strikes out but Galen steps in and enters into a force lock which Galen breaks off to allow his friends to escape. Very similar to Yoda isn't it with Yoda being blasted by Sidious's lightning before retaliating with TK. An extended fight goes on ( this is where the main difference lies ) before they enter a force lock and Yoda is forced to break it off knowing he can't win. The difference being Galen was forced to break it off to give his lover and the Rebel leaders a chance to escape.

Luke is a superior duelist by a grand margin. ANH Vader is presumably superior to TFU Vader, and ESB Vader is superior to ANH Vader:

http://i43.tinypic.com/6o39yh.jpg

And then RotJ Vader says he feels more powerful than he's ever been. That's at least two, if not three, noticeable power-ups Vader gets from TFU, where he's essentially even with Starkiller (replay that fight 100 times and you probably get a roughly even split).

RotJ Luke matches or even exceeds Vader as a duelist. Luke then has six (or is it nine?) years to train and fight. By the time he meets Wankatine, everybody had fawned over his power, and Wankatine himself acknowledges that he's grown strong in the Force and could give him a good fight (but lose, and this is Wankatine before he gets a younger body). Then Luke apprentices himself to Wankatine for a short while, learning of the dark side and growing powerful enough that he thought he could challenge the Emperor. Though he lost, he then spent more time learning under Wankatine, and then broke free from his grasp, and was able to defeat him pretty swiftly in a duel, albeit with some Force harmony from Leia (that Luke didn't even seem to notice was there until Leia pointed it out).

Galen Marek, meanwhile, is roughly a match as a duelist with TFU Vader. ANH Vader has a slight advantage over Ben Kenobi, who he remarks in Death Star has grown weaker since RotS. He's clearly inferior with a blade to, say, Dooku, who would've trashed even RotS Obi Wan far more quickly, and by transitive property Windu, who was still trashed pre-vaapad by Sidious. It therefore suffices to say that Marek would be eviscerated by RotS Sidious in a lightsaber duel, and end-of-DE Luke likely matches or exceeds that version of Palpatine.

There is no parity in lightsaber combat.

In the Force, Starkiller is slightly above TFU Vader. Vader even by the OT is scared of Palpatine's power. Hence why the encyclopedia says that Starkiller was "no match" for Darth Sidious. Galen himself acknowledges that Sidious is toying with him when he was being ragdolled - even if you disagree with this interpretation, it's the one that best reconciles that encounter with the encyclopedia's quote and Starkiller's performance against Vader, so it's superior to your own, which creates all sorts of continuity conflicts. Luke, meanwhile, was a match for a significantly more powerful one.

Your only argument now is to limit the discussion to feats of environmental manipulation, which is absurd - Luke hasn't been in situations of having to redirect star destroyers or whatever, so you can't draw 1 to 1 comparisons of their abilities here. In the ambiguities of this line of thought, you defer to the far clearer and more conclusive powerscaling that tells us Luke > Starkiller (by a lot).

But hey, didn't you say in that other thread that you thought Starkiller's raw power rivaled LotF Luke's?

Yet I do. But you do need a counterargument, you're just in no position to make one.



Yeah, so Sidious lets Galen attack him, laughs it all off, then says to keep using his anger and hatred. Kind of obvious what's going on. Stop appealing to bias and try look at it objectively.



Yet he will not. This is not hard: Sidious was toying with Marek, he was going all-out against Yoda. His fight with Yoda was at least partially a stalemate, his "fight" with Marek is him laughing around.



Buckling it? No, the guy brings it down like it's nothing. Sidious' lightning >> Galen's, and Luke tanked it just fine:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4788354-luke+tanks+being+shocked+by+lightning.png

And Luke guided a falling ship casually while on Dathomir, telekinetically moved the Falcon, and influenced proton bombs thousands of miles away and all of this is a long time before Dark Empire. Plus, being substantially ahead of Vader in power should place him above Marek, who is inferior to prime Vader.



Keep yelling how it's unknown. It will not change the fact that DE Luke >> RotJ Luke ~ RotJ Vader > TFU Vader = Galen. There's no point in arguing in this, we know DE Luke is certainly superior to Galen, we just don't know if slightly or massively. Given how at least four people said Luke's growth in power is massive, yeah I'll say he takes Force handily.

That's your opinion which you're free to have.

Nah. His fight with Galen as of TFU was firmly in the apprentice's favor despite the advantages Vader held.

He matches a Vader who is reluctant to kill him who he himself is reluctant to kill as well, yes.

Indeed. As I said DE Lukes grows in power in comparison to his RotJ incarnation by an unknown margin.

Again you're correct. He loses to DE Sidious in a lightsaber duel when unamped and then when amped by Leia's force harmony was capable of beating him. Since I'm assuming Luke doesn't have Leia at his disposal for this fight we can only look at his greatest feats of lightsaber dueling which is matching RotJ Vader in RotJ and losing to DE Sidious in DE.

Incorrect. Galen Marek is Vader's superior despite Vader's advantages in the fight.

Vader does have an advantage over Ben, yes. Dooku dared not launch an offensive against Obi Wan in RotS. Vader obviously wasn't exercising any force edge over Ben in their fight or possibly was incapable of such. Dooku is superior to Windu as a duelist imo. Considering Mace was outmatched by Sidious due to the former's speed rather then anything pertaining to skill and Galen is hinted to be faster then Vader I'd have to disagree. DE Luke is trashed by Sidious in their duel when unamped so all your speculation doesn't really amount to much.

There is as I've proven above.

I'd say he's above Vader by a good margin considering Vader was unable to escape his grip.

Darth Vader did not want to face his master alone, that's for sure. He did however feel confident that with somebody like Galen or Luke at his side he could defeat Sidious. Unless you like some believe Vader took Galen as an apprentice under Palpatine's orders which wouldn't make much sense given Vader's statements like "Where is your master? I sense someone far more powerful nearby." Or his surprise when the lightsaber is pulled out of his hand by a child.

You don't need to be a match for someone to provide a challenge. And it's kind of more likely that Galen isn't going to be as much of a match after fighting through Imperial forces and defeating Vader thus depleting his force reserves. Luke lost to a Sidious that couldn't use great amounts of his power without his body aging prematurely and withering away.

I like how in both threads you're trying to tell me what my arguments are. Considering all the logical fallacies you just tried to dump on me and the fact that almost all your statements here are based on your own assumptions you haven't limited me to anything.

I did and I still do.

Would like to just note before we continue that I don't appreciate being double teamed when I have things to do today and other threads I need to respond to, like the Caedus vs Starkiller thread. Maybe we should stick to our debate there El.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Sidious blasts him.Where?Originally posted by Syndicate
An extended fight goes on ( this is where the main difference lies )Right, as in, there was an actual fight.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yet I do. But you do need a counterargument, you're just in no position to make one.



Yeah, so Sidious lets Galen attack him, laughs it all off, then says to keep using his anger and hatred. Kind of obvious what's going on. Stop appealing to bias and try look at it objectively.



Yet he will not. This is not hard: Sidious was toying with Marek, he was going all-out against Yoda. His fight with Yoda was at least partially a stalemate, his "fight" with Marek is him laughing around.



Buckling it? No, the guy brings it down like it's nothing. Sidious' lightning >> Galen's, and Luke tanked it just fine:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4788354-luke+tanks+being+shocked+by+lightning.png

And Luke guided a falling ship casually while on Dathomir, telekinetically moved the Falcon, and influenced proton bombs thousands of miles away and all of this is a long time before Dark Empire. Plus, being substantially ahead of Vader in power should place him above Marek, who is inferior to prime Vader.



Keep yelling how it's unknown. It will not change the fact that DE Luke >> RotJ Luke ~ RotJ Vader > TFU Vader = Galen. There's no point in arguing in this, we know DE Luke is certainly superior to Galen, we just don't know if slightly or massively. Given how at least four people said Luke's growth in power is massive, yeah I'll say he takes Force handily.

You don't. You have a statement that Galen was ultimately no match which only proves he wasn't Sidious's equal and that's only at the time that he faced him not accounting for such events like Galen having fought through Imperial forces and defeated Vader beforehand.

There's nothing suggesting Sidious let him attack him. Simply Galen overpowering him with strong dark side emotions and Sidious realizing that he could have a potential successor for the RoT line if he could turn him to the Dark Side.

That's your opinion that you're free to have. I hold another one as I've explained. Also Sidious laughs throughout his fight with Yoda as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sObyG9bTf5A

He brings it down by buckling it. In the quotes I provided above Marek does the same. You probably didn't bother to read them though despite your claim that Luke is a superior force user.

A few things here. In the first scan it appears as if Sidious is knocking the lightsaber out of Luke's hand with his lightning but even if he was electrocuting Luke himself I doubt he was using his full power considering he's talking to Luke about using him to turn his sister in the next scan. You don't generally do that with people you just attempted to kill.

Was the ship 1600 meters longs? The Falcon isn't that's for sure. Along with that the quote never says he's affecting the Falcon with TK rather the text insinuates that he's piloting it with the Force. Regardless even if you do hold the former stance the two aren't comparable.

You believe Galen to be inferior to RotJ Vader but you have no evidence except Vader stating to have grown in power. While that's all fine and dandy and puts Vader CLOSER to Galen it doesn't make him on par or comparable.

"DE Luke >> RotJ Luke ~ RotJ Vader > TFU Vader = Galen."

If this was actually the case you might have a point but since Galen is actually superior to TFU Vader and RotJ Luke is not equal to RotJ Vader in anything but lightsabers you're theory falls apart.

We know DE Luke is superior to Galen as a duelist and we don't know by what margin, that's all.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Where?Right, as in, there was an actual fight.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IZ_lpORNAF4/VIxA_HWqzsI/AAAAAAAGcJo/1p5lJWihd48/s1600/p1_114%2Bcopy.jpg

In regards to a lightsaber duel and some senate pod throwing.

Concession accepted.



Yes, the advantages of... his opponent knowing how he fights inside and out? What an insane advantage. Also, it wasn't firmly in his favour, lol. Read the fight again:

A simple double stroke, up and then down, it contained enough power to jar his wrists and shoulders and very nearly disarm him completely. The collision of their lightsabers was blinding. He staggered backward and found himself at the center of a telekinetic storm. His Master seized on his momentary weakness and hurled missiles at him from all sides, hoping to keep him off his guard.

...

The apprentice fell back under the rain of blows. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain.

...

"You can teach me nothing," Darth Vader's leaden voice intoned. One black glove clenched, and for a moment the apprentice's throat closed tight.

Imagine that... Vader actually was driving back and choking Marek at several points. Galen, on the other hand, only had a clear advantage when he was angered.



Great. Luke matches an even better Vader, and then surpasses him. Luke > Galen.



We know Vader grew considerably:

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157136-vader+improves.png

And we know Luke surpassed him. So... Vader who is equal to Galen grows considerably, then Luke surpasses him... Kinda obvious who wins.



Luke was also on a Dark Side Nexus when he lost to Sidious. I'd argue Luke would fair a good deal better if on neutral ground, even if he loses.



Incorrect. Most of the fight was a stalemate, and Vader had no advantage that Galen also didn't have. Even the text notes this:

The apprentice knew exactly what to expect. They had dueled many times before. He had learned how to fight at the hands of the man in the black suit-the man whose face had been forever hidden from him. He knew the intimacies of his refined version of Djem So, a fighting style that incorporated elements of Ataru, Soresu, and Makashi. He had fended off many wild, slashing attacks that would have overwhelmed even an extraordinary Jedi Knight. He had borne the brunt of many psychological battles.

Yes, he ultimately was a bit caught off guard, but that was due to Vader's strength. He still knew the way Vader fought inside-out.



No damn clue what this has to do with anything... But to argue Yoda's equal is not going to be better than Windu skill-wise is downright idiotic.



Well... That fight was on a substantial nexus. Off-nexus, Luke gives him a hell of a fight. And that's not even considering the fact that Sidious grew substantially in power from TFU to DE.



Galen didn't escape Vader's grip -- he sent out a telekinetic hit to stagger Vader and then he was released. Then there's the fact that Galen was enraged when he gripped Vader, and he only gripped him for a brief moment.



Did... did you read the novel? Did you play the game? Vader only "needed an apprentice" to do jobs for him and Palpatine. Both Galen and Palpatine noted this:
http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157158-galen%27s+life+story+1.png
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157159-galen%27s+life+story+2.png
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157160-galen%27s+life+story+3.png
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5157161-galen%27s+life+story+4.png


It's pathetic to back a character you don't even know the backstory of. I am not sure why I humour you, Syndicate.



What an amazing way to lowball... Sidious, at this point, is at the peak of his power and only bested Luke on a substantial Dark Side Nexus. Try and look at context. And Galen can casually re-fill his Force reserves, as can any Force user.



Both threads? I'm only debating you here. And what logical fallacies? You're the one who's blatantly contradicting what has been presented, and using no-limit fallacies. Your argument hinges on ignoring context, or overexaggerating it. Honestly, you're not worth debating. It's clear you're on some sort of brigade of displaying Marek as a demi-god. Very ironic and amusing how far you'll go and how much you fail.

^ I think he was responding to my post, to answer your last question.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
^ I think he was responding to my post, to answer your last question.
The rest of the post seems directed at me. But it's possible.

Wolf? Is that you? :P

Nah, the advantage of his apprentice thinking he knew his master's true capabilities but actually not and his opponent having tired himself out against Imperial force beforehand.

"The apprentice understood that,until this moment, they had never truly fought as equals." - The Force Unleashed.

The first quote you post is after Galen mused knowing all about Vader and then it states

"He thought he was ready- and so the sheer severity of the opening blow took him by surprise." - The Force Unleashed.

The second occurred after Galen taunted Vader for not having a father and for using him as a replacement for a son he never had enraging the Sith Lord.

"I understand you now," he said, still trying to goad his former Master into breaking his concentration. "You killed my father and kidnapped me from Kashyyyk, not just to be your apprentice, but to be a son to you. Was that how your father treated you?"

LOL. Post the whole damn quote rather then constantly abusing singular passages.

"He beat back the telekinetic attack with one of his own, shoving his master in the chest with the force of a small explosion, throwing Darth Vader backward across the room." - The Force Unleashed.

Lol. And you accuse me of selective quoting.

If you'd like I can provide you several with Galen scoring direct hits on Vader with his lightsaber or legitimately holding him in his force grip and Vader being unable to escape from it.

Except he only matches him in regards to sabers. If it had been all out Vader would have simply ragdolled him. Also you forget Galen BEAT his Vader.

Except Vader wasn't equal to Galen and Luke by RotJ was only equal to Vader as a lightsaber duelist.

The first legitimate point you've made though I'd point out that Sidious himself is stated to be a DS nexus and a focal point of the Dark Side.

Incorrect. I already posted the quote but directly after this it states Galen actually had no idea what Vader's capabilities were also Vader had just fought through Imperial forces as I mentioned. Those are the advantages Vader held. Also the only times Vader has an advantage is right off the bat when Galen thinks he knows the scope of his opponent but actually doesn't and when he is enraged by Galen's comments. He attempted to choke Galen which worked for a moment before he was completely trashed in a contest of the Force.

Why? Dooku is able to contend with Yoda because of his skill even though Sidious should have the same amount of speed as a person who blitzed the B team. This can only mean Yoda is far less skilled then the Count in technical skill to the point he is unable to disarm him due to the disparity or that Dooku is far faster then the members of the B team.

Does he give him a "hell of a fight" when amped by Leia perchance?

Galen wasn't enraged. The novel makes not that he's denying the Dark Side and seeking a better way to defeat his Master. Also I was talking about Vader being unable to break out of Galen's hold.

"A better way to kill... Not out of hatred. Whatever lay beneath that black mask, it wasn't beauty or happiness. Only ugliness and pain would hide itself away for so long. Hatred would not be enough to turn the tables on Darth Vader." - The Force Unleashed.

"I don't need to hate you in order to beat you, that's something I will teach you now." - The Force Unleashed.

""I don't hate you," The apprentice went on, blocking him blow for blow. "I pity you.""

"He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued."

I've done both. Why would Vader have cloned him again in TFUII then? To get another trained acolyte? Why not just rely on the Inquisitorius or the Hands? Personally I think Sidious found out about Vader training him and took over it using Vader as the medium.

"It's pathetic to back a character you don't even know the backstory of. I am not sure why I humour you, Syndicate."

If that's truly what you think then I honestly don't know why you do either.

Lol. No force user can replenish their force reserves insantly, regardless of the Dooku quote you have where he "washed away his weariness."

This post was addressed to Ell. Like RotJ Luke being Vader's equal simply because he matched him in blades. How am I contradicting what's being presented Wolf? What no limits fallacies am I using Wolf? Where have I ignored or over exaggerated context aside from Byss where it just hadn't come to mind. If you think I was ignoring context then you should probably learn to not accuse people of things before you know for sure. It's quite insulting. If I'm not worth debating don't debate me. I get the feeling you're more frustrated then amused but really it's your choice to be either. No need to get worked up about a SW debate mate.

Originally posted by MythLord
The rest of the post seems directed at me. But it's possible.

I gave you your very own post actually but since you already responded I figured I might as well be courteous about it and give you a response anyways.

Alright gotta go. If I don't respond I'm not ignoring you.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Wolf? Is that you? :P
LOL. This is even more amusing. First posting out of context fights as arguments, which I could handle, and now you're confusing me as a ComicVine dult Wollfmyth? That is quite funny.
Your detective work needs improvement, my dear Syndicate.

Apologies friend. You spoke to me in the same manner as he does some times.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Apologies friend. You spoke to me in the same manner as he does some times.
Well that's... interesting. I don't know where a scrub like Wolf can actually speak to you in a manner that inflates his superiority. I can safely say that despite your general over or under exaggeration of certain context, you are certainly the better debater.
Like... Luke being faster than light? Is he high?

Lol I know. He once tried saying that magnaguards are lightspeed thus Ahsoka who fought 3 of them at once and one in TCW had to AT THE VERY LEAST be a significant fraction of lightspeed. Nearly had an aneurysm.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Lol I know. He once tried saying that magnaguards are lightspeed thus Ahsoka who fought 3 of them at once and one in TCW had to AT THE VERY LEAST be a significant fraction of lightspeed. Nearly had an aneurysm.
Yes. The whole "lightspeed" quotes in Star Wars come from very outliar esque sources written by some rather reaching authors.
At best I would say a blaster bolt is hypersonic, but that is reaching it. I do not understand how he's respected on ComicVine... Must be a fun, little, dumb world over there.

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Originally posted by MythLord
At best I would say a blaster bolt is hypersonic, but that is reaching it. I do not understand how he's respected on ComicVine... Must be a fun, little, dumb world over there.

Slugthrowers are hypersonic, I think plasma bolts from blasters are slower but I'm not really sure.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Lol I know. He once tried saying that magnaguards are lightspeed thus Ahsoka who fought 3 of them at once and one in TCW had to AT THE VERY LEAST be a significant fraction of lightspeed. Nearly had an aneurysm.

Pretty sure the quote being referenced is that magnaguards process things at lightspeed (which I guess they sort of do in a meaningless way...as does my computer), but that's pretty dumb if he thinks that translates to them moving at lightspeed.

The quote says lightspeed reflexes which Wolf attempts to say is how quickly they can perceive and react.

Originally posted by Syndicate
The quote says lightspeed reflexes which Wolf attempts to say is how quickly they can perceive and react.
Get ur ass on hangouts tbh

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Get ur ass on hangouts tbh

Nah.

Originally posted by Trocity
Slugthrowers are hypersonic, I think plasma bolts from blasters are slower but I'm not really sure.
There is actually a source that shows blaster bolts being faster than a slugthrower.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Pretty sure the quote being referenced is that magnaguards process things at lightspeed (which I guess they sort of do in a meaningless way...as does my computer), but that's pretty dumb if he thinks that translates to them moving at lightspeed.

No. The quote says reflex -- an action or movement made by reacting to something. But that is an outliar, honestly.

Yeah, Luke rips him from limb to limb.

Luke stomps.