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All characters in their primes. Fight takes place in the Death Star Observatory.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
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I'm still not knowledgeable enough on Valkorion to comment. I want to read everyone's opinion on this.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I'm still not knowledgeable enough on Valkorion to comment. I want to read everyone's opinion on this.

Well, if you do believe that Nox is a Vader-level force user, then Valkorion destroys them.

You did this to bait me.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, if you do believe that Nox is a Vader-level force user, then Valkorion destroys them.

What has Vitiate done to Nox?

It's more like what Arcann and Revan can do to Nox, both of whom are far, (and in Arcann's case, very far) below Valkorion.

What did Arcann do? Also are you talking about that feat where Revan ragdolls an unknown protagonist?

Arcann has shown himself capable of throwing Nox around multiple times, in cutscene. 2 of which were akin to ragdolling. And yes, the feat where any of the protags "couldn't fight him (Revan) alone" and required the aid of a strike team. Which still proved to be an apparent ordeal.

For Revan I can admit that's fair and play it off due to unknown circumstances in my own head at least.

Can you post the quote, scan, gif of Arcann directly overwhelming Nox though? I didn't know he was such a beast.

Originally posted by Syndicate
What has Vitiate done to Nox?
Knock them out cold just by dying.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Knock them out cold just by dying.

Eh?

Originally posted by Syndicate
For Revan I can admit that's fair and play it off due to unknown circumstances in my own head at least.

Can you post the quote, scan, gif of Arcann directly overwhelming Nox though? I didn't know he was such a beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHrjv0MSy8 20:35 and onward. And yes, it's the HoT, but i just couldnt find the nox video. And yes, the same thing happens to nox as well.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHrjv0MSy8 20:35 and onward. And yes, it's the HoT, but i just couldnt find the nox video. And yes, the same thing happens to nox as well.

I don't really know what to think of these kind of cutscenes. It's not shown whether this is HoT or Nox and I don't know whether it's saying that Arcann could beat either of them with similar ease or that it's one or the other and KOTOR has yet to announce a canon storyline.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I don't know whether it's saying that Arcann could beat either of them with similar ease or that it's one or the other and KOTOR has yet to announce a canon storyline.

Even if it's the latter, the former would still hold true, given the evidence.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Even if it's the latter, the former would still hold true, given the evidence.

You hold HoT and Nox on the same level?

Huh? I'm saying that we can see Arcann overwhelming/overpowering Nox on screen.

Anyways though I'd say this probably goes to Valkorian. If he can down Vader early enough in the fight he beats Starkiller and I see that as a likely scenario given how potent Valkorian's power is and Vader's own weakness to it ( even with insulated armor ). If Vader can find a way to last through the fight though and both he and Starkiller manage to split his attention they could take it.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Huh? I'm saying that we can see Arcann overwhelming/overpowering Nox on screen.

But we can see the same for HoT. If they singled out a single story line as canon that would mean that Arcann dominating Nox might not be canon.

Lulz@Valkorion not taking out Starkiller first.

Yes, but as of right now, given that there's no concrete answer as to whom undergoes these events, (and there probably will never be a concrete answer,) we can see that Arcann is fully capable of overwhelming and overpowering Nox, same as the HoT. Not only that, but yeah, the Hero is on par with if not above Nox.

Yeah, this logic is terrible. Saying Arcann could "ragdoll Nox" and then turn around and say he could "beat the Hero in a duel" doesn't go far as a working argument. It's essentially the same as a Nox supporter claiming that Nox performed just as well against Arcann as the Hero did in their cutscene duel, and is thus an equally skilled swordsman.

Kek @ people thinking team 2 has any chance

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, but as of right now, given that there's no concrete answer as to whom undergoes these events, (and there probably will never be a concrete answer,) we can see that Arcann is fully capable of overwhelming and overpowering Nox, same as the HoT. Not only that, but yeah, the Hero is on par with if not above Nox.

Well that's why I'm saying I'm unsure how to handle those feats. Also why would you say the HoT is equal to Nox? I thought he only landed a force push on a weakened dying Vitiate?

What we know is that Arcann is at least powerful enough to ragdoll the protagonists individually.

Not even a good fight.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
What we know is that Arcann is at least powerful enough to ragdoll the protagonists individually.

Do we though?!

Yes.

I don't feel good about this.

Then it's definitely true.

That was mean.

Admit that you liked it.

*Pouts* No.

Looks like he'll have to make you do so. Fresh, lemme go get the anal prober.

Valkorion soundly

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/3c/Darth_Marrs_death.png/revision/latest?cb=20151026201005

For those who don't know what the above image is, it's Valkorion one-shorting Marr.

Just had a feeling that people would ask kuz they don't know what it is

No on is asking that because we've been talking about it since August of last year.

You'd be surprised at the stupid shit people ask. Look at me and Syn

I'm so disappointed in Marr's death. Kinda was hoping he was more powerful. Shame.

As if being more powerful is even a factor with Valkorion. He one-shot Arcann as well.

Still, to be recognized as the 'leader' of the Council, his feats suck. Does he even have any?

Yeah.

Nice. Kudos to Ant.

Arcann's more powerful than Marr anyway, he was down in one hit. It's not really that damning to lose Valkorion.

Of course it's not, my comment doesn't really have anything to do with Valkorion. I'm just saying I would've liked to see more out of Marr.

What you said is that Marr's death made you question his power. It shouldn't.

I understand Valkorion one-shoting Marr doesn't make Marr weak, I'm just saying I would've liked to see more out of him before his death.

He's still a Force ghost; seemingly more similar to Yoda & Obi-Wan than Sith Spirits. We may see more from him yet.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
He's still a Force ghost; seemingly more similar to Yoda & Obi-Wan than Sith Spirits. We may see more from him yet.

Which is total retardness. As pragmatic as he was, he was still a dark side force user. He was dying from the dark side corruption ffs.

But unlike practically all other Sith Marr was prepared to face death, clinging to the material world is what prevents Sith from becoming one with the Force. Not because they wield the dark side. But hopefully that will be elaborated on.

Marr is intriguing, Jadus is still potentially at large so his return may be coming up. Which would be fantastic because Jadus is probably the most interesting Sith since Traya.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
But unlike practically all other Sith Marr was prepared to face death, clinging to the material world is what prevents Sith from becoming one with the Force. Not because they wield the dark side. But hopefully that will be elaborated on.
Sounds like a normal Sith specter from datamined info.

Well, being able to appear on whatever that planet he was on distinguishes him from the norm imo, but we'll see.

@AP, Jadus' reappearance is overdue tbh.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah.

He has Marr's pimp slap as a feat

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well, being able to appear on whatever that planet he was on distinguishes him from the norm imo, but we'll see.

Kallig tho.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Which is total retardness. As pragmatic as he was, he was still a dark side force user. He was dying from the dark side corruption ffs.

Kek that wouldn't stop him from becoming a Force Ghost. The Sith hold on to life and retain a spiritual form if they are strong enough to reject becoming one with the Force.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kallig tho.

True, and seeing as how he was seemingly very powerful it could be that he was able to move to a different location because he was strong enough. That would explain Marr appearing on a different world to Zakuul, but it's still possible he's a ghost rather than a Sith Spirit.

No, it really isn't. He plainly says it's physically taxing for him to remain here.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kallig tho. True, but as you said that was very taxing for Kallig to accomplish, and could have been aided, if only made possible, by his connection to Nox. Much like it was the case for Talzin and Maul.

Kallig also had the Dark Temple to replenish his power, Marr died in space, and doesn't appear tethered to anywhere in particular.

Odessen is supposed to be some perfect nexus of Force energy in absolute balance, where he and Satele can work whatever plot magic they need, and like I already said, he says existing is taxing.