Asajj Ventress vs. Shaak Ti vs. Satele Shan vs. Raskta Lsu

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|King Joker|
Everyone is in their prime. Battle takes place on the fields of Lothal.

*Raskta is empowered by Worror's Battle Meditation*

Emperordmb
Edit: Shit NM it's a fourway.

This'll require some more thought.

Edit #2: I'm strongly leaning Raskta as this is a fourway so the attention won't be entirely on her, it's likely she can eviscerate her opponents in raw sabers before she gets Force rekt, given her insane BM amped speed. If she does get taken out with the Force though, I'm not sure who wins.

carthage
Asajj wins

AncientPower
Ti wins, group combat is her mojo.

EmperorSidious2
Between Shaak and Satele

|King Joker|
Originally posted by carthage
Asajj wins Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Between Shaak and Satele Reasons?

EmperorSidious2
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Reasons?

Shaak Ti is an all around good deulist and powerful force weilder, but I'm not sure if her force power is better than Satele. Ventress to me is a factor, but she is outclassed here by her competition. So I see it coming down to Satele and Ti, and between them I would probably go Ti, due to her physicality and ability to compete in the force and maybe being slightly superior in sabers but I'm not really sure.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Is this Shaak as of TFU and if so can she use Kinatite, or is this ROTS Ti?
TFU. OP says everyone in their prime.

EmperorSidious2
Originally posted by Emperordmb
TFU. OP says everyone in their prime.

Yea once I reread it I edited my post. You got me before I could fix. laughing out loud

Syndicate
Very close fight. Would probably go Shaak but since it's an all around close fight I figure I might as well argue for my fave character. I'll go Ventress.

S_W_LeGenD
Interesting contest.

- Since Raskta Lsu is empowered by Battle Meditation, she is a legitimate threat to others in this contest.

- Shaak Ti and Satele Shan are powerhouses.

- Asajj Ventress is the weakest link here.

Ventress might be the first to go down in this contest, IMO. We are left with Ti, Shan and Lsu then. Lsu can score a kill through her sheer expertise in melee but she can be stopped through Force powers. Shan is very good at evading attacks and can create enough space to resort to use of her powers to overwhelm an opponent.

Not sure how Ti would behave under the circumstances; would she side with someone or would she attempt to take advantage of a clash between the other two?

Assumptions have to be made. I predict 3 possible outcomes:

1. Suppose that Ti and Shan remove Lsu from the contest; then both have a shot at victory.

2. Suppose that Shan and Lsu remove Ti from the contest; then I believe that Shan will win.

3. Suppose that Ti and Lsu remove Shan from the contest; then Ti have a shot at victory.

Q99
Satele strikes me as the most well-rounded and best overall. Several *could* win, but Shan has the best odds IMO.

AncientPower
Ti > Shan in all tbh.

Tondemonai
Satele. Ventress would probably get taken out first, not just because she's the weak link but also the Jedi would probably want to remove the one Dark Sider first. Then it gets hard to decide. Lsu could potentially overwhelm Ti with a melee attack and her BM amp, but I'm not so sure she'd take out Satele. Satele's consistency with being able to evade attacks and incorporate Force attacks/use in stressful situations and the speed at which she can do so would give her the edge over Lsu. If Raskta went after Shaak Ti then Lsu'd probably take the win. I personally haven't seen anything Ti's done in terms of using the Force in combat that could thwart a direct melee assault. Her Force powers are definitely a threat, however, I don't personally see her being able to utilize them against Lsu unless used from a distance and when not engaged in combat. Most all of the showings I've seen from her needed to be charged and channeled thoroughly before unleashing them to any effect, and thus I don't see her being able to best Lsu. Ultimately, if it came down to Raskta and Satele, Satele would take it for sure. If it came down to Shaak Ti and Satele, it would really depend on the setting. If Lsu went after Satele, then it might be a win for Shaak Ti. Satele would have to put some effort into fending off her BM amped saber assault and manage to use her Force superiority to win (which is the most likely outcome). Ti could use this time to ready a Force attack that could potentially overwhelm either survived of the encounter. Satele might be able to defend herslf or evade the attack but idk. If she evades it then she could take the win with her faster and arguably stronger Force attacks. All-in-all 'bout 50/50 chance for either in that case. If either can eliminate Lsu from a distance without engaging at melee, then it would probably go to Satele, again, because of her arguably superior Force abilities. Ultimately unless Satele is somehow taken out before it comes down to the final two, she wins.

Syndicate
People are underrating Ventress here. Her skills feats are better then anybody here except arguably Raskta.

It's true however that if this is in character the lightsiders would probably aim to take her out first. Is it morales on?

carthage
Ventress pressured Mace in a duel, defeated Kit Fisto (one of the greatest Swordsmen produced by the Jedi order), held off DD Vos, and repeatedly challenged Kenobi/Anakin in duels. Raskta has only reportedly beaten featless Sith.

They aren't even in the same league as duelists.

Ventress stomps her

|King Joker|
Yeah, the Jedi aren't allowed to gang up on Ventress and take her out. Totes unfair.

Syndicate
Originally posted by carthage
Ventress pressured Mace in a duel, defeated Kit Fisto (one of the greatest Swordsmen produced by the Jedi order), held off DD Vos, and repeatedly challenged Kenobi/Anakin in duels. Raskta has only reportedly beaten featless Sith.

They aren't even in the same league as duelists.

Ventress stomps her

I said debatably Raskta who has herself slaughtered armies of Sith and held off and pressured orbalisk Bane by herself. This was on a stated potent DS nexus so I look at any advantages the battle meditation would have give given her and see them as canceled out because of this. This is included for Bane considering battle mediation is shown to weaken enemies as well as empower allies.

I would however say that I agree that Ventress is the superior duelist to Raskta or anybody else here for that matter.

Syndicate
Yeah the more I look at this the more i see it as being Ventress's game. While Shaak and Satele are powerful enough to land a force attack on her I doubt it would do much more then prove a temporary distraction. Her skill advantage is just too much and Raskta her only real opponent should likely be taken out by a force attack from one of her 3 opponents.

Emperordmb
Raskta with battle meditation is absolutely a better duelist than anyone else here.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Raskta with battle meditation is absolutely a better duelist than anyone else here.

Oh wait. She has battle meditation? Yeah, she's probably above Ventress then.

Tondemonai
Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh wait. She has battle meditation? Yeah, she's probably above Ventress then.

Read the OP bro

Syndicate
Nobody reads the OP. Not even the OP reads their own bullshit.

|King Joker|
How can I write it without reading it

Syndicate
Originally posted by |King Joker|
How can I write it without reading it

http://orig08.deviantart.net/b2f2/f/2013/198/a/1/because_potato_background_by_lakloplak-d6dvd2o.jpg

|King Joker|
LOL

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Raskta with battle meditation is absolutely a better duelist than anyone else here.

Oh, you think so? That is completely unexpected of you.

Asajj has a good chance of winning if she plays the gals off each other and of Course stealth is her forte,as is evasion.

Shaak Ti thrives in group combat, this coupled with her tendrils make her a highly legitimate threat here, her powers only add to this.

Satele's well rounded in ability, she's likely able to floor everyone here with her superior TK abilities, and her unique powers also add to this. Her ability to fend off some of Malgus' strength does suggest she won't be utterly overwhelmed by anyone here, this and her superior force defenses make her a very difficult enemy for most of these ladies.

Raskta's skilled, but she's facing several equally skilled if not superior lightsaber specialist, and is pathetically outclassed in a force fight. If she gets close she can do some damage, if she's not, she gets obliterated.

Tough call, not quite sure who out of the top three would win.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Oh, you think so? That is completely unexpected of you.

Raskta's skilled, but she's facing several equally skilled if not superior lightsaber specialist
Satele isn't even remotely equally skilled to Raskta as a duelist, and none of the other duelists could hold their ground against ROT Bane's offensive.

None of the other duelists could match BM Raskta's speed either, given that her striking speed when amped is even higher than Grievous's.

Raskta with BM is clearly the greatest martial combatant here.

carthage
She isn't more skilled than Ventress at all; she has is her BM amping her physicals, ROT Bane isn't even that great of a duelist all he had going for him was the protection/amp from the Orbalisks.

To suggest she's better than Ventress who fights against some of the best Swordsmen in the Jedi order's history (Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Obi Wan) is laughable.

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Satele isn't even remotely equally skilled to Raskta as a duelist, and none of the other duelists could hold their ground against ROT Bane's offensive.

None of the other duelists could match BM Raskta's speed either, given that her striking speed when amped is even higher than Grievous's.

Raskta with BM is clearly the greatest martial combatant here.

So you believe. But since My disagreeing with your comments is now seen like I'm a dick, i'll keep my mouth shut, to avoid further unpleasantness.

Syndicate
Raskta's striking speed is faster them Grievous's? 0_o Emp. I support you and all.

But can I get reasons?

Syndicate
@carthage: To be fair BM does increase the focus, morale and cohesiveness of those being affected by it.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
So you believe. But since My disagreeing with your comments is now seen like I'm a dick, i'll keep my mouth shut, to avoid further unpleasantness.

Wait...what? Im sorry, this bizarre interaction simply caught my eye. You enter the thread making a sarcastic statement about DMB and his views, then when he responds without a hint of aggression, you say he thinks you're a dick for disagreeing with him? Wha?!

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Syndicate
Raskta's striking speed is faster them Grievous's? 0_o Emp. I support you and all.

But can I get reasons?
Certainly. When Bane charges at her, she lands half a dozen strikes on him before he can close the distance between them.
Assuming Bane was charging at the sprinting speed of the average person, assuming Raskta has meter long arms (which would make the distance between them before she could strike at him 2 meters), and assuming it took the entire time that Bane took to cross the distance for Raskta to land six blows on him, Raskta would've been striking at a rate of 20 strikes per second.

20 strikes per second would be based on a blatant underestimation however, as Bane as a Force wielder covered in orbalisks would be running significantly faster than the average person (Farfalla only being able to evade his charge due to BM is proof enough of this), Raskta does not have meter long arms as she's not even two meters tall and arm length is less than half of one's height, and she would've finished striking before Bane closed the distance as his body never collided with hers.

Syndicate
Can I get the quote for that?

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Syndicate
Can I get the quote for that?
"Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen. But instead of toppling, the big man kept coming, never even breaking stride. He would have plowed straight into Raskta, trampling her under his heavy boots, had she not cartwheeled to the side at the last possible instant."-ROT

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Wait...what? Im sorry, this bizarre interaction simply caught my eye. You enter the thread making a sarcastic statement about DMB and his views, then when he responds without a hint of aggression, you say he thinks you're a dick for disagreeing with him? Wha?!

Just because i don't put a tongue smiley at the end of it doesn't mean all my comments are genuine.

Syndicate
Run me through the calculations again Emp.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Syndicate
Run me through the calculations again Emp.
Considering Bane was running at her, the standard lightsaber blade length of a meter, and the average human footspeed of 15 mph (or 6.7056 meters per second), for her to land half a dozen strikes on Bane before he could close what was at most a two meter distance between them (a meter for Raskta's bladelength, and an estimated meter for her arm length), a conservative estimate suggests her striking speed would need to be around twenty strikes per second: (6 strikes)/ = (6 strikes)/(.298 seconds) = 20.134 strikes per second

Syndicate
*Grimaces*

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Syndicate
Yeah the more I look at this the more i see it as being Ventress's game. While Shaak and Satele are powerful enough to land a force attack on her I doubt it would do much more then prove a temporary distraction. Her skill advantage is just too much and Raskta her only real opponent should likely be taken out by a force attack from one of her 3 opponents.
What a load of crap.

Satele Shan would utterly shit on the likes of Asajj Ventres with her Force powers.

cs_zoltan

AncientPower
Windu and Lsu have great speed feats but let's not overrate them, not when we have Leneer stretching time with her perceptions and shit. Pretty sure she benched Luke's nano-second speed.

|King Joker|
Math calculations in SW can go **** themselves, imo tbh.

Fated Xtasy
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Math calculations in SW can go **** themselves, imo tbh.

This. As impressive sounding as this all is, let's be mindful of the fact that their speed isn't something that can be simplified.

After all these are only rough estimates.

|King Joker|
Like seriously doing all these calculations in regards to SW characters to find out their speed is just ridiculous lmao

AncientPower
Whole idea of speed advantage in Star Wars has been dumped on so much, not even worth a part of a debate, though i hold nothing against those who pursue that line of logic.

cs_zoltan
I guess you guys missed the irony of my post.

Mace Windu, the second most powerful Jedi up until his time is certainly above Lsu. Yet he could still not match Grievous' speed, but he has a "math" feat that says he could.

For Lsu, who was noted to be a not so powerful force user, to have Grievous level of speed is just ridiculous.

Emperordmb
Good for Windu. He needs more respect too IMO

Was actually thinking about making an RT for the guy after the Ones, Vestara, Darish Vol, and the intermediary Banite Sith. So thanks for the quote Zoltan thumb up

FreshestSlice
Speed is usually just a dick-measuring contest between writers, honestly. That and most other Force abilities.

The_Tempest
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Considering Bane was running at her, the standard lightsaber blade length of a meter, and the average human footspeed of 15 mph (or 6.7056 meters per second), for her to land half a dozen strikes on Bane before he could close what was at most a two meter distance between them (a meter for Raskta's bladelength, and an estimated meter for her arm length), a conservative estimate suggests her striking speed would need to be around twenty strikes per second: (6 strikes)/ = (6 strikes)/(.298 seconds) = 20.134 strikes per second

lmao

Emperordmb
Landing half a dozen strikes before a powerful force user can cover less than two meters of distance while charging is an impressive speed feat no matter how you slice it.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That and most other Force abilities.
TOR writers kinda prove your point there.

The_Tempest
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Landing half a dozen strikes before a powerful force user can cover less than two meters of distance while charging is an impressive speed feat no matter how you slice it.

No arguments there. But that post made me lol for so many reasons. How are you handling Bane's inferiority to Tenebrous btw?

Emperordmb
Originally posted by The_Tempest
No arguments there. But that post made me lol for so many reasons. How are you handling Bane's inferiority to Tenebrous btw?
I'm not sure what to make of the intermediary Banite masters yet, but if that's the case it's something to wank Tenebrous off of rather than to lowball Bane.

AncientPower
Canon Bane>Tenebrous, due to ground realities. That and Karpyshyn butchered Jedi vs Sith.

AncientPower
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not sure what to make of the intermediary Banite masters yet, but if that's the case it's something to wank Tenebrous off of rather than to lowball Bane.

If only...

The_Tempest
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not sure what to make of the intermediary Banite masters yet, but if that's the case it's something to wank Tenebrous off of rather than to lowball Bane.

Why aren't you sure? Pretty straightforward.

Syndicate
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What a load of crap.

Satele Shan would utterly shit on the likes of Asajj Ventres with her Force powers.

Satele Shan? Her best unamped feat is breaking a durasteel door. Lol.

Emperordmb
Easily crushing Hex droids is better since they're noted to be more durable than durasteel.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Easily crushing Hex droids is better since they're noted to be more durable than durasteel.

The durasteel door was larger though and she blasted it apart. *Shrug* Either way.

Emperordmb
Whatever Set Harth's rock juggling feat is better than the feats of anyone else in this thread.

The_Tempest
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why aren't you sure? Pretty straightforward.

Genuinely curious, DMB. You didn't offer any explanation on CV, either.

Emperordmb
Largely has to do with definitions of power as they relate to combative ability, as one of the sources blatantly weighs foresight as being greater power than combative ability. As well as the obscurity of the characters. I'll have a point of view after I make an RT for the intermediary dudes.

cs_zoltan
Read this thread DMB: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/tenebrous-vs-bane-and-zannah-rot-1770894/

|King Joker|
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I guess you guys missed the irony of my post. Nah I didn't I was more addressing what I thought about that shit in general because it was brought up in this thread

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