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Who wins

Herc wins for several reasons imo. Superboy is less experienced, has far less hand to hand skill, and has struggled with super strong bricks before. Herc as he is right now is basically his old high Herald level self with an added assortment of deadly and destructive ranged weapons.

For some strange reason, no matter who Hercules is pitted against, I can never see him losing.

where has herc been featured in the last few months?

He hasn't done anything impressive in his new series. Ask carver to post scans as he's so confident.

Originally posted by leonidas
where has herc been featured in the last few months?

The only legit fight he had recently was against Namor and he was winning that until Surfer (from an alternative universe stopped it). Now he is just venturing and fighting no named villains. Nothing impressive. I was talking about Hercules before the destruction of Marvel Universe.

Kon is more powerful but Herc has more experience and is a much better fighter. I don't think Herc's weapons really matter, though as SB has full TK and could just disassemble them.

I think Kon wins 6-7/10. His flight and ability to attack from a distance gives him a big advantage. Also, I've never seen Herc tank a pounding from someone like Supergirl the way Kon did. Nor do I think Hercules could beat down Martian Manhunter the way Kon did.

Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason, no matter who Hercules is pitted against, I can never see him losing.

I wouldn't have thought you'd favor Herc over Hulk in a fight. Learn something new everyday.

Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason, no matter who Hercules is pitted against, I can never see him losing. When it comes to marvel vs dc you can NEVER see marvel losing period.

Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason, no matter who Hercules is pitted against, I can never see him losing.

Thor beat him hand to hand

Superboy.

Originally posted by leonidas
where has herc been featured in the last few months?


Try his title book.

Originally posted by deathslash
Herc wins for several reasons imo. Superboy is less experienced, has far less hand to hand skill, and has struggled with super strong bricks before. Herc as he is right now is basically his old high Herald level self with an added assortment of deadly and destructive ranged weapons.
Hercules was never a high herald. What are you talking about?

Superboy wins.

Hercules is physically a high Herald.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules was never a high herald. What are you talking about?

Superboy wins. you thinking that superboy wins is fine, but saying that he isn't a legit high Herald is just an idiot notion.

Originally posted by zopzop
Superboy.

Herc has incalculable strength. SB, not even close. Herc is a premier hand to hand fighter. This is spite.

Originally posted by deathslash
you thinking that superboy wins is fine, but saying that he isn't a legit high Herald is just an idiot notion.
Even BRB isn't a high herald.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Herc has incalculable strength. SB, not even close. Herc is a premier hand to hand fighter. This is spite.
So does Superboy. Hercules can't even touch him due to his TTK.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So does Superboy. Hercules can't even touch him due to his TTK. you forgetting that he has ranged weapons or are you trying to ignore it?

what's nu 52 kon done?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So does Superboy. Hercules can't even touch him due to his TTK.


So he is going to play keep away like a little *****?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even BRB isn't a high herald.

What are you talking about?


High herald is a termed opinion and you are acting as if it's fact. Superman isn't a high herald, there are plenty heralds above him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
High herald is a termed opinion and you are acting as if it's fact. Superman isn't a high herald, there are plenty heralds above him. Superman is way above heralds.

Originally posted by deathslash
you forgetting that he has ranged weapons or are you trying to ignore it?

I already covered this. Kon could simply disassemble Hercules' weapons.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman is way above heralds.


He's below a few like Surfer, Supreme, Sentry, Mr. Majestic, Spawn, Runner, Anointed One, Blue Marvel, Hyperstorm, etc.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
I already covered this. Kon could simply disassemble Hercules' weapons.


Has he ever used his TP in that way or is this theory?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Has he ever used his TP in that way or is this theory?

He easily ripped the cybernetics out of Grunge, as well as destroying the weapons of some prison guards. So yes, he's done it before.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's below a few like Surfer, Supreme, Sentry, Mr. Majestic, Spawn, Runner, Anointed One, Blue Marvel, Hyperstorm, etc. Nope.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor beat him hand to hand When?

Originally posted by 80sBaby
He easily ripped the cybernetics out of Grunge, as well as destroying the weapons of some prison guards. So yes, he's done it before.

Great, too bad he can't hurt Herc who is demonstrably stronger, more durable, more skills and astronomically more experienced.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Great, too bad he can't hurt Herc who is demonstrably stronger, more durable, more skills and astronomically more experienced.

He's hurt Supergirl and demolished MM, both of who are comparable to Hercules in terms of durability and strength. So...

Superboy speed blitz him.


There is no argument otherwise.


I love Herc though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superboy speed blitz him.


There is no argument otherwise.


I love Herc though. who has he speed blitzed that's in herc's weight class? We all know that superman speed blitzing characters usually doesn't put them down, so I'm just wondering if superboy was ever successful with his.

Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason, no matter who Hercules is pitted against, I can never see him losing.

You make this way too easy Carver.

Originally posted by deathslash
you forgetting that he has ranged weapons or are you trying to ignore it?
Like what? His sword which can't touch him?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's below a few like Surfer, Supreme, Sentry, Mr. Majestic, Spawn, Runner, Anointed One, Blue Marvel, Hyperstorm, etc. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He's below a few like Surfer, Supreme, Sentry, Mr. Majestic, Spawn, Runner, Anointed One, Blue Marvel, Hyperstorm, etc.
Bwahaha.

Originally posted by deathslash
who has he speed blitzed that's in herc's weight class? We all know that superman speed blitzing characters usually doesn't put them down, so I'm just wondering if superboy was ever successful with his.

Why would he need to speedblitz here? He oneshotted J'onn and incapacitated Supergirl with one TK blast.

Herc is toast here.

And for anybody interested, here is a weakened and dying Superboy ripping off an entire city and throwing it into space.

http://i.imgur.com/ZaEapCb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KawXkEa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRPIvs7.jpg

Krypton was specifically stated to be so huge and gravity do powerful that no space travel was possible with rockets.

This is self explanatory.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796622_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-030.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796623_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-031.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796624_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-032.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796625_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-033.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796626_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-034.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796627_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-035.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22796628_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-036.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would he need to speedblitz here? He oneshotted J'onn and incapacitated Supergirl with one TK blast.

Herc is toast here.

He didn't oneshot J'onn. Why must you lie?

Originally posted by 80sBaby
He didn't oneshot J'onn. Why must you lie? Why does it matter if J'onn was out after the first punch, or the 3rd? He was in the fencing position, defenseless after the first.

It's the same J'onn who treated Apollo like this:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654309-2.png

That same Apollo was 'Superman-class', which I know carver likes the sound of.

Also, Thor vs Hercules:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHercules45.jpg

Originally posted by 80sBaby
He didn't oneshot J'onn. Why must you lie?
J'onn was incapacitated with one punch.

He didn't even react to any other attack. What are you talking about?

Because words actually have meaning.

Originally posted by abhilegend
J'onn was incapacitated with one punch.

He didn't even react to any other attack. What are you talking about?

What you posted isn't a "oneshot." Period. Use your words correctly.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
What you posted isn't a "oneshot." Period. Use your words correctly.
Yes, it is. J'onn was incapacitated in just one punch. Superboy followed up with a flurry of punches which were overkill.

J'onn didn't even react to any other punch. He was too busy being knocked out.

Incorrect. The blitz was too fast for him to react to but he wasn't KOd in just one hit. You always use this term incorrectly to hype some feat.

He was in the fencing position. I'm sure you know what that is. If he could mount a defense, he would have. You might aswell call it a one-shot.

It's debating semantics, either way. Hercules is not faster than J'onn. If you say he couldn't react to Superboy, neither could Hercules.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Incorrect. The blitz was too fast for him to react to but he wasn't KOd in just one hit. You always use this term incorrectly to hype some feat.
Dude, at this point I don't even know what are you talking about.

What blitz?

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22796626_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-034.jpg

J'onn is limp after one punch to the point he is not even offering any resistance. Kon follows with two more punches in the same position.

What a blitz!

Originally posted by deathslash
who has he speed blitzed that's in herc's weight class? We all know that superman speed blitzing characters usually doesn't put them down, so I'm just wondering if superboy was ever successful with his.

This is is an odd question.

Superboy has easily hurt people to say he can hurt Hercules.

He is also immensely fast enough to the point where Herc could never hit him if Superboy doesn't want to be hit, and that's enough to say he could wear Herc down over time.

In a fight, speed kills. You see what Ali did to people while only have a maybe 20% advantage in reflexes/speed? Superboy is...at least thousands of times faster than Herc, the guy that bullet-timer Spidey can dance around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dude, at this point I don't even know what are you talking about.

What blitz?

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22796626_Teen_Titans_2014-_-_Annual_001-034.jpg

J'onn is limp after one punch to the point he is not even offering any resistance. Kon follows with two more punches in the same position.

What a blitz!

Um, multiple (as in more than 1) punches at high speed IS a blitz. Not sure how that's ar all confusing.

A "oneshot" is a single punch. Period. Not multiple ones.

Philo, I already said Superboy wins.

I'm debating abhi's incorrect usage of the term "oneshot," which he has a bad habit of.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Philo, I already said Superboy wins.

I'm debating abhi's incorrect usage of the term "oneshot," which he has a bad habit of. Meh. Even if he wasn't out out after the first hit, it's as close as possible to that. I mean look at his body position and his incapacity to defend himself. You should be able to call this a one-shot and not bat an eye.

I, obviously, disagree.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Um, multiple (as in more than 1) punches at high speed IS a blitz. Not sure how that's ar all confusing.

A "oneshot" is a single punch. Period. Not multiple ones.
A blitz is a flurry of punches where the opposite character is unable to defend himself even though they are conscious.

Here Kon knocked J'onn out and followed up with some more attacks which were entirely meaningless as J'onn was already koed.

Surely you can see the difference. Originally posted by 80sBaby
Philo, I already said Superboy wins.

I'm debating abhi's incorrect usage of the term "oneshot," which he has a bad habit of.
Dude, get off your high horse.

It's not my problem you can't see a ko when it's staring into your face.

Put it this way.

Martian Manhunter is a shapeshifter. Agree?

His shape is determined by his consciousness. Agree?

In that scan, after one punch, his face is deformed like melted candle wax. Agree?

Therefore, he has lost consciousness.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A blitz is a flurry of punches where the opposite character is unable to defend himself even though they are conscious.

Here Kon knocked J'onn out and followed up with some more attacks which were entirely meaningless as J'onn was already koed.

Surely you can see the difference.
Dude, get off your high horse.

It's not my problem you can't see a ko when it's staring into your face.

Except there's nothing proving J'onn was KO'd after the first punch.

Not my fault you constantly lie and misrepresent scans.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Put it this way.

Martian Manhunter is a shapeshifter. Agree?

His shape is determined by his consciousness. Agree?

In that scan, after one punch, his face is deformed like melted candle wax. Agree?

Therefore, he has lost consciousness.

J'onn doesn't turn into a pile of goo while knocked unconscious.

At best, he lost focus which would actually better explain his deformity.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
J'onn doesn't turn into a pile of goo while knocked unconscious.

At best, he lost focus which would actually better explain his deformity.

He does when he loses control of himself.

Edit (after your addendum): and why would he lose focus when he's just been punched? Thinking about the shopping?

Yes, there is. Learn how to read.

Like I said, get off your high horse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, there is. Learn how to read.

Like I said, get off your high horse.

No there isn't.

Did you just learn that phrase?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He does when he loses control of himself.

Edit (after your addendum): and why would he lose focus when he's just been punched? Thinking about the shopping?

Because he was punched hard as hell. I'm not disputing that.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
No there isn't.

Did you just learn that phrase?
So "No you"?

That's your whole response?

Yeah, learn to read.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Because he was punched hard as hell. I'm not disputing that.
And got incapacitated to the point he was unable to form any defense and limp on the floor.

Yeah, looks like he got oneshotted.

Why the hell is this even argued? What relevance does it if Superboy's punch got J'onn 99% knocked out, or 100%. Does that change the outcome of the thread?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So "No you"?

That's your whole response?

Yeah, learn to read.

Irony.

Well, 80sBaby has to oppose me. Somehow.

I would just add that superboy was talking while he was walking in the room where he beat the snot out of jonn,so NO it wasn't as blindsided as some here would lead others to believe.

Oh and it's been proven now that MM can NOT stand up to kryptonians,or pseudo kryptonians physically.

Originally posted by stephens2177
I would just add that superboy was talking while he was walking in the room where he beat the snot out of jonn,so NO it wasn't as blindsided as some here would lead others to believe.

Oh and it's been proven now that MM can NOT stand up to kryptonians,or pseudo kryptonians physically. Yeah, Zod also made the clear.