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Something I am curious about how people feel. Now obviously I am not talking about hitting someone for no reason. I think hitting anyone, male or female, for no reason is wrong.

However, there are some out there that feel if a woman is the first to strike..if she is the one who initiates the violence..that the guy should still not be able to retaliate. So I am not asking what you would personally do, but do you think if someone is female and they decide to hit a man..that the man can hit her back?

Or rather let me put it another way since I know some people do not condone violence of any kind. Do you think that a man striking a female after the female has struck him first..is somehow worse then a man striking another man who hit him first?

Also keep in mind I am not talking about a guy getting slapped and then he punches the woman half a dozen times brutally. I am talking about a single slap for a slap, a punch for a punch. Not some kind of horrible beat down just because you got hit once.

I've dealt with violent women before. At first you laugh if it doesn't hurt you but they get worse and begin to use weapons. If you have to hit one to save yourself then you do what you must. I even had them block my way of escape. Thank god I was able to find a way without hitting her because the us is not fair in this manner

I'd probably just try to restrain her, tbh.

It's all about the context.

Really, though, if a guy came after you with a knife, are you gonna fight him or get out of there?

And if you managed to get the weapon away from the woman, do you need to hit her? (Assuming average woman, and not a Warrior Princess..)

Originally posted by Surtur
So I am not asking what you would personally do, but do you think if someone is female and they decide to hit a man..that the man can hit her back?

Yes.




Originally posted by Surtur
Do you think that a man striking a female after the female has struck him first..is somehow worse then a man striking another man who hit him first?

No.

Yes.

Two reasons why this is a topic is male chivalry and the fact that women are typically the weaker vessels. Society conditions most men to accept those two things. Regardless of the efforts of modern society promoting women as fully equal to their male counterparts, women are still viewed as inferior to men and in need of male protection.

I don't advocate hitting women. I was raised to treate them with respect and never hit them. Even if the women in question were like Chyna or Ronda Rousey, I'd still probably refrain from hitting.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Two reasons why this is a topic is male chivalry and the fact that women are typically the weaker vessels. Society conditions most men to accept those two things. Regardless of the efforts of modern society promoting women as fully equal to their male counterparts, women are still viewed as inferior to men and in need of male protection.

I don't advocate hitting women. I was raised to treate them with respect and never hit them. Even if the women in question were like Chyna or Ronda Rousey, I'd still probably refrain from hitting.
Well, I was raised to treat everyone with respect and to not hit people, but I wouldn't hesitate to hit anyone if I felt the situation called for it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Something I am curious about how people feel. Now obviously I am not talking about hitting someone for no reason. I think hitting anyone, male or female, for no reason is wrong.

However, there are some out there that feel if a woman is the first to strike..if she is the one who initiates the violence..that the guy should still not be able to retaliate. So I am not asking what you would personally do, but do you think if someone is female and they decide to hit a man..that the man can hit her back?

Or rather let me put it another way since I know some people do not condone violence of any kind. Do you think that a man striking a female after the female has struck him first..is somehow worse then a man striking another man who hit him first?

Also keep in mind I am not talking about a guy getting slapped and then he punches the woman half a dozen times brutally. I am talking about a single slap for a slap, a punch for a punch. Not some kind of horrible beat down just because you got hit once.
Yes.

Hitting people is not ok.

It's always okay to strike back in self-defense.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It's always okay to strike back in self-defense.

If people are not too scared to ever strike you, you're doing it wrong.

I didn't read previous posts so forgive me, maybe it's how I'm raised but long story short yes I believe so.

Despite the sex if someone poses a risk to your life, yes, you should mangle them despite their sex. You can have some limitless chilvary and feel fine with dying with it, but I'm sorry, if someone puts my life at risk? I'll do all I can to prevent that risk.

It's never okay to hit anyone.

Unless they're oppressing the poor.

In which case you kill them with a hammer and a sickle.

Going by our replies Kris and I have the same philosophy mmm

Women will sometimes abuse the fact that it's not ok to hit them.
They'll deliberately antagonise the situation then cry the victim when push comes to shove.

The tide is turning.

The rule is the exact same, you can use proportional force to defend yourself as necessary, but using excessive force or because the person was annoying or antagonistic or for vengeance or otherwise using violence premeditated is not okay.

Generally, don't hit anyone, if it can be avoided.

Nobody should hit anyone. That's how I was raised too, and it makes more sense. All I ever hear about is people saying to teach boys not to hit girls, adults need to teach both little boys and girls not to hit anyone, only in self defense.

"Of all manifestations of power, restraint impresses men most."
-- Thucyclides

Women are different. Demolish de b1tch.

Seriously: violence = absolute last resort, especially against someone weaker than you.

If you come home from work and the house is a mess and dinner isn't cooked, is it ok to smack the wife around a little bit?

Ha, domestic abuse exists, hilarious. Classic punchline.

The simple answer yes.

The long answer. I grew up with the same morals a lot of people here are saying. You should never hit a woman. They deserve our protection.

But in imo that mind set was horrible. In turns women into objects and objectives instead of people. So now I take them on a case by case scenario. And I would hit a woman for the same reasons I would hit a man. Of course those reasons are few and basically boil down to defending myself or defending someone else if they need it regardless of genders involved.

And I think the most important is the context part. I look at the person instead of the gender and evaluate from there.

Originally posted by Newjak
The simple answer yes.

The long answer. I grew up with the same morals a lot of people here are saying. You should never hit a woman. They deserve our protection.

But in imo that mind set was horrible. In turns women into objects and objectives instead of people.

"I consider you a person, you're not an object in my mind"

*bashes her head in*

Originally posted by Bentley
"I consider you a person, you're not an object in my mind"

*bashes her head in*

"I respect you as a human being!"

*two pieces her*

Yes, if that woman is Bardock42.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Women will sometimes abuse the fact that it's not ok to hit them.
They'll deliberately antagonise the situation then cry the victim when push comes to shove.

so, so true

We need to get rid of double standards in gender relations.

The question shouldn't be if it's okay to hit a woman, but if it's okay to hit anyone, and if so, when and why.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
We need to get rid of double standards in gender relations.

The question shouldn't be if it's okay to hit a woman, but if it's okay to hit anyone, and if so, when and why.

dang. you almost sound like a conservative

Yeah, if your definition of 'conservative' is the opposite of what conservative actually means.

Originally posted by Slay
Yeah, if your definition of 'conservative' is the opposite of what conservative actually means.

dang. you almost sound like a human

Originally posted by Bentley
If people are not too scared to ever strike you, you're doing it wrong. Stupidity always overrides fear.

That's why white people love sailing off the coast of Somalia.

Originally posted by Raisen
dang. you almost sound like a conservative
I don't know what you think a conservative sounds like.

Originally posted by Raisen
dang. you almost sound like a human
dang, you almost sound like you're funny.

dang, this was almost a conversation

I recall having a friend in high school that after becoming comfortable with you would slap, or attempt to slap you in the face, head, etc. I warned her to never do that to me again, and she stopped. I didn't have to escalate the situation to a point that we could not come back from. It is not okay to hit another human being. If a woman hits you and you warn her about it, she should never hit you again. If she continues after that point you get the proper authorities involved, and do whatever you can to stay away from that person. Women are typically weaker than men this is true. That's also not the point.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If you come home from work and the house is a mess and dinner isn't cooked, is it ok to smack the wife around a little bit?
No.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Stupidity always overrides fear.

That's why white people love sailing off the coast of Somalia.

Well, if you ignore what it is that you must fear, then you cannot fear it properly. This is why an excellent education system makes a society full of cowards

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, if you ignore what it is that you must fear, then you cannot fear it properly. This is why an excellent education system makes a society full of cowards

You can't exactly turn fear on or off.
It's an inner demon that you must learn when to listen to it & when to ignore it.

Equal rights, equal fights

Yes, if a woman hits a man, hit her back. So she's weaker than you? I guess she shouldn't have been dumb enough to start a fight she couldn't win, huh?

1) Don't hit non-combatants period, whatever their sex. If someone isn't a fighter, isn't fighting, don't hit them.

2) In self defense, if you can manage without hitting the other person, do so (restraint is often preferable), but if your safety requires you hitting some else, then yea, you can hit 'em, regardless of sex. Worry about your safety first, archaic social concerns later, or never.

3) In defense of another, ditto. Worry about other's safety first, social concerns later or never.

4) In a boxing match or martial arts contest, go right ahead.

The point with restraining a woman is when do you stop restraining her before it's considered "against her will"?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You can't exactly turn fear on or off.
It's an inner demon that you must learn when to listen to it & when to ignore it.

Well, but you cannot fear a dangerous situation that you ignore entirely. For example, a dog cannot fear a kid holding a gun if he has never seen a gunshot. It's not really about turning it on and off, it's really about it working in coalition with our experiences.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Two reasons why this is a topic is male chivalry and the fact that women are typically the weaker vessels. Society conditions most men to accept those two things. Regardless of the efforts of modern society promoting women as fully equal to their male counterparts, women are still viewed as inferior to men and in need of male protection.

I don't advocate hitting women. I was raised to treate them with respect and never hit them. Even if the women in question were like Chyna or Ronda Rousey, I'd still probably refrain from hitting.

I want to say I realize women are weaker then men, but for me that is just all the more reason they shouldn't initiate violence.

After all if a 5'2 male who weighs 120 lbs goes up to a 6'5 guy who weighs 230 lbs and hits him and then gets laid out I don't think people would say he shouldn't of done it because the guy was weaker.

I just think of stuff like that recent college football player who got kicked off the team because he hit a female after she'd struck him first. Or that bus driver who the woman hit him and stuff so he uppercutted her and I think he got fired. There was an uproar so maybe he got his job back.

mvmhaAvDaeo

In case anyone doesn't catch what happens due to the shaky camera, this girl was shouting at this bus driver and then they trade insults back and forth. Something the guy says gets a laugh out of everyone so the woman then physically attacks him. Then he gets up and uppercuts her once.

I mean there is no question..he hit her just once, but HARD as hell. Then you have some women saying the woman is the victim, but if that was a dude that got rocked like I said I don't think people would be having the same reaction.

But there is the other problem, some women try to take advantage of the "you can't hit a female" thing. They think they can put their hands on you and they have some sort of immunity and then when it turns out whoops this guy doesn't adhere to that rule..here come the tears and the cries of "she a female!".

Also notice how the b*tch pops RIGHT back up after that hit? This is why I sort of laugh when people say he should of just tried to remove her from the bus. They think this type of woman would just allow that? Look at the force of that hit and then see how not long after she is right back on the attack.

I mean what the hell do you do with a woman like that?

So I think we can all agree: Never hit a woman, but slap a b*tch.

BDSM.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also notice how the b*tch pops RIGHT back up after that hit? This is why I sort of laugh when people say he should of just tried to remove her from the bus. They think this type of woman would just allow that? Look at the force of that hit and then see how not long after she is right back on the attack.

I mean what the hell do you do with a woman like that?

Probably should have called the cops and had her escorted off the bus, possibly arrested. That.

And in the time it takes for the cops to get there? Is she allowed free reign to just pound on him till then? What if he can't restrain her? A determined person can do a ton of damage in the time it would take to A) call the cops since she probably won't just let it happen, and B) for them to get there. I don't really have a problem at all with how he handled that.

I have no problem with calling the cops to handle the situation, that's the right thing to do. But he has every right to defend himself until they get there. What a person has between their legs shouldn't determine whether or not you can defend yourself from harm.

Yes, men are bigger and stronger usually. But people act like that means men are totally immune from the harm a woman can cause, which simply isn't true. Violence should always be a last resort, but if someone is pounding on you and you have to defend yourself, their sex shouldn't matter. Do what you have to do to defend yourself, but only what you have to do, so use the minimum amount of force necessary to insure your safety.

Pound on him? She appeared to have pushed or possibly slapped him once, the other man is standing in the way when they meet; hard to see. Now she shouldn't have done that, but an uppercut is a bit excessive in that situation, she was hardly a threat to the man.

It's fine protecting yourself with force, but you also need to use proper force in the given situation when retaliating. If a 70 year old lady slaps you, do you turn around and elbow strike her in the temple because she attacked you? No, you shouldn't.

Rob stop discriminating. You have to punch that old lady man, you have to. It's sexist if you don't.

The lib logic is twisted

You're the one that apparently wants to use excessive force against a senior and you call other's twisted? Odd.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pound on him? She appeared to have pushed or possibly slapped him once, the other man is standing in the way when they meet; hard to see. Now she shouldn't have done that, but an uppercut is a bit excessive in that situation, she was hardly a threat to the man.

It's fine protecting yourself with force, but you also need to use proper force in the given situation when retaliating. If a 70 year old lady slaps you, do you turn around and elbow strike her in the temple because she attacked you? No, you shouldn't.

We don't disagree often...but that old cow is getting drop-kicked off the top rope...lights out, pinned for a 3 count and then bagged up.

I think someone can be too young to hit, but not too old to hit. Once you're an adult there is no excuse. I mean like if a baby accidentally slapped me I'd PROBABLY let it slide.