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how strong would he be compared to superman zod and foara, and thor and the avengers?

what about superman from the first movie who lifted up the whole island?

Should be same level as Superman

Same level only more ferocious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Same level only more ferocious.


You would think so, there is so many superclones Im not sure how they would portray billy or adam, theyre pretty much superman with a lightning bolt

Like in the comics he'd be a lot weaker, but would end up around the same level due to not holding back.

The way they're going to try and 'darken' the DC movieverse, I won't be able to tell the difference between them.

how would he compare to MCU Thor and The Avengers?

It's impossible to really say how strong a character who has yet to appear in a movie will be when he appears in the Shazam film.

If they are doing him correctly then yeah he'd be more or less Superman physically, but instead of heat vision and freeze breath he has magic lightning..and obviously lacks a magic weakness.

The Rock is set to play him so they at least have someone with the right look.

thanks

^My sentiments, pretty much.

With The Rock as Black Adam in the DCCU he's going to be able to throw down on equal terms with Supes.

He'll lose, but the battles will be epic.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Like in the comics he'd be a lot weaker, but would end up around the same level due to not holding back.

This doesn't make sense.

It does.

He says a non holding back BA = a holding back Superman.

When Adam fought post crisis Superman they were physically equal. I know people will say Superman just had mental blocks or whatever, but ehh. Captain Marvel and Black Adam have always essentially been "Superman, but magic".

Cap was right there along with Supes lifting half of infinity.

Originally posted by Estacado
It does.

He says a non holding back BA = a holding back Superman. how strong is a holding back superman?

who can a holding back superman beat?

Originally posted by Surtur
When Adam fought post crisis Superman they were physically equal. I know people will say Superman just had mental blocks or whatever, but ehh. Captain Marvel and Black Adam have always essentially been "Superman, but magic".

Cap was right there along with Supes lifting half of infinity.

Which would be inaccurate since Superman himself said he doesn't need to pull his punches against Adam (and still failed to move him out of the city block). Those same mental blocks that people tend to bring up, Mongul trained him during OWAW how to get past that.

Originally posted by Estacado
It does.

He says a non holding back BA = a holding back Superman.

A holding back Adam already fought an unleashed Superman and held his own.

Carver has read OWAW at least four times; he knows what's up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver has read OWAW at least four times; he knows what's up.

This man is a genious. Let me know when you want me to PM you (lol) my OWAW collection. Especially the words and training of Mongul.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130955/3539752-1323881-ba_survives_supes_punch.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/69726/_1423690752.jpg

http://s69.photobucket.com/user/truestrength/media/black%20adam/BlackAdamvsSuperman3.jpg.html

i dont see the point of holding back in a push contest?

couldnt superman just push him back?

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/69726/_1423690752.jpg


Edit: oh okay, he wasnt holding back...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver has read OWAW at least four times; he knows what's up.
Whats an OWAW?

Can you enlighten me Mighty Carver?

Originally posted by carver9
This man is a genious. Let me know when you want me to PM you (lol) my OWAW collection. Especially the words and training of Mongul.



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13675573#post13675573

Since 2012, no doubt you have meditated even further upon the storyline.

Originally posted by carver9
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130955/3539752-1323881-ba_survives_supes_punch.jpg

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/69726/_1423690752.jpg

http://s69.photobucket.com/user/truestrength/media/black%20adam/BlackAdamvsSuperman3.jpg.html


You've been educated on this on around fifty times.

Yet, here we are.

Originally posted by carver9
Which would be inaccurate since Superman himself said he doesn't need to pull his punches against Adam (and still failed to move him out of the city block). Those same mental blocks that people tend to bring up, Mongul trained him during OWAW how to get past that.

Nice to see you completely missed the point of OWAW and his training.

Black Adam would be seventeen times stronger. It's in the comics. Read them

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice to see you completely missed the point of OWAW and his training.
You mean he has even read OWAW?

Am I the only one who wishes OWAW would somehow attain some kind of physical manifestation so I could punch it in its god damn face? It was just chalk full of terrible.

But anyways, people always use that to justify stuff. Yep I do think a lot of times he does hold back, but he has no reason to hold back in a grappling contest against Black Adam. He wouldn't have to murder the guy or destroy the city in order to overpower someone.

Originally posted by Surtur
Am I the only one who wishes OWAW would somehow attain some kind of physical manifestation so I could punch it in its god damn face? It was just chalk full of terrible.

But anyways, people always use that to justify stuff. Yep I do think a lot of times he does hold back, but he has no reason to hold back in a grappling contest against Black Adam. He wouldn't have to murder the guy or destroy the city in order to overpower someone.

Exactly. He then tells us he is most ticked off and have no qualms at holding back. He then gets over powered twice and Adam literally tanks everything he throws at him. Picking and choosing is amazing. Its like me discrediting all of Hulk loses because he admitted during HOM that he always held back due to Banner mental blocks. Its dumb.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice to see you completely missed the point of OWAW and his training.

I can post the scene I am talking about if you want.

Originally posted by carver9
Exactly. He then tells us he is most ticked off and have no qualms at holding back. He then gets over powered twice and Adam literally tanks everything he throws at him. Picking and choosing is amazing. Its like me discrediting all of Hulk loses because he admitted during HOM that he always held back due to Banner mental blocks. Its dumb.
He said he doesn't needs to hold back as much as he does against humans.

When he actually stopped holding back against him at the end of the fight, Adam forfeited the fight.

This has been explained several times to you.

Speaking of statements, here is one.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1037280-racerx_wwiiib4_p11.jpg

He is not even stronger than Power Girl who was the strongest being there as per J'onn.

Must be true too.

So okay we could just go by pure feats. OWAW doesn't actually negate 20+ years worth of feats though.

Like Superman couldn't even beat Captain Marvel at arm wrestling until Cap jr. activated his power thus sapping some of Caps. Let me guess, Superman was holding back? Afraid he was going to rip off Caps arms?

To you has Superman ever actually been truly defeated? Or were all his defeats just due to mental blocks?

EDIT: Also wait isn't that scan from the WW3 storyline?

Originally posted by Surtur
So okay we could just go by pure feats. OWAW doesn't actually negate 20+ years worth of feats though.

Like Superman couldn't even beat Captain Marvel at arm wrestling until Cap jr. activated his power thus sapping some of Caps. Let me guess, Superman was holding back? Afraid he was going to rip off Caps arms?

To you has Superman ever actually been truly defeated? Or were all his defeats just due to mental blocks?

EDIT: Also wait isn't that scan from the WW3 storyline?
Yes, Superman was always holding back. It has been pretty well documented. He had never used his full strength on anyone save Doomsday.

But I direct you to the fight in Action Comics annual 4 where Eclipsed Superman beat the ****ing shit out of Captain Marvel and actually hospitalized him.

While holding back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He said he doesn't needs to hold back as much as he does against humans.

When he actually stopped holding back against him at the end of the fight, Adam forfeited the fight.

This has been explained several times to you.

Speaking of statements, here is one.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1037280-racerx_wwiiib4_p11.jpg

He is not even stronger than Power Girl who was the strongest being there as per J'onn.

Must be true too.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123129/3450784-3019123141-26083.jpg

He did not forfeit the fight because he thought he would lose you nut. He forfeited the fight because the fight was pointless. Why would he forfeit a fight he wasn't losing? Superman couldn't even move him out of the city block. Adam over powered him twice and stalemated him in a contest of strength. You're trolling. Show me something in that fight that proves Supeman put a piece of fear into Adam.

Also, lol at you postiing a showing of Adam fighting and winning against a team Superman doesnt have a chance against.

Black Adam was powered up in WW3, 7 gods not 6

Nothing Superman couldn't do anyways.

What do you think would happen if Firestorm and Dr.Light flew at Superman (or anybody around his physical capabilities)? Same with Gardner and Alan Scott. They're literally trying to wrestle/ Black Adam.

52 and WW3 were great comics, but let's not pretend like the total sum of the team Adam fought was -anywhere- near the sum of its parts.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Black Adam was powered up in WW3, 7 gods not 6

Nothing Superman couldn't do anyways.

What do you think would happen if Firestorm and Dr.Light flew at Superman (or anybody around his physical capabilities)? Same with Gardner and Alan Scott. They're literally trying to wrestle/ Black Adam.

52 and WW3 were great comics, but let's not pretend like the total sum of the team Adam fought was -anywhere- near the sum of its parts.

You might as well break every team fight up like this. I can't think of a single team solo showing where the team used every ability they had during a fight. Then this wasn't the only thing that happened in Adam fight vs the jsa.

Look again B&T Thor fight against teams. I'm sure I can think of a number of heralds that could replicate that showing as well.

Abhi's point is that, 7 gods or no, Adam still wasn't the strongest on the field.

A field which was comprised of people below Superman, in terms of strength.

However, its not his strength that makes BA dangerous, but his willingness to kill.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Abhi's point is that, 7 gods or no, Adam still wasn't the strongest on the field.

A field which was comprised of people below Superman, in terms of strength.

However, its not his strength that makes BA dangerous, but his willingness to kill.

Who was the strongest and please advise what showing proves this.

A team that was dog piling him and as shown, damaging him as well.

Never said that strength is his key factor but he is a peer.

Also, Superman himself has said that Cap is his physical equal and Adam has shown and been said (by Superman) that Adam punch harder.

Let's see if ABHI will accept this. He is accepting statements for Adam, I'm sure he's consistent and doesn't pick and choose.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120859/3178270-2270739-superman_experiencing_captain_marvel_s_power_08.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Who was the strongest and please advise what showing proves this.

A team that was dog piling him and as shown, damaging him as well.

Never said that strength is his key factor but he is a peer.

Considering MMH said 'us', I would say either him, or PG, or a Lantern.

Advise what showing? Please read the scan. I am using what was said in that VERY scan......

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Superman was always holding back. It has been pretty well documented. He had never used his full strength on anyone save Doomsday.


Then he killed doomsday in a few hits

So adam is the only one besides doomsday who ever pushed superman to his limits(Max)?

Doomsday > or = than Adam who is >>> than every and any herald superman has ever fought?

If you are right, that means black adam is the most powerful Herald in DC after Doomsday (Physically at least?)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Considering MMH said 'us', I would say either him, or PG, or a Lantern.

Advise what showing? Please read the scan. I am using what was said in that VERY scan......

Gotcha and since Superman said Captain Marvel and him is equal in every way and Adam has shown to be above Cap in some cases, I guess that means...

@ABHI...what makes you think Superman went all put against Doomsday? Used his full strength. His mental blocks could've still been on.

Originally posted by carver9
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123129/3450784-3019123141-26083.jpg

He did not forfeit the fight because he thought he would lose you nut. He forfeited the fight because the fight was pointless. Why would he forfeit a fight he wasn't losing? Superman couldn't even move him out of the city block. Adam over powered him twice and stalemated him in a contest of strength. You're trolling. Show me something in that fight that proves Supeman put a piece of fear into Adam.
Yes, he did.

He was perfectly willing to fight Superman before he stopped holding back.

Lulz@ getting overpowered. How will he remove Adam from city and how does it relates to strength?

Originally posted by carver9
Let's see if ABHI will accept this. He is accepting statements for Adam, I'm sure he's consistent and doesn't pick and choose.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120859/3178270-2270739-superman_experiencing_captain_marvel_s_power_08.jpg
Yes, let's take statements from Superman on face value.

While there are statements like this.

http://i.imgur.com/QOP6DVX.jpg

And Superman himself has said he is the strongest person on the planet. Same as Batman. Same as wonder woman.

What to do with all those statements, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he did.

He was perfectly willing to fight Superman before he stopped holding back.

Lulz@ getting overpowered. How will he remove Adam from city and how does it relates to strength?

LOL...Is that the reason why Adam isn't attacking telling Superman he is innocent.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i53/truestrength/black%20adam/BlackAdamvsSuperman3.jpg

Adam turned his back because the fight was pointless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, let's take statements from Superman on face value.

While there are statements like this.

http://i.imgur.com/QOP6DVX.jpg

And Superman himself has said he is the strongest person on the planet. Same as Batman. Same as wonder woman.

What to do with all those statements, eh?

LOL...so we are playing this game?

It has outright been said that Adam is more powerful than Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111115653/3334661-6465663954-black.jpg

Also, again, per Supermans own mouth,, him and Captain Marvel are equals in every way. I dont even know why you are bringing up statements to refute what I said. The argument between me and you started with you posting a scan with a statement that I said was untrue. Do you now agree with this since you are denying Superman own words of him and Cap being equals. Dont be a hypocritte, you hypocrite.

It's probably better to argue using the line of reasoning that Superman almsot -never- cuts loose, and that he can equal Marvel and BA's performance when not doing so, rather than try to make a case for him being the strongest simply by people stating that he is the strongest person on earth.

I don't see how that's any different than Carver and the other retards claiming that Hulk is the most powerful because it's been said by a bunch of people.

As strong, no question.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL...Is that the reason why Adam isn't attacking telling Superman he is innocent.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i53/truestrength/black%20adam/BlackAdamvsSuperman3.jpg

Adam turned his back because the fight was pointless.
At first. Then he was fighting just as much as Superman.

He turned his back because he knew he had no chance to win. Originally posted by carver9
LOL...so we are playing this game?

It has outright been said that Adam is more powerful than Superman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111115653/3334661-6465663954-black.jpg

Also, again, per Supermans own mouth,, him and Captain Marvel are equals in every way. I dont even know why you are bringing up statements to refute what I said. The argument between me and you started with you posting a scan with a statement that I said was untrue. Do you now agree with this since you are denying Superman own words of him and Cap being equals. Dont be a hypocritte, you hypocrite.
A Superman who was weakened by the magical virus of Yuurd. You will lose hard in who is called more powerful more times.

You're using a scan of Superman saying he doesn't needs to hold back as much as humans to denote as Superman was going all out.

Shut up already.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's probably better to argue using the line of reasoning that Superman almsot -never- cuts loose, and that he can equal Marvel and BA's performance when not doing so, rather than try to make a case for him being the strongest simply by people stating that he is the strongest person on earth.

I don't see how that's any different than Carver and the other retards claiming that Hulk is the most powerful because it's been said by a bunch of people.
It's carver. You think he is going to accept such a simple concept?

He can accept it.
If we are talking about a holding back Hulk.(WWH)

But we can't accept it.

If we're talking about Iron Man holding back against Hulk.

Iron Man could have just shot him with the satellite when he returned to Earth.
He would have spared many from an asswhoopin...

Originally posted by Estacado

Iron Man could have just shot him with the satellite when he returned to Earth.
He would have spared many from an asswhoopin...
I'm sure Stark Enterprise or whatever has a government contract for rebuilding shit after heroes fight.

Probably made billions

mmm

So the whole point of WWH was making Tony more wealthier.

Turns out he called back Hulk to wreck shit so he could cover all of it with his insurance.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1744220-hulk__25_020.jpg

Originally posted by Estacado
mmm

So the whole point of WWH was making Tony more wealthier.

Turns out he called back Hulk to wreck shit so he could cover all of it with his insurance.
Thunderbolt shot Hulk with like a thousand adamantium bullets...

Probably could've bought another planet with that money mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
At first. Then he was fighting just as much as Superman.

He turned his back because he knew he had no chance to win.
A Superman who was weakened by the magical virus of Yuurd. You will lose hard in who is called more powerful more times.

You're using a scan of Superman saying he doesn't needs to hold back as much as humans to denote as Superman was going all out.

Shut up already.

Jesus Christ. That showing happened almost during the end that I posted. Adam did not fight and didn't want to fight. The guy literally stood in one spot and let Superman heat visioned him. Adam turned his back because he knew it would stop a fight he saw as pointless in the beginning.

Superman said he doesn't have to worry about holding back against Adam. He was MOST TICKED OFF. Doesn't sound like someone who is holding back.

No need for me to shut up bro... you posted a scan of a statement as evidence and is in denial about acccepting every statement. Get out of here with that crap. Supermand couldn't even move Adam out of the city block and got over powered twice. I see no reason on him holding his strength back to accomplish a task of moving someone out of a destination to prevent civialians from getting hurt. Adam was just too strong. Look at Adam fights and compare it to his fight against Superman.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's probably better to argue using the line of reasoning that Superman almsot -never- cuts loose, and that he can equal Marvel and BA's performance when not doing so, rather than try to make a case for him being the strongest simply by people stating that he is the strongest person on earth.

I don't see how that's any different than Carver and the other retards claiming that Hulk is the most powerful because it's been said by a bunch of people.

Key word. ALMOST never cut loose. In some cases he does cut loose, especially when he's extremely ticked off.

Originally posted by Estacado
He can accept it.
If we are talking about a holding back Hulk.(WWH)

You're completely off topic along with the rest of your crew and is obviously trolling. If Hulk said he wasn't holding back and he is ticked off, I would NOT say he is holding back in whatever fight he is in. Keep up.

Originally posted by carver9
Jesus Christ. That showing happened almost during the end that I posted. Adam did not fight and didn't want to fight. The guy literally stood in one spot and let Superman heat visioned him. Adam turned his back because he knew it would stop a fight he saw as pointless in the beginning.

Yeah, that didn't happened. He was HVed first and then stopped fighting back.



He said he doesn't needs to hold back against Adam as much as he does against normal humans.

He says the same thing regarding Doomsday here.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Yet, He is hurting his hands just punching Doomsday.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg

He has only used his full strength ONCE in entire life.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/?action=view&current=Supermanv2152-15.jpg



Yeah, shut up when you can't even comprehend simple concepts.

Yes, he has never been able to beat Captain Marvel one on one.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04m.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04n.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04o.jpg

The result of the fight.

http://i.imgur.com/L74sYHh.jpg

And Mon-El who was explicitly stronger than every hero on earth. Including Captain Marvel who Superman hospitalized.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02f.jpg

Your turn.

Originally posted by carver9
Key word. ALMOST never cut loose. In some cases he does cut loose, especially when he's extremely ticked off.
Except he hasn't. He has even said to Creeper that he is not holding back against him.

Carver knows Superman better than Abhi; I judge him the winner.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that didn't happened. He was HVed first and then stopped fighting back.



He said he doesn't needs to hold back against Adam as much as he does against normal humans.

He says the same thing regarding Doomsday here.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Yet, He is hurting his hands just punching Doomsday.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg

He has only used his full strength ONCE in entire life.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/?action=view&current=Supermanv2152-15.jpg



Yeah, shut up when you can't even comprehend simple concepts.

Yes, he has never been able to beat Captain Marvel one on one.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04m.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04n.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04o.jpg

The result of the fight.

http://i.imgur.com/L74sYHh.jpg

And Mon-El who was explicitly stronger than every hero on earth. Including Captain Marvel who Superman hospitalized.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02b.jpg
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Your turn.

He wasn't fighting seriously period during that fight. Show me something during that fight that would make Adam submit against Superman due to power level. Superman couldn't even move him from the city block...superman didn't have a single advantage during that fight. Why would Adam submit in a fight he wasn't even losing in? Think about it numbnuts.

...Doesn't Eclipso amp the user? I'm sure it does and was Cap out to kill Superman there or was he holding back since Eclipso compromised Superman.

Provide proof that Superman mental blocks wasn't on when he fought Doomsday. I say his mental blocks were on against Doomsday. Prove me wrong.

Lol...if Monel is stronger than every hero on the planet and Superman beat him, that obviously tells us that statement was false. Do you not know what started the dispute between me and you because you are all over the place.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver knows Superman better than Abhi; I judge him the winner.

Good to know someone is always thinking of me. Especially a male figure.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...if Monel is stronger than every hero on the planet and Superman beat him, that obviously tells us that statement was false. Do you not know what started the dispute between me and you because you are all over the place.

Lol - can you not see the irony in this?

If Superman says he's not holding back, and still punches BA without breaking his hands (which, IIRC he did with Doomsday), then that obviously tells us that statement is false.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol - can you not see the irony in this?

If Superman says he's not holding back, and still punches BA without breaking his hands (which, IIRC he did with Doomsday), then that obviously tells us that statement is false.

This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't fighting seriously period during that fight. Show me something during that fight that would make Adam submit against Superman due to power level.

He was fighting Superman during the entire fight.



You are talking like Adam is a child who can be removed from the city against his will.

He can fly and Superman points out that he has made his fight in the middle of the city where Superman can't go all out.



Not to solar powered persons. Superman beat Eclipsed Mon-el even more quickly.




What? That doesn't even made any sense.



He was stated to be stronger than Superman as well. Several times.

But that's what Superman does when he lets go.



Yes, you are taking a statement from Superman as a final proof that Superman was going all out.

And then flip flopping when that was proved untrue.

Superman must be going all out here as well.

http://i43.tinypic.com/20uzo8n.jpg

Who knew Creeper was that powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.
Yet, the same Superman beat the shit out of Captain Marvel who has received no amps since then.

So?

Originally posted by carver9
This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.

So his durability increased (agreed) - did his strength NOT increase, then?

You're saying Supes' durability increased more than his strength, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So his durability increased (agreed) - did his strength NOT increase, then?

You're saying Supes' durability increased more than his strength, right?

LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.

LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, the same Superman beat the shit out of Captain Marvel who has received no amps since then.

So?


Superman beat Captain Marvel in possession of an amp. I'm sure Cap was not going all out during that showing either. I have a set of scans I've been holding on too just for you. I want you to post that showing with Superman (in his grey and white suit) blitzing Captain Marvel. I'm asking you to post it.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman beat Captain Marvel in possession of an amp. I'm sure Cap was not going all out during that showing either. I have a set of scans I've been holding on too just for you. I want you to post that showing with Superman (in his grey and white suit) blitzing Captain Marvel. I'm asking you to post it.
There was no amp. Superman and Eclipso's powers were weakness to each other.

http://i.imgur.com/K9jbIig.jpg

Cap was flat out saying it's time to get rough and not hold back in the middle of the fight.

srsly

You want to show me scans of Superman?

Originally posted by carver9
LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.

LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!
So you think DOS Superman was weaker than Captain Marvel? Proof of this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was fighting Superman during the entire fight.



You are talking like Adam is a child who can be removed from the city against his will.

He can fly and Superman points out that he has made his fight in the middle of the city where Superman can't go all out.



Not to solar powered persons. Superman beat Eclipsed Mon-el even more quickly.




What? That doesn't even made any sense.



He was stated to be stronger than Superman as well. Several times.

But that's what Superman does when he lets go.



Yes, you are taking a statement from Superman as a final proof that Superman was going all out.

And then flip flopping when that was proved untrue.

Superman must be going all out here as well.

http://i43.tinypic.com/20uzo8n.jpg

Who knew Creeper was that powerful.



While trying to convince Superman that the fight is pointless. Like I've said and will continue to tell you, Adam had no reasons to be afraid of fighting Superman since he's shown that Superman was unable to even move him out of the city block and Adam over powering him twice. Also, lol at bringing up flight as a reason of being incapable of moving Adam. Do I honestly have to post scans of Superman moving powerful being out of a city? Stop being obtuse.

Superman was surprised he was still alive when fighting Monel and even mentions this. He slammed him against the moon. Not an impressive showing if you ask me and doesn't speak on Monel being as strong as he was mentioned to be.

LOL... no, that means Superman was stronger and the statement about Monel was a lie.

You flipped my words is what you did. I pointed out that Superman said he was ticked off more than ever and then you post a scan of someone saying Adam isn't the strongest on the field. Two different things bro.

Creeper was in possession of Eclipso and was amped which is the reason Superman tells us that he doesn't need to hold back any longer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you think DOS Superman was weaker than Captain Marvel? Proof of this?

Reread my sentence.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.

LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!

Lol, I think it is YOU who is not trying hard enough.

Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday. Going all-out.

Since then, his durability increased - in DOS, he was KOed by a gas station, later, he was KOed by flying into a moon at lightspeed.

Now, surely his strength ALSO increased from DoS? So that, by the time he's now fighting BA, surely, SURELY his strength has now increased that he can now punch so hard he hurts his hands (ASSUMING he goes all out, as in DoS)?

Can you see what I am trying to say here?

If Superman is going all out, he should be hurting his hands. Does not matter if his durability has increased, because his strength ALSO increased.

If he DOESN'T hurt his hands, either he's NOT going all out, or his durability increased at a higher rate than his strength.

If the former, then, as per your own words, the showings do not match the statements.

For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.

Which could mean Black Racer is far more durable than Adam. Lol...I've never claimed that a peer could stand in one spot and tank punches from another peer. That scene tells us Racer is out of Superman's league and his pained hand is proof of this as well. Just let ABHI handle this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, I think it is YOU who is not trying hard enough.

Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday. Going all-out.

Since then, his durability increased - in DOS, he was KOed by a gas station, later, he was KOed by flying into a moon at lightspeed.

Now, surely his strength ALSO increased from DoS? So that, by the time he's now fighting BA, surely, SURELY his strength has now increased that he can now punch so hard he hurts his hands (ASSUMING he goes all out, as in DoS)?

Can you see what I am trying to say here?

If Superman is going all out, he should be hurting his hands. Does not matter if his durability has increased, because his strength ALSO increased.

If he DOESN'T hurt his hands, either he's NOT going all out, or his durability increased at a higher rate than his strength.

If the former, then, as per your own words, the showings do not match the statements.

WTF. So you're telling me every time an elite goes all out, the confirmation of this is their knuckles hurting. Is this rule tier based?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.
MBS

Originally posted by carver9
WTF. So you're telling me every time an elite goes all out, the confirmation of this is their knuckles hurting. Is this rule tier based?

It's a feat of how hard they're punching. Surely, this is common sense? I'm not even talking about being a Superfan or not here - just that the showing contradicts the statement (as you yourself pointed out, it DOES occur from time to time).

We see what happens when Superman gets desperate and goes all out....and he punches so hard he hurts himself. As seen against Doomsday, and now, Black Racer.

But it wasn't seen against Black Adam.

To be honest I just don't really think saying we only know if Superman is going all out if he hurts his hands is the best way to go about it. Not every writer is going to show that Superman has gone all out by showing him hurting his hands.

Then how would you judge it?

Especially with a guy like Supes, who has lip service and names MMH as one of the beings he's afraid to face, has 'never been punched so hard before!' etc etc and is often used by writers as a 'Worf', to establish the Big Bad - before defeating them?

It depends on who he is fighting and if he would even need to use full force in order to have any sort of effect on them. If Black Adam is someone you think he genuinely wouldn't need to go all out on in order to harm due to his durability feats that is different. If it was a character that was perhaps new and had no other showings then I'd try to use perhaps destruction to the surroundings as some sort of clue in addition to character statements.

It is also possible that yes Superman does slowly grow in power so he might not necessarily always be hurting himself to go all out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's a feat of how hard they're punching. Surely, this is common sense? I'm not even talking about being a Superfan or not here - just that the showing contradicts the statement (as you yourself pointed out, it DOES occur from time to time).

We see what happens when Superman gets desperate and goes all out....and he punches so hard he hurts himself. As seen against Doomsday, and now, Black Racer.

But it wasn't seen against Black Adam.

Lol...so does this only apply to Superman or is this across the board? I don't think Hulk ever hurt his hand punching someone so I'm guessing he wasn't going all out. Thor broke his wrist hitting Haarold so I'm guessing that was the only time he went all out. Help me understand this. Is this just a Superman thang?

When Superman fought HP Doomsday, he didn't hurt his fist. Are you implying Superman was holding back against this version of Doomsday? I'm sure I can prove you wrong. Let me know (WTF).

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so does this only apply to Superman or is this across the board? I don't think Hulk ever hurt his hand punching someone so I'm guessing he wasn't going all out. Thor broke his wrist hitting Haarold so I'm guessing that was the only time he went all out. Help me understand this. Is this just a Superman thang?

When Superman fought HP Doomsday, he didn't hurt his fist. Are you implying Superman was holding back against this version of Doomsday? I'm sure I can prove you wrong. Let me know (WTF).

He wasn't trying to slug it out with HP Doomsday. He deliberately used long distance attacks. He was also poisoned when punching Doomsday, so not at 100%.

After that, his arm was broken in two places (imagine trying to punch with your right arm when your left arm is snapped). So not 100%.

I can prove this.

Good try, carver. But I will help you understand.

Just FYI:

The fight sequence is:


Superman arrives on Apokolips, just as Doomsday is BFRed to Calaton.
They arrive at Calaton, and Motherbox upgrades Superman
Superman uses HV (and specifically says he DOESN'T want to use h2h)
Doomsday fires his claws, and poisons Superman
Superman uses sonics
Superman punches him (once?)
Superman uses his lightsabre, then HV
Doomsday grabs him, and snaps his arm twice
Superman gets caught up in that massive explosion, and 'hits his limit'
Does a right uppercut, putting everything he has into it
Sends Doomsday to the end of time.



So at no point does he punch with everything he has, whilst fresh, at Doomsday.

Edit: I am mistaken, he punches Doomsday twice. With his poisoned arm, and actually says how '....inside me, the feelings of a scared little boy bubble to the surface. Unfortunately, confidence is everything in a situation like this....'

This isn't me being a Superfan. This is me being anti-carver. Your arguments are terrible.

Originally posted by carver9
Reread my sentence.
Nah, I refuse to read nonsense twice.

Originally posted by carver9
While trying to convince Superman that the fight is pointless.

That doesn't means he wasn't fighting back.

That only happens in your eyes. But hey, you're the expert in making shit up.

Like who? I would like to see the scans carvster.

Haha, he was surprised because he was getting asphyxiation.

Lulz@ it's not being impressive. Mon-El was moving planets and throwing planets at time trapper in those days.

But hey, make some more shit up.

No, it doesn't.

Him being ticked off more than ever is a flat out lie.

And why not, we are going by statements, are we not?

So you think he was going all out against Creeper? Black Adam is as strong as Creeper?

Originally posted by abhilegend
At first. Then he was fighting just as much as Superman.

He turned his back because he knew he had no chance to win.
A Superman who was weakened by the magical virus of Yuurd. You will lose hard in who is called more powerful more times.

You're using a scan of Superman saying he doesn't needs to hold back as much as humans to denote as Superman was going all out.

Shut up already. How strong is wonder woman compared to superman

Around 75% to 80% strong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Around 75% to 80% strong. You sure about that?

Originally posted by abhilegend


So you think he was going all out against Creeper? Black Adam is as strong as Creeper?



Eclipso amps everyone to trans levels.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
You sure about that?
Yeah. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eclipso amps everyone to trans levels.
Unless it's Mon-El. Then he drops down to Street levels.

Teth is a cheap Namor knock off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Around 75% to 80% strong.
What?She only around 20% strong is too much for me
I never see / imagine Wonder Woman can bench press Earth weight five days

Didnt superman hurt his fist punching Thor in the cross over?

Also add thor to the list of people superman ever went all out on, he clearly hit him as hard as Doomsday.

Crossovers, alas, don't count.