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Out of the 2 Star Wars TV shows, which do you like better? Star wars: The clone Wars? Or Star Wars: Rebels?

If you compare the first two seasons of TCW with the first two seasons of Rebels, the latter is definitely better overall, imo. As a whole, however, TCW was better(as of now), because it simply had several more seasons under its belt(in addition to a comic mini and a novel) to pull off great plots.

Give Rebels an equal-ish amount of seasons, and it will likely become superior to TCW as a whole, imo... Assuming its quality remains relatively consistent, of course.

TCW.

Originally posted by Galan007
If you compare the first two seasons of TCW with the first two seasons of Rebels, the latter is definitely better overall, imo.


I think TCW took time to find it's footing. I mean just look at TCW movie.. What the heck was that?

But it went on to become a Great show Imo. Even put love for the Prequel era into many people who hated the Prequels.

^ Absolutely agree. I was just comparing season for season, because that's all we can really do right now. It's nigh-impossible to say how Rebels will turn out, but it has been very promising thus far. If it keeps the same momentum, it could certainly be better than TCW as a whole... Which says a lot, because TCW was great.

Rebels. No Question.

The more serialized format is far more to my taste.

In terms of their first and seconds seasons still TCW.

I find the cast more diverse, the settings much more varied, developed and interesting, the writing though not consistent (neither is Rebels frankly) overall more complex and suspenseful, and finally the overall production quality (visuals, voice acting, animation etc.) superior.

In so far Rebels has little that compares for me to the best of TCW's early seasons e.g. the Mandalore, Ryloth and Genosis arcs, Cloak of Darkness, The Gungan General, Cat & Mouse, Hostage Crisis etc. Though my opinion may change come the second-half of this season.

Yeah, the fact that they were able to make Jar Jar's character of actual value to the plot and turn PIS into a pretty hilarious story is quite impressive.

If only that were true.

Edit: I do love Dooku's escape though. Probably his coolest moment in either the show or the films. Unfortunately, the rest of the episode is borderline unwatchable.

Each to their own I suppose, I preferred it to the Rebels episode where they go shopping for watermelons though tbh.

As a comic relief installment, not sure there's much else. What would you say are Rebels best episodes?

Siege of Lothal, Fire Across the Galaxy, and Stealth Strike.

In my opinion, the first 2 seasons of Rebels are far better than the first 2 seasons of the Clone Wars! The Clone Wars didn't really pick up until around season 3 in my opinion.

Originally posted by ares834
Siege of Lothal, Fire Across the Galaxy, and Stealth Strike.


These are by far the best episodes of Rebels. Oh and the one with Lando.

But they're not better than TCW's best Imo.


Originally posted by batman
In my opinion, the first 2 seasons of Rebels are far better than the first 2 seasons of the Clone Wars! The Clone Wars didn't really pick up until around season 3 in my opinion.


Yeah well it took time for them to get going. Rebels has the advantage of starting with TCW team who were much more experienced by that time.


Rebels is basically becoming a sequel series to TCW anyway. They're both Awesome. And I'm frankly getting more entertained by SW Animation than by the Live Action atm.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But they're not better than TCW's best Imo. As of right now, I agree.

The Lawless, along with the Yoda arc in final episodes of Season 6, are still better. However, Rebels is still in its infancy, and it looks like the plot is only going to keep getting better... So we'll just have to wait and see if our opinions change by the conclusion of this season. The simple fact that most believe Rebels is already right up there with TCW in terms of quality/enjoyability speaks volumes, imo.

Tbh that is what frustrates me about this show. Because it was the same team who gave us Season 5 and 6 of TCW, I was expecting that level of quality, but it just isn't. Its as if they forgot how to tell stories properly or something, and are learning how all over again.Originally posted by Darth Thor
Rebels is basically becoming a sequel series to TCW anyway. They're both Awesome. And I'm frankly getting more entertained by SW Animation than by the Live Action atm. Yeah animation > live action tbh as least as far as TV is concerned, with animation you have a control over visuals that only a massive movie budget can provide, and even then there remains the limitations of well reality.

Originally posted by Galan007
The simple fact that most believe Rebels is already right up there with TCW in terms of quality/enjoyability speaks volumes, imo.

I think that's because it's largely the same team but they've massively improved their story telling ability since the early days of TCW.

Clone Wars was way better but this can only properly answered at rebels conclusion.

TCW's highs blow Rebels' highs out of the water. TCW definitely had its shitty moments and Rebels is indeed more consistent. The problem is that it's consistently mediocre. TCW, at its best, really had depth and dimension and excitement Rebels just hasn't matched.

And ultimately, I can't accept the "well just give it time" argument. The creative minds behind Rebels were there for TCW. They've had 2 seasons of Rebels and 6 seasons of TCW to produce better stories. Not to mention the fact that they're no longer hamstrung by an omnipotent authority like George.

It says something that the publicity and excitement surrounding Rebels owes much to either film characters like Vader and Tarkin... Or TCW characters like Ahsoka, Rex, and Maul.

Sadly this show doesn't work on its own two feet. I'd probably enjoy it a lot more if it stuck true to its original conceit of a bunch of nobody dissidents fighting against the machine a la Firefly... But as it stands it's simply a vehicle to regurgitate more popular characters and tie off loose ends of TCW.

I always knew Rebels would address the loose ends of TCW simply because TCW was a popular show which they cancelled before its full run first. And Can't just leave loose ends like Ahsoka and Maul.

Clone Wars easily, if only solely because it saved Anakin's character.

^ Oh yeah, Anakin's become a fan favorite due to TCW.

No, he hasn't.

Anakin was great in TCW and my favorite character from the series. Perhaps the best thing about the show was it made Anakin a heroic character rather than the whiny brat in AotC. It also made Anakin and Obi-Wan feel and act like friends something the prequels rarely did.

I felt like the dynamic between Anakin and Kenobi in ROTS at least worked quite well, and TCW kinda just expounded on it, but yeah there were pretty terrible in AotC, and TCW's Anakin is altogether a much more compelling character.

True, TCW gave the dynamic some well deserved screen time.

Frankly I'm interested to see how their relationship is dealt with in Obi-Wan & Anakin.

For me TCW will always be superior. Also Clone Wars just captured the horror of the SWU a lot better then Rebels has. I mean you have some truly horrifying imagery on the Clone Wars show. It shows you that yeah..this universe isn't as kid friendly as we all thought.

The ending episodes of Rebels will probably rank higher for me than anything in TCW if certain things end up happening imo.

Vader vs. Maul depending on how its written could very easily be one of the best lightsaber duels in Star Wars.

Maul vs Vader certain lent happen this season. Not even sure it will happen but we can always hope, as that'd be an Awesome way for Maul to bite the dust IMO.

I meant "certainly won't happen" this season.

I mean I think Season 6 and Season 7 of Clone Wars, particularly the Order 66 arc with Ahsoka and Rex would blow anything in either series out of the water.

Also I think SoD and Dark Disciple could have been dope as episodes. DD would have been way better filmed imo.

Its a testament to Clone Wars' success that every good arc/episode from Rebels involves a Clone Wars character. excellent

Originally posted by Lord Stark


Its a testament to Clone Wars' success that every good arc/episode from Rebels involves a Clone Wars character. excellent


Oh yeah. In fact I just see it as a sequel to TCW tbh.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
excellent

Which just makes Rebels dumb, if they can't hold onto their own 2 feet without bringing in old characters just to make things interesting.

Rebels has its own interesting episodes, but really just when the Inquisitor was involved or with Tarkin/Vader.

But the fact they gotta rely on OT/TCW characters to really make things interesting, instead of...you know, building their own characters for the series, is just...meh.

The latest one with Zeb/Kallus was a nice one, and that's just cause it gave depth to Kallus.

My main problem with Rebels is that at least 50% of it's episodes are filler episodes that don't really serve to advance the overall plot or characters in any way. Like you have the episode with Lando in it, which isn't notable or impactful at all aside from the fact that it has Lando in it. You have Zeb and Ezra trying to get a ****ing fruit in another episode. And in another episode they're trying to do some environmental protection shit and save the space whales. Now, right after the episode where Kanan gets knighted, Ezra's dark sidey shit is further forshadowed, and Ahsoka finds out the terrible truth about Darth Vader, we get a ****ing episode about chopper running off to get a leg transplant or some shit.

Almost every episode in TCW had a point to it that related to the advancement of the plot or characters (with the obvious exception of that droid arc in season 5 that went on 3 more episodes than it really needed to). Even the boring political episodes with Padme mid-season 3 had some plot advancement, showing the extent of the effects on politics the war has.

The upcoming episodes with Maul, Vader, and Ahsoka are almost certainly going to be amazing, but until Rebels stops giving us filler for half of the episodes, I'm not rating it above TCW as a series.

Truth DMB, even the character specific episodes that were suppose to advanced the character development weren't all that great. I mean...I guess aside from Kallus and the last Hera one with her dad did something, but overall those character development episodes were rather...meh. Zeb's was...alright, though not sure if finding his whole species still alive and well was really needed.

Personally, I think DMB is completely wrong on this. Every single episode has advanced the main plot or developed characters in Rebels. Take the fruit episode. It wasn't particularly good but it certainly was not filler as it greatly developed the relationship between Ezra and Zeb. Comparatively, the majority of the arc in TCW feels distinct and separate from one another and the show rarely ever alludes to past episodes, especially in the early seasons. You could easily skip many of the arcs in TCW and you wouldn't even notice. Heck, many of the episodes aren't even in chronological order. It really wasn't until the later seasons that TCW began to become more serialized mainly with the Maul and Ahsoka story lines. But even then we got tons of unconnected arcs and these major storylines never tied together.

Now this doesn't mean either is better than another.

TLDR: There are few filler episodes in Rebels and the show is far more serialized than TCW ever was.

The episodes did develop the characters, but to a point...I may have expected a little too much from them though, so probably reason why I wasn't too thrilled on em.

Though I will say 100% I couldn't care any less about Chopper if I tried.

I actually like Chopper

I think Ares is right that character development is present in most Rebels episodes, in some cases its the only thing that gives the episodes a point, and that wasn't always the case with a lot of arcs in TCW.

However you don't need character development to make a good story. On the other hand these Rebels episodes just need to be longer, they need more depth and more attention paid to setting and supporting characters.

I wish Rebels was more like ATLA