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Who is more durable, DCNU Superman or Surfer?

Please provide your reasoning to your post.

This includes durability (piercing attacks and physical shown damage) and damage soak.

Superman.
Because: he's Superman.
His durability is pretty much off the charts.
More than any other power its what makes him Super IMO; he can withstand attacks other characters, who may be comparably strong and fast, just cant.

Any others.

Superman because he is DC franchise

Originally posted by carver9
Any others.
I know, not what you wanted. Sorry.

I say Superman is more durable than SS

Superman is more durable. He can take punches a little better than Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is more durable. He can take punches a little better than Surfer.

Based on.

Sufer wins a fight, but Superman is more durable than him.


SS is the most versital hh in his class.
In a fight 7/3 to SS

^^^A bit off topic, but accurate. Now, stop being nice to Carver, you'll make him blush!

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is more durable. He can take punches a little better than Surfer.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1286963-assivlulnrr.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3686834-7186331840-34478.jpg

You people are CRAZY. Surfer is far more durable. Do you understand the forces he not only withstands, but wades through in the rigors of space? He ****ing lives there, eat, breaths, sleeps and shits.....oh wait, he's so ****ing durable he doesn't need to do any of that stuff! Surfer, easily.

Unless that's a dream sequence, there is no context that can explain Superman being bloodied by Batman.

There wasn't any context to that showing.

Lol now BAV is in a quandary.

Does this mean Batman is that powerful, or is Superman that weak???

Assuming carver is telling him the truth, of course.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3686834-7186331840-34478.jpg

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Unless that's a dream sequence, there is no context that can explain Superman being bloodied by Batman. batman was amped on venom and it was nighttime (so Clark wasn't at the peak of his power). I know it still doesn't explain how he got a bloody lip from a single punch, but I just thought that you should know the context behind it.

Either way, no selling a punch from she hulk several decades ago vs getting a bloody lip from an amped batman at night isn't how we should go about determining how durable these two are. We should take their highest and lowest end showings to see who has a better track record. Personally, I think that surfer's energy resistance is above superman's and superman's physical resistance is above surfer's.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/61327/1286963-assivlulnrr.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123678/3686834-7186331840-34478.jpg
*Insert Karnak knocking surfer out with a brick to the head*

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You people are CRAZY. Surfer is far more durable. Do you understand the forces he not only withstands, but wades through in the rigors of space? He ****ing lives there, eat, breaths, sleeps and shits.....oh wait, he's so ****ing durable he doesn't need to do any of that stuff! Surfer, easily.
So do Green Lanterns.

They must be more durable than Superman too, right?

Originally posted by deathslash
batman was amped on venom and it was nighttime (so Clark wasn't at the peak of his power). I know it still doesn't explain how he got a bloody lip from a single punch, but I just thought that you should know the context behind it.

Either way, no selling a punch from she hulk several decades ago vs getting a bloody lip from an amped batman at night isn't how we should go about determining how durable these two are. We should take their highest and lowest end showings to see who has a better track record. Personally, I think that surfer's energy resistance is above superman's and superman's physical resistance is above surfer's.

Disagree with physical resistance. What are you basing this off of?

Okay well "survives the rigors of space" can mean a lot of things. The various types of radiations and stuff you are exposed to in space both Superman and Surfer can easily withstand. They both have flown for long periods in space before.

Surfer is also tough enough to fight inside a black hole though, and in the cores of stars and all that. Both are tough, but Surfer's body seems much harder to damage overall.

Superman got killed by DD and Thanos killed by Thanos

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay well "survives the rigors of space" can mean a lot of things. The various types of radiations and stuff you are exposed to in space both Superman and Surfer can easily withstand. They both have flown for long periods in space before.

Surfer is also tough enough to fight inside a black hole though, and in the cores of stars and all that. Both are tough, but Surfer's body seems much harder to damage overall.
Superman was able to go through multiple black holes while weakened. One black hole was much larger than Earth itself.

Surfer has a poor record against black holes.

Is this really a thread?


Supes. More powerful. More durable.

^^^well, more durable, yes.

More power, Silver Surfer

More durable, Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Disagree with physical resistance. What are you basing this off of? doomsday, zod, darkseid, etc. I've seen Clark wade through physical damage based attack far more often than I've seen surfer do it. Granted, I have not read a very large amount of surfer related material and my opinion can change if you can make a solid enough argument.

Originally posted by deathslash
doomsday, zod, darkseid, etc. I've seen Clark wade through physical damage based attack far more often than I've seen surfer do it.
Same. This opinion isnt just lip service.

Originally posted by deathslash
doomsday, zod, darkseid, etc. I've seen Clark wade through physical damage based attack far more often than I've seen surfer do it. Granted, I have not read a very large amount of surfer related material and my opinion can change if you can make a solid enough argument.

Doomsday physically damaged him though.

Zod broke his arm.

Which fight with Darkseid?

Originally posted by riv6672
Same. This opinion isnt just lip service.

Did you see any of those fights? Doomsday damaged him, Zod broke his arm and I'm trying to figure out which Darkseid fight he is talking about.

OP said it includes damage soak.

So even if they were hurt, Clark kept on ticking.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you see any of those fights? Doomsday damaged him, Zod broke his arm and I'm trying to figure out which Darkseid fight he is talking about.

I've seen the fights.
I know we disagree on this point, but to me Superman's durability doesnt mean he wont get hurt. It means he'll get hurt where others would get ripped apart.

Moreover, even if he DOES get hurt....Superman kinda also has that whole 'I must protect them, no matter what!' mindset going on.

Surfer has it too, of course, being a hero, but he's not placed in as many situations as Superman.

Originally posted by riv6672
I've seen the fights.
I know we disagree on this point, but to me Superman's durability doesnt mean he wont get hurt. It means he'll get hurt where others would get ripped apart.

So you can picture Zod breaking Surfer arm? What are you basing this off of?

Panther arm barring Surfer.

Imagine if a Low Meta tier guy did that to Surfer.

If ANYBODY argues it is a low showing for Surfer - on what are THEY basing it on? What other showings of Surfer's arms/ligaments etc do they have?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Panther arm barring Surfer.

Imagine if a Low Meta tier guy did that to Surfer.

If ANYBODY argues it is a low showing for Surfer - on what are THEY basing it on? What other showings of Surfer's arms/ligaments etc do they have? you're playing a dangerous game my friend. If you keep this up, I'm going to have to save your quotes for the next time that someone says panther didn't really beat him.

My quotes are the best!

But its a valid point....for it to be PIS, we must have showings of his toughness to balance it out, no?

For example, DeathstroKe stabbing Flash is PIS...because we've seen so many examples of Flash and his uber reactions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was able to go through multiple black holes while weakened. One black hole was much larger than Earth itself.

Surfer has a poor record against black holes.

What is his poor record against them?

Originally posted by deathslash
you're playing a dangerous game my friend. If you keep this up, I'm going to have to save your quotes for the next time that someone says panther didn't really beat him.

Don't think Dark read the Comic tbh. Surfer allowed Panther to do that to get info from him and it's not like Surfer got damaged (points to the Batman punching blood from the lip).

http://i.imgur.com/tDLa7ou.jpg

And the proof is right here in the scan.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1797720-scan0017.jpg

I'm tired of posting this.

Originally posted by Surtur
What is his poor record against them?
His record against black holes is actually pretty good.

E.g., he went through a black hole filled with anti-matter unscathed; used a black hole to travel to another side of the universe; while weakened he fought Red Shift at the heart of a singularity and was unscathed; and went through a solar-system sized black hole twice, and was unscathed; he accidentally smashed into a singularity he didn't notice while space traveling and was only knocked out, etc.

But doesn't Storm f*ck him up in the same comic?(The black panther one)

Nah she tried stalling him by trapping him in a ball of lightning. He flew out of it a page later saying something about how it's folly to "impede one who's flown through the heart of suns."

Originally posted by Surtur
What is his poor record against them?
Got nearly killed by one, got koed by colliding with another and was shielded by his powers in another scene where he fought Red Shift. Originally posted by One-Punch
His record against black holes is actually pretty good.

E.g., he went through a black hole filled with anti-matter unscathed; used a black hole to travel to another side of the universe; while weakened he fought Red Shift at the heart of a singularity and was unscathed; and went through a solar-system sized black hole twice, and was unscathed; he accidentally smashed into a singularity he didn't notice while space traveling and was only knocked out, etc.
Solar system size black hole? When?

And still with the Epic stuff? What's next? Punisher Max is canon?

Marvel vs Capcom is canon because it was mentioned in a bio?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Got nearly killed by one, got koed by colliding with another and was shielded by his powers in another scene where he fought Red Shift.

Solar system size black hole? When?

And still with the Epic stuff? What's next? Punisher Max is canon?

Marvel vs Capcom is canon because it was mentioned in a bio?
It was during the Elders saga when they collected the infinity gems. Nova caused the the Supernova which created a black hole that swallowed/destroyed the solar system the Elders had setup. A dozen comics later, Surfer travels into that very same black hole twice.

Only the Surfer comic in Epic is canon, because it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook as Surfer's first chronological appearance.

Originally posted by One-Punch
It was during the Elders saga when they collected the infinity gems. Nova caused the the Supernova which created a black hole that swallowed/destroyed the solar system the Elders had setup. A dozen comics later, Surfer travels into that very same black hole twice.

Only the Surfer comic in Epic is canon, because it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook as Surfer's first chronological appearance.
You mean the same one which nearly crushed him and Nova, koed him another time and he needed Lord Order and Master Chaos to Traverse it again? That one? That black hole didn't destroy the solar system.

And it is contradicted everywhere else as FF 48 is the first chronological comic for both surfer and Galactus.

You would have more luck arguing Marvel vs Capcom is canon than that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean the same one which nearly crushed him and Nova, koed him another time and he needed Lord Order and Master Chaos to Traverse it again? That one? That black hole didn't destroy the solar system.

And it is contradicted everywhere else as FF 48 is the first chronological comic for both surfer and Galactus.

You would have more luck arguing Marvel vs Capcom is canon than that.
It never "nearly crushed" them. Nova stated it may have because she's naive as a new herald. Later on Galactus sends Surfer on a mission into that black hole, and Nova questions whether he could survive. Surfer said Galactus probably created them to be durable enough to enter it.
http://s30.postimg.org/pmcwwgxw1/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_08.jpg

Here Surfer travels through the massive black hole unscathed:
http://s13.postimg.org/673h1vm7b/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_09.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/gjprnyfqf/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_10.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/mjdirm0iv/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_11.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/jru910207/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_12.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg

It did destroy a solar system. Those yellow spheres being sucked in are planets and the Elders said "everything" was breaking apart.
http://s16.postimg.org/5q6j8ltkl/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_19.jpg

My evidence for the Epic SS story being canon is that it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook.
http://s13.postimg.org/5phywvsbr/SS_canon1.jpg

What's your evidence that it's non-canon? Let's compare.

Originally posted by One-Punch
It never "nearly crushed" them.


Nice fanfiction.




Haha, what? Nova was a Herald for years at that point.

When he gets koed again, he thought better and asked Lord Order and Master Chaos help to enter it.

He is flat out koed as soon as he enters the black hole and thrown into another universe.

That's not helping your argument.



Haha, what? The planets were not in any danger of getting sucked in.

And those glowing objects are the gems which are shown in the previous panel as well.

In fact the black hole was just there, as were the planets after the comic.

That it's from a different Imprint? Just because it gets mentioned in a meaningless handbook once doesn't makes it canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Nova was a Herald for years at that point.
Yeah, compared to Surfer who has been Galactus' herald for centuries... a few years still makes her a noob herald.


Surfer looks perfectly conscious here after passing through the black hole.
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg



Lol, you're not serious are you? Those yellow spheres were planets and in the next page Galactus drains two of them to regain his strength. The rest as you can see on-panel fell into the black hole.
http://s7.postimg.org/fi609ly2z/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/mk3xvt1or/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_21.jpg


Here Surfer returns to the same black hole after the Elders saga. I don't see any planets like you're claiming.
http://s13.postimg.org/673h1vm7b/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_09.jpg


Okay, so far I have an official reference from the FF4 hanbook stating it's canon, and you have... nothing?

Silver Surfer is more durable.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Yeah, compared to Surfer who has been Galactus' herald for centuries... a few years still makes her a noob herald.


Funny thing, Surfer never said "Hold on, I've gone through a black hole before. In that Imprint? Epic one."

But it's funny to see your logic, "Well she is a noob, what does she knows"?

Nice try.




Yeah, where he wakes up in another universe and asks where they are.

You know, as people do after getting knocked out and waking up in a different place?

Hahaha, what? Those are the gems. The elder even says that "The gems are lost" as they fall into the black hole.

You know, the gems which were interconnected?

Galactus and Inbetweeneer fight on several planets in the vicinity of the universe same black hole just a few issues later.
Except it being from a non canon imprint.

Superman and Martian Manhunter appeared in Vertigo titles.

As did Constantine. As did Swamp Thing. As did Zatanna.

And yet, Vertigo isn't canon to DC. It's a different imprint.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Silver Surfer is more durable.
Nope.

Surprised to see Abhi lying about stuff in here, he never usually does that.......

Surprised to see Titan trying to start something, he never does that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funny thing, Surfer never said "Hold on, I've gone through a black hole before. In that Imprint? Epic one."

But it's funny to see your logic, "Well she is a noob, what does she knows"?

Nice try.
Surfer has gone through multiple writers throughout his 50 year career. You can't expect writers to remember every detail of his history.

But yeah, Surfer was a herald for centuries and Nova a herald for a few years. She is definitely naive.


So every time Surfer is momentarily pulled or knocked off his board it's a KO, Even though a panel later he's perfectly fine? I don't think so.


No, the gems were not giant yellow spheres that dwarfed Galactus.

Those were planets surrounding a sun in a solar system the Elders setup. The gems were interconnected on the Elder's tiny platform above the solar system.
http://s23.postimg.org/w7cv559cr/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_14.jpg



Those were background planets, and weren't the original six planets the Elders used in their plot against Galactus:
http://s23.postimg.org/w7cv559cr/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_14.jpg


Epic is a collection of independent stories.

The SS story is canon because it's stated to be canon in the official FF4 hand book. I'm still waiting for your evidence that it's non-canon.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer has gone through multiple writers throughout his 50 year career. You can't expect writers to remember every detail of his history.


Funny thing, no writer ever remembered it.

That in itself doesn't negates her statement.

And surfer confirming it.

When he asks after looking limp and koed as to where he is? Yes, he is KOED. He didn't travel anywhere, he was thrown into another universe.

Artistic license.

Learn about it.

The planets were destroyed in the supernova.

The elder flat out says that those are the gems which are falling in the black hole.

Just like Vertigo.

So, is Vertigo canon to DC?

Because you're taking a bio as a proof of canonical status, what about Marvel vs Capcom being mentioned in Shuma Gorath's official bio?

Or Thor being 95 tones only in bio?

Because bios are always so reliable? Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funny thing, no writer ever remembered it.
The Marvel staff in charge of continuity and official hand books remembered, and referenced it in their official FF4 Index handbook.


What negates her statement is Surfer actually traveling through the black hole and not getting killed like she assumed.


Happens all the time. Surfer gets knocked off his board with a limp look and looks fine the next panel. Doesn't mean he's knocked out.


Or maybe you're just wrong.

The gems were even shown on-panel at the top of the page still on the Elder's platform, while at the same time the planets (giant yellow spheres) fell into the black hole at bottom of the page
http://postimg.org/image/hz3qvs65f/



Nah.

The planets were shown intact during the supernova and shown falling into the black hole afterwards.
http://postimg.org/image/68pteedcz/
http://postimg.org/image/xs8pc8t2b/
http://postimg.org/image/hz3qvs65f/

Galactus even feeds on two of the planets--which clearly dwarf him in size--to regain his strength before they fell into the black hole.
http://postimg.org/image/uny1fgc9v/
http://postimg.org/image/5gn5f795v/

^ So you're saying Galactus fed on the infinity gems? Which dwarfed him in size? Which has trees growing on them in the close-up? Lol


Handbooks are used as supporting evidence to help determine which comics are canon and which aren't.

So far I have an official handbook stating specifically that the Surfer story in Epic is canon, and you have nothing other than your own opinion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

This sure changed my mind....not.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Surprised to see Titan trying to start something, he never does that. yeah it's called pointing out desperation of a well known liar.

Well, at least he did us all a favor and kept it short. 3-4 paragraphs would still amount to the same response.

Originally posted by One-Punch
The Marvel staff in charge of continuity and official hand books remembered, and referenced it in their official FF4 Index handbook.


You're just parroting it now. Makes sense though.

Nope. Surfer even says Galactus saved them.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15417326/SS_v3_010_03a_zps6798bc21.jpg.html

"He did save us". And he didn't travel through the black hole. He was immediately koed and thrown into a different universe.



Here he is. Lulz @ saying otherwise.

That doesn't happens.

The next scene you're posting is the gems falling into the black hole.

Not the planets.

Those are the gems with the elders even saying so.

This is getting lulzworthy.

And here you're saying they were falling into the black hole when they are in the exact same position as on the next page.

Nevermind the fact that Surfer flat out saying that the black hole will be a fitting end to his life.



And which were not falling into the black hole?

Supporting evidence. First evidence must come from a in continuity comic.

Go ahead and post a comic scan which supports your position.

And it being a different imprint. But continue parroting.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
This sure changed my mind....not.
And nobody cares. Originally posted by Insane Titan
yeah it's called pointing out desperation of a well known liar.
Yeah, you. Carry on and see if anybody cares.

The durability of this thread has reached its limit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And nobody cares.
Yeah, you. Carry on and see if anybody cares. cares? It's called the truth about you which you've made clear with every post.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
cares? It's called the truth about you which you've made clear with every post.
Hahaha.

Tell me more about "cheap" warning shots though. I need a good laugh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha.

Tell me more about "cheap" warning shots though. I need a good laugh. the fact you've brought that up in a different thread proves I'm right with what I said about you and the blast and its pissed you off.

TBH it's so easy beating you, it always has been.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
the fact you've brought that up in a different thread proves I'm right with what I said about you and the blast and its pissed you off.

TBH it's so easy beating you, it always has been.
crylaugh

This is just amusing. Flat out hilarious in fact.

Nice delusions of grandeur though.

Surfer's damage soak and durability.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-031.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-032.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-036.jpg.html

^^^Impressive.
Anyone who says its not is crazy.

Still think Superman is the more durable though.

Based off what?

Not looking to rehash the last 4 pages, but i gave you my why in my first post.
I havent seen anything that changes my mind, though if i had i'd admit it.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer's damage soak and durability.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-031.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-032.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-036.jpg.html
Superman's damage soak and durability.
Originally posted by abhilegend
While on the other hand Superman is fighting and defeating an evil 5-d imp.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576121_2013-03-20_07-29-30_-_Action_Comics_18-004.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576123_2013-03-20_07-29-32_-_Action_Comics_18-005.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576126_2013-03-20_07-29-35_-_Action_Comics_18-006.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576128_2013-03-20_07-29-48_-_Action_Comics_18-011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576130_2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576132_2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576133_2013-03-20_07-30-02_-_Action_Comics_18-017.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576136_2013-03-20_07-30-03_-_Action_Comics_18-018.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576137_2013-03-20_07-30-05_-_Action_Comics_18-019.jpg

Superman once again took the combined emotions of everyone in the creation. You would like that Dambo.



He wasn't nearly killed in four attacks.

Originally posted by riv6672
Not looking to rehash the last 4 pages, but i gave you my why in my first post.
I havent seen anything that changes my mind, though if i had i'd admit it.

Ok. Which durability showing that puts either above the other though. Just name it. The Doomsday showing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman's damage soak and durability.


He wasn't nearly killed in four attacks.

What ft does the imp have? I know of Pre, what about the new ones.

Originally posted by carver9
What ft does the imp have? I know of Pre, what about the new ones.
Mxy pulled out entire DC universe out of his hat.

Vyndktvx was merging every timeline into one and was about to destroy creation when Superman stopped him.

He also put Mxy in coma.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mxy pulled out entire DC universe out of his hat.

Vyndktvx was merging every timeline into one and was about to destroy creation when Superman stopped him.

He also put Mxy in coma.

Do you have a scan of him merging time lines and destroying creation?

Wasn'tSuperman weakened in that scan as well? I read somewhere he was hit by Kryptonite from every universe or something ghey like that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn'tSuperman weakened in that scan as well? I read somewhere he was hit by Kryptonite from every universe or something ghey like that.
Yes. Every form of kryptonite. Originally posted by carver9
Do you have a scan of him merging time lines and destroying creation?
Read the comic.

And as imps are magical....he was hit by every form of Kryptonite, and it was all magical to boot....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Every form of kryptonite.
Read the comic.

You said it though so can you provide scans please?

IOW:

It wasn't posted in the Ownage thread, and I am too lazy/dumb to use Google.

-carver9, 2016

Indestructible cape saved him from a helicopter being thrown at him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

I don't understand why you are amazed at this showing ABHI.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And as imps are magical....he was hit by every form of Kryptonite, and it was all magical to boot....

...was the helicopter magical?

Yeah...it was dipped in magic (lol). Don't get it. If the helicopter almost killed him, that speaks for everything else he survived.

Originally posted by carver9
You said it though so can you provide scans please?
Yes. I'm not gonna do it though. Originally posted by carver9
Indestructible cape saved him from a helicopter being thrown at him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

I don't understand why you are amazed at this showing ABHI.


As ever, you're trying to lowball without even reading the comic.

I will not even try to explain it to you. Read the comic and come back here.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...it was dipped in magic (lol). Don't get it. If the helicopter almost killed him, that speaks for everything else he survived.
crylaugh

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...it was dipped in magic (lol). Don't get it. If the helicopter almost killed him, that speaks for everything else he survived.

Sometimes I don't think you read what you write.

Originally posted by riv6672
...was the helicopter magical?

As magical as the lightning Thor summons.

Carver will laugh, carver will jump and caper....but if the lightning Thor summons is magical because they were created, then surely the helicopter will also be magical?

Well thats a slippery slope, as Thor can magically summon lightning, or create magical lightning, depending on his needs.

Now that i think about it, i wonder if Storm manifests mutant lightning...

The copter was already there.

Vyndktvx had thrown Superman by himself in previous scene.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576130/2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg.html

This is the next scene of the fight.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

He didn't threw a helicopter at him. Of all the things to use to lowball a feat.

Tell me though, where did he throw the copter?

WTF.

Wow, okay.
He pretty obviously is throwing the helecoptor.
I've seen people creatively interpret scans before, but never straight up lie AND post evidence of their lie.
A real first for me on this site.

Lol. That helicopter was thrown at Superman, obviously.

Although, it was a multiversal copter (it was happening in every earth, at once)

On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.

My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance
Second. Glance.

Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.

My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage.

So it WAS dipped in magical lightning?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
cares? It's called the truth about you which you've made clear with every post.

Preach

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So it WAS dipped in magical lightning?
It was thrown by pretty much an abstract.

It hardly matters what object he throws. It's the attacker that matters.

Originally posted by riv6672
Second. Glance.
Yes, mistakes happen for everyone.

How novel a thought!

Originally posted by riv6672
Second. Glance.

Arguing Abby style:

It took an indestructible cape to save Superman's ass from a helicopter.

How'd I do?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, mistakes happen for everyone.

How novel a thought!

It's quite novel with you. Hey, some time in the next twelve months do you think you can admit that Triumph was not a magical construct of Mxy?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's quite novel with you. Hey, some time in the next twelve months do you think you can admit that Triumph was not a magical construct of Mxy?
Still nursing that bruise?

Let it go honestly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, mistakes happen for everyone.

How novel a thought!
That wasnt a mistake, that was a lie, and you deciding to cut your losses on said lie.

And that's why I posted the scans too. To lie?

crylaugh

Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's why I posted the scans too. To lie?

crylaugh


Are you kidding me? You lie about scans you post all the time! You looked right in everyone's face and said Superman was unharmed by Suneater and everyone else was based on one character saying the were cold afterwards. In the same pic, Superman was on his knees and the letters in his word bubble were small and squiggly. And of course you lied about the entire scenario having claimed Suneater drained Superman when in fact he and the other hero's discharged their own energies willingly to draw him out. YES, you are more than willimg to lie about scans. You also lie linking story arcs together and occurrances from different time frames.

So, all in all.

Abhi was wrong about the copter. Bare faced liar.

But if the Hulk throws a chopper at me, vs one thrown by Spidey....i know which one I'd rather be hit by.

Assuming I HAVE to get hit, lol.

But apart from that,it was a multiversal chopper, PLUS Superman had been weakened, by Kryptonite, no?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Are you kidding me? You lie about scans you post all the time! You looked right in everyone's face and said Superman was unharmed by Suneater and everyone else was based on one character saying the were cold afterwards. In the same pic, Superman was on his knees and the letters in his word bubble were small and squiggly. And of course you lied about the entire scenario having claimed Suneater drained Superman when in fact he and the other hero's discharged their own energies willingly to draw him out. YES, you are more than willimg to lie about scans. You also lie linking story arcs together and occurrances from different time frames.
Shut up already.

I made a mistake and admitted it.

Nothing more.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, all in all.

Abhi was wrong about the copter. Bare faced liar.

But if the Hulk throws a chopper at me, vs one thrown by Spidey....i know which one I'd rather be hit by.

Assuming I HAVE to get hit, lol.

But apart from that,it was a multiversal chopper, PLUS Superman had been weakened, by Kryptonite, no?


Lol, what exactly is a multiverse chopper? Wouldn't that be useless in space?

Originally posted by abhilegend

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576130/2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg.html

'It's all happening...in all the different worlds there are. All at the same time.'

So, multiversal.

Point still stands though. Having a medal thrown at you by Blue Marvel would hurt a hell of a lot more than if it was thrown by Spiderman.

Guys, imagine if it was THANuScopter that hit Superman.

No indestructible cape would save his ass then.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'It's all happening...in all the different worlds there are. All at the same time.'

So, multiversal.

Point still stands though. Having a medal thrown at you by Blue Marvel would hurt a hell of a lot more than if it was thrown by Spiderman.

Not if you are Superman, supposedly. And it's not like the Copter got vaporized, so let's slow down on being able to tell how hard is was thrown.

By they way, per your example, it depends to an extent how hard BM WANTED to throw it. He actually threw his medal to the moon, but didn't crack it because he didn't thrown it hard enough to do that.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not if you are Superman, supposedly. And it's not like the Copter got vaporized, so let's slow down on being able to tell how hard is was thrown.

By they way, per your example, it depends to an extent how hard BM WANTED to throw it. He actually threw his medal to the moon, but didn't crack it because he didn't thrown it hard enough to do that.

True dat.

I don't see that massive monster as the type to hold back, though.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not if you are Superman, supposedly. And it's not like the Copter got vaporized, so let's slow down on being able to tell how hard is was thrown.

By they way, per your example, it depends to an extent how hard BM WANTED to throw it. He actually threw his medal to the moon, but didn't crack it because he didn't thrown it hard enough to do that.

Lol...nope. There was pieces of the Helicopter all over the place. Dark, the Superman fan is making excuses.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...nope. There was pieces of the Helicopter all over the place. Dark, the Superman fan is making excuses.

Was hoping you'd pipe in.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't debate off of collateral damage.

I think i've gotten everything there is to get out of this thread. Thanks for listening to my opinions such as they were, Carver.

There's so much context to the Vyndktvx's story arc. I don't even know where to even begin, lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Vyndktvx had thrown Superman by himself in previous scene.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576130/2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg.html

This is the next scene of the fight.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

He didn't threw a helicopter at him. Of all the things to use to lowball a feat.

Tell me though, where did he throw the copter?
Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.

My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage.


Figures.

This is the type of blatant denial you have to deal with when "debating" abhi.

Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.

My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage. Yikes....

Originally posted by One-Punch
There's so much context to the Vyndktvx's story arc. I don't even know where to even begin, lol.



Well, go ahead.

Yeah, when I make a mistake, I own up to it.

Unlike you where "Well, Nova was a noob. What does she know" goes for several pages..

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Yikes....


Here comes Mr. Perfect "I never made a mistake in my life".

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...nope. There was pieces of the Helicopter all over the place. Dark, the Superman fan is making excuses.

Did anyone here read Morisson's Action Comic? Or do some of you just look at scans and claims to have read it?

Morisson's made it clear that Kal was being attacked on all timeline at the same time, while having Kryptonite chains wrap around him.

One of Mxy casual trick was to pull a Universe from his hat as a trick, and Van put his ass in a coma.

Vyn did attack Superman at various points in his timeline...indirectly...via proxies and schemed events (e.g., henchmen he hired in various timelines to attack Superman, set up the Kent's car accidents, setting up the corporation that would create Superdoom, setting up Luthor's rise, etc.) Vyn never actually attacked Superman directly himself, for anyone who read Action Comics 13 to 18.

Vyn also stole a bunch of powerful 5D artifacts in preparation against Mxy.
http://postimg.org/image/p3mkiw0h9/
http://postimg.org/image/723fl36gd/

At the end of the arc, the whole thing was implied to be part of Myx's "greatest trick" to become king of the 5th dimension.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Yikes....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, go ahead.

Yeah, when I make a mistake, I own up to it.


Oh really?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Or maybe you're just wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't happens.



I thought you said you're never wrong?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Oh really?





I thought you said you're never wrong?

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/tuxedo-obama-laughing-afp-640x480.jpg

Abby, take care of your health and avoid One-Punch at all costs.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Vyn did attack Superman at various points in his timeline...indirectly...via proxies and schemed events (e.g., henchmen he hired in various timelines to attack Superman, set up the Kent's car accidents, setting up the corporation that would create Superdoom, setting up Luthor's rise, etc.) Vyn never actually attacked Superman directly himself, for anyone who read Action Comics 13 to 18.


Are you ****ing serious here?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqeVl8cey8s/Up7ekxQVGJI/AAAAAAAA7EA/MoKn-ItrxxE/s1600/-015+copy.jpg

It's stated clearly that he was attacking superman from every point of time simultaneously. That's what gave superman the edge actually.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576133/2013-03-20_07-30-02_-_Action_Comics_18-017.jpg.html

Vyndktvx was attacking his entire life at once. It can't be made clearer than that.

Are you ****ing serious again? Both the spear and the coat were destroyed after he killed the king with it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eZMdqLI49-E/Up7dRPC6doI/AAAAAAAA634/TgLsDeLS0js/s1600/-018+copy.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nygyMF9kT_8/Up7dRb6Z5aI/AAAAAAAA630/menwbXs-Luc/s1600/-019+copy.jpg



Yes, but Vyndktvx power display wasn't a trick.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d3j5GZ4C0nQ/Up7ekA0vgZI/AAAAAAAA7Dw/mOLehBTD680/s1600/-013+copy.jpg

He was tearing space time apart and was about to end creation.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

Originally posted by One-Punch
Oh really?





I thought you said you're never wrong?
There is an exception for every rule.

You being wrong is a rule for example. Me being wrong is a exception.

I'm not seeing where Superman was attacked from every point in time. That was never said. Maybe someone else besides ABHI can quote where that was said.

Read the comic. It is said JUST BEFORE HE GETS THE COPTER THROWN AT HIM.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing where Superman was attacked from every point in time. That was never said. Maybe someone else besides ABHI can quote where that was said.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqeVl8cey8s/Up7ekxQVGJI/AAAAAAAA7EA/MoKn-ItrxxE/s1600/-015+copy.jpg

"It's all happening in a higher up world too. In all the different worlds there are. All at the same time. "

Morisson's made that shit pretty clear.

It's ALL happening in different worlds, at the same time. What's happening in different worlds and is Superman not involved since the imp has him as a target? What's all happening at the same time?

Originally posted by carver9
It's ALL happening in different worlds, at the same time. What's happening in different worlds and is Superman not involved since the imp has him as a target? What's all happening at the same time?


Seriously?

Can you see THIS? IT'S all happening....

Jeeez Louise, carvster. Literally having to walk you word by word.

When its Hulk, oh no, Pak has said he's the strongest, so lets take it face value, no questions asked.

When it's said that Sentry must be busting out his power of a million suns, oh no, that's gospel, can't get any clearer than that.

When its Superman, you're literally missing words and whole sentences out.

Originally posted by carver9
It's ALL happening in different worlds, at the same time. What's happening in different worlds and is Superman not involved since the imp has him as a target? What's all happening at the same time?

Jesus man, you can't be this goddamn dense!?

Asked a simple question.

True - it WAS asked by a simpleton. Shame on all of us!!!!

Originally posted by One-Punch
Vyn did attack Superman at various points in his timeline...indirectly...via proxies and schemed events (e.g., henchmen he hired in various timelines to attack Superman, set up the Kent's car accidents, setting up the corporation that would create Superdoom, setting up Luthor's rise, etc.) Vyn never actually attacked Superman directly himself, for anyone who read Action Comics 13 to 18.

Vyn also stole a bunch of powerful 5D artifacts in preparation against Mxy.
http://postimg.org/image/p3mkiw0h9/
http://postimg.org/image/723fl36gd/

At the end of the arc, the whole thing was implied to be part of Myx's "greatest trick" to become king of the 5th dimension.

It was a ****ing lie. You are two posts too late.

^ Says the person who lied about Superdoom throwing a helicopter at Superman, while simultaneously posting proof of his lie in the very same post.
Originally posted by abhilegend


Vyndktvx had thrown Superman by himself in previous scene.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576130/2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg.html

This is the next scene of the fight.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html

He didn't threw a helicopter at him. Of all the things to use to lowball a feat.

Tell me though, where did he throw the copter?
Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.

My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage.
"Tell me where did he throw a helicopter?"

"On second glance"...lol

If you can't even comprehend that simple helicopter scene, why should anyone expect you to comprehend Morrison's complex plot with Vyndktvx that spans multiple issues and Superman timelines. It doesn't change the fact that Vyn never attacked Superman directly himself. He attacked Superman by simultaneously orchestrating various events in Superman's past, present, and future. All of the "attacking" was done by his proxies or villains he hired or took control of (e.g., Anti-Superman Army and Superdoom).

One-Punch, what is your take on the sentence?

Which one?

Then the helicopter hits Superman.

Originally posted by deathslash
batman was amped on venom and it was nighttime (so Clark wasn't at the peak of his power). I know it still doesn't explain how he got a bloody lip from a single punch, but I just thought that you should know the context behind it.

Either way, no selling a punch from she hulk several decades ago vs getting a bloody lip from an amped batman at night isn't how we should go about determining how durable these two are. We should take their highest and lowest end showings to see who has a better track record. Personally, I think that surfer's energy resistance is above superman's and superman's physical resistance is above surfer's.

I don't at all, I think that Superman is the most popular character with the most appearance in a comic universe that clearly favors him as having the best attributes relative to others and therefore goes out of their way to show such. Different approach is all. Now think about the last time Surfer was show to have PHYSICAL damage. Despite so called feats, Superman has been bloodied and pummeled much more than Surfer had. Look at Surfer's fight with BR Bill, Bill was broken and bloodied and Surfer was fine. This is the same Bill that took it to Stardust in one of the greatest comic book fights ever depicted IMO. Superman's blood was draw by a quick bow from Hercules, right? And Surfer, who draws energy from the cosmos itself, is more easily able to make a full recovery.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then the helicopter hits Superman.

Or was it Mxy-powered?

Dude, you all aren't even clearly defining YOUR interpretation of what's happening, yet you want to jump down Carver's throat. Again, based on the comic, WHAT EXACTLY is happening? Is there a better explanation in previous pages?

My take is pretty similar to O-P and not Abby's squinty-eyed interpretation. He's making it out to be something it's not, as if it was a helicopter thrown from every time line at once, which would of could be infinite mass. If that was the case, then Superman's explanation that his cape saved him wouldn't make a bit of sense. So his cape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his own durability?