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With the recent migration problem the EU is struggling to deal with the issue.

Any ideas on what is the best way to ease out the situation?

Put a lot of effort into getting the migrants into stable communities, get them acquainted with the rules, customs, and laws of their host countries, work on integration and into the job markets so they feel a stake in the new country.... stuff like that.

Worse thing to do is leave large numbers of people in limbo. That always backfires.

It's good to see others making threads

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It's good to see others making threads

Easy,

Stop Cradle to Grave Entitlements.

So are you saying that it is due to socialist policies that this problem arose?

Build. a controlled compound to control the migrants coming in and out. A lot of more people in the country means they will need housing, jobs, money and that will have negative and positive effects on the world.

Not bomb any more middle east countries would be a good start.

I think if their going to bomb a country than help pay to rebuild it makes no sence what so ever.

I don't really know, but I do know is that several weeks or months of cultural sensitivity training will not undo decades of being immersed in a misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture.

Stop taking in immigrants.

Get em jobs and give em a taste of capitalism.

Lofty ideals and religious fervor are no match for the allure of big-screen TV's, Iphones and white girls.

I think they despise capitalism as they believe Islam is the superior ideology. And I wouldn't want radical Islamists anywhere near women... Let's just say feminism would not last long there.



I think some of you are underestimating the conditioning that radical Islam employs. They are not going to blend in like the migrants in the nineteenth century America.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I don't really know, but I do know is that several weeks or months of cultural sensitivity training will not undo decades of being immersed in a misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture.
I concur.

Leftist are very adept at brainwashing, but even they cannot match the power of radical Islamists conditioning.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I don't really know, but I do know is that several weeks or months of cultural sensitivity training will not undo decades of being immersed in a misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture.

Yeah, but at least the migrants will have to do the cultural sensitivity training, the citizens that have grown up immersed in the Western misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture, do not even have to do that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but at least the migrants will have to do the cultural sensitivity training, the citizens that have grown up immersed in the Western misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture, do not even have to do that.
Sorry to butt in, but you do realize your response is absurd, right?

The migrants are going to take up this "culture sensivity" about a culture that you claim to be all that bad things.

In other words they will be prepared to blend into that "deprived" culture....and become a part of it. How is that any good?

At leats you gonna admit that women rights are far more better off in the West than with radical Islam? Or even "regular" Islam, for that matter.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Get em jobs and give em a taste of capitalism.

Lofty ideals and religious fervor are no match for the allure of big-screen TV's, Iphones and white girls.

That's a fail idea, tbh. But I understand he meant it as a joike

Originally posted by Stigma
Sorry to butt in, but you do realize your response is absurd, right?

The migrants are going to take up this "culture sensivity" about a culture that you claim to be all that bad things.

In other words they will be prepared to blend into that "deprived" culture....and become a part of it. How is that any good?

At leats you gonna admit that women rights are far more better off in the West than with radical Islam? Or even "regular" Islam, for that matter.

A cultural sensitivity training is an idealised version of culture that many people who grew up in the actual culture do not subscribe to.

Of course there's significant problems with Women's Rights certain (and relatively large) interpretations and followers of Islam, but we have the tendency to pretend that our culture is fine or even ideal and it's just those evil, others and foreigners, when our culture is rampant with sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia.

No culture is ideal, that is obvious.

Surely you do note, however, that even though the West is riddled with problems, it is in the Islamic countries that homosexuality can be punished by death:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/02/24/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death/

or that freedom of religion/speech is severly limited if not virtually non-existent.

It is also punishable by death in the majority Christian country of Nigeria. It is also illegal in other predominantly Christian countries, like Uganda. Additionally there are also predominantly Muslim countries that do not criminalize homosexuality. Let's also not forget that in many European places it is only a couple decades since homosexuality was decriminalized.

Of course the Muslim countries in the middle east, and some in Africa, are extremely oppressive regimes ( though, a lot of the refugees are actually fleeing from extremely radical Islam), but the image that these people are savages, that can't understand our civilized ways is just severely flawed.

Islam can be just as moderate as Christianity, even though either source material isn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42


Of course there's significant problems with Women's Rights certain (and relatively large) interpretations and followers of Islam, but we have the tendency to pretend that our culture is fine or even ideal and it's just those evil, others and foreigners, when our culture is rampant with sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia.

This is a serious issue only in that "we" tend to be critical of what know and want to accept what we don't in the name of progression.

Most middle eastern cultures put women in a very subserviant role and not a video or 2 week training is going to change that, its going to be generations of incorporation into a foreign culture to reduce that mindset.

That's the govts job not mine, they want to accept more people thats ok but they have ensure public safety first not acquiesce to the media and immigrants.

My own perspective leans twards nationalism not multiculturalism while accepting change I expect change as well.

Why are the Syrians and Iraqis fleeing to the West? Why don't they just migrate to other Arab countries, like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, or Oman?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Why are the Syrians and Iraqis fleeing to the West? Why don't they just migrate to other Arab countries, like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, or Oman?

I'm guessing those places don't offer as many benefits.

Build walls, close the borders, and send ground troops to Syria and create safe zones.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Why are the Syrians and Iraqis fleeing to the West? Why don't they just migrate to other Arab countries, like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, or Oman?

None of those countries want them, and they will not give them welfare. They will put them to work.

The EU gives them free everything and a monthly stipend as well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It is also punishable by death in the majority Christian country of Nigeria. It is also illegal in other predominantly Christian countries, like Uganda. Additionally there are also predominantly Muslim countries that do not criminalize homosexuality. Let's also not forget that in many European places it is only a couple decades since homosexuality was decriminalized.

Of course the Muslim countries in the middle east, and some in Africa, are extremely oppressive regimes ( though, a lot of the refugees are actually fleeing from extremely radical Islam), but the image that these people are savages, that can't understand our civilized ways is just severely flawed.

Islam can be just as moderate as Christianity, even though either source material isn't. poisoning the well fallacy.

When Christian countries start attacking us we can talk about them in the same light.

Why? Proof please.

Again first 2 points.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
poisoning the well fallacy.


The ****? How?

Well ____ is bad, but so is ___

You're effectively saying Christians can be offended by Islamic extremists because, the are somehow equally shitty.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Well ____ is bad, but so is ___

You're effectively saying Christians can be offended by Islamic extremists because, the are somehow equally shitty.

The post I replied to made it seem like this is an exclusive problem to one religion, it is not a fallacy in any ways to point out that this is incorrect by giving examples of others having the same problem. I did not say we can't be offended, I said we should be offended by both, and not falsely pretend it's only limited to one.

Additionally you are using the fallacy "poisoning the well" incorrectly; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

Interesting so you just told me that most Muslims want to live in peace but you bring up the age old liberal African Christian arguement to vilify all Christians.

Hypocrisy with a silver lining double standard.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Interesting so you just told me that most Muslims want to live in peace but you bring up the age old liberal African Christian arguement to vilify all Christians.

Hypocrisy with a silver lining double standard.

No! I am doing the exact opposite. I'm saying that extremist, oppressive Christians do NOT mean that all Christians are bad.

Ok

The same way that extremist, oppressive Muslims do NOT mean that all Muslims are bad. Agreed?

Then why is the US and Europe having so many problems with Islam and how Christians in Americs relevant to Africa?

US and Europe have a major problem with Isis and radical Islam.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Then why is the US and Europe having so many problems with Islam and how Christians in Americs relevant to Africa?

US and Europe have a major problem with Isis and radical Islam.

The conversation between Stigma and me was about rights of homosexuals in Middle Eastern (and other) countries...you are the one bringing up American Christians.

I am not sure how major the problems currently are, but obviously they have problems with them.

And again, a subset of bad people can be a problem, but it doesn't mean that all people in the group are bad.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but at least the migrants will have to do the cultural sensitivity training, the citizens that have grown up immersed in the Western misogynistic, racist, transphobic, homophobic, intolerant, and generally shitty culture, do not even have to do that.

Yes, Western culture has those problems, but the culture I'm talking about has all that turned up to 11(and beyond) even among the supposed moderates. To even begin to compare the two is dishonest. In the article Lucian has posted we have a moderate guy from Eritrea who, even after the sensitivity training, still thinks it's silly that he can't just rape his wife or that women will be protected by the police if he decides to just 'take' them.

I also disagree with the implication that native Westerners don't receive sensitivity training. In fact, we do pretty much every day. It's become so ubiquitous that we don't even notice.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The conversation between Stigma and me was about rights of homosexuals in Middle Eastern (and other) countries...you are the one bringing up American Christians.

I am not sure how major the problems currently are, but obviously they have problems with them.

And again, a subset of bad people can be a problem, but it doesn't mean that all people in the group are bad.

So explain NYE to me in Colonge then of this isn't a problem wit moderate Muslims.