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who wins?

1.lightsabers
2.force
3.all-out

I think.

1.mace is slightly better here.
2.anakin is superior with the force, but not by leagues or anything.
3.I think mace is better than dooku but not by much but anakin>dooku. i think mace wins here in close fights or 6 out of 10 maybe 7 as lucas said you have to be yoda or mace to compete with the emperor and nick gillard said mace is second only to yoda/sidious.

Sabers- Anakin slightly

Force- Mace

All out- Mace

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sabers- Anakin slightly

Force- Mace

All out- Mace

I would think mace is better in sabers and anakin better with the force. maces main speciality is his saber skills.

in saber skill rankings for the PT I would say something like

1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Windu
4.Anakin
5.Dooku
6.Maul
7.Kenobi
8.Ventress
9.Opress
10.Fisto

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
I would think mace is better in sabers and anakin better with the force. maces main speciality is his saber skills.

in saber skill rankings for the PT I would say

1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Windu
4.Anakin
5.Dooku
6.Maul/Kenobi

To me it's hard to say because Anakin beat Dooku and I believe Dooku to be either equal or greater than Mace but not by much and Anakin was stated to be a 9 by Nick Gillard alongside the likes of Yoda and Sidious.

IMO
1.Sidious/Yoda
2. Anakin
3. Dooku/Obi Wan
4. Obi Wan/Maul

I took Anakin at his time during invisible hand.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
To me it's hard to say because Anakin beat Dooku and I believe Dooku to be either equal or greater than Mace but not by much and Anakin was stated to be a 9 by Nick Gillard alongside the likes of Yoda and Sidious.

IMO
1.Sidious/Yoda
2. Anakin
3. Dooku/Obi Wan
4. Obi Wan/Maul

I took Anakin at his time during invisible hand.

yeah the only ones with confirmed 9 rankings are yoda, sidious, anakin, and windu idk if dooku is level 9 he might be a high 8.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
yeah the only ones with confirmed 9 rankings are yoda, sidious, anakin, and windu idk if dooku is level 9 he might be a high 8.

I know Sidious and Yoda are 9s but Mace isn't. At least without Vaapad.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know Sidious and Yoda are 9s but Mace isn't. At least without Vaapad.

They said level 9 is sidious/yoda/mace/anakin. Sidious/Yoda are better with a lightsaber than Windu but not by much also i dont get the vaapad thing.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
They said level 9 is sidious/yoda/mace/anakin. Sidious/Yoda are better with a lightsaber than Windu but not by much also i dont get the vaapad thing.

The ROTS novel explains it. Without it Mace wouldn't have been able to compete which is why I was confused as to why he would be a 9. He's probably a nine when with Vaapad. Also Anakin was a 9 when he was focused. Sidious and Yoda are 9s all around.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The ROTS novel explains it. Without it Mace wouldn't have been able to compete which is why I was confused as to why he would be a 9. He's probably a nine when with Vaapad. Also Anakin was a 9 when he was focused. Sidious and Yoda are 9s all around.

How would vaapad effect his dueling skill though. His skill should be the same regardless.

Antoine Bandele has covered this match up here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-cDFfhppk

Yes, it's not official but I feel Antoine provides valid feats and claims which is more than I can say for others. I feel Anakin should've got the physicality edge and dueling should have been equal.

It amazes me how despite the harassment you get for posting those links, you are still determined to preach the gospel of YouTube, Nus.

Y does everyone have a SW youtube versus channel wtf.

Initially it was just Jensaarai, but now it's a trend lol. Ngl there was even a point when I considered making one, but I lost interest fairly early on in drafting.

As for the fight, at this point it honestly depends on whether we're using Legends material or going strictly by canon.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Initially it was just Jensaarai, but now it's a trend lol. Ngl there was even a point when I considered making one, but I lost interest fairly early on in drafting.

As for the fight, at this point it honestly depends on whether we're using Legends material or going strictly by canon.

Canon Mace would take Canon Anakin, but EU Anakin should take EU Mace. If were using that.

Windu wins.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
Canon Mace would take Canon Anakin, but EU Anakin should take EU Mace. If were using that.
Nah. Canon Mace didn't obliterate Maul in two seconds, so he's obviously not Sidious-tier, not to mention Vaapad is still a thing.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nah. Canon Mace didn't obliterate Maul in two seconds, so he's obviously not Sidious-tier, not to mention Vaapad is still a thing.

Well to be fair Sidious didint eliminate Maul in two seconds, more like 30seconds in their saber fight and Mace vs Maul was not even a page just 1 panel. But I do agree Mace isint Sidious tier at all in canon. In the EU Mace wasint that far above Kolar/Tiin and wasint as impresive as the canon.

Mace is less impressive in canon and doesn't even have the accolades he used to anymore. He places Anakin firmly above him, and Yoda so that's iffy, and his best Force feat is pushing a tank. Even his defeating of Sidious is put in question several times. And the fight between Sidious and Maul was more of Sidious toying with Maul than an even battle.

Mace earns a spot next to Darth Bane in the grave

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Mace is less impressive in canon and doesn't even have the accolades he used to anymore. He places Anakin firmly above him, and Yoda so that's iffy, and his best Force feat is pushing a tank. Even his defeating of Sidious is put in question several times. And the fight between Sidious and Maul was more of Sidious toying with Maul than an even battle.
In canon I'm pretty sure he literally has an accolade calling him the greatest warrior among the Jedi.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Mace is less impressive in canon and doesn't even have the accolades he used to anymore. He places Anakin firmly above him, and Yoda so that's iffy, and his best Force feat is pushing a tank. Even his defeating of Sidious is put in question several times. And the fight between Sidious and Maul was more of Sidious toying with Maul than an even battle.

OFC Sidious is far stronger than Maul, I never disagreed or said it was an even battle! What I did say was that Sidious would take like 20-25seconds to beat him in a saber duel versus like 2seconds vs someone like Agen Kolar. From the canon Mace is more impressive seeing as how hes second only to Yoda but in the EU alot of Jedi can stalemate him like Tiin or Kolar so Canon Mace is much more impressive.

Also obviously Mace is gona say Yodas above him but IDR him saying anything about Anakin, can you please find the quote for me if u can? I do know that Lucas said you have to be Yoda or Mace to compete with the Emperor and Gillard said Mace was second only to Yoda so that pretty much says Mace > Anakin to me (close tho). Even if Mace isint stronger he could prollay trick him somehow.

I am not 100% sure thats why I made this topic to hear everyones opinions.

Too close to call, really. Though if I honestly had to wager on it, I'd go with Master Windu.

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Here are the quotes on Maces power from the canon that I know of.

Nick Gillard : We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda...
- Source : Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette

He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
- Source : Insider #55

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor,"
- Source : George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204

Perhaps he is a better battlefield warrior than Yoda.

Yeah it's above your post.

NVMD I remember when Mace says Anakin is stronger than him in the novel. But the novel is contradicted by Lucas and contradicts itself by stating.

This is the moment that defines Mace Windu. Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his unmatched skills with the lightsaber.
- Source : Revenge of the Sith Novel

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah it's above your post.

Check my post above.

Well going by the canon Mace is def stronger with a lightsaber than Anakin and not that far under Yoda/Sidious according to GL. In the EU he's barley above Kolar or Tiin.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Perhaps he is a better battlefield warrior than Yoda.

no way!

Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Obviously Yoda and Anakin are better warriors, just not a better combination of that and general, DMB. uhuh

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
no way!

I was more or less undermining DMB's quote. Windu can be a better battlefield warrior and general/leader, but not be a better lightsaber duelist and one on one combatant.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
Here are the quotes on Maces power from the canon that I know of.

Nick Gillard : We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda...
- Source : Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette

He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
- Source : Insider #55

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor,"
- Source : George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204
I meant actual comparison accolades, not "seems to be," and probablies, lulz.

The first and third quotes he posted weren't maybies or seems to be.

The first one is from Episode II, which doesn't even concern Anakin in this thread, and the last is contradicted by Lucas himself who says Sidious' defeat was in question. Finally, none of that shit has to do with lightsaber prowess.

...What? I don't care about your other nitpickings, I care about these:

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I meant actual comparison accolades, not "seems to be," and probablies, lulz.

They still aren't "seems to be" or probabilities.

Because the last one seems to be false, and we don't know if the first one is still true. Definite statements without definite truths aren't definite.

Ima quote this shit and break it up becauise it takes like 10-15 posts 2 reply.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I was more or less undermining DMB's quote. Windu can be a better battlefield warrior and general/leader, but not be a better lightsaber duelist and one on one combatant.

OH okay I thought u guys were saying Windu > Yoda.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I meant actual comparison accolades, not "seems to be," and probablies, lulz.

That is an actual comparison/statement that GL says that you have to be Mace or Yoda to defeat the Emperor its not iffy! And Mace being second to Yoda isint iffy ethier! Same with the first! Lucas opinion >>>>> all else he's the guy who made the art were just spectators not the ones to question his show.

TO SUM IT UP Canon Mace is far stronger than EU Mace.

Canon Mace

-Second only to Yoda (confirmed among Jedi)
-Only Jedi/Sith other than Yoda to compete with Sidious (be able to)
-Held his own against Sidious (although Sidious was holding back but still he did hold his own!)

EU Mace
-Said to only be weaker than Dooku/Yoda among Jedi but also said that Qui Gon, Mundi, and Plo Koon can defeat him. Sasukedc (NEWGUY) even showed me the quote.
-Says hes weaker than Depa Billaba.
-Fought evenly with Saesee Tiin
-Had trouble with Sora Bulq, and Dooku thrashed Sora with the help of THOME meaning EU Dooku >>> EU Mace.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because the last one seems to be false, and we don't know if the first one is still true. Definite statements without definite truths aren't definite.

Except that you never pointed out you were questioning the truths behind the statements being definite as opposed to the statements themselves, which were definitely definite. Not only that, but the last statement isn't remotely false as far as Mace competing with the Emperor goes.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
Qui Gon, Mundi, and Plo Koon can defeat him. Sasukedc (NEWGUY) even showed me the quote.

Guehehe, no.

I agree with the consensus that Mace is a generally underwhelming presence in legends compared to canon, though.

Looks like Sas has been at the forge with AP lately.

I had to say it, sorry.

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Guehehe, no.

I agree with the consensus that Mace is a generally underwhelming presence in legends compared to canon, though.

Sorry bud but u showed me the quote were they said only Dooku/Yoda can defeat Mace but it was rumored among JEDI Qui Gon, Mundi, and PLO KOON could aswell! idk why u guys are spamming ether..

ACTUALLY it was JACK who showed me the quote. So I will just ask him or u can.

IN FACT I would say that more proves that Mace from the EU is a lightweight compared to CANON Mace.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nah. Canon Mace didn't obliterate Maul in two seconds, so he's obviously not Sidious-tier, not to mention Vaapad is still a thing. Neither did Sidious.

Windu beat Sidious anyways.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
Sorry bud but u showed me the quote were they said only Dooku/Yoda can defeat Mace but it was rumored among JEDI Qui Gon, Mundi, and PLO KOON could aswell! idk why u guys are spamming ether.

I never heared of that. There's a quote saying that only ever Yoda and Dooku beat him in combat, but that doesn't even mean they'd trash him 10/10. As for Mundi and co, Mace shits on them even in Legends.

Banned already?

Who was Agusto ?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It amazes me how despite the harassment you get for posting those links, you are still determined to preach the gospel of YouTube, Nus.

You missed my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither did Sidious.

Windu beat Sidious anyways.

Sidious was toying with Maul and Oppress. This is evident at the beginning of the fight where Sidious pins the two against the wall with TK then lets them go.

Not even going to bother with the second part.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Sidious was toying with Maul and Oppress. This is evident at the beginning of the fight where Sidious pins the two against the wall with TK then lets them go.

Not even going to bother with the second part.
Maul pins Sidious too in the extended fight

Originally posted by Kurk
Maul pins Sidious too in the extended fight

Not canon.

Originally posted by Kurk
Maul pins Sidious too in the extended fight

The one that isn't even fully animated and was never included in the episode and non-canon?

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Sidious was toying with Maul and Oppress. This is evident at the beginning of the fight where Sidious pins the two against the wall with TK then lets them go.

Not even going to bother with the second part. Nah. By the same logic we could say Palpatine toyed with Yoda since he had him down for over thirty seconds while he cackled.

We could say that, actually.

And then Yoda got back up and managed to tk him. Palpatine's facial expression changes after that and he even tries to leave.

Compared to the shit eating grin he wears throughout the Maul brothers fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah. By the same logic we could say Palpatine toyed with Yoda since he had him down for over thirty seconds while he cackled.

Palpatine's attempt to retreat suggest not only was he serious, but he was scared of Yoda.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Palpatine's attempt to retreat suggest not only was he serious, but he was scared of Yoda.

And in the junior novelization it's made clear that Yoda is pretending to be hurt to try and catch Sidious off guard by landing a Force push. But yeah, this is probably non canon.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
And in the junior novelization it's made clear that Yoda is pretending to be hurt to try and catch Sidious off guard by landing a Force push. But yeah, this is probably non canon.

The actaul novelization of the movies are still canon.

Mace.
Stalemate.
Mace.

Anakin is physically stronger though not by a huge margin, their other physical stats should be the same. Mace is slightly more skilled imo.

They're equals in the force.

Mace may take it overall though really it could go either way.

Originally posted by Trocity
We could say that, actually.

And then Yoda got back up and managed to tk him. Palpatine's facial expression changes after that and he even tries to leave.

Compared to the shit eating grin he wears throughout the Maul brothers fight. Palpatine was laughing his ass off at the end of the Yoda fight to in which Yoda fell and was defeated. Palpatine tends to cackle like a moron and allow his opponents time to recover. Combat buffoonery.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Palpatine's attempt to retreat suggest not only was he serious, but he was scared of Yoda. Yes, he was fearful and tried to leave after he allowed him over 30 seconds to recover. He's an idiot and a scared one at that.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
And in the junior novelization it's made clear that Yoda is pretending to be hurt to try and catch Sidious off guard by landing a Force push. But yeah, this is probably non canon.


Nah Junior Novelizations are canon. The JN for ROTS confirmed Yoda disarmed Sidious which comes straight from the script.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was fearful and tried to leave after he allowed him over 30 seconds to recover. He's an idiot and a scared one at that.

Yeah because Yoda displayed power he didn't expect from a Jedi. In that moment Sidious realized that unlike in the fight with Mace (imo) he was not in control.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah Junior Novelizations are canon. The JN for ROTS confirmed Yoda disarmed Sidious which comes straight from the script.

Says who, tbh?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah Junior Novelizations are canon. The JN for ROTS confirmed Yoda disarmed Sidious which comes straight from the script.

I was aware the novelizations were I was just unsure about the Junior ones.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah because Yoda displayed power he didn't expect from a Jedi. In that moment Sidious realized that unlike in the fight with Mace (imo) he was not in control. He just force pushed him back ffs. Mace won that fight and Yoda lost ironically. Continue to ignore the facts all you want as they wont change.