The best President of the last century?

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Surtur
Simple enough question, who in the last century has been the best US President. I said the last century, but lets make the cutoff date the year 1900. In between then and now who in your opinion has been the best, and why? Teddy Roosevelt? FDR? JFK? Nixon? Reagan?

Bardock42
Obama

Time-Immemorial
JFK/Reagan

Omega Vision
FDR

Nephthys
Originally posted by Bardock42
Obama

Star428
Originally posted by Bardock42
Obama



roll eyes (sarcastic)

He didn't ask who the worst President of all-time was did he? So why u picked Obama's muslim race-baiting divisive joke ass is beyond me.

Getting serious now instead of nonsense like u just posted, Bardock, it's like TI said. Either JFK or Reagan. I lean towards Reagan, obviously, for the simple fact he was a Republican. Republicans are just inherently superior to democrats. So Reagan gets my vote. thumb up

Robtard
Carter with a nod to Obama

-One of the more honest/open Presidents
-Tried to clean up Washington
-Handled a shit economy well (70's energy crisis)

Tzeentch
Carter's bretty gud. Eisenhower was based, BASED. Also, Nixon.

FinalAnswer
Originally posted by Bardock42
Obama

MF DELPH
Depends on how you look at it. A strong argument could be made for, say, Lyndon B. Johnson, considering the happenings during his term and the legislation he presided over (though some would argue that has more to do with Kennedy's legacy than Johnson's political leanings).

That said I'd agree with OV on FDR though.

Omega Vision
Nixon would win the "most underrated president" pretty handily.

Lord Lucien
No love for Bush Sr?

Time-Immemorial
Obama?laughing out loud

Surtur
For those who chose Obama what would your choice be if we limited this to presidents who currently aren't in office right now?

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by Robtard
Carter with a nod to Obama

-One of the more honest/open Presidents
-Tried to clean up Washington
-Handled a shit economy well (70's energy crisis)

carter is one of the best post presidents. His in office policies were horrible.

Tzeentch
Curious to know what in particular makes people like JFK so much. I have nothing against him, but I get "Che Guevera" vibes from him in the sense that his popularity seems more like a meme rather than an approval of specific policies he instated/pursued.

Time-Immemorial
He was one the greatest man to ever live.

Tzeentch
Okay.

Tattoos N Scars
Dubya

Flyattractor
Saying "Last Century" implies 20th century right? SO that would exclude both Bush and Obama.


I vote for Taft. Cause he was fat and got stuck in a tub.

No wait. He was 19th....So I will go Nixon.

ares834
Originally posted by Robtard
Carter with a nod to Obama

-One of the more honest/open Presidents
-Tried to clean up Washington
-Handled a shit economy well (70's energy crisis)

Carter? Really?

Admittedly he was from before my time, but from what I've heard was he was a terrible president but a great man.

FinalAnswer
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What other presidents have Chia pets made of them?

Q99
Hm, this is a tough one... because there's a lot of different metrics.

I mean, on the one hand, FDR has WW2 and Social Security and New Deal, all huge successes. On the other, he has internment.

Nixon has his sizable share of accomplishments too, but his obvious minuses as well.

Originally posted by Star428
roll eyes (sarcastic)

He didn't ask who the worst President of all-time was did he? So why u picked Obama's muslim race-baiting divisive joke ass is beyond me.


Obama outperformed quite a few presidents in a whole lot of metrics.


I mean, needless to say, his employment numbers blow Herbert Hoover's out of the water.


He's only 'worst' in the sense you like him the least and he's the current 'main opponent' of your party, you'll be hard pressed to find any objective measure where he performs even near the bottom, and in some he's fairly high up there.

Give it a decade or so, or maybe just the next Dem president, and you'll probably have a completely different opinion.

(Also, I find 'race baiting' to be a particularly silly complain about him- "He's black, and then we we call him on it, we get accused of being racist! That's totally race baiting!"wink.



Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No love for Bush Sr?

He's solid, IMO the best Republican president in my lifetime, but he doesn't have any real groundbreaking policies to put him in the top tier.


Originally posted by ares834
Carter? Really?

Admittedly he was from before my time, but from what I've heard was he was a terrible president but a great man.


He did have issues during his term as president, but some of that stuff ended up, longrun, panning out fairly positive, so his reputation is worse than the reality.

He was kinda what a lot of people thought Obama would be- a one term flash in the pan who got some good stuff done. (Then Obama managed to win and throw off that comparison, but at first pretty much everyone thought he'd have one term due to the recession)


I don't think I'd put him in top tier, but not bottom either.

riv6672
Originally posted by Star428
roll eyes (sarcastic)

He didn't ask who the worst President of all-time was did he? So why u picked Obama's muslim race-baiting divisive joke ass is beyond me.

Getting serious now instead of nonsense like u just posted, Bardock, it's like TI said. Either JFK or Reagan. I lean towards Reagan, obviously, for the simple fact he was a Republican. Republicans are just inherently superior to democrats. So Reagan gets my vote. thumb up
OP didnt specify "agree with Star428 or get meaninglessly hissy fitted at".
It'd be an odd opinion thread if it did. stick out tongue
Anyhow, i say Reagan. He was the President i came of age with; he was a WWII vet, he ended the cold war, he survived getting shot, and was responsible for the longest distance bombing run in history when France wouldnt let US planes fly over French air space to bomb Lybia, and he detoured, refueled in flight, and did exactly what he told Muammar Gaddafi he was going to.
You did NOT mess with Reagan.

Utrigita
Reagan and Franklin D Roosevelt.

Star428
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Obama?laughing out loud



I know. Hilarious, ain't it? Apparently, some people haven't seen some of the latest polls that show most of Americans are displeased with him. He's a weak ass traitorous President who should've been impeached years ago. Last night on FOX, I saw the highlights of him talking about guns with fake tears in his eyes. Funny how he didn't weep after all those defenseless people were killed in Paris. Funny how he didn't weep at all the people who been beheaded by ISIS including several Americans. No, he instead goes to play golf or he'd rather talk about the weather. LOL. Make no mistake, he will go down in history as THE worst American President of all-time. thumb up

riv6672
^^^in your opinion. smile

Robtard
Originally posted by Star428
I know. Hilarious, ain't it? Apparently, some people haven't seen some of the latest polls that show most of Americans are displeased with him.

He's at 45; only 4pts behind Reagan when Reagan was in his 4th January after re-election. The previous president was at 33, so Obama seems to be doing alright for himself.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Henry_Pym
Trump

But I'm from the future.

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Trump

But I'm from the future.

My manthumb upthumb up

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by ares834
Carter? Really?

Admittedly he was from before my time, but from what I've heard was he was a terrible president but a great man.

thumb up

Rob as no answer for his liberal fairy tails.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by ares834
Carter? Really?

Admittedly he was from before my time, but from what I've heard was he was a terrible president but a great man.
Terrible is a harsh, TBH. The Iran Hostage Crisis shattered his presidential legacy though, yeah. His work outside of office has been fantastic though.

It didn't help that him and Congress / the media got along rather horribly. They portrayed him terribly and shot down most of his "promises" like the tax reform.

Nevertheless, he managed to establish the Department of Energy and Education, and orchestrated a praised peace deal between the Egyptians and Israelis.

Time-Immemorial
I've always through the department of education was trash and they teach indoctrination.

Why does the government which is corrupt need to be involved in the teaching of our kids.

Local taxes at the city level pay for schools.

The government has no business in the education business.

Tzeentch
Why are states and individual cities more qualified to dictate what kids should learn then the feds, in your opinion?

Time-Immemorial
Because the people pay for them.

Facee
No love for Bill Clinton ?

riv6672
^^^i liked Clinton.

Q99
Yea, Bill had a solid run. Better economy than Reagan- or most others. No big disasters. All scandals more of the taudy variety than the important variety.




'The latest polls'? Obama's been in the mid-40s for a couple years now, he has boring, evenly split polling that's never remotely newsworthy smile

The majority of presidents have lower lows than him. And higher highs. If one went by popularity, Barack Obama is a clear middle of the pack president.


Just checking the latest, Rasmussen has him at 48, Gallup at 46 (kinda surprised that Rasmussen has him higher, as they tend to er more conservative. That's polling for you, I guess).

Obama rarely moves far from a coin flip, and even when he does he just moves back in a few months.




Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Because the people pay for them.


People pay for the Fed too, and the Fed has more ability to keep things consistent and prevent an area from deciding some failed out-of-date education model is the way to go.


I mean, some people actually do honestly push for root memorization (I.e. instead of learning how to multiple in general, you just learn charts of the answers to various multiplication questions). Get one of those in charge of a city school district in the South or something, and then you have a few years of kids being taught crap math for no real reason.


The Federal Government is just as much yours as the state or local.

Star428
These are just a few of the reasons that Obama is THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER:


http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/19/barack-obama-worst-president-ever/


The article left out a bunch of others, of course. Many that myself and others have posted many times before.

Raisen
Hahaha carter and obama. Is this for real

Lestov16
So according to actual facts and statistics, Obama is one of the best, but according to some biased opininated article, he is the worst ever. Wonder which one I'll listen to....

Raisen
Can someone please list what they like about president Obama and what they don't like

Time-Immemorial
laughing out loudlaughing out loud

kevdude
The best is Reagan and Dwight. The worst is FDR, we are still suffering from his bs. Him and his buddy Stalin took over central and Eastern Europe for 40+ years. Stealing half of Poland, and then stole half of eastern Germany. Smh. Obama is another bad one that's a socialist.

Bardock42
Originally posted by kevdude
The best is Reagan and Dwight. The worst is FDR, we are still suffering from his bs. Him and his buddy Stalin took over central and Eastern Europe for 40+ years. Stealing half of Poland, and then stole half of eastern Germany. Smh. Obama is another bad one that's a socialist.

You know this happened after FDR's death?

Bardock42
Originally posted by Raisen
Can someone please list what they like about president Obama and what they don't like

For the pro list:

Significantly extending health care coverage for Americans
Aiding a miraculous economic recovery after a major world wide banking crisis

Pretty good really.

kevdude
Originally posted by Bardock42
You know this happened after FDR's death?

What happened? Him letting Stalin into eastern Europe? No that was Roosevelt's choice. Churchill wanted to keep going as far east as possible. He wanted to go up through Greece and the Balkans free eastern Europe. Believing Stalin was a trustworthy guy he let him take the east. FDR kept running again and again as president, which was unheard of before he did it. Washington left at 2 terms, in order for America not to be like a monarchy, where one person stays the head of state for way to long. FDR wanted to micro-manage the economy that only worsened the depression we was in.

|King Joker|
FDR.

Surtur
So what about Teddy Roosevelt? Then again after watching the recent "Roosevelts" documentary I could see why people wouldn't consider him.

|King Joker|
His presidency was over a century ago. wink

I was planning on watching that Roosevelt documentary though. Is it good?

Surtur
Originally posted by kevdude
Washington left at 2 terms, in order for America not to be like a monarchy, where one person stays the head of state for way to long. FDR wanted to micro-manage the economy that only worsened the depression we was in.

This is what I always found odd though. The 2 term thing. If the people feel the current leader is doing a good job, why get rid of him? I could see if someone was trying to stay in office even though people wanted that person out, but if a majority of people want that person to lead, then why not? It doesn't mean the person gets automatically re-elected.

Surtur
Originally posted by |King Joker|
His presidency was over a century ago. wink

I was planning on watching that Roosevelt documentary though. Is it good?

It is good, but it also makes Teddy out to be..well, a dude who had a hard on for war.

Oh and I put the cutoff date at 1900 actually.

kevdude
Just because the majority feel he is doing a good job doesn't mean he actually is. The 2 term thing that Washington was for, made it so we don't have someone in there that is like a dictatorship or monarchy. Roosevelt was doing a bunch of things that was illegal for the government to do, passing all his bills that a Republic is not suppose to have! The 2 term limit is to get some new blood in the presidency.

kevdude
Someone said that FDR's success's was WW 2, SS, and the New Deal.... WW 2 was a disaster, if he stood along with the British and French and stood up to Hitler, it might not have ever happened. China doesn't have SS, but they are thinking about having it over there, when there's no reason, the Chinese have savings! That's the sign of a healthy economy.

Dwight ended the Korean War, he then slowed down and tried to contain the New Deal idea's that was harming the economy! Roosevelt appointed former KKK member Hugo Black as a supreme court justice. Jesse Owens also claims Roosevelt snubbed him, while even Adolf Hitler sent him a commemorative photograph. FDR also signed Executive Order 9066, the act that determined a group of Americans (from Japan) should be imprisoned because of their race.

Time-Immemorial
JFK, RIP

Time-Immemorial
Originally posted by Bardock42
For the pro list:

Significantly extending health care coverage for Americans
Aiding a miraculous economic recovery after a major world wide banking crisis

Pretty good really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro&feature=player_embedded

Remember the guy that called him a liar? Well Obama was lying.

You mean it was good coverage for Illegal Immigrants

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/08/senate-report-illegal-immigrants-benefited-from-up-to-750m-in-obamacare-subsidies.html

Omega Vision
Originally posted by kevdude
What happened? Him letting Stalin into eastern Europe? No that was Roosevelt's choice. Churchill wanted to keep going as far east as possible. He wanted to go up through Greece and the Balkans free eastern Europe. Believing Stalin was a trustworthy guy he let him take the east. FDR kept running again and again as president, which was unheard of before he did it. Washington left at 2 terms, in order for America not to be like a monarchy, where one person stays the head of state for way to long. FDR wanted to micro-manage the economy that only worsened the depression we was in.
You realize that the Western Allies simply couldn't have stopped the Soviets short of using nuclear weapons if push came to shove, right?

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Bardock42
You know this happened after FDR's death?

They put him in a box and burtied him.


Gosh I hope he was dead when they did that!

kevdude
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You realize that the Western Allies simply couldn't have stopped the Soviets short of using nuclear weapons if push came to shove, right?

Yes, I know that. If the Western Allies pushed they could have forced the Soviets to their demands. They would have been digging their own graves messing with the west who has nuclear weapons. Roosevelt's appeasement though and our leaders caring about life is what stopped it from escalating. Without the western aid the Soviets received, Germany would have over run them.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Flyattractor
They put him in a box and burtied him.


Gosh I hope he was dead when they did that!
I think you need to reread what I said.

Flyattractor
IF the U.S hadn't been figting Japan as well as the Germs we could have put the Ruskies down and then the world would be a better place. But then LIberals would be short so many of thier heroes.

kevdude
Originally posted by Flyattractor
They put him in a box and burtied him.


Gosh I hope he was dead when they did that!

laughing out loud

Surtur
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
JFK, RIP

I do like him, I think the problem is he never got a chance to really shine. I think he could of potentially done some great things, he wanted to change things..perhaps to a naive degree, but it was nice to see.

It is also unfortunate about RFK as well, I have a lot of respect for Bobby and I actually think he was the more intelligent of the two.

Q99
LBJ was pretty awesome on civil rights, so he's up there.


Originally posted by Raisen
Can someone please list what they like about president Obama and what they don't like

What I like is a... loooong list.

Here's an article going through stuff he's done with little fanfare








In tax cuts and other policies, he aimed for effectiveness over popularity.




And that's not at all a complete list even of stuff in the article, which doesn't cover the basics like 'cut our unemployment in half and helped prevent a second great depression'. Obama's policies have done us a heck of a lot of good, most of it in direct, numerical, I can point to and definitely say it helped it's not just a matter of opinion sense.



Lesse, what I don't like... drones, spying, and handling of whistle blowers.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by kevdude
Yes, I know that. If the Western Allies pushed they could have forced the Soviets to their demands. They would have been digging their own graves messing with the west who has nuclear weapons. Roosevelt's appeasement though and our leaders caring about life is what stopped it from escalating. Without the western aid the Soviets received, Germany would have over run them.
Just how many ready-to-deploy nuclear weapons do you assume the Americans had near the end of the war? The Soviet Union was easily the most powerful Allied Army on the European continent, and Stalin was quite firm on making Eastern Europe part of his sphere. America would have never been willing to pay the price of containing Soviet empire building in 1945, so acting like FDR is some kind of horrible shill for making a deal with Stalin is disingenuous to say the least.

Lend lease certainly helped the Soviets, especially early on, but I think there are much larger factors to explain why Germany didn't conquer the Soviet Union, the biggest being that a sizable part of the Soviet Army (and many of its best generals) weren't in the European theater in 1941, and it was their arrival from Siberia that started turning the tide after the initial German advance stalled.

Lord Lucien
I love judging the decisions of historical figures through a 20/20 hindsight lens. It just feels so fair, and accurate, and understanding, ya know?

kevdude
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Just how many ready-to-deploy nuclear weapons do you assume the Americans had near the end of the war? The Soviet Union was easily the most powerful Allied Army on the European continent, and Stalin was quite firm on making Eastern Europe part of his sphere. America would have never been willing to pay the price of containing Soviet empire building in 1945, so acting like FDR is some kind of horrible shill for making a deal with Stalin is disingenuous to say the least.

Lend lease certainly helped the Soviets, especially early on, but I think there are much larger factors to explain why Germany didn't conquer the Soviet Union, the biggest being that a sizable part of the Soviet Army (and many of its best generals) weren't in the European theater in 1941, and it was their arrival from Siberia that started turning the tide after the initial German advance stalled.

Well Major Leslie Groves expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October. I already did admit America didn't want to pay the price to forcible retake eastern Europe. My problem with him is that he didn't try anything to stop it before Stalin's forces had a chance to get to take eastern Europe. Churchill was warning of him, the Poles was warning of him, and still FDR kept living in his fantasy world, Stalin's this trustworthy guy.

He even re-established diplomatic relations with the USSR, Stalin having promised not to spy on the US but did it anyway. Germany could have possibly overwhelmed Russia if it was not for Italy attacking Greece and making Germany shift resources away from Operation Barbarossa.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I love judging the decisions of historical figures through a 20/20 hindsight lens. It just feels so fair, and accurate, and understanding, ya know?

Considering FDR had enough knowledge to know Stalin and Soviet Russia wasn't to be trusted, look what they did to Poland in the 1919-1921 war. It should have been crystal clear. Its okay though him and Stalin was buddies. wacko

Stigma
Obama belongs to the worst presidents ever list. Not sure why people mention him here lol.

Clinton was mediocre (not factoring him being a chauvinist), so was W. Bush.

Good ones were FDR and Reagan.

And I hahe a soft spot for Teddy Roosevelt.

Raisen
Originally posted by Stigma
Obama belongs to the worst presidents ever list. Not sure why people mention him here lol.

Clinton was mediocre (not factoring him being a chauvinist), so was W. Bush.

Good ones were FDR and Reagan.

And I hahe a soft spot for Teddy Roosevelt.

what makes obama one of the worst

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