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Cologne mayor's 'arm's length' advice to avoid sex attacks draws ridicule.

She blames women for the sexual assault.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/europe/germany-cologne-assaults-arms-length/index.html

Merkel says the attacks were disgusting however she too is under fire now.

http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-under-fire-migrants-sex-assaults-111748617.html

It's really strange to see a woman talk about the "arm's length" stuff. An arms length isn't even that much, if I want to rape you the fact I'm an arm's length away isn't going to prevent that.

I'm surprised she didn't add in "they were dressed slutty so they must of wanted it" for good measure.

The mayor's comments are disgusting, very much blaming the victim, and at the scale of these attacks it should really be obvious how stupid such suggestions really are.

Obviously the problem is the perpetrators. The police response was also very weak, and it will hopefully be used to improve that in the future.

Silly mayor. I mean, people should be sensible, but that's some ridiculous phrasing right there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The mayor's comments are disgusting, very much blaming the victim, and at the scale of these attacks it should really be obvious how stupid such suggestions really are.

Obviously the problem is the perpetrators. The police response was also very weak, and it will hopefully be used to improve that in the future.

Wow two threads we agree in, right on

Round up the offenders and send all of them back to Syria or wherever the hell they came from.

Just tossing out an idea, why doesn't Germany just arm the refugee's and send them back so they can actually fight for themselves?

Because most people don't want to fight in a war? Hence why they are fleeing the conflict.

Norway Educates Refugees

If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.

Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.

This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just tossing out an idea, why doesn't Germany just arm the refugee's and send them back so they can actually fight for themselves?
That you don't realize how dumb this idea is concerns me.

Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates Refugees

If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.

Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.

This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.

Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates Refugees

If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.

Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.

This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
I don't believe in tolerating refugees breaking the social mores of the places where they seek refuge. I think the key is handling it on a case by case basis rather than rejecting all refugees out of hand.

Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates Refugees

If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.

Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.

This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.

Well said, well said. I think it's only a matter of time when this cognitive dissonance among the left will come crashing down.

Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates Refugees

If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.

Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.

This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge. Originally posted by |King Joker|
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well said, well said. I think it's only a matter of time when this cognitive dissonance among the left will come crashing down.

What happened to these women is awful and we need to do more to protect women from sexual violence, and perpetrators of it should be caught and punished to the full extend of the law, however this is just far to broad to make any sense, for one, the women most targeted by the increases in sexual assault are migrant women. Surely we shouldn't ban these women who try to escape oppression in their home countries, and we should make sure that they don't come into a just as dangerous situation here as they were there.

We should also not use sexual assaults perpetrated by migrants to sweep the problem of sexual assault and rape perpetrated by citizens under the rug. If in the public conscious rape is equal to "some foreigner raping our women", that does a disservice to the many, many women who are attacked by friends or family or homegrown criminals.

We grant asylum to people for a reason, it is a tenant of our culture to help those who are persecuted in their country, those who have to fear for their life, and we shouldn't knee-jerk into othering everyone that's not a citizen of our country, because there are some bad people among refugees.

The true issue we have right now is that there have been huge masses of people coming in, and very many allegedly civilised countries, like the UK and the US have refused to do their part in helping with this humanitarian crisis. This has made it hard for countries who do help to optimally deal with the situation. If the EU would get together and make a program for taking and housing refugees we would have enough space and enough workers to ensure that these refugee camps are safe places, we would be able to always, not just in some cases, separate women and families from single men, and we could ultimately decrease the negative aspects that come with a mass influx significantly.

Additionally, and perhaps as an aside, there's another potential issue, if we do not accept any men, they have nowhere else to go, which ultimately may mean that ISIS can vastly improve it's recruiting, and become much more of a threat than they already are.


I do agree though that the left is behaving awful in this, from staying silent to blaming the victims. We should not, out of fear of racism, not talk about these crimes.

Racists are going to racist either way, in fact, they often use the silence of left media, and left politicians, to further their cause.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What happened to these women is awful and we need to do more to protect women from sexual violence

That is a broad statement without even diving into your further discussion points. It reads like a statement from a would be politician with an apology on the end. What does that mean anyway, provide police escort for women? It is so vague and broad I'd love to hear reasonable changes for this.



You are correct in this statment. However if you see a relatively small increase in population growth from immigrants and a large change in crime values there is concern.



Not everyone that has entered Europe has been refugees. It is intellectually dishonest to even believe that at this point after many news reports.



We fundamentally disagree on this I believe. You believe its our job to make these people feel safe, I believe its the job of our govts to make sure we are safe from them first. Then we can go about creating safe places for them to reside.



As an aside why are they all fleeing the middle east? Why is it no neighboring countries are assisting and forcing them to flee to Europe/NA?



If religion is the focus of persecution is race really an issue? I realize that might be how folks identify them from their region but what I have read about is not race but religion far more, I could be mistaken though.

Originally posted by snowdragon
That is a broad statement without even diving into your further discussion points. It reads like a statement from a would be politician with an apology on the end. What does that mean anyway, provide police escort for women? It is so vague and broad I'd love to hear reasonable changes for this.



You are correct in this statment. However if you see a relatively small increase in population growth from immigrants and a large change in crime values there is concern.



Not everyone that has entered Europe has been refugees. It is intellectually dishonest to even believe that at this point after many news reports.



We fundamentally disagree on this I believe. You believe its our job to make these people feel safe, I believe its the job of our govts to make sure we are safe from them first. Then we can go about creating safe places for them to reside.



As an aside why are they all fleeing the middle east? Why is it no neighboring countries are assisting and forcing them to flee to Europe/NA?



If religion is the focus of persecution is race really an issue? I realize that might be how folks identify them from their region but what I have read about is not race but religion far more, I could be mistaken though.

The main ways to help with that is increased and more prepared policing, education of the cultural expectations, integration into work life, and until such integration is done a separation of single men from other refugees.

We have a process to determine whether someone is eligible for asylum status and that needs to be applied, I never said that all the people coming to Europe (or Western Europe) should be granted asylum, but we shouldn't ban those in need of protection, as was suggested in the post I replied to.

I believe that it is our job to do both, make the population in general feel safe and protect refugees from war zones at the same time. I do not think that we should do only one at the complete expense of the other.

I believe the neighbouring countries do take many refugees, at least some of them, however perhaps they could do more, at any rate we have to deal with the issue at hand, which is millions of asylum seekers coming into Europe and now being here...

I believe that Islamophobia falls under the category of some form of racism, i.e. the Religion aspect is to a large degree a cover of "I don't like Arab people..."

Terrible events, and the response of German officials is disgusting.

Markel ramping up deportations and tougher immigration after attacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/09/cologne-attacks-merkel-mulls-faster-deportation-for-migrant-criminals

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Because most people don't want to fight in a war? Hence why they are fleeing the conflict.

Well yes most people don't want to fight in war when a war happens. Yet people have fought anyways in wars nonetheless.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Markel ramping up deportations and tougher immigration after attacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/09/cologne-attacks-merkel-mulls-faster-deportation-for-migrant-criminals Too little too late IMHO.

It's a fire that has been allowed to burn for too long.

We can hope for Germany's sake.

Or is this Karma for WW1 and 2?

I would say Karma, but I know a lot of Germans that are really cool, great people so it's just sad what happens. They can thank Merkel.

BTW I lived in Munich for some time, fabulous city.

Well hell this is some pretty shitty karma if it is supposed to be for all the shit the nazi's did. I think we can all agree to that.

I concur.

You guys realize the VVVAAASSSTTT majority of these people aren't war migrants they are economic migrants. Most polls show only 10% of the migrants are coming from Iraq/Syria.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Or is this Karma for WW1 and 2?

No.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You guys realize the VVVAAASSSTTT majority of these people aren't war migrants they are economic migrants. Most polls show only 10% of the migrants are coming from Iraq/Syria. We know.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You guys realize the VVVAAASSSTTT majority of these people aren't war migrants they are economic migrants. Most polls show only 10% of the migrants are coming from Iraq/Syria.

From what you just said it sounds like a bunch of people not fleeing from war decided to use the people fleeing from war as an excuse to flee to another country. Surely you jest.

That retarded "Refugees welcome" mentality is to blame it is beyond sanity to say that there will be no upper limit for refugees and let everyone and everything in even without papers.

This kind of attittude is as retarded as the right wing's hating on every single refugee, both extremes are dumb but the left extreme is a lot more dangerous for germany.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can hope for Germany's sake.

Or is this Karma for WW1 and 2?
World War 1 wasn't Germany's fault, they basically were just saddled with most of the burden for the aftermath because they lost.

As for World War 2, I think the allied bombing campaign and the Soviet invasion were probably karma enough.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
World War 1 wasn't Germany's fault, they basically were just saddled with most of the burden for the aftermath because they lost.

As for World War 2, I think the allied bombing campaign and the Soviet invasion were probably karma enough.


Honestly do you come up for air when you say things like this?

Forget Kharma your ability to circumnavigate history is crazy.

He's right, pinning World War 1 solely on Germany is just a false understanding of history.

I don' think anyone said that Germany was *solely* responsible for WWI? But they were responsible, nevertheless.

Now, lets go back to modern times, shall we.

Sure, some people do blame Germany for WW1 though. In this instance it wasn't absolutely clear, though saying that something is Karma for WW1 heavily implies that there was a majority of wrongdoing on that side.

Sure, if you have something to say about modern times we can discuss it.

As for modern times, I am very interested how the situation plays out.

Even if Germany has a stricter policy on migrants now, or about to employ it, I am sceptical on how they can manage such a mass of people.

Namely, what do you do with about a million (or more?) migrants that just came to your country in a spam of few months. That's just unheard of as far as I can tell.

Also, supposedly around 75% percent of those migrants are men between 20 and 40. I asssume Germany will let them call for their wives and kids? If so, how stricter migrant policy applies to that?

Also, what about the people who did not make it and are caught in-between, say Hungary and Germany? Should they be held down in the countries they are now or what? Who is to decide about it?

Hungary has already closed it's borders like a lot of other countries too, we have enough refugees already and should follow.

For ****s sake we don't even know where to put them already, theaters, sports halls and in some cases schools are overflowing already.

Humanism might be fine but at a certain point it becomes self destructive.

Saudi Arabia has an entire tent city for Mekka Pilgrims which is completely emtpy for the rest of teh time and they don't take any refugees.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Hungary has already closed it's borders like a lot of other countries too, we have enough refugees already and should follow.

For ****s sake we don't even know where to put them already, theaters, sports halls and in some cases schools are overflowing already.

Humanism might be fine but at a certain point it becomes self destructive.

Saudi Arabia has an entire tent city for Mekka Pilgrims which is completely emtpy for the rest of teh time and they don't take any refugees.

Saudi Arabia has taken hundreds of thousands refugees from Syria, they are just not counted as such, particularly by the Western Media.

I'm sure they could do more, but that's just a misrepresentation, mostly used to deflect from the issue that there are refugees in Europe that need humanitarian treatment.

The facts remain tha feminism and LGBT movements arose in the West and can actively change the socio -political reality in the western countries, while nothing like that can be said of the Muslim countries. (of that I know off)

I would agree that this cultural divide will take much more and longer to bridge than just a "cultural sensitivity" program tbh.

And on top of that we have terrorists pouring through into Europe among those who are truly immigrants. This was shown by the Paris attacks.

Even if the borders are closed, there's no telling how many terrorists are already in.

Oops. That post above was actually meant to go into the other thread. Oh well, still quite relevant here too.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
As for World War 2, I think the allied bombing campaign and the Soviet invasion were probably karma enough.

I don't know if I'd 100% agree on this point. I'd rather die in a bomb blast then die the way the nazi's would kill you. Actually it's not the way they'd kill you..it's just all the things they might of done to you before you die.

I concur. Death camps vs. bombing? Bombing seems like an easy way out of this Earth.

Either way, why do modern-day Germans have to punished for the sins of their forefathers? Are you literally mad?

What if I tried to posit the idea that 9/11 was karma for slavery or the Native American genocide? It's ludicrous.

That was a question about Karma, and Karma goes beyond the current generation.

Regardless, not even sure who started the discussion on Karma. Much more interesting topic is what is happening right now in the EU tbh.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Honestly do you come up for air when you say things like this?

Forget Kharma your ability to circumnavigate history is crazy.
Yes I am "circumnavigating" history in the sense that I'm accurately and comprehensively exploring it. Perhaps you meant to say I was circumventing it?

World War 1 wasn't Germany's fault anymore than it was England or France or Austria-Hungary or Russia's fault. It was a bunch of Imperial powers who didn't want to back down from a fight, that's all.

Riots starting in Germany.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cologne-assaults-1.3396921

I would say this is a consequence of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewWwNdi2pOA

Originally posted by Slay
Either way, why do modern-day Germans have to punished for the sins of their forefathers? Are you literally mad?

What if I tried to posit the idea that 9/11 was karma for slavery or the Native American genocide? It's ludicrous.

Someone mentioned karma, that is where the discussion lead from. I personally do not believe in karma. I was just posting from a perspective of if it did exist I don't think what happened would even the scales of what happened during WW2.

Nobody said blame current Germans. We also did some messed up stuff in WW2, nowhere near nazi stuff, but yeah there it is. If you want to post a topic about 9/11 being karma for something that is your choice.

Originally posted by Slay
Either way, why do modern-day Germans have to punished for the sins of their forefathers? Are you literally mad?

What if I tried to posit the idea that 9/11 was karma for slavery or the Native American genocide? It's ludicrous.

Good question. I agree so why do white Americans have to be punished for the sins of their fathers?

Originally posted by Surtur
Someone mentioned karma, that is where the discussion lead from. I personally do not believe in karma. I was just posting from a perspective of if it did exist I don't think what happened would even the scales of what happened during WW2.

Nobody said blame current Germans. We also did some messed up stuff in WW2, nowhere near nazi stuff, but yeah there it is. If you want to post a topic about 9/11 being karma for something that is your choice.
Even in this hypothetical situation, I don't see how punishing people who had nothing to do with the original wrongdoing is ''evening the scales''. Also, I never said I wanted to post a topic. I made that statement as a comparison to illustrate how ridiculous your comments are.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Good question. I agree so why do white Americans have to be punished for the sins of their fathers?
I don't think they're being punished for the sins of their fathers nor should they be.

Seems like it, whites get blamed for anything related to black problems.

Originally posted by Slay
Even in this hypothetical situation, I don't see how punishing people who had nothing to do with the original wrongdoing is ''evening the scales''.

Karma is a b*tch? Again I never said anyone should be punished.



I know you didn't really want to post a topic. But again..I was just going off the comment made about karma. I'm not the karma master here, I just said that if it was a thing that was real and the innocent people of Germany were going to suffer for WW2, bombing wouldn't really even the scales. Again, this doesn't mean I am saying you actually even the scales by doing that. But karma is all about evening the scales.

If you are saying karma would normally be put upon people who were somehow actually involved, well yes I would agree.

How can the immigrants be so retarded?

Don't they have it hard enough as it is without giving Germany's population even more reasons to go on a witch hunt?

Well it was Syrian refugee's.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html

"Leaked police report claims senior police officers feared fatalities and that one of those involved in attacks told officers:
“I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Mrs Merkel invited me"

And the Germans have had enough.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/10/germany-heiko-maas-new-years-eve-assaults-nationwide

I would have shot him in the knee right afterwards.

It's ironic how the German police used water cannons and pepper sprays against the PEGIDA protesters, but not against the alleged Muslim rapists. Germany is treating the scumbags with kindness and respect, but not with its own people.

If this socialist agenda keeps going, Brazil today = Germany tomorrow.

Merkel and the German government are desperately trying to tone down or censor the incident. Too bad they're powerless against social media and the Internet.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I would have shot him in the knee right afterwards.
And kick him in the balls

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Merkel and the German government are desperately trying to tone down or censor the incident. Too bad they're powerless against social media and the Internet.
It's only natural as they want to safeguard their liberal/socialsit ideology.

But on a serious note this is really sad. It's like a shadow of the Far Left policies of the Nazis.

Women should have guns.

Originally posted by Stigma
And kick him in the balls


It's only natural as they want to safeguard their liberal/socialsit ideology.

But on a serious note this is really sad. It's like a shadow of the Far Left policies of the Nazis.

You realise the Nazi's were a Far Right political movement?

Um...is socialism a right wing ideology?


As in: "National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism

or as in Hitler's party: "The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei , abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party


They even had the student wing:

The National Socialist German Students' League (German: Nationalsozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, abbreviated NSDStB) was founded in 1926 as a division of the Nazi Party with the mission of integrating University-level education and academic life within the framework of the National Socialist worldview.

lol, I made that argument to a teacher once when I was 16. Ah, the folly of youth.

Don't worry. You're still a folly.

Originally posted by Stigma
Don't worry. You're still a folly.

I'm a "costly ornamental building with no practical purpose, especially a tower or mock-Gothic ruin built in a large garden or park."?

Women in Germany should have guns

Yeah, it would have been best if someone had opened fire on that crowded square.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um...is socialism a right wing ideology?


As in: "National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism

or as in Hitler's party: "The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei , abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party


They even had the student wing:

The National Socialist German Students' League (German: Nationalsozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund, abbreviated NSDStB) was founded in 1926 as a division of the Nazi Party with the mission of integrating University-level education and academic life within the framework of the National Socialist worldview.

I bet you also think China is actually a republic.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um...is socialism a right wing ideology?


As in: "National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, it would have been best if someone had opened fire on that crowded square.

Better then being raped?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Women in Germany should have guns
Agreed.

Tbh Every German citizen shoudl have a gun, yeah.

I don't think it is going to happen, though. At least not in the political climate when the public and the politicians seem to see two different realities of what is going on in their country.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, it would have been best if someone had opened fire on that crowded square. Use a knife then.

Originally posted by NemeBro

You find Nazism funny?

Tbh people claiming Hitler to be the far rigth are presenting essentially argument like this:

"The Anglican Church is really Taoism, duh! .. Although.... the name and policies says differently... But don't be fooled!"

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Better then being raped?

There are situations that get made worse by having guns.


Though, statistically and for safety reasons, if someone would have to have guns, women would at least be better than men...

Originally posted by Stigma
You find Nazism funny? :/ Strange.

I think he finds your view on Nazisme as being on the left side of the politic spectrum funny

I see. Then he should educate himself.


"We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." -- Adolf Hitler, May 1st 1927.

Hitler was a socialist

See, the thing is, even if you accept the Nazi definition of their socialism as a form socialism, that still doesn't make it left...

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are situations that get made worse by having guns.


Though, statistically and for safety reasons, if someone would have to have guns, women would at least be better than men...

If your citizens had guns these crazy refugees would know their place.

You are on the verge of losing your country.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If your citizens had guns these crazy refugees would know their place.

You are on the verge of losing your country.

Both of those points are ridiculous.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Both of those points are ridiculous.

Based on?

Reality.

I understand you would like a specific refutation of the vague, unfounded statements you post, but a) with you just claiming something it doesn't warrant that and also b) you've shown your disdain for thought out rational arguments, so why bother.

Originally posted by Bardock42
See, the thing is, even if you accept the Nazi definition of their socialism as a form socialism, that still doesn't make it left...
You could argue back and forth about this.

I'd call that the Far Left precisely because of the way Hitler twisted socialism.

What is definitely clear is that Hitler was no right winger as socialism is on the left side of spectrum of political theories.



TBH Does not matter as either Far Left or Far Right dictators are scumbags.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Reality.

I understand you would like a specific refutation of the vague, unfounded statements you post, but a) with you just claiming something it doesn't warrant that and also b) you've shown your disdain for thought out rational arguments, so why bother.

Provide a rational argue net then.

Women with guns could save your country and save themselves from being raped by Syrians.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I bet you also think China is actually a republic.
I bet you think Socialism is the Right wing ideology?

Originally posted by Stigma
You could argue back and forth about this.

I'd call that the Far Left precisely because of the way Hitler twisted socialism.

What is definitely clear is that Hitler was no right winger as socialism is on the left side of spectrum of political theories.



TBH Does not matter as either Far Left or Far Right dictators are scumbags.

But National Socialism is not. It's right wing because of it's nationalist and conservative ideas. The same way that libertarianism can be left or right wing depending on the practitioners, so would socialism (again, if you accept the Fascism of the Nazi party as a form of socialism at all).

This may be interesting to you, btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Provide a rational argue net then.

Women with guns could save your country and save themselves from being raped by Syrians.

I just explained to you why your brain farts do not deserve that (although both I and people like Q99 and OV have humoured you in the past)

Originally posted by Stigma
I see. Then he should educate himself.


"We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." -- Adolf Hitler, May 1st 1927.

Hitler was a socialist

facepalm

Originally posted by Bardock42
I just explained to you why your brain farts do not deserve that (although both I and people like Q99 and OV have humoured you in the past)

So you are against arming women because you don't think they have the right to self defense.

Socialsim can have a nationalistic twist....doss not magically make it a right wing ideology, just a leftist ideology with nationalistic ideas.

TBH I have a quote of Hitler saying himslef that his ideology has more things in common with Bolshevism than not. Bolshevicks were Leftist, as you know.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you are against arming women because you don't think they have the right to self defense.

lol, yes, exactly, that's exactly what I said, amazing comprehension, applause.

Originally posted by Stigma
You find Nazism funny?

Tbh people claiming Hitler to be the far rigth are presenting essentially argument like this:

"The Anglican Church is really Taoism, duh! .. Although.... the name and policies says differently... But don't be fooled!"

Um... you forgot to highlight:

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.

So it highjacked ideas of socialism to put it in opposition to marxism and capitalism. Note it says "internationalist Marxism", as Hitler wanted socialism with a nationalistic turn.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um... you forgot to highlight:

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.

So it highjacked ideas of socialism to put it in opposition to marxism and capitalism. No biggie..
No biggie indeed, but a shift from the left to the right...

Originally posted by Stigma
Socialism can have a nationalistic twist....doss not magically make it a right wing ideology, just a leftist ideology with nationalistic ideas.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um... you forgot to highlight:


quote: (post)
Originally posted by Stigma
Socialsim can have a nationalistic twist....deos nto amke it a right wing policy, just a Far Left abomination.

TBH I have a quote of Hitler saying himslef that his ideology has more things in common with Bolshevism than not. Bolshevicks were Leftist, as you know.


Because I can't be bothered:

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and anti-Semitism, Nazism developed out of the influences of Pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement, and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after German defeat in World War I.

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The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.

And a Nationalist socialisme, that was free of classes but instead focus on uniting the Germans as one people, is, I know this will be a surprise, not socialisme which have the classes as the whole foundation.

have fun reading about the Revolution from the right by Roger Griffin Should heighten the education level though I doubt it.

http://site.ebrary.com/lib/alltitles/docDetail.action?docID=10053889

Originally posted by Stigma
Socialism can have a nationalistic twist....doss not magically make it a right wing ideology, just a leftist ideology with nationalistic ideas.

Okay....it does though...

Hence socialism that focused on the nationalistic aspect... Nazis.

You do realize that nothing you posted contradicts the fact that Hitler was a Leftists. He developed national socialsim as an alternative to international marxism, but he did not sabotage all of socialist ideals.

Originally posted by Bardock42
lol, yes, exactly, that's exactly what I said, amazing comprehension, applause.

Originally posted by Stigma
Hence socialism that focused on the nationalistic aspect... Nazis.

You do realize that nothing you posted contradicts the fact that Hitler was a Leftists. He developed national socialsim as an alternative to international marxism, but he did not sabotage all of socialist ideals.

Okay, good luck with that interpretation, the world will continue to consider the Nazis a far right movement though, for the many reasons stated.

I want the best for Germany and its women, so we need to start arming the women with either guns, stun guns or pepper spray.

German citizens rising up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/europe/germany-cologne-migrants-attacked/

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, good luck with that interpretation, the world will continue to consider the Nazis a far right movement though, for the many reasons stated.
I have no doubt they will, as peole simply do not know their history and politics. Plus, liberal propaganda does its work too

And I think those reasons pale in comparison with Hitler's self-proclamation that he is a socialist.

What would Hitler have done to the Syrians?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What would Hitler have done to the Syrians?

WWHD?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
German citizens rising up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/europe/germany-cologne-migrants-attacked/

I hope Germany gets out of shock fast and takes soem action. But what can be doen really, as they already have a million or so migrats within their borders.

Everyone is talking about Hitler I am following along. Now answer up.

Good lord, can be please stop this gibberish debate about the definition of National Socialism? Trying to babble your way through trying to say Hitler was in any way connected to a meaningful definition of 'socialism', or trying to say the Nazis were not right-wing, is painfully stupid enough as it is, but it's also just crippling the topic.

It's not been a good thread so watch where you bring it. Try to avoid sensationalist interpretations of news reports. For example, please don't use 'The Germans' as an indicator of 'a tiny amount of Germans'- that;s twisting reality in pursuit of a narrative you want enforced.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Everyone is talking about Hitler I am following along. Now answer up.

At what stage in his reign? Well, I think first of all Syrians would not have come to Germany for asylum if Hitler was in charge. If they were there though I assume he would have treated them similarly to jews, i.e. concentration camps and extermination.

Originally posted by Stigma
I hope Germany gets out of shock fast and takes soem action. But what can be doen really, as they already have a million or so migrats within their borders.

Germany needs to wake up soon, Merkel keeps going back and forth, she needs to abandon her party lines and lay the law down, shut the borders down, deport everyone and arm her citizens.

Originally posted by Bardock42
At what stage in his reign? Well, I think first of all Syrians would not have come to Germany for asylum if Hitler was in charge. If they were there though I assume he would have treated them similarly to jews, i.e. concentration camps and extermination.

Good point.

German citizens rallying.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/foreigners-assaulted-germany-tension-160111084237940.html

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Good lord, can be please stop this gibberish debate about the definition of National Socialism? Trying to babble your way through trying to say Hitler was in any way connected to a meaningful definition of 'socialism', or trying to say the Nazis were not right-wing, is painfully stupid enough as it is, but it's also just crippling the topic. I recommend educating yourself on National Socialism before passing judgements.


Other than that, I deter. No more "babbling" on my part, I promise to behave and stay on topic.

TI, what did I just say about sensationalist news interpretations? Your comment there and the contents of the article do not mix.

If you can't stop preaching your agenda then the only option may be to stop you posting.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
TI, what did I just say about sensationalist news interpretations? Your comment there and the contents of the article do not mix.

If you can't stop preaching your agenda then the only option may be to stop you posting.

Actually I consider a anti-immigrant movement to be a rally. As the source said here:

"Also on Monday, the anti-Islam political movement Pegida's supporters threw bottles and firecrackers at a march in Cologne on Saturday before being dispersed by riot police."

Originally posted by Stigma
I recommend educating yourself on National Socialism before passing judgements.


Other than that, I deter. No more "babbling" on my part, I promise to behave and stay on topic.

You would have been far more sensible not to take that parting shot. Take your own advice by a long way first because you are astonishingly beyond the boundaries of sense and reason with such an argument- so much so that I consider it akin to trolling. You'll be watched for such things in future.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Actually I consider a anti-immigrant movement to be a rally. As the source said here:

"Also on Monday, the anti-Islam political movement Pegida's supporters threw bottles and firecrackers at a march in Cologne on Saturday before being dispersed by riot police."

You have used the term 'rallying' as a word to describe 'small groups of racist thugs attacking immigrants at random'.

You're taking the piss, TI, and you've had your warning,

I'm confused what I am being warned about.

Using the word rallying?

Deliberate misrepresentation as part of an agenda that stirs up trouble.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What would Hitler have done to the Syrians?
Holocaust 2.0

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
German citizens rallying.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/foreigners-assaulted-germany-tension-160111084237940.html

This is a very bad response to what happened in Cologne.

Yea people are pissed. I would be too.

Violence breeds violence. They should know better.

On the other hand, if a grup of thugs was raping women in my city I could not blame anyone for going on a rant.

This does not excuse misguided attempts at mob justice.

So what should Germany do?

Of course.

It coudl have been prevented if the police was more ardent and successful in their actions against those thugs.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what should Germany do?

Arrest and deport the offenders, and arrest and punish the wannabe vigilantes.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Arrest and deport the offenders, and arrest and punish the wannabe vigilantes.

I would like to see how they do that. So far there seems to be a dissonance between the public opinion and the "official" stance. And the officials are the ones who can impose such sanctions.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can hope for Germany's sake.

Or is this Karma for WW1 and 2?

Come on.

Bardock's existence is obviously Germany's karma for the World Wars.

Originally posted by Stigma
I would like to see how they do that. So far there seems to be a dissonance between the public opinion and the "official" stance. And the officials are the ones who can impose such sanctions.

Right, but very soon the dissonance will be broken and the authorities will have to get their shit together.

Originally posted by Bardock42

May I have a word with you, my son?

Originally posted by BackFire
Come on.

Bardock's existence is obviously Germany's karma for the World Wars.

8 rapists in pre trial

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/europe/germany-cologne-attacks/

I predict a not guilty verdict by virtue of "if those ladies didn't want to get raped they wouldn't of been born with lady parts".

Only 8? Geez, good job, Cologne cops.

Yea over 700 women have come forth only 8 suspects arrested.

Bardock must be ashamed.

These could be a couple of super rapists though, imagine The Flash, but all rapey and shit.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea over 700 women have come forth only 8 suspects arrested.

Bardock must be ashamed. Turns out I actually had nothing to do with these crimes.

That sounds like the exact sort of thing someone who had something to do with these crimes would say.

Exactly

Originally posted by Bardock42
Turns out I actually had nothing to do with these crimes.

Thats because your an intellectual and would be a white collar crimer, not some silly blue collar duh.

So I was originally told that these were not Muslims, but is the religion from migrants countries? They were described as Arabs as well. So either we say they were Arabs, or Muslims, but at this point what is the difference.

Um, I think they were not Muslim or Arab but asylum seekers, which is something entirely different, obviously.

Merkel under fire in the EU Parliament:

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SO basically they think she sucks

Exactly. And they blame her for what is happening now in Europe, both economically and politically.

Farage is right. Britain's brexit will mark an end of the failed EU project.

All discussion on the European Migration Issue to go in one thread form now on:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t617387.html