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1. Who is faster reflex wise. With board and without board.
2. Who wins in h2h? Both are powerless for the fight.

Am I only allowed to use comic showings, abhi?

Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Who is faster reflex wise. With board and without board.
2. Who wins in h2h? Both are powerless for the fight. The first one isn't even a contest, Surfer would never be portrayed as faster than even Captain America, much less Quicksilver.

The 2nd one? Hm, what h2h feats does QS have, that don't involve him just being much faster?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am I only allowed to use comic showings, abhi?
You can make up showings if you like!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am I only allowed to use comic showings, abhi? Carver special editions are also allowed, but only if you post scans.

Didn't Quicksilver take out Mr. X rather easily?

Not through skill, however, but by using his speed.

Both Norrin and Pietro are rather poor fighters when depowered.

No idea who is worse...

Depowered surfer took on the warbound,poor fighter my ass. Surfer has shown both micro and nano second reflexes,this is not even a contest

Don't be ridiculous.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111271/3092357-panther3.jpg

Either u know the real context behind that and ure just trolling,or u actually think BP can take him on....

^you know that Surfer is powerless in the h2h fight right Genji?
He has no microsecond or nanosecond reflexes when powerless.

Originally posted by Genii96
Depowered surfer took on the warbound,poor fighter my ass. Surfer has shown both micro and nano second reflexes,this is not even a contest
Does he?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Does he?

Does he what?


Originally posted by h1a8
^you know that Surfer is powerless in the h2h fight right Genji?
He has no microsecond or nanosecond reflexes when powerless.
Abhi gave two scenarios,the first qas who had faster reflexes,the second was h2h fight when powerless,he never said they had no powers in the first....
And surfer powerless in h2h fight? Why don't we ask hulk and his warbound about that

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/1226/555847-1292705-screenshot202_super_super.jpg

Dat skill. Surfer, you're the best.

Originally posted by Genii96
Does he what?


Nanosecond reflexes.

Where he was using a mace to bash people? What h2h skills does that take?

The mace was used mainly by peasants because it's cheap to make in large quantities, and you don't need a lot of skill to use it. Hell, it's basically a refined club, lol.

I don't think think the Mace itself is relevant, it's more the fact that he was kicking the shit out of the Warbound which included Hulk.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't think think the Mace itself is relevant, it's more the fact that he was kicking the shit out of the Warbound which included Hulk.

Hulk was approaching him as a friend, and tbh, I DO think the mace is relevant.

If you have a class 100 (or whatever Surfer was at the time, but let's say pretty strong) swinging a mace around, H2H skill isn't really relevant.

He had an indestructible board as a shield, and a big ass mace. Let's not pretend he was going around doing Iron Fist style fighting......

Originally posted by Genii96
Does he what?



Abhi gave two scenarios,the first qas who had faster reflexes,the second was h2h fight when powerless,he never said they had no powers in the first....
And surfer powerless in h2h fight? Why don't we ask hulk and his warbound about that surfer wasn't powerless, he was depowered to a certain extent. This is basically human Norrin in the 2nd fight (before he became the silver surfer)

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't think think the Mace itself is relevant, it's more the fact that he was kicking the shit out of the Warbound which included Hulk.
He headbutted Hulk once who was approaching him as a friend.

Hulk pushed his shit in when he returned the favor. Not the other way around.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nanosecond reflexes.

Where he was using a mace to bash people? What h2h skills does that take?
1)Yea he has
2) You mean like when he and hulk locked arms and he swatted hulk aside?and then oneshotted each of the warbound? To the point where they agreed he would kill them?, 'using a mace to bash people' implying quicksilver could toss normal hulk level beings that easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
surfer wasn't powerless, he was depowered to a certain extent. This is basically human Norrin in the 2nd fight (before he became the silver surfer)
Surfer was stripped of his power cosmic in that fight,and that's what makes him 'the silver surfer' also he was firther weakened,this norrin is STRONGER than the one who trashed the hell bound

You got a guy made of silver who moves fast vs a quick moving piece of silver in a fastoff. Good thread.

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer was stripped of his power cosmic in that fight,and that's what makes him 'the silver surfer' also he was firther weakened,this norrin is STRONGER than the one who trashed the hell bound


Erm...stripped of the pwoer cosmic, just makes him a naked human...

Originally posted by Genii96
1)Yea he has


Like?

We've been over this already.

Surfer wasn't depowered. His PC was diminished and he couldn't control it.

He headbutted Hulk. He didn't oneshotted any of the weakened warbound.

Yes, he could kill weakened Warbound. Luckily Hulk pushed his shit in well before that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like?

We've been over this already.

Surfer wasn't depowered. His PC was diminished and he couldn't control it.

He headbutted Hulk. He didn't oneshotted any of the weakened warbound.

Yes, he could kill weakened Warbound. Luckily Hulk pushed his shit in well before that.
Yes,we have been over this, and WE(everyone but YOU) clearly can see and know how it went down...
"The disc prevented me from using my Power Cosmic"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#7
Yet when he physically fought the Warbound he did extremely well:
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#0
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#1
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#2
"Give him another pass and we're dead. I only see one spot"
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#3
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#4
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#5
http://imgur.com/a/NqAvy#6
They were forced to destroy his disc, to break Surfer's mind-control.
There was no weakened shot there,he was cut off from it and weakened on top of that. There is no way around that.
'Pushed his shit in'...you man viciously attack him when he had stopped fighting and was thanking him?..and them immediately after he jjust gets back up and breaks everyone's disk?riiight. he was clearly stomping each warbound there, whether 'weak or 'strong',he thrashed them all,hulk included.

As for his nanosecond feats

http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpg

This is even better

http://i.imgur.com/C6FgEnh.jpg


Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm...stripped of the pwoer cosmic, just makes him a naked human...
Norrin....isn't a human being

Originally posted by Genii96
Yes,we have been over this, and WE(everyone but YOU) clearly can see and know how it went down...


Yes, unlike you I can actually read.

Yes, prevented him from using it. It was still within him.

He wasn't depowered. First lie.

Only Hiroim had no idea about Hulk's power at that point. Warbound were also weakened.

Yes, that's right.

What happened after that, huh? Hulk pushed his shit in the same way he had cheapshotted Hulk.

Unlike Hulk, he was about to actually get killed.

You can't read, can you? He was prevented from using his power the way he wanted.

He was never cut from it.

You mean like Surfer did and you're praising him here?

Yes.

It might be a surprise to you but characters do wake up like that.

In your dreams, perhaps? In reality, Hulk pushed his shit in hardcore and was about to kill him.

That's a hallucination.

That's not a reflexes feat. Many characters can do mental calculations pretty fast.

You only read respect threads, don't you? Nothing else can explain this.

Well, yeah, he's not human per se....he's from Zenn La.

And without the PC, he becomes a pink skinned humanoid, with no special attributes.

Unless ZennLa...nians...have special powers?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He headbutted Hulk once who was approaching him as a friend.

Hulk pushed his shit in when he returned the favor. Not the other way around. Surfer stopped fighting back.

Surfer's taken physical action in less than a nanosecond and used FTL speed in combat, so I would think he's above Quicksilver in reflexes.

Quicksilver is often listed as a trained/experienced fighter in handbooks, isn't he? I've seen some showings that suggest he has some skill.
i.imgur.com/KOzOJZW.png
He's has his speed there but it's still valid tactics and technique.

The only remotely impressive showing I can think of for depowered Norrin is when he blitzed some guards here.
i.imgur.com/b5ff6qH.jpg

Seems like Pietro is a better h2h fighter to me.

Quicksilver just ran around the world in seconds recently during combat. Surfer is still faster.