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So who thinks Maul will have finally surpassed Count Dooku in Power?

Probably. TCW Maul probably could give Dooku hell and I expect Maul will have a far greater mastery of the dark side in Rebels then in TCW.

I wouldn't rule it out... he tends to come back stronger in each incarnation and now has access to additional Sith resources.

Inb4 Maul can use Force lightning. haermm

I think he'll progress up to Anakin saber standards and give him problems there, but very doubtful that he'll ever get near him in terms of force ability.

He's already near him in terms of Force ability.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So who thinks Maul will have finally surpassed Count Dooku in Power? So you've already conceded I was correct about Maul the character I've always supported. My victory over you is complete.

Originally posted by Kurk
I think he'll progress up to Anakin saber standards and give him problems there, but very doubtful that he'll ever get near him in terms of force ability. Dude, Kenobi beat Darth Vader.

Maul has always been better than Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So who thinks Maul will have finally surpassed Count Dooku in Power? If Maul hasn't surpassed Dooku by now it would be downright laughable. He's spent the better part of two decades in isolation, presumably doing nothing but study the dark side. He should be > Dooku by now.

That said: Dooku had mastered force lightning at some point in the 10 year gap between TPM and AotC. Really no reason to think that Maul can't have done the same, given that he's had far more time to study the dark side and whatnot. /shrug

The only truly viable explanation for him not surpassing Dooku is having a chunk of his midichlorians removed, otherwise... we're talking about someone who was already on Dooku's level with less than half the training and experience.

Maybe his legs rusted, ILS. Did you think of that?

If Maul's literally sitting inside a Sith Temple on persumbly Malachor for over a dozen years, he better have surpassed Dooku.

That being said, I think Maul will fit the anti-Ben Kenobi mold (dark mentor yet masterful in the Force) instead of being portrayed a great warrior.

Originally posted by Kurk
I think he'll progress up to Anakin saber standards and give him problems there, but very doubtful that he'll ever get near him in terms of force ability.

maybe maul has mellowed out after all he seemed nice to ezra

Hmm. He should be above dooku.

But then again we've not enough information on new canon dooku to judge as whole.

For now though, we'll see what Maul offers.

Dooku stomps.

Voice actor of Kanan said Vader would rape Maul prime, lmfao.

We won't be seeing Maul vs Vader any time soon.

"Easy, easy, easy. Vader is the best, you guys. Vader is the best."

Oh well. Looks like Maul will return just to get his butt kicked again. Shame.

You're really gonna take that at face value? Rather than see what happens?

lmfao ^

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
lmfao ^

Still don't know what you're laughing at.

Because it has yet to be proved, anything that has been said.

I think Maul will have regressed, personally. He looks old, humbled and weak to me.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
You're really gonna take that at face value? Rather than see what happens?


Well it's not a good sign is it? I mean whatever scripts he's reading he's way ahead of us on the know how of how good this new Maul is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Maul will have regressed, personally. He looks old, humbled and weak to me. So did Yoda. srug

I think Ant's initial impression was right, that he'll be the dark side equivalent of Old Ben.

I'm cool with them keeping Maul and Kenobi as equals and opposites.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If Maul's literally sitting inside a Sith Temple on persumbly Malachor for over a dozen years, he better have surpassed Dooku.

Inb4 proof that Revan's malachor knowledge is meaningless before Dooku's might.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Maul will have regressed, personally. He looks old, humbled and weak to me.

Originally posted by Galan007
So did Yoda. srug

For all we know, Yoda did regress. Was RotS his prime?

Also, Maul is no Yoda.

Originally posted by Nephthys
For all we know, Yoda did regress. Was RotS his prime?

Also, Maul is no Yoda. You're missing the point. I'm not saying that Maul didn't regress(though it does seem unlikely.) I'm just saying that his seemingly poor physical appearance is not indicative of a decrease in power. That simply isn't how things work in the SW-verse.

Regardless, it's reasonable to think that Maul isn't in his physical prime anymore; it's been what, 16+ years since SoD?

^ Age isn't the end-all/be-all either.

Dooku, for example, was in his 80s when he died.

Yeah and Palpatine's still 30+ years older than Maul.

But with Old Maul they might go the Old Ben route of older is weaker.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah and Palpatine's still 30+ years older than Maul.

But with Old Maul they might go the Old Ben route of older is weaker. They could definitely go that route... And I'm not excluding that as a possibility.

Just pointing out that things like physical appearance and age do not automatically mean anything in regard to power. In the SW-verse someone can look like absolute shit and be old as hell, yet still wield more power/skill than ever.


And I'm pretty sure that Maul would only be in his early 50s by the Rebels-era. That's still relatively young for a Jedi/Sith. /shrug

I said physical prime not his ability as a whole. In a pure lightsaber battle, an 80 year old Dooku isn't going to win to his younger self (assuming the former hasn't increased in swordsman skill). Of course Dooku was able to compensate by staying in great shape and augmenting with the force.

Sidious is extremely frail and looks like sh** but kept an edge because he was able to speed blitz most and augment his strength (accredited to him for being the most powerful Sith).

I know but in Mauls case it's just FPJ's statements giving me doubts he'll have another Power upgrade.

He seems to think Ahsoka could take Maul, and that Maul would just be easy pickings for Vader.

Of course it should be noted FPJ's also of the opinion that Ahsoka would take Kenobi in a fight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course it should be noted FPJ's also of the opinion that Ahsoka would take Kenobi in a fight.

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I don't think Maul decreasing in physicality really makes sense.

1. Guy is, and always has been, in ridiculous physical shape even disregarding the Force. He's not likely to let that stagnate, it's quite literally programmed into him to maintain physical fitness.

2. He's immensely strong in the Force; more so than Kenobi. To the point he can go into exile in a literal shithole for 12 years, after being cut in half, letting insanity take hold, and can return to optimal levels within days/weeks of returning just due to his Force power.

3. The difference between Old Ben and Old Master is one did pretty much nothing with himself, and is weaker in the Force anyway, while the other is still active in the galaxy, seeking power in Sith temples and is of the type of Force strength/potential to suggest that 50 isn't going to be the age cap where his physicals start decreasing.

Maul decreasing in any areas just doesn't make sense to me given the circumstances. If I was to decide he'd get another bump up in raw power and would have learned some new dark side techniques; maybe lightning. Everything else would stay the same more or less, though he might be a bit more driven and focused.

While I don't think it's remotely likely, I would love to see a brutal Vader vs Maul fight.

If Maul was in peak condition, I see no reason why FPJ would say that Maul would lose to Ahsoka then, tbh.

Originally posted by ILS
I don't think Maul decreasing in physicality really makes sense.

1. Guy is, and always has been, in ridiculous physical shape even disregarding the Force. He's not likely to let that stagnate, it's quite literally programmed into him to maintain physical fitness.

2. He's immensely strong in the Force; more so than Kenobi. To the point he can go into exile in a literal shithole for 12 years, after being cut in half, letting insanity take hold, and can return to optimal levels within days/weeks of returning just due to his Force power.

3. The difference between Old Ben and Old Master is one did pretty much nothing with himself, and is weaker in the Force anyway, while the other is still active in the galaxy, seeking power in Sith temples and is of the type of Force strength/potential to suggest that 50 isn't going to be the age cap where his physicals start decreasing.

Maul decreasing in any areas just doesn't make sense to me given the circumstances. If I was to decide he'd get another bump up in raw power and would have learned some new dark side techniques; maybe lightning. Everything else would stay the same more or less, though he might be a bit more driven and focused.
Not to mention there's half of his body that gets to escape the organic aging process.

I do like his metal legs.

Take the brain of Old Master Maul, clone it and put it in the body of SoD Maul.

SoD likely wins

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
While I don't think it's remotely likely, I would love to see a brutal Vader vs Maul fight.

If Maul was in peak condition, I see no reason why FPJ would say that Maul would lose to Ahsoka then, tbh. He thinks she's one of the top-dog fighters, but I wonder if that's more due to his observations on her abilities or if Dave wanks her to those levels. If she does very well against Vader that could probably explain why he thinks that, because he obviously has a very high opinion of him as well.

Yeah, he said he thinks that she is in the top three or four Jedi in combat ability of all time.

So for him to say he thinks Maul loses to her isn't a big deal.

Yeah and He reckons Ahsoka could take Kenobi as well. So FPJ just seems to be a major Ahsoka fanboy tbh.

But then so is Filoni, and he's in charge of Rebels.

inb4 Vader >/= Ben Kenobi > Rebels Ahsoka > Maul/CW Kenobi

Ye of little faith.

All depends od Disney's interpretation of Vader's power, and how well Maul will do against him (with the assumption, that he wont be killed by Kenobi)

Under Disney, Vader is pretty much guaranteed to be > Maul. But yeah nothing to say Old Master Maul can't do well against Vader before being taken out. Well nothing except FPJ.

Yeah. But as I remember, there was a statement, that sadi that Vader after Mustafar is more like Dooku and Maul, just Palpatine's servant or smth like that?
Anyway, if they will show Vader as clearly inferior to Sidious, then Maul's performance against Vader wont be much of a proof for his eventual superiority over Dooku.

^ That was an old statement of Lucas's, which was a pretty vague statement anyway.

Under Disney though Vader and Palpatine are clearly the 2 top Sith in the PT/OT era. And I'd say Vader's not too far below Palpatine tbh. But no other Dark Sider (sans the Ones) will be their equals.

Wasn't Filoni the one, that said something similar at the beggining of creating "Rebels"?
Anyway, the difference between them is more similar then their positions on the actual list.
Palpatine might be top1, Vader top2 and Dooku or Maul top3. But still, Vader might be marginally above Dooku or Maul, and Sidious might be far superior to Vader. In that scenario Maul's performance against Vader wont be that important.
But if Vader is nearly Palpatine's equal, then Mauls performance against him will be a very important thing.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Under Disney, Vader is pretty much guaranteed to be > Maul. But yeah nothing to say Old Master Maul can't do well against Vader before being taken out. Well nothing except FPJ. Wait and see.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait and see.
If only quan were here now.

Maul fled, broken in body and spirit, I don't think he will reach the potential he had. Ahsoka should be quite above him and Vader a good deal above both. He certainly won't reach Dookus LS skills nor his mastery of the force (Dooku was a Light side master and mastered the Dark side too.)

Based on last night we see his about equal or slightly superior to Ahsoka but if that reflects his skill now, he definitely isn't on Dooku level.

kek, Ahsoka did better against Vader than Dooku would, so that's some shit logic.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
kek, Ahsoka did better against Vader than Dooku would, so that's some shit logic.

That's just not true. And Maul is weaker than Ahsoka.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Maul will have regressed, personally. He looks old, humbled and weak to me.

^ Oh gosh, look at dat.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's just not true. And Maul is weaker than Ahsoka imo.
The **** it isn't. Vader in his prime would destroy Dooku, just as Anakin was able to when he was far weaker. Get over it already. And Maul has done dick to show himself to be above Ahsoka besides getting shit on.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The **** it isn't. Vader in his prime would destroy Dooku, just as Anakin was able to when he was far weaker. Get over it already. And Maul has done dick to show himself to be above Ahsoka besides getting shit on.


LOL the salt. Even Yoda couldn't demolish Dooku like you are suggesting. The idea that Vader would is just hilarious. And yeah Maul is weaker than Ahsoka, glad we can agree. And if you are really gonna suggest Ahsoka is stronger than Dooku....

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
kek, Ahsoka did better against Vader than Dooku would, so that's some shit logic.

What makes you say that. Dock has way more experience, and overall skill with the blade. His power in the force is greater than Ahsoka's based on feats. Ashoka has done nothing that Dooku hasn't shown he can't replicate or hasn't already done better. Fending off Vader, both would be destroyed, but Dooku has more skill experience, and power in the force, so he would last longer against Vader in a 1v1 battle.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And if you are really gonna suggest Ahsoka is stronger than Dooku.... https://secure.static.tumblr.com/1f86b5b86afee02c7b15a1af99d474a7/gsw0r54/i9fnwsep7/tumblr_static_tumblr_static__640.gif

Originally posted by |King Joker|
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She's good don't get me wrong. Firmly above the likes of Savage and Ventress. Not that high though.

Following on from this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t627357.html

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Poor Beni when checked this thread he thought he'd get an actual reply, but no.

Dooku wins decisively in canon

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Poor Beni when checked this thread he thought he'd get an actual reply, but no. Got two now