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To make this fight fair, Kylo is uninjured and Obi-Wan has no help from Qui-Gon. Who wins this battle?

Force
Lightsaber
All Out

Battle field is neutral to both parties . . . plains of Naboo.

Ren will probably just freeze Kenobi tbh.

Holy shit Obi-Wan gets stomped.

Prob Ob-Wan.

Kylo, unless obi-wan pulls off some lucky move like he did against Maul.

So a non completed training Dark Jedi is gonna beat a fully trained near Jedi Knight Padawan?...Right, I don't see that.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So a non completed training Dark Jedi is gonna beat a fully trained near Jedi Knight Padawan?...Right, I don't see that.

But...but, but freeze and stuffz...

Call me when Kylo freezes a Force Sensitive worth their weight in salt, pls.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
But...but, but freeze and stuffz...

He froze a non trained Force Sensitive, that's hardly comparable to Padawan Kenobi who by TPM is pretty much a Jedi Knight.

And Kylo is pretty much more powerful than and equally trained. You really have no point. It's not like he's been sitting on his ass for 15 years.

Obi-Wan beat Maul, one of the most skilled and powerful Sith ever; Kylo lost to a sand-women that literally just picked up a Lightsaber.

Ur opinion is invalid, bro.

How is Kylo equally trained? His training is incomplete and you really think the amount of training he's had, is comparable to Obi-Wan who had an entire Temple full of knowledge and instructors?

I didn't say Kylo was sitting on his ass for 15 years, just that he's not wrecking TPM Obi-Wan.

That's sort of a skewed argument though when you look at how little training Luke had during the OT and he'd trash TPM Kenobi.

Ren is a Skywalker and his force power and potential are miles beyond Obi-Wan.

We haven't *seen* Kylo fight uninjured, we can only extrapolate, which is rough to judge, but I'd think Obi-wan in a battle.

Originally posted by Trocity
That's sort of a skewed argument though when you look at how little training Luke had during the OT and he'd trash TPM Kenobi.

Ren is a Skywalker and his force power and potential are miles beyond Obi-Wan.

Right, but what he's shown isn't all that impressive. Aside from freezing blaster shots, we haven't seen him without any injuries in any battles.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So a non completed training Dark Jedi is gonna beat a fully trained near Jedi Knight Padawan?...Right, I don't see that.
Judging from the movies it's pretty clear that Kylo is much stronger in the force. Skill with a lightsaber is hard to tell since he was injured. But his superiority in the force leads me to believe that he could defeat Obi-Wan in a good fight.

What superior in The Force? All he's done is knock out Rey and freezing blaster shots isn't really viable in this fight. It's also not like Obi-Wan hasn't shown things either that Kylo hasn't, so who's to say who really is superior there?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Aside from freezing blaster shots,


But.. That's... Pretty damn impressive

Obi wan takes sabers

Ren takes force

Obi wan takes all out

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What superior in The Force? All he's done is knock out Rey and freezing blaster shots isn't really viable in this fight. It's also not like Obi-Wan hasn't shown things either that Kylo hasn't, so who's to say who really is superior there?
He also used the force to torture people which is pretty cool. Obi Wan doesn't do **** with the force in TPM so...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But.. That's... Pretty damn impressive

It is impressive, but it's not viable in a fight. Plus we can't really say Ren could freeze TPM Obi-Wan, sure he froze Rey who has great potential. But can you really say he'd be able to freeze a near fully trained Jedi Knight who can control the Force better than Rey? Seems unlikely.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What superior in The Force? All he's done is knock out Rey and freezing blaster shots isn't really viable in this fight. It's also not like Obi-Wan hasn't shown things either that Kylo hasn't, so who's to say who really is superior there?

The blaster thing really isn't impressive as a display of power

If blasters destroy via kinetic energy, any jackass that can deflect them has physical strikes to match the KE of a blaster bolt. Making the fact he stopped one with TK underwhelming *especially given TK is generally > physical power in this franchise)

If they don't destroy via KE... there's no actual means to gauge the raw power of halting its motion, therefore not quantifiable.

However, blocking lightsaber strikes unarmed through the Force is impressive, especially when he's injured as badly as he was.



^From The Force Awakens Novel

I keep forgetting that bit really of the novel. I'm pretty sure blasters are kinetic...but not entirely.

Originally posted by Trocity
That's sort of a skewed argument though when you look at how little training Luke had during the OT and he'd trash TPM Kenobi.

Ren is a Skywalker and his force power and potential are miles beyond Obi-Wan. Points to Kenobi beating Darth Vader pre suit who was Anakij Skywalker. Laughs.

Hmmmm. Close fight but I'll go Ren.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Points to Kenobi beating Darth Vader pre suit who was Anakij Skywalker. Laughs.

That's ROTS Kenobi. We're talking about TPM Kenobi, the one who bisected Darth Maul.

Originally posted by Trocity
That's ROTS Kenobi. We're talking about TPM Kenobi, the one who bisected Darth Maul. You said something about the skywalkers which isn't a legit point. They bleed like everyone else. Maul's overconfidence cost him his skill was superior.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said something about the skywalkers which isn't a legit point. They bleed like everyone else. Maul's overconfidence cost him his skill was superior.
Just like how Anakin's overconfidence cost him against Obi Wan, but his skill was superior.

Ren takes all rounds

Originally posted by Rebel95
Just like how Anakin's overconfidence cost him against Obi Wan, but his skill was superior.
Obi-Wan taught a half insane, exhausted, starved, distraught, and conflicted Vader, and he was still losing. On neutral ground, which this is, he would have lost. Either way, this is about TPM Kenobi, who, aside from a few seconds, was a non-factors. He doesn't have great skill, and the environment won't save him. That's that.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I keep forgetting that bit really of the novel. I'm pretty sure blasters are kinetic...but not entirely.

Either way the blaster feat is a bit feat for reasons I illustrated *shrugs*

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan taught a half insane, exhausted, starved, distraught, and conflicted Vader, and he was still losing. On neutral ground, which this is, he would have lost. Either way, this is about TPM Kenobi, who, aside from a few seconds, was a non-factors. He doesn't have great skill, and the environment won't save him. That's that.
I agree

Originally posted by Rebel95
Just like how Anakin's overconfidence cost him against Obi Wan, but his skill was superior. Yes, it did cost him eventually but Anakin had more than enough time to beat him prior to. He failed, hard.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan taught a half insane, exhausted, starved, distraught, and conflicted Vader, and he was still losing. On neutral ground, which this is, he would have lost. Either way, this is about TPM Kenobi, who, aside from a few seconds, was a non-factors. He doesn't have great skill, and the environment won't save him. That's that. Kylo Ren doesn't have great skill with a lightsaber either to this point. Put Maul up against Finn and Rey at the same time and he'd meek the **** out of them. Finn a sanitation worker tagged Ren's shoulder.

Honestly, rolling with the King of the Rens here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo Ren doesn't have great skill with a lightsaber either to this point. Put Maul up against Finn and Rey at the same time and he'd meek the **** out of them. Finn a sanitation worker tagged Ren's shoulder.

I'm guessing you haven't seen Finn's respect thread. He's actually not just a "sanitation worker."

I'm not sure why this "he's a sanitation worker" thing is being held over Finn's head, when before that dialogue he showed skill with blasters and melee. So he's sanitation, why does that matter? Troops get trained for combat all the same, Troopers are first and their job is 2nd.

Originally posted by Trocity
I'm guessing you haven't seen Finn's respect thread. He's actually not just a "sanitation worker." He is that and also has combat training but got beat down by Nines.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not sure why this "he's a sanitation worker" thing is being held over Finn's head, when before that dialogue he showed skill with blasters and melee. So he's sanitation, why does that matter? Troops get trained for combat all the same, Troopers are first and their job is 2nd. He wasn't exceptional in combat and had a fair fight with Nines. He was clearly beat down. He didn't stand out amongst the Stormtroopers who Han made look pathetic on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't exceptional in combat and had a fair fight with Nines. He was clearly beat down. He didn't stand out amongst the Stormtroopers who Han made look pathetic on more than one occasion.

According to his background however, he did stand out among the Stormtroopers and wouldn't that be more a feat and showing how good Nines is rather than a bad showing for Finn? That and it's noted Finn was using a weapon(the lightsaber) he wasn't familiar with, unlike the shock staff.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
According to his background however, he did stand out among the Stormtroopers and wouldn't that be more a feat and showing how good Nines is rather than a bad showing for Finn? That and it's noted Finn was using a weapon(the lightsaber) he wasn't familiar with, unlike the shock staff. Yes, he still didn't have ample time to practice with the saber and still hurt Kylo with it. That's bad. Nines is greater than he is.

No, he was not anything exceptional as he was a sanitation worker.

"All of you should take your example from FN-2187," Captain Phasma said.
Source: Before the Awakening

"You have great potential, 2187. You are officer corps material. "
Source: Before the Awakening

After the second multiforce battle simulation, Captain Phasma singled out FN-2187 for praise in front of everyone who had participated. She had him stand and face the debriefing-and there were hundreds of them there that time, all the pilots and stormtroopers and instructors; it felt like everyone. She talked about his skill and his efficiency and his ruthlessness, how all the trainees could learn something from watching FN-2187.
Source: Before the Awakening

At last she said, "FN-2187, your targeting was exemplary. According to the simulation, you fired your weapon only thirty-six times, scoring kills with thirty-five of those. You deployed one explosive, which resulted in the achieving of the objective and another six enemies killed."
Source: Before the Awakening

She sighed. She'd had such hope for FN-2187. He had shown such remarkable promise. He had shown the capacity to be special.
Source: Before the Awakening



quan wrong as usual, lol.

Originally posted by Trocity
"All of you should take your example from FN-2187," Captain Phasma said.
Source: Before the Awakening

"You have great potential, 2187. You are officer corps material. "
Source: Before the Awakening

After the second multiforce battle simulation, Captain Phasma singled out FN-2187 for praise in front of everyone who had participated. She had him stand and face the debriefing-and there were hundreds of them there that time, all the pilots and stormtroopers and instructors; it felt like everyone. She talked about his skill and his efficiency and his ruthlessness, how all the trainees could learn something from watching FN-2187.
Source: Before the Awakening

At last she said, "FN-2187, your targeting was exemplary. According to the simulation, you fired your weapon only thirty-six times, scoring kills with thirty-five of those. You deployed one explosive, which resulted in the achieving of the objective and another six enemies killed."
Source: Before the Awakening

She sighed. She'd had such hope for FN-2187. He had shown such remarkable promise. He had shown the capacity to be special.
Source: Before the Awakening



quan wrong as usual, lol. Yes, and in the film we see he wasn't extraordinary. Rey kicked his ass. Nines kicked his ass. He freaked out in battle too with a little bit of blood. Being out in the field is the real deal. Potential doesn't always pan out in the field of fire.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and in the film we see he wasn't extraordinary. Rey kicked his ass. Nines kicked his ass. He freaked out in battle too with a little bit of blood. Being out in the field is the real deal. Potential doesn't always pan out in the field of fire.


So who do you think wins this fight

Originally posted by Rebel95
So who do you think wins this fight Kenobi.

I don't see why people are saying there's a contradiction in Finn's past. He could've worked sanitation on Starkiller base before his stormtrooper training was complete.

quan putting Kylo above Vader but below TPM Kenobi is the most kektastic thing he's said yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi.
If I remember correctly, you said Kylo would beat Asajj Ventress in a thread I made a while back. Has your view of him changed? Or do you think TPM Kenobi>Asajj Ventress?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
quan putting Kylo above Vader but below TPM Kenobi is the most kektastic thing he's said yet.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
quan putting Kylo above Vader but below TPM Kenobi is the most kektastic thing he's said yet. Kenobi isn't slow like Vader is. My opinion is consistent.

Originally posted by Rebel95
If I remember correctly, you said Kylo would beat Asajj Ventress in a thread I made a while back. Has your view of him changed? Or do you think TPM Kenobi>Asajj Ventress? Kenobi would best her in APM.

Quan, your view of SW is Flashpoint/Evannova tier, though not quite Yuzannis Zeilon(A.K.A StarWarsLogic) tier.

Nerds.

It's because quan's general spectacle of how star wars works is just completely and utterly differently than how we all look at it. I can see his point of view crystal clear, lmao.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi would best her in APM.

unlikely

Originally posted by Rebel95

unlikely Well this isn't the first time you've been wrong about some thing. Probably engrained in your inferior DNA.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well this isn't the first time you've been wrong about some thing. Probably engrained in your inferior DNA.
Easy there buddy

Originally posted by Trocity
That's sort of a skewed argument though when you look at how little training Luke had during the OT and he'd trash TPM Kenobi.

Ren is a Skywalker and his force power and potential are miles beyond Obi-Wan.

He's not a pure Skywalker though. And Kenobi is one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

RotS Kenobi fought Anakin to a stalemate.

TPM Kenobi should be able to fend off Kylo Ren, whose saber skills and control over the force (besides stasis) looked woefully inadequate compared to TPM Maul.

You sound even worse than quan. You two should compete for who can be more toplel.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
It is impressive, but it's not viable in a fight.


Well it's already been used in combat.



Originally posted by Zenwolf
Plus we can't really say Ren could freeze TPM Obi-Wan, sure he froze Rey who has great potential. But can you really say he'd be able to freeze a near fully trained Jedi Knight who can control the Force better than Rey? Seems unlikely.


Considering he froze a blaster bolt with such ease, I'd say there's a decent chance he may freeze TPM Kenobi. If not freeze him, then certainly toss him around with ease.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You sound even worse than quan. You two should compete for who can be more toplel. ad hominem attacks while ignoring the argument makes it sound like you concede. Are you conceding ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Considering he froze a blaster bolt with such ease, I'd say there's a decent chance he may freeze TPM Kenobi. If not freeze him, then certainly toss him around with ease.

lel. TPM Kenobi force pushed two droids, so he can ragdoll DE Sidious

Originally posted by quanchi112
ad hominem attacks while ignoring the argument makes it sound like you concede. Are you conceding ? Sounds like a concession to me, quan. :mmm

I concede that I, once again, wasn't debating.

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Kylo freezed blaster bolts and some random mugols. We had not see him doing that against - at least - moderate skilled Force user.
TPM Kenobi was already at the strong Jedi knight level, and his Force guard should be enough against Kylo's TK.
And since Kenobi is far, far better duelist, he stomps in sabers, comfortably takes all-out and possibly looses in the Force battle.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sounds like a concession to me, quan. :mmm He is weak.

Make him strong quan, make him strong.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Make him strong quan, make him strong. I am trying but it isn't easy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and in the film we see he wasn't extraordinary. Rey kicked his ass. Nines kicked his ass. He freaked out in battle too with a little bit of blood. Being out in the field is the real deal. Potential doesn't always pan out in the field of fire.

don't lie quan. Not only did he not want to fight rey, but she also came out of nowhere and was already swinging at him by the time that he saw her. He was fighting against an old friend that was going all out while using an unfamiliar weapon and having his thoughts preoccupied with helping rey. He just saw one of his only two friends die right in his arms. He demonstrated his skill by blasting missiles out of the sky, killing stormtroopers with a lightsaber, and gunning down stormtroopers left and right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ad hominem attacks while ignoring the argument
You literally just did this to me you hypocrite

Originally posted by Rebel95
You literally just did this to me you hypocrite When ?

Originally posted by deathslash
don't lie quan. Not only did he not want to fight rey, but she also came out of nowhere and was already swinging at him by the time that he saw her. He was fighting against an old friend that was going all out while using an unfamiliar weapon and having his thoughts preoccupied with helping rey. He just saw one of his only two friends die right in his arms. He demonstrated his skill by blasting missiles out of the sky, killing stormtroopers with a lightsaber, and gunning down stormtroopers left and right. He still could have defended himself but he didn't. He took out noobs and got his ass kicked in fair armed combat. He was weak.

Weren't you the guy sucking Kylo's dick a few weeks ago?

Is he too fond of Vader for your tastes?

Does it burn you to know he'd beat Khan?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Weren't you the guy sucking Kylo's dick a few weeks ago?

Is he too fond of Vader for your tastes?

Does it burn you to know he'd beat Khan? Nah, I just said he's already eclipsed Vader in evil.

Snoke is my guy from Star Wars.

Khan is on another level than Kylo.

Kylo freezes Khan in place then stabs him. What's Khan got on that?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Kylo freezes Khan in place then stabs him. What's Khan got on that? You are ignoring the facts here with your silly claims. Has Kylo ever frozen more than one shot at a time ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are ignoring the facts here with your silly claims. Has Kylo ever frozen more than one shot at a time ?
I'm not talking about him freezing shots, I'm talking about him freezing Khan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not talking about him freezing shots, I'm talking about him freezing Khan. Who has he frozen before they got a shot off ?

Originally posted by Trocity
"All of you should take your example from FN-2187," Captain Phasma said.
Source: Before the Awakening

"You have great potential, 2187. You are officer corps material. "
Source: Before the Awakening
That's complete ****ing horseshit. He had been in one battle and in it he ran around like a headless chicken not accomplishing shit. It's like these new writers didn't even watch the movie they're writing their books around.

Why does it seem like half this forum doesn't known shit about context.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why does it seem like half this forum doesn't known shit about context.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why does it seem like half this forum doesn't known shit about context. http://i.imgur.com/8FxEa.gif

Obi sh_t stomps.

Originally posted by Astner
That's complete ****ing horseshit. He had been in one battle and in it he ran around like a headless chicken not accomplishing shit. It's like these new writers didn't even watch the movie they're writing their books around.

Awful writting should be pointed out

Originally posted by Astner
That's complete ****ing horseshit. He had been in one battle and in it he ran around like a headless chicken not accomplishing shit. It's like these new writers didn't even watch the movie they're writing their books around.

Mad or not, it's still canon.

Gotta admit it's pretty ****ing stupid though, Trocity.

You accept Ahsoka challenging Vader, so this can't be that great of a leap for you.

Finn bitches out in his first battle and was like a ****ing janitor but now he was some awesomesauce cadet that had great potential? Rofl.

*Ahsoka
*Padawan

Maybe Vader just sucks ass at fighting idk he did get tagged by ESB Luke and was given pause by a decrepit old man

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Originally posted by Trocity
Mad or not, it's still canon.
What? Did Phasma judge his potential as a leader from drills and target shooting? He'd not even been out in the field. And what about that traitor-guy? Was he also commander-material or how come he kicked Finn's ass so badly?

I'm sorry, but Finn wasn't impressive.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Maybe Vader just sucks ass at fighting idk he did get tagged by ESB Luke and was given pause by a decrepit old man

http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/2570579909.png
Both are better than Ahsoka, kek.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Both are better than Ahsoka, kek. We'll see, won't we?

>barely beats a decrepit Kenobi
>Gets tagged by ESB Luke
>Gets challenged by his former Padawan that probably hasn't fought in over a decade (bar the Inquisitors)

Vader is an overrated sack of shit figher, Freshest. Deal with it.

excellent

You have become Freshest, Joker. I hope you are proud of that fact.

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You truly are my greatest and brightest pupil. One day you truly will destroy me. Just not today.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Finn bitches out in his first battle and was like a ****ing janitor but now he was some awesomesauce cadet that had great potential? Rofl.

Its amazing, but people are actually this disappointing in real life in general too~

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Finn bitches out in his first battle and was like a ****ing janitor but now he was some awesomesauce cadet that had great potential? Rofl. That along with testing and potential doesn't mean he will live up to it. So far he's looked shittty with three t's.