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Perseus from the two COTT reboot movies runs a gauntlet, swordfighting and fistfighting his opponents in separate fights. He has his Scorpioch shield and his armor along with his Lightning sword in the first two matches, then he fights the last two shirtless and armed with his Lightning sword only. In the fistfights he is (obviously) unarmed:
1. The Mountain Gregor Clegane - has his armor, gauntlets and whatever else in both fights. He only loses his bladed weapons before the fistfight
2. Deadpool (2016) - is armed with only his sword during the swordfight and unarmed during the fistifght
3. Blade (movies) - has only his sword for the sword fight and shirtless inboth the swordfight and the fistfight
4. Jason Vorhees (zombie) - gets his machete for the swordfight and is in his regular attire for both fights
Fight takes place where Perseus fought Calibos. How does he perform in these matches?

No opinions?

Stops at 1.

Gregor wrecks his shit.

All three others destroy him.

See the last two posts:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f106/t526837.html

Sigh another graveyard thread

Perseus with his lightning sword (which I understand was a version of Zeus thunderbolt?) should clear easily.

In fistfight, I doubt he will get past the mountain, and if he does, he has absolutely no way to put down Wade.

Yeah, I'm thinking he could get past the Mountain. Some of Perseus' top end "feats" can def be categorized as "peak human" IMO. At leasst in the fighting speed department (his battle with Calibos). Mountain had tons of problems with Oberon's speed, Perseus in top form could easily replicate that, IMO.

Stops at DP, tho. No way he can get DP down and DP easily exceeds him speed-wise.

Yeah, had a look at the feats and I would say he could definitely get past Mountain with weapons. TV show Mountain doesn't hold a candle to his book counterpart. H2H I am not sure about. Mountain is in full plate armour, so Perseus could have trouble with that.

The rest of them should handle him without problems. Only way he would pose any threat to Wade is if DP was in a clowning mood, and not taking him seriously.

Yeah, meant with weapons. Fistfight vs someone with plated gauntlets and full plate armor is a whole diff story.

Stops at 2

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Some of Perseus' top end "feats" can def be categorized as "peak human" IMO.
IMHO, Perseus' top end feats could very well go into the enhanced and superhuman territory
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Only way he would pose any threat to Wade is if DP was in a clowning mood, and not taking him seriously.
With weapons I can understand, but is Wade that physically durable that he could put down Perseus in H2h before going down, or is that he's too strong that Perseus goes down before he gives enough damage?
Either way, what feats of Deadpool makes you think that? I haven't seen the Deadpool movie so some points would be nice

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, I'm thinking he could get past the Mountain. Some of Perseus' top end "feats" can def be categorized as "peak human" IMO. At leasst in the fighting speed department (his battle with Calibos). Mountain had tons of problems with Oberon's speed, Perseus in top form could easily replicate that, IMO.

Stops at DP, tho. No way he can get DP down and DP easily exceeds him speed-wise. Except when confronted with a H2H situation against Gregor, he had no answer for it, and got his head exploded, Gregor is above Peak Human.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
With weapons I can understand, but is Wade that physically durable that he could put down Perseus in H2h before going down, or is that he's too strong that Perseus goes down before he gives enough damage?
Either way, what feats of Deadpool makes you think that? I haven't seen the Deadpool movie so some points would be nice

Well, Wade could jump off the side of a bridge, and fall the equivalent of several stories, into a speeding car, without sustaining any injury, and even when he did get injured in the film, he recovered extremely rapidly, including being at the center of a large explosion.

And he himself had notable levels of enhanced strength, and could do things like casually one-arm toss a person several feet or send them flying even further with a kick, easily lift a large man over his head after impaling him with his swords, kick someone into a car door so hard it knocks the thing off its hinge, sending the door and person flying down the road, tackle a guy into a thick wooden beam hard enough to break it, and, seemingly quite easily, drive a sword through a guy and into a concrete barrier, deep enough to pin him there, to name some examples.

And that's ignoring the fact that Wade was extremely fast, skilled, nimble and acrobatic as well.

Also, the whole peak human/low superhuman thing is a very vague category, as we also discussed in another thread. Hell, I recently started rewatching Firefly, and Jaynne picks up and tosses people like 10-15 feet during some of the fights, but I wouldn't say he is a "superhuman" in his world. Best rather to just compare feats than try to judge what is "peak" and what is "super".

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Except when confronted with a H2H situation against Gregor, he had no answer for it, and got his head exploded, Gregor is above Peak Human.

Yes, and if you'd scroll down a lil bit more, you'd know I was agreeing with that...

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, the whole peak human/low superhuman thing is a very vague category, as we also discussed in another thread.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, Wade could jump off the side of a bridge, and fall the equivalent of several stories, into a speeding car, without sustaining any injury, and even when he did get injured in the film, he recovered extremely rapidly, including being at the center of a large explosion.

And he himself had notable levels of enhanced strength, and could do things like casually one-arm toss a person several feet or send them flying even further with a kick, easily lift a large man over his head after impaling him with his swords, kick someone into a car door so hard it knocks the thing off its hinge, sending the door and person flying down the road, tackle a guy into a thick wooden beam hard enough to break it, and, seemingly quite easily, drive a sword through a guy and into a concrete barrier, deep enough to pin him there, to name some examples.

And that's ignoring the fact that Wade was extremely fast, skilled, nimble and acrobatic as well.


As for recovering injuries quickly, i know he healed from being shot in the hand, but did he seriously heal from an exposion very fast? Becuase from few clips i've seen he took a lot of time to heal back his arm from the wrist up. Also what's this him not being able to heal broken bones quickly enoug that I am hearing about?

Also,about the sword into the concrete, didn't that guy pull it out and escape? So was that Ajax or was that some mook?

Anway, prepare for the walls of text (you judge if its Kurupt-lite) of Perseus strength and durability

The closing in walls of the labyrinth crushed a large rock caught in between them into debris in seconds as if it was made of clay. Didn't even slow down the thing for a second

The chains used to bind Zeus were magical, and Zeus was unable to break out of it and it was strong enough to withstand the force of three Makhai pulling on it, and while Kronos was draining Zeus' power they were further covered with volcanic rock. And the volcanic rock itself was so tough that Andromeda was unable to even crack it with multiple sword strikes, and she was able to decapitate both heads of the superhuman Makhai in one swing each using the same sword

The giant scorpion that Perseus fought in the first movie was strong enough to charge headfirst to stone structures and reduce them to debris, toss people across the horizon using their pincers, and shatter stone pillars into dust with its stingers, even when the stinger was almost torn off and hanging by a thread, and smashing stone pillars by the nearly torn of stinger did not do anymore damage to it

Another of those scorpions could lift a person to atleast 20 feet high using its stinger.

And yet another scorpion was strong enough swing its pincers with enough force to hit Draco and send him flying atleast 15 feet and through a stone pillar with enough force to obliterate it and destroy two more stone pillars in the same swing

The aformentioned Draco, was the leader of the Argos army, a 6 foot tall decently built veteran soldier. Not only was he durable enough to shake of the above mentioned hit like nothing, he had enough endurance to keep standing fighting after taking an arrow of Medusa's to his heart, and after taking that injury, broke off a stalacite 2 feet taller than him and one feet wider with pinky-sized twin knives, then fall few feet with it and still get up and smile while Medusa turned him to stone

Medusa was fast enough to dissapear while standing right behind someone before they could turn around and dodge a surprise attack from the decently skilled Sheikh suleiman (a wizard) at point blank range. And the arrows she shot packed enough momentum to sent grown men flying and chip marble. She was also strong enough to crush her bow which was strong enough to withstand the tension of sending the above arrows. She was durable enough to tank the suicide explosion of Suleiman (though it hurt her) and the weight of the above mentioned stalacite and Draco falling on her without serious injury, and it should also be mentioned that the explosion caused her more damage than the stalacite and Draco falling on her, though not much. She also took both attacks within seconds of each other, and she was still strong enough to smash the stone statue of Draco to dust.

The undead warrior Calibos from the first movie was a decent combatant, and also was strong enough to one arm toss people and hoist them by swords with one hand and also sending them flying with kicks. He could also overpower a normal human's two arms using one one, i.e., the guy using both hands failed pry away Calibos grip with one hand, stop a charging guy cold by blocking his charge with his wrist. He was able to break Perseus' (normal) sword with a twist of his wrist, despite the sword being able to slice through Medusa cleanly and receiving no damage from braking Perseus' and Suleiman's fall.Calibos was also able to crumple a metal helmet and the guy's head under it with his fingers of one hand, flex out a knife stabbed into his thigh and tear people in half with his bare hands. He was also strong enough to shatter Perseus scorpioch shield which was made of harder materials than supposedly any metal weapon the Argos army had, with one punch. Even before being transformed into an undead by Hades, while being a middle-aged man, he was still strong and durable enough to walk of being struck by lightning, and while having severe burns due to the afformentioned lightning strike, was still strong enough to list the metal casket containing his wife and her infant over his head and toss it. After getting his undead powers, his endurance and durabilty increased such that a full force double jump kick from a soldier to the chest couldn't even budge him, let alone make him feel it, ignore arrows shot at him, and after getting a hand cut off (from the wrist up) and bleeding out a lot, take a surprise sledgehammer-axe combo hot that knocks him off his feet and shrug it off like nothing

The Makahi were supernatural 8 feet tall creatures with two heads and four arms with superhumans stats which let them fall from several hundred feet, charge through wooden barriers as if they were made of paper mache, jump several feet, charge through several soldiers ala Dracula untold, toss people around and run full thrust while carrying people and sending people flying with their strikes, and tough enough to tank the outer edges of a massive explosion and shrug off taking an axe to the face, speared through the neck or implaed through the chest

The Chimera creature was durable enough to fall from great heigt enough to crater the ground deeply, knock around people with its deceptively tiny tale, dig through the ground at high speeds, and run full bore through several brick walls and take several stabs from a sword.

Hades using his telekinetic powers, was able to create a vortex powerful enough to suck in more than a dozen armored men and the weapons inside an entire palace court, force several people to their knees, and while weakened, telikinetically one shot-killing the superhuman Makhais an deflect mini-meteor strikes from Kronos which were able to kill several soldiers

Hades was also able to hoist them off the ground with a spear and throw them with enough force to kill them and durable enough to fall several hundered feet and recover pretty fast

Zeus also was strong enough to kill two Makahi with one punch each and overpower them with one hand, and while the energy lava attack from a Makhai injured Poseidon enough that he got a hole in his chest and got KOd, and died eventually, while Zeus took one head on and the aftershock of another attack but came off without a scratch. He was also able to take 6 punches from Ares which were powerful enough to create shockwaves after being dragged on the ground by the Makhai and having his powers drained by Kronos. After having his majority of his powers drained by Kronos, Zeus was still able to stop Ares from activating his thunderbolt when he was in front of him, and be stiill cosncious and active enough to teleport out after being impaled in the back by Hades bident which was thrown with enough force to cover nearly 40 feet and further amped by godly energy.

The horns of Minotaur were durable and sharp enough to be impaled into the ground with zero damage to them and he was able to charge with enough force that when perseus deflected his charge his horns were impaled into solid rock so deep that he was not able to pry himself free immediately, while he has easily pulled his horns out when he had impaled the ground, and that was ony using his shoulder and lying down

Agenor, while his both arms were cuffed behind his back, had another cuff to his neck and both cuffs attached to a chain tied to a post, was able to knock a guard who was grabbing Agenor's shoulder a few feet back and hit a wall hard by just shrugging his shoulder and was able to help Perseus push back

The Cyclopses from the second movie were pretty tough guys as well. They were around 30 feet tall, and even the geriatric ones could carry around fully grown humans with the effort of carrying a feather. Another Cylops was able to weild a proportionately (to their size) large hammer and kill a soldier with one backhand. The one Perseus fought was able to carry one tree in each of his hand like a staff and smash through atleast three trees using that tree staff in one swing and he was heavy enoug that when he stepped on a felled tree it was crushed beneath his weight. He was only stunned by a swinging log with approx. atleast 15 feet long and nearly 6 feet in diameter to the face and only be stunned

And now for the biggest badass in the COTT verse, the God of War, Ares. Ares is strong enough to generate shockwaves from his punches. A combination of incredible strength, skill and reaction time he was able to catch an axe thrown at him from behind without looking, then outmaneuver the guy who threw the axe, take the guy's own knife and stab him with it then practically throw him into the sky. He was skilled enough to effortlessly defeat a mook in swordfight while barely looking at him. He was also strong and durable to catch Andromeda's sword by the blade and knock her away by smacking her with her own sword's handle. He was able to neck lift Hephastaeus, another god, and choke him out in seconds using one hand. Ares was also able to block a two armed strike from hades with his forearm. He was also able to throw Hades bident atleast 40 feet away with oen hand to impale Zeus with pinpoint precision. When Ares has his warhammer, his striking power is even more. Twice Agenor has tried to block a warhammer strike from Ares with his own weapon, and it only resulted in Agenor being send flying back and into a pillar with enough force to make it explode. He has also stunned Hades for a considerable time by hitting Hades in the legs and arms with his warhammer

By hitting his warhammer on the ground, Ares was able to create a shockwave powerful enough to send a charging Andromeda flying several feet back and with enough force that when Perseus tried to catch her, he was knocked down and dragged along with her few feet before he managed to stop her. (a dedent strength feat for Perseus as well).

Also, he has shown to be able to cover 5 feet high into the air and 12 feet forward with a standing leap

He was durable to fall several hundred feet on his face and not feel a thing or be scratched. He was also able to fall from such a height that it created shockwaves that knocked down people next to his landing site and sent small rocks even at cosniderable distances flying. He was also able to no sell punches and headbutts from Perseus, and a throat chop from Hades, and was barely hurt when struck by Agenor using the godly energy amped Poseidon's trident.

Perseus was able to grab red hot volcanic rock without any serious damage (he was hurt but there were no visible burns)

Perseus also was carried through the fire breath of Kronos without receiving any damage

In the first movie Perseus, along with an Erinyie (a kinda superhuman creature) took a fall from a several story height, through a glass dome, and into a fire pit, roasting the creature while Perseus did not get a scratch on him. And people had been using the same pit to give themselves severe burns for ritual purposes

Hades telekinetically shield bashed Perseus with enough force to fly across a room and into a wall with enough force to crack it but Perseus shrugged it off and would have attacked him again if Io hadn't convinced him to not get himself killed.

Perseus also took a hard kick from Calibos and rolled down a long cliff and despite Calibos following him at high speeds he was still able to roll away from his follow up stab. When Calibos, as I said before could crumple metal with his fingers, was squeezing Perseus head in his hand, Persues just glared at him angrily without receiving any damage, much to Calibos shock.

Minutes later, he was smacked by one of the giant scorpions, slammed against a pillar with enough force to crack it and eventually swallowed, but cut his way out.

He was able to break his and Suleiman's fall using one arm without receiving any damage

Perseus also got caught in Suleiman's suicide explosion and was sent flying but came of with even less damage than the superhuman Medusa (though tbf, he was almost one feet away while she took it point blank)

Later he was send flying by a kick from Calibos across a clearing and hit hard on a rock, and then later punched through his shield with enough force to shatter it but both times he was able to shrug it off

the fight with medusa and the second fight with Calibos was the same evening too

He was also tackled by the chimera creature and smashed through a brick wall with enough force to make the thing collapse and shrugged it off easily. Then after he fought off the creature's sentient tail, the creature pulled out the pitons of the net it was caught into, and dragged Perseus (caught in the net on the creature's leg) for quite some distance and ran through another brick wall before stopping, leaving a large gash covering his entire back but he shrugged it off and got up to fight again

Later, Perseus managed to walk off few punches, a warhammer strike to the chest and being thrown headfirst through a marble pillar with enougg force to make it explode by Ares

Same day, in the labyrinth, after failing stop a closing-in wall on his own, he falls into a hole in the labyrinth and was struck several times by the Minotaur, at one time the creature smashing him against a pillar hard enough to break chunks off it, but Perseus managed ot shrug them off and redirect its charge into a pillar

The some minutes later after rescuing Zeus, he fights Ares. He gets his arms twisted, kneed in the abdomen and suplexed. Then hit with a ferocious right hook that knocks him to the ground, then a left hook which knocks his head onto a marble pillar and blows large chunks out of it, but Perseus gets up and attacks Ares again, only for Ares to twist his arm and smash his head through 3 marble pillars and then throw him hard onto another stone pillar. Then while Perseus was still stunned, Ares dragged Perseus onto a marble block, and then kept his head on the corner of it, and then punches Perseus in the face so hard the marble counter under him gave away, but Perseus gets up and tries to fight again, so Ares knocks him down again, and then kicks him 3 times, with Perseus hitting a marble block with the 3rd hit and cracking it. Then he instructs his soon to buy him few seconds which he uses to recover and hide, and then defeats Ares using a surprise attack, which culminates in Perseus stabbing Ares in the heart with Zeus' thunderbolt and shocking him, at which Ares pulls the thunderbolt more into himself and kills himself

Heck Perseus survived getting thrown into the sea along with his mother while being an infant and was still conscious when he was found by his adoptive father while his mother had died due to drowning

After only getting a 20 second lesson from Draco in a swordfight, not only did Perseus beat him, he hit Draco's sword with his own (normal) sword with enough force that Draco's sword flew more than atleast 20 feet and embedded itself into a tree

Also, when Draco and another soldier grabbed Perseus by the neck and tried to force him into a fire pit he was able to hold them off for some time

Also, while swordfighting Calibos with his lightning sword, he hit Calibos sword with enough force that Calibos was knocked off his feet and send flying over the clearing and made Calibos feel everyone of his punches despite Calibos being able to no sell attacks from normal humans

After stabbing his sword through the palms of the Cyclop that chased him, Perseus was able to sse his strength to prevent the Cyclops from pulling away or trying to crush him, and the Cyclops only escaped the grip after Perseus lost his footing trying to trigger the trap he intended to use on the cyclops

Perseus also stabbed his lighting sword into solid rock with zero effort, and also into Calibos' heart who had literally flexed out a normal knife out of his thigh

After getting the aforementioned large gash in the fight with the chimera, he also used a double axe handle to drive a boat anchor through the chimera and into the ground and then restrain the superhuman creature using chains long enough to trick it into killing itself

Perseus was strong enough to knock back a stinger strike from a giant scorpion with a (normal) shield bash, and when he and another soldier tried to block a pincer strike from the scorpion, Perseus simply had his (normal) shield knocked out of his hands while the soldier was knocked down and then swifttly grabbed, impaled and tossed over the horizon by the scorpion. And then the scorpion struck the shield with the sharp side of his pincer with enough force to impale it yet Perseus managed to stop it from getting to his face

Perseus was able to run at speeds that made the fast Medusa unable to get a bead on him and barely keep up with him, and then with his eyes closed struck her with his (normal) sword faster than she could react with enough force to chop her head off in one swing

While fighting the Minotaur, Perseus managed to break off the creature's horn stuck in a pillar with few punches, then effortlessly pulled out the horn, which the creature was unable to, and killed the creature with the horn

Perseus was also able to shatter the the chains and volcanic rock combo holding Zeus with one hit using a metal staff the size of a police baton

While fighting Ares, Perseus was able to make him feel his hits with the help of one tennis ball sized rock in each hand

Then later after Helius buys him few precious seconds he charges Ares in a surprise attack into a statue with enough force to chip it, then after stabbing Ares in the heart with his own knife, gets him in a chokehold and does not let go despite Ares slamming him into three marble pillars with enough force to crack them, and then takes Zeus thunderbolt and stabs it into Ares' heart and electrocutes him and after Ares kills himself, goes off to fight Kronos

And if that can't be classified superhuman, I don't know. If you are meaning Cap and Cap+ level is superhuman, then yes Perseus is peak human

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
As for recovering injuries quickly, i know he healed from being shot in the hand, but did he seriously heal from an exposion very fast? Becuase from few clips i've seen he took a lot of time to heal back his arm from the wrist up. Also what's this him not being able to heal broken bones quickly enoug that I am hearing about?

Also,about the sword into the concrete, didn't that guy pull it out and escape? So was that Ajax or was that some mook?

Anway, prepare for the walls of text (you judge if its Kurupt-lite) of Perseus strength and durability

Yes, the explosion is how he escapes the one scenario. And he broke his bones hitting Colossus, which is not exactly a low end showing, considering the guy is made out of super durable, organic metal. And I don't know about "not quickly enough". They popped back into place not that long after they were broken, but he was indeed briefly in trouble when both his hands and one leg was broken. But again, that was while fighting Colossus, so it's not like Wade's limbs just break for nothing. He headbutted Angel Dust, another super strong and durable character, and caused her visible pain without hurting himself, as well. And as mentioned before, he can take multi-storey falls without sustaining injuries. There is also a scene where a person unloads a clip worth of bullets into Wade and he basically ignores it.

And that was Ajax on the bridge, who had even greater enhanced strength than Deadpool, based on feats. That fact that he actually takes a katana through the chest, yet can still pull it out and make his escape (and later when he gets to his compound seemed more irritated than anything else), tells you he was no glass statue either.

And like I said, those are just 2 factors with him. He was also extremely fast, acrobatic, agile, and very skilled with his weapons. He does things like decap a guy, then before the head can even hit the ground, he will kick it into another guy's head. Or headshot 3 different people with a single shot, while flipping through the air. And he is constantly on the move, pulling off similar things with his guns and swords.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
And if that can't be classified superhuman, I don't know. If you are meaning Cap and Cap+ level is superhuman, then yes Perseus is peak human

Well, like I said before, the goalposts for that seem to shift depending on the film. So I personally feel it's best to just compare things directly, instead of trying to attach labels. Like Perseus would be straight up superhuman in the real world, with some of the things he has done, but he'd likely just be considered an exceptionally skilled and physically capable human in a bunch of fictional settings. But then stick him in a different fictional setting, and he would be considered superhuman again.

Take another example. Hobbs from the F&F franchise is not a "super" human in his world, yet he can do things no ordinary human can. Now if you put that character in another Rock film, like the more realistic and gritty Snitch, he would definitely be a superhuman freakshow in that world, based on what he is physically capable of.

Wade even takes a knife to the brain and isn't KO'd, though admittedly he is somewhat disorientated and hallucinates. But he is totally fine right after he pulls it out.

And to understand what bringing up Colossus and Angel means, during their own fight they were easily shifting multiple tons worth of rubble, and knocking each other 50 plus feet with hits etc. And Deadpool shows that he can hang with people physically stronger than him in H2H, when he fights Ajax without his swords during some parts of their encounter.

Angel Dust sends Colossus soaring a huge distance with her first hit when they meet, and later sends Colossus flying a few dozen feet with a friggin' crotch shot. And at one stage Colossus picks her up and tosses her couple dozen feet again, over a pile of rubble, where she lands on the opposite side. And they were smashing each other into steel beams, cars etc. and destroying them, while remaining virtually unharmed. So these guys are seriously heavy hitters.

But at the end of it, I see Wade's overall combination of abilities allowing him to be able to handle anything Perseus might throw at him, while also having enough offensive capability to put Perseus down.

I say he loses to blade and splits with Deadpool. Jason Is just to damn slow for this one. He may be overall most powerful due to 80's horror movie magic but I dont see him doing well against an actual opponent in a sword fight.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He may be overall most powerful due to 80's horror movie magic but I dont see him doing well against an actual opponent in a sword fight.
Perseus has another advantage in a sword-fight. The lightning sword has shown to be able to reverse undead transformations. It could possibly turn zombie jason back to mortal jason

Sorry, but I going be a bit more blunt. Yes, there are many characters who are human level in their setting and superhuman in others but even then, there are various levels. Mcclane would also look superhuman, just below Hobbs. And guys like John Matrix and Hightower (Police academy) would be above them. Then comes the actual superhumans like Riddick and Marv, then those above them like Winter Soldier, Perseus, Hellboy, then those above them like Cap, Ares, Raphael, Yulaw, etc. And I believe Perseus has done things that would make him superhuman pretty much everywhere (then again, so has Wade), and imho "a bunch of fictional settings" that Perseus would "likely just be considered an exceptionally skilled and physically capable human" would be quite close to comicbook levels, since Perseus has done things even rare among the comicbook peak humans except for the top guys who could trounce him.

I am sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree. I am not that impressed. Not that they aren't impressive, but excluding the healing factor, Perseus has done equivalent things against similar opponents and there are guys he fought could do the same thing. And I find it more impressive that Perseus went through all that hell without a healing factor to recover, and simply due to his raw toughness and determination.
And i believe Perseus is stronger than ajax based on average and comfortably quite above him on his highs, and ergo, wade has shown nothing enough put perseus him down due to his massive (for streets below cap anyway) durability, endurance and sheer determination.
Also, going bakc to the explosion, I just watched the movie this morning and the first explosion in ajax lab wade was protected by the coffin or something. you knwo the same which wade used to save vanessa from the fall in he climax? and the ensuing fight, ajax beat deapool, though that was more due to that metal pipe,but was gettign the tar beaten out of him even before that, and failed to ko ajax with a cheapshot with a fire extinguisher.
Adn then deadpoll was shown coming out of the place after healing, but i didn't see any explosion. jsut fire
I know deadpool did much better in the second fight, so i am not gonna use the first fight against him since he was probably in a bad shape and not yet fully adjusted to his powers, but even before jax got the knife wade was getting beat
and the jumping shooting things would matter only in a gunffight imo
So i am not thinking the gunfights or ajax fights mean much

Anyway, I never expected Perseus to finish this gauntlet as well. I don't think he could put down Jason in a fistfight, and i see him losing in a swordfight against Erik most of the time. ANd its just that Idon't see him losing a fistfight to Wade, as like Wade, Perseus has fought similarly tough opponents and more powerful oens as well, ones with more power disparity than wade foguht
Also some unnecessary nitpicking. I don't remeber wade kicking a guy and the door and sending itand the guy going down the road. Wade double kicked the sleeping guy - he was left hanging out of the jeep while the door fell off

You are aware that the explosion was caused by the match inside the tank? That's the whole reason the thing blew up. So the tank would not have protected him that much. I mean the whole thing got blasted and was shattered open when Ajax found it, indicating it took a hell of a beating, and Wade inside it too. So it's still a solid durability feat. The sheer fact that it was left in that condition, when the one Vanessa was in remained pretty much solid, despite the drop and impact at the end of the film, shows the level of the explosion.

And while I miss-remembered about the guy, the point was more about the door than him, unless you know a lot of regular people who can kick someone hard enough into a door to knock it off its hinge? The person was the minor part of that feat IMO.

Other than that, guess we will just have to disagree about the result.

I am actually thinking though that he could probably beat Jason with a blade. Fist fight might be a bit tough against Jason's damage soak though.

Blade, however, has him outclassed quite noticeably IMO, and takes all rounds with relative ease.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And while I miss-remembered about the guy, the point was more about the door than him, unless you know a lot of regular people who can kick someone hard enough into a door to knock it off its hinge? The person was the minor part of that feat IMO.
I not saying its impressive or that it could be done by humans. What I am trying to say is the way you described it made it look way more impressive than how it was. Had it been anyone else than you saying it I would've thought they were either embellishing it make the feat look bigger or outright lying. I know you made a mistake, but I don't think you've fully realized it. Let me explain it you to mathematically( ):
Knocking back something with a kick > Knocking back something with a double-kick
Knocking back someone aware of it >> Knocking back someone unawares
Knocking a door of its hinges and sending it sliding across the ground >>> Knocking a door off its hinges
Ergo, kicking someone into a door so hard during a fight that the door gets knocked off its hinges and goes sliding away with the guy >>>>>>>>>> kicking a sleeping guy into the door so that its is simply knocked off its hinges

You carelessly claimed the former while the latter was what happened which is why I objected

The guy was dead. He'd literally just gotten riddled with bullets by one of his own guys on a motorcycle a second earlier. But anyway, that hardly matters. And while I miss-remembered about the guy, as I mentioned earlier (I remembered the rider getting tossed actually), you are underselling it now as well. The door didn't just simply fall off. It went flying into the motorcycle rider next to the car with enough force to make him to crash hard. So I disagree with your comparison there. But anyways, I've said my piece in this thread.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You are aware that the explosion was caused by the match inside the tank? That's the whole reason the thing blew up. So the tank would not have protected him that much. I mean the whole thing got blasted and was shattered open when Ajax found it, indicating it took a hell of a beating, and Wade inside it too. So it's still a solid durability feat.
Maybe it is because of my bad comprehension capability, but I didn't see any fire inside the tank or any fire come into it. The way I saw it, the fire from the match went through the tubes into the cylinders and blew them up. Since videos canbecopyright problems, here are two gifs of the scene
https://media.giphy.com/media/bP7LFExgz9JWo/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/GgosaZqsz4gda/giphy.gif
I don't see it

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

There is also a scene where a person unloads a clip worth of bullets into Wade and he basically ignores it.
Another minor unnecessary nitpicking. Didn't that guy only shoot two or three before he ran out of bullets?


Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The guy was dead. He'd literally just gotten riddled with bullets by one of his own guys on a motorcycle a second earlier. But anyway, that hardly matters. And while I miss-remembered about the guy, as I mentioned earlier (I remembered the rider getting tossed actually), you are underselling it now as well. The door didn't just simply fall off. It went flying into the motorcycle rider next to the car with enough force to make him to crash hard.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
when the one Vanessa was in remained pretty much solid, despite the drop and impact at the end of the film, shows the level of the explosion.


Damn, now that is a series of 3 mistakes I've made. I sincerely apologize. I watched the climax again. I didn't notice that negasonic was opening the lid of the cage. I thought it had just broken off when I saw Colossus lifting the rubble and Vanessa climbing out.
And same goes for the car scene. I hadn't noticed the guy was gunned down, or that the door went onto the biker, especially since I did notice the biker spraying bullets into the car. Sorry

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

I am actually thinking though that he could probably beat Jason with a blade.

I am thinking definitely. With the magical blade that has shown the ability to reverse undead transformations plus Perseus strength which allowed him to slice through those with considerable durability with ordinary blades, and Perseus speed, Jason is going down

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fist fight might be a bit tough against Jason's damage soak though.
I see Perseus winning a fistfight against Jason next to impossible

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Blade, however, has him outclassed quite noticeably IMO, and takes all rounds with relative ease.
In a sword fight, yeah. I can see him beating Perseus in a fistfight, but imo he'll struggle to put him down

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Except when confronted with a H2H situation against Gregor, he had no answer for it, and got his head exploded, Gregor is above Peak Human.
So is Perseus, and he is superhuman as well. And I would really like to see Gregor try that trick against Perseus, because when someone stronger (i.e. with better strength feats) than Gregor who had just done something similar tried to do that to Perseus, he literally stood there and glared at his attacker without getting hurt

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, meant with weapons. Fistfight vs someone with plated gauntlets and full plate armor is a whole diff story.
I believe Perseus has shown enough strength feats to hurt and beat down Gregor imo

What are Gregor's feats anyway:

Crushing skulls?

Slicing cleanly through mean and decapitating a horse?

Wearing armor too heavy for normal men and weilding a 6ft greatsword?

1st one's already taken care of. And in the strength department Perseus has matched strength with those who can carry around trees to use as staffs

Perseus has sliced clean through Medusa, someone much tougher and stronger than ordinary people or horses. Also, making use of a metal staff the size of policeman's baton he smashed to dust a combination of enchanted chains (that the superhuman Zeus couldn't break) and magical volcanic rock (which Andromeda, another person who has decapitated a superhuman with her sword, couldn't even crack with multiple sword strikes) And in a swordfight with the super-strong Calibos he sent the guy flying when he tried to block Perseus sword slash with his own sword

And Perseus punches have hurt Calibos, someone who could literally stand there and not be budged by hits from normal humans. And his shield has taken superhuman blows

In fact, I think Perseus breezes through the first round in both fights

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Another minor unnecessary nitpicking. Didn't that guy only shoot two or three before he ran out of bullets?
Damn, now that is a series of 3 mistakes I've made. I sincerely apologize. I watched the climax again. I didn't notice that negasonic was opening the lid of the cage. I thought it had just broken off when I saw Colossus lifting the rubble and Vanessa climbing out.
And same goes for the car scene. I hadn't noticed the guy was gunned down, or that the door went onto the biker, especially since I did notice the biker spraying bullets into the car. Sorry

Eh, we both don't remember everything 100%, so not an issue. At least we are both here to fill in any gaps the other has.

I actually feel like I need to watch the film again, because a lot of the action is so fast paced, and busy, that it's super easy to miss small details here and there. As seen in this thread, a few things slipped my mind as well.

As to Blade, you have to really go back to his films to appreciate him. I know I was underselling him for a while, because I simply couldn't remember half the things he does in the films. The sheer fact that he goes toe to toe with guys who can dodge bullets etc. gives him a huge speed advantage. And he is physically strong enough to compete in the same class as these guys as well. And on top of that he has high levels of skill as well, and durability on top of it, and it tips it in his favour. But I consider Blade to easily be the top player in this thread. Well beyond Wade, Jason or Mountain.