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A battle of fisticuffs

Close call.

I thought it might

Darkseid.

Mongul.
while DS is perfectly capable of engaging in fisticuffs, his go to move for many years has always been:
http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/image_zps0xa9czc0.jpg
Followed by Omega beams.

Mongul, while known to lounge upon a throne watching gladiatorial combat, has always come across as more hands on:
http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/image_zpse26gjecb.jpg

I would love to see this fight.

Darkseid. Easily

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid. Easily

Darkseid.

Darkseid. Easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid. Easily Based on ?

Is there a Nu52 Mongul? I only know Post Crisis and PC Mongul. Post Crisis Mongul Sr bashed around Wonder Woman, but I can't think of Mongul Jr having too beastly a record before he started collecting power rings.

At his best Mongul is a peer to Superman in h/h, whereas with Darkseid his worst showings put him at that level. Pretty open and shut in my mind: Darkseid wins handily.

The fact that there are people here thinking this is even close is depressing.

Then against those people are quanshee and Carver, so it's nothing out of the ordinary.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are a fickle poster who shows up every couple of months then to disappear into the darkness to do the same thing over and over again. Phildophile, you will get over the fact you're wrong once again. Try not to take it so personally, little guy. Originally posted by quanchi112
Close call.

This thread.

Quanchi is like that girlfriend you used to have, who's gotten fat and ugly and is jealous because you're doing just fine.

I won't even give you a mercy fuk, quanshee.

Quan and Phil in the immortal words Gold Five from Star Wars "Stay on target stay on target"

Well, i straight up said Mongul wins, AND gave a reason why i think so, so to Gehenna with all you whiners.

Preboot? Darkseid. It isn't close at all, unless we were talking purely skill, or something.

Mainly a fist fight comes down to Skill, Stamina, durability, & strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
weak guy who is abused by his gf making this post all the more hilarious. Afraid to go to the cops because they'll just laugh at you like those mean kids in high school your entire life. That's a bit too specific there, quanshee. You want to share something?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Darkseid. It isn't close at all, unless we were talking purely skill, or something.

The Marvel brigade is in full effect here, trying to bring down Darkseid to Mongul's level.

I mean, if they really want an even match, they should put Mongul vs Thanos, YKWIM? shifty

Somebody just the other day said Superman said Mongul was Darkseid strength level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was accurately describing my high school years. Certainly seemed like it.

Did you discover Thanos comics as you were crying in the bathroom halls?

ouch.

Originally posted by Zack M

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, i straight up said Mongul wins, AND gave a reason why i think so, so to Gehenna with all you whiners.
But just because Mongul is "more hands on" doesn't negate that Darkseid is simply portrayed as more physically powerful. I can't ever remember Mongul (other than pre-crisis Mongul) being portrayed as superior to Superman, whereas Darkseid has been portrayed as such consistently. Even in the two famous instances where Superman defeats Darkseid, it's a case of Superman giving it his absolute all (and in one case he's sun-amped) whereas Superman-Mongul encounters aren't nearly as intense, because Superman is superior to Mongul.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But just because Mongul is "more hands on" doesn't negate that Darkseid is simply portrayed as more physically powerful. I can't ever remember Mongul (other than pre-crisis Mongul) being portrayed as superior to Superman, whereas Darkseid has been portrayed as such consistently. Even in the two famous instances where Superman defeats Darkseid, it's a case of Superman giving it his absolute all (and in one case he's sun-amped) whereas Superman-Mongul encounters aren't nearly as intense, because Superman is superior to Mongul.
See, now thats an opinion. waaay better discussion than "Darkseid wins. Easily".

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But just because Mongul is "more hands on" doesn't negate that Darkseid is simply portrayed as more physically powerful. I can't ever remember Mongul (other than pre-crisis Mongul) being portrayed as superior to Superman, whereas Darkseid has been portrayed as such consistently. Even in the two famous instances where Superman defeats Darkseid, it's a case of Superman giving it his absolute all (and in one case he's sun-amped) whereas Superman-Mongul encounters aren't nearly as intense, because Superman is superior to Mongul.

Originally posted by riv6672
See, now thats an opinion. waaay better discussion than "Darkseid wins. Easily". He exaggerated showings and ignored Raker, Orion, and Doomsday up against Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He exaggerated showings and ignored Raker, Orion, and Doomsday up against Darkseid. and you're exaggerating showings and only including raker, orion, and doomsday.

Also, shouldn't we be using DCnU?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, shouldn't we be using DCnU?

If we did, it would be a horrific stomp in DS' favour, iirc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If we did, it would be a horrific stomp in DS' favour, iirc. yep. Dcnu darkseid is way too powerful.

Originally posted by deathslash
and you're exaggerating showings and only including raker, orion, and doomsday. No, I include his entire history but these aren't just an example or two.

Originally posted by deathslash
and you're exaggerating showings and only including raker, orion, and doomsday.
Yeah, the Raker showing is nothing. No one who reads that scene with any kind of judgment thinks that Raker was actually a threat to Darkseid. Hell, DS was smiling the whole time because he didn't take Raker and his shovel seriously.

As for DD and Orion, they're both superior to Mongul anyway.

So where does Mongul rank? What makes him so dangerous, in the grand scheme?

He super strong. At one point he was shooting lasers out of his eyes.

that was an underwhelming Carverism.

Originally posted by carver9
He super strong. At one point he was shooting lasers out of his eyes.

Originally posted by riv6672
See, now thats an opinion. waaay better discussion than "Darkseid wins. Easily".

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Last I saw, to get on DCnU DS' level, AM was absorbing entire universes just to get up there.

PG has had the best chance, but even she was quickly taken out a panel or two later. And he just regrew his eyes. GL had to channel the Multiversal Green just to fight him.

Stop tooting your own horn.

Darkseid.
Even without them Omega BeaNs.

Originally posted by riv6672
that was an underwhelming Carverism.

Estacado remains my favorite Carver.

Better than the original.

Darkseid, easily.

No omega beans needed.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Darkseid, easily.

No omega beans needed. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ? his showings against entire teams of heralds vs mongul's almost one sided beatings at the hands of a serious superman.

Darksied without a question, DS is superior

Darkseid easily

Originally posted by deathslash
his showings against entire teams of heralds vs mongul's almost one sided beatings at the hands of a serious superman. Name something specifically.

Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name something specifically. him beating on powergirl, val zod, the flash, green lantern (who was amped by the Parliament of earth and all of the multiverse's earths), batman, and Dr fate at the same time. Him beating on the JL, beating on the anti monitor, beating down batman in his hellbat suit, owning big barda, Mr miracle, and Mr terrific at the same time. Mongul losing to superman, mongul's losing to superman and batman, mongul being a loser in general, etc.

Originally posted by deathslash
him beating on powergirl, val zod, the flash, green lantern (who was amped by the Parliament of earth and all of the multiverse's earths), batman, and Dr fate at the same time. Him beating on the JL, beating on the anti monitor, beating down batman in his hellbat suit, owning big barda, Mr miracle, and Mr terrific at the same time. Mongul losing to superman, mongul's losing to superman and batman, mongul being a loser in general, etc. You ignored context and flat out lied. Mongul wins. Saying someone is a loser in general is a biased manner of debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignored context and flat out lied. Mongul wins. Saying someone is a loser in general is a biased manner of debating. so what context am I ignoring and lying about? He was beating the jla of earth 2 with his bare hands for a while and tanking their attacks, he was beating on the earth 1 JL solo after having his eyes stabbed out (so he wasn't using the omega beams), he and the anti monitor both used energy blasts and we're pretty much even in h2h, batman outright admitted that he couldn't beat seid and he was also getting his armor peeled off and casually broken like darkseid was opening a can of tuna, he was casually owning barda, miracle, and terrific (who had t-spheres that were specifically made for killing gods). Mongul was getting beaten on by superman, and he is a loser.

Originally posted by deathslash
so what context am I ignoring and lying about? He was beating the jla of earth 2 with his bare hands for a while and tanking their attacks, he was beating on the earth 1 JL solo after having his eyes stabbed out (so he wasn't using the omega beams), he and the anti monitor both used energy blasts and we're pretty much even in h2h, batman outright admitted that he couldn't beat seid and he was also getting his armor peeled off and casually broken like darkseid was opening a can of tuna, he was casually owning barda, miracle, and terrific (who had t-spheres that were specifically made for killing gods). Mongul was getting beaten on by superman, and he is a loser. Pre reboot Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pre reboot Darkseid. the thread says literally nothing about it being preboot darkseid. You've been on here more than long enough to know that we take the characters by their most current form unless otherwise specified. You also failed to tell me anything about how I "ignored context" and "lied", so I'll just assume that you concede on that point. Honestly, your inability to accept that Mongul is far beneath darkseid is astounding.

Originally posted by deathslash
the thread says literally nothing about it being preboot darkseid. You've been on here more than long enough to know that we take the characters by their most current form unless otherwise specified. You also failed to tell me anything about how I "ignored context" and "lied", so I'll just assume that you concede on that point. Honestly, your inability to accept that Mongul is far beneath darkseid is astounding. You ignored the feats I brought up which have always been about ore reboot Darkseid. Did you think Raker, doomsday, Orion, etc. did those things to the Dcnu Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignored the feats I brought up which have always been about ore reboot Darkseid. Did you think Raker, doomsday, Orion, etc. did those things to the Dcnu Darkseid. I'm not ignoring anything. As omega vision already said, the Raker showing is nothing. Seid wasn't really trying to fight back, was laughing off all of his attacks. Doomsday is a low showing and is still vastly above mongul. Lastly, orion is literally destined to kill him. Preboot is still vastly above Mongul and I'd already addressed this on like the second page.

Originally posted by riv6672
Stop tooting your own horn.

https://p.dreamwidth.org/4663b27f3caf/-/dl.dropbox.com/u/24666928/forumStuff/1303822960892.jpg

https://40.media.tumblr.com/a90f3c23d6cad51b926e2a966bc12180/tumblr_mom90oXc0q1qcf2rso2_400.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
He exaggerated showings and ignored Raker, Orion, and Doomsday up against Darkseid. Doomsday would have done the same to anyone. He was literally that powerful (unless you can prove otherwise). Hell, he treated a significantly amped Superman like a child and made Superman run for his
Life.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm not ignoring anything. As omega vision already said, the Raker showing is nothing. Seid wasn't really trying to fight back, was laughing off all of his attacks. Doomsday is a low showing and is still vastly above mongul. Lastly, orion is literally destined to kill him. Preboot is still vastly above Mongul and I'd already addressed this on like the second page. Yes, Seid was. Raker just based off previous experience cut him off from the omega beams. Seid was humiliated and he wouldn't let someone toss him around like that. Doomsday raped him. Sad. That doesn't override that Orion has the power to rip through him. Nah, preboot is close to Mongul level.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doomsday would have done the same to anyone. He was literally that powerful (unless you can prove otherwise). Hell, he treated a significantly amped Superman like a child and made Superman run for his
Life. The writer said otherwise. The writer said superman was more powerful than him and that his upbringing hurts him. Darkseid is a planner not the fighter.

Any version of Darkseid is too much for Mogul

Originally posted by golem370
I thought it might Originally posted by Rao Kal El
i think darkseid will win here

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Seid was. Raker just based off previous experience cut him off from the omega beams. Seid was humiliated and he wouldn't let someone toss him around like that. Doomsday raped him. Sad. That doesn't override that Orion has the power to rip through him. Nah, preboot is close to Mongul level.

Jesus man you're hate for anything DC is overwhelming.

Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus man you're hate for anything DC is overwhelming. Meh its stale now just ignore him

Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus man you're hate for anything DC is overwhelming. These are both DC characters. Your Mongul hate is sickening.

Originally posted by golem370
A battle of fisticuffs

Mongul senior always struck me as more impressive than his son, but I still don't think he could beat DS.

Mongul Junior certainly isn't. He's not on the same level in terms of strength and durability.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Any version of Darkseid is too much for Mogul

Somebody lower, like Thanos, would be a good match for Mongul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He exaggerated showings and ignored Raker, Orion, and Doomsday up against Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignored context and flat out lied. Mongul wins. Saying someone is a loser in general is a biased manner of debating.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln4ml61TkK1qg1srq.gif

Let say Thanos has become more powerful over the years if that is the case then when him and drax fought all those years ago he was a weaker verison. Classic Drax tore a stars core in half and Thanos beat him. Thanos fought B/T Thor holding his own Thanos is a badass