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Odin strips Loki of hus powers and banishes him to Midgard as a mortal. Accepting his fate, Loki decides to make Gotham City his new home with ambititions to rule it. Is Loki credible enough as a mortal to build a criminal empire to rule Gotham City and defeat Batman's endeavors to stop him? This is Bale Batman.

Batman, Loki got beaten by Thor who didn't have impressive fighting feats IMO.

The guy who beat an entire base full of some of the best trained people in the world doesn't have any impressive fighting feats?

Originally posted by steverules_2
Batman, Loki got beaten by Thor who didn't have impressive fighting feats IMO.

Loki got beaten up by Thor who has greater stats in every category than Loki.
Thor has decent fighting feats, even when he was powerless.
Loki wins here. He has hundreds/thousands of years of fighting experience verses Baleman whos fighting skill was pretty bad.

Batman doesn't have to beat Loki physically. He may have some tech to take him down. I should add that Loki can have his staff with the mind gem. He could gain control of the city quickly and have Batman listed as a criminal. If you think Bale isn't up to task, we can use any of the previous actors to play Batman in a live action movie, Keaton and onwards.

No, not once did Loki show any good fighting skills even when he stabbed Thor he lost. Show me a video of Loki showing some good fighting stats?? And what stats are these anyway?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The guy who beat an entire base full of some of the best trained people in the world doesn't have any impressive fighting feats?

No he doesn't, he also got beaten by some hospital staff but no ones bringing that up

I wouldn't be surprised if Loki had the entire Gotham black market under his thumb within a year. I also consider him a better combatant than Batman. So yeah, Loki wins.

I mean, Batman has problems with The Joker. Loki may not be as deranged as the Joker but he's smarter, has centuries more experience and is definitely a better fighter.

I like how you forgot to mention that the hospital scene was after Thor got hit by a truck and tasered.

Originally posted by steverules_2
No, not once did Loki show any good fighting skills even when he stabbed Thor he lost. Show me a video of Loki showing some good fighting stats?? And what stats are these anyway?



No he doesn't, he also got beaten by some hospital staff but no ones bringing that up

Thor wasn't trying to actively cripple the hostpital staff. He had just woken up, was without his powers, was completely out of it and just trying to push them away from him.

As for Loki having good fight skills, he managed to keep up with Captain America, fight Thor for a good amount of time, outfought multiple armed dark elves while only armed with a knife, and even caught an arrow. What has Batman have that compares to that?

Hmmm...I guess Bats loses then

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how you forgot to mention that the hospital scene was after Thor got hit by a truck and tasered.

lulface

Baleman beat thugs and prisoners, he's automatically top tier

Loki is finished

does Loki have his durability and strength still? if not he gets dummied hard

Why?

Originally posted by carthage
Baleman beat thugs and prisoners, he's automatically top tier

Loki is finished

Beating thugs and prisoners means your are superhuman

I see what you did there.

Loki was beating the crap out of Captain America, who in turn would beat the crap out of Batman, but Loki has no powers here,,,,,

Still thinks he beats Bale Batman.

Loki wins. Even without his stats, he likely has roundabout 900 years more combat XP than Bruce has.

Wayne's perennial butthurt about losing his parents >>> 900 years of Asgardian training

Well, Loki has centuries worth of butthurt, living in Thor's shadow.

Loki has centuries more butthurt than Baleman.

Based on trailer showings, would Affleck Bats do better?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Based on trailer showings, would Affleck Bats do better?

My goodness yes.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Based on trailer showings, would Affleck Bats do better?

Just based on the little bits we see in the trailers, he already has a notable edge in strength, speed and skill over Baleman. So yes, I would definitely say so.

Baleman was shit in combat but the movies were done very well.

I actually have to agree there. Despite the mediocre fight choreography, it's a very solid film trilogy, though I didn't much care for the plot twist at the end of Dark Knight Rises. But then the fight scenes in most Nolan films tend to be somewhat underwhelming.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Based on trailer showings, would Affleck Bats do better?

Any other film-Batman version fights better than Baleman.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Beating thugs and prisoners means your are superhuman Transformation into KURUPT?

Batman takes this.. Loki is nothing without his powers

without his powers or asgardian physiology (strength and durability) he's a regular man and as we see whenever he fights he doesnt really have any skills to speak of...cap was able to give him trouble and that was WITH powers...Baleman kicks his ass hard

Originally posted by relentless1
without his powers or asgardian physiology (strength and durability) he's a regular man and as we see whenever he fights he doesnt really have any skills to speak of...cap was able to give him trouble and that was WITH powers...Baleman kicks his ass hard

You'll need to rewatch the Thor movies. Loki is quite a capable combatant, more impressive than baleman.

its been awhile but I remember him getting the upper hand on frost giants due to illusions...same way he got the upper hand on Thor besides playing to his brotherly love for him in Avengers and cheapshotting Thor...which had no effect on him whatsoever...either way those aren't hand to hand combat feats, as far as dark world goes Lokis only hand to hand feats were against featless henchmen, hardly a good case to make for him being a superior combatant

Originally posted by relentless1
its been awhile but I remember him getting the upper hand on frost giants due to illusions...same way he got the upper hand on Thor besides playing to his brotherly love for him in Avengers and cheapshotting Thor...which had no effect on him whatsoever...either way those aren't hand to hand combat feats, as far as dark world goes Lokis only hand to hand feats were against featless henchmen, hardly a good case to make for him being a superior combatant

Batman pretty much beat only fodder in his movies as well you know. The only notable opponents he ever went up against are Ra's (whom he defeated only by leaving Ra's in the train) and Bane (whom he defeated only by exploiting Bane's mask weakness).

Loki matched Thor in the first Thor movie for a good amount of time before resorting to illusions and he fought Thor in Avengers pure melee. Loki was also fast enough to keep up with Captain America. Fast enough to catch an arrow (Batman has no feat to compare to that), skilled enough to beat up a bunch of elven warriors even when only armed with a knife.

Besides, all you really need to do is watch how they move. Batman is slow as molasses.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman pretty much beat only fodder in his movies as well you know. The only notable opponents he ever went up against are Ra's (whom he defeated only by leaving Ra's in the train) and Bane (whom he defeated only by exploiting Bane's mask weakness).

Loki matched Thor in the first Thor movie for a good amount of time before resorting to illusions and he fought Thor in Avengers pure melee. Loki was also fast enough to keep up with Captain America. Fast enough to catch an arrow (Batman has no feat to compare to that), skilled enough to beat up a bunch of elven warriors even when only armed with a knife.

Besides, all you really need to do is watch how they move. Batman is slow as molasses.

do you have actual feats of Loki as a human being fighting?????

if this was Loki with his God powers then its clearly spite....

The thread isn't all about who would win in just h2h. Could Loki take over Gotham and either defeat Bats or run him out of town.

Batman runs him over.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
The thread isn't all about who would win in just h2h. Could Loki take over Gotham and either defeat Bats or run him out of town.

Does Loki get his standard equipment and use of magic, after all the movies stated that he was taught magic, so it would really be listed under skills and not powers.

Semantics.

Not really, it was clearly stated in the movie to be a learned skill.

How can you do magic without magic power?

Do you really believe he needs it here?

Nowhere in the movie does it say you have to be born with magic in order to learn how to use it

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
do you have actual feats of Loki as a human being fighting?????

if this was Loki with his God powers then its clearly spite....

No, but let's not pretend that removing his powers will diminish his fight skills. Thor has already proven this. Besides, majority of beings that Loki fought were around his level of physical stats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, but let's not pretend that removing his powers will diminish his fight skills. Thor has already proven this. Besides, majority of beings that Loki fought were around his level of physical stats.


oh I'm not pretending,, .. you pretend a lot in these threads.. Thor and Loki are different people... Thor was shown to lose his powers , while Loki has always had his.... so please do not compare the two...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
oh I'm not pretending,, .. you pretend a lot in these threads.. Thor and Loki are different people... Thor was shown to lose his powers , while Loki has always had his.... so please do not compare the two...

I don't think you understood what I said at all.

no, without any powers he aint taking over Gotham.. not with psychos like Joker and Two Face running around. Not to mention the superpower beings like Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy around as well.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't think you understood what I said at all.


Oh I understood perfectly... You seem to want to think that Loki would/is the same as Thor when Odin took away his powers. Loki was never ever shown to be w/o his powers.. Thor was, Perhaps deal with that simple but truthful fact.... Thread is stupid, As weak as Baleman is, he beats Loki here... Batfleck would shitstomp Loki here as well... Adam West Batman prolly shitstomps Loki here as well..

Originally posted by relentless1
no, without any powers he aint taking over Gotham.. not with psychos like Joker and Two Face running around. Not to mention the superpower beings like Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy around as well.


exactly

Wait, I don't remember Mr Freeze and Ivy being in Baleman-verse....

Problem with this thread is that we don't know what a depowered Loki can do. If by "depowered", do you mean he still retains his combat "feats"of agility and skills as well as his age-gained knowledge and experience, but will have Hiddleston-level strength and durability? Or do you mean he's just a regular joe with just his mind as his primary weapon?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Oh I understood perfectly... You seem to want to think that Loki would/is the same as Thor when Odin took away his powers. Loki was never ever shown to be w/o his powers.. Thor was, Perhaps deal with that simple but truthful fact.... Thread is stupid, As weak as Baleman is, he beats Loki here... Batfleck would shitstomp Loki here as well... Adam West Batman prolly shitstomps Loki here as well..


You're right, Loki never was shown without his powers, so how would you know that Baleman can beat him? The only time an Asgardian was ever stripped of his powers was Thor, and from that example we know he retained his skill and knowledge as well as a high degree of durability and strength.

If we apply that to Loki then Loki beats Baleman. If we don't apply that to Loki, well then this thread will go nowhere because Loki was never without his powers.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're right, Loki never was shown without his powers, so how would you know that Baleman can beat him? The only time an Asgardian was ever stripped of his powers was Thor, and from that example we know he retained his skill and knowledge as well as a high degree of durability and strength.

Quite easily.. Loki would be susceptible to darkness... As a human being he'd fall down after being punched by Baleman. Baleman can also get into the Tumbler and run Loki over. I see you are forgetting that Thor is a warrior who honed his skill on the battlefield. Thor also had trouble fighting those cannon fodder S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. Loki

Originally posted by FrothByte If we apply that to Loki then Loki beats Baleman. If we don't apply that to Loki, well then this thread will go nowhere because Loki was never without his powers.

The thing is we cannot apply that to Loki.. If we gave Loki , Thor's human skills then Baleman must have some sort of upgrade too

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Quite easily.. Loki would be susceptible to darkness... As a human being he'd fall down after being punched by Baleman. Baleman can also get into the Tumbler and run Loki over. I see you are forgetting that Thor is a warrior who honed his skill on the battlefield. Thor also had trouble fighting those cannon fodder S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. Loki



The thing is we cannot apply that to Loki.. If we gave Loki , Thor's human skills then Baleman must have some sort of upgrade too

Loki trained as a warrior just as much as Thor did. Thor was just better, doesn't mean Loki isn't good.

What it looks like is you want to remove even Loki's fighting skills and experience, and yet giving Batman his gadgets and vehicle? Gimp much...

Thor only had trouble with one Shield agent, the rest he was easily beating.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor only had trouble with one Shield agent, the rest he was easily beating.

yea the big black dude iirc....

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki trained as a warrior just as much as Thor did. Thor was just better, doesn't mean Loki isn't good.

What it looks like is you want to remove even Loki's fighting skills and experience, and yet giving Batman his gadgets and vehicle? Gimp much...

B..B...But we know from actually watching the movies is that Thor is by far the better warior between him and his brother... We have seen Loki fight and he uses magic and his spear.. Never.. ever, repeat never ever have we seen Loki do some martial arts moves or start punching people...

What fighting skills??? post vids of Loki doing these fighting skills...
lmmfao... no need for me to gimp son, simply using what Baleman was shown to use...

He managed to tag Cap a couple times and deflect a shield throw.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
B..B...But we know from actually watching the movies is that Thor is by far the better warior between him and his brother... We have seen Loki fight and he uses magic and his spear.. Never.. ever, repeat never ever have we seen Loki do some martial arts moves or start punching people...

What fighting skills??? post vids of Loki doing these fighting skills...
lmmfao... no need for me to gimp son, simply using what Baleman was shown to use...

He didn't use magic and a spear against the dark elves and he took them apart pretty easily 4-on-1. Knives vs long weapons, too.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He didn't use magic and a spear against the dark elves and he took them apart pretty easily 4-on-1. Knives vs long weapons, too.

Loki is highly skilled. Anyone who thinks otherwise didn't really pay attention.

yeah, it all really comes down to equating Loki to depowered Thor; Thor was taken out by a car, by a taser and by ShIELD henchmen (eventually) and although Loki has a good showing against Dark Elf fodder he gets pummelled whenever he tries to engage Thor in any sort of hand to hand combat scenario. So if Thor > Loki with powers it stands to reason that Thor > Loki without powers as well, meaning Loki is even more susceptible to the things that caused Thor trouble on Earth. Baleman on the other hand has shown to be an expert combatant in his films and would dummy Loki if he was stripped of his powers.

P.S. had a brain fart there, forgot we were talking about Nolans Gotham here but Loki would have to go thru Bane to take over Gotham and I don't see that happening without any powers. Plus id imagine he'd be susceptible to Scarecrows fear toxin and Joker has shown that given circumstances in his favour he can be a decent spaz attacker.

No, Thor was taken out by getting hit by a truck + tasered. BTW, he beat the Shield agents.


All you're doing is proving to the entire forum that you have almost no knowledge of the movies.

Originally posted by relentless1
yeah, it all really comes down to equating Loki to depowered Thor; Thor was taken out by a car, by a taser and by ShIELD henchmen (eventually) and although Loki has a good showing against Dark Elf fodder he gets pummelled whenever he tries to engage Thor in any sort of hand to hand combat scenario. So if Thor > Loki with powers it stands to reason that Thor > Loki without powers as well, meaning Loki is even more susceptible to the things that caused Thor trouble on Earth. Baleman on the other hand has shown to be an expert combatant in his films and would dummy Loki if he was stripped of his powers.

P.S. had a brain fart there, forgot we were talking about Nolans Gotham here but Loki would have to go thru Bane to take over Gotham and I don't see that happening without any powers. Plus id imagine he'd be susceptible to Scarecrows fear toxin and Joker has shown that given circumstances in his favour he can be a decent spaz attacker.

Lol. Way to downplay. Thor never got taken out by a car. He got hit by a truck twice and wasn't out. In fact he got right back up. He was taken out by a taser. He also was never taken out by SHIELD henchmen. Don't know where you got that from. He took out every SHIELD agent he came up on. The only time they took him was when he didn't fight back.

Baleman on the other hand had a hard time with the Joker.

semantics, he was knocked down forcefully enough that jane got out to see if he was dead

Originally posted by relentless1
semantics, he was knocked down forcefully enough that jane got out to see if he was dead

Not semantics, you were flat out wrong. just like you were wrong about Thor losing to the Shield agents.

Try and get at least one thing about the movie correct next time you post, it might help if you actually watch the movie at least once before trying to comment on what happens.

Originally posted by relentless1
semantics, he was knocked down forcefully enough that jane got out to see if he was dead

Just admit you were wrong. Jane got out to see if he was OK because that's what a decent human being does when you hit someone else with your truck.

no you are correct about the SHIELD agents froth, i forgot that he didn't get taken down until he lost the will to fight, he was still affected by getting hit by a vehicle tho, and if i recall he did have some trouble with the last guy he fought before he got to Mjolnir so either way I don't see Loki being able to handle regular humans if Thor, who is stronger and a better fighter had trouble with even one human while depowered.

IOW, you admit that everything you said in your original post was wrong.

Originally posted by relentless1
no you are correct about the SHIELD agents froth, i forgot that he didn't get taken down until he lost the will to fight, he was still affected by getting hit by a vehicle tho, and if i recall he did have some trouble with the last guy he fought before he got to Mjolnir so either way I don't see Loki being able to handle regular humans if Thor, who is stronger and a better fighter had trouble with even one human while depowered.

We've seen just how good trained SHIELD agents are in h2h. These were some of Coulson's best. So it wasn't just any human.

Instead of arguing over Loki's potential as a regular human, give him Thor's stats as a regular human. I'm making that change so as to give a clearer picture of Loki's abilities. Human Loki is equal to human Thor for purposes of this thread. Burton's Batman feats are valid in this discussion also. All movie Batman feats besides Affleck's.

Loki crushes Batman. Accept it Batman fanboys.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Instead of arguing over Loki's potential as a regular human, give him Thor's stats as a regular human. I'm making that change so as to give a clearer picture of Loki's abilities. Human Loki is equal to human Thor for purposes of this thread. Burton's Batman feats are valid in this discussion also. All movie Batman feats besides Affleck's.

All movie Batman feats kinda makes this a slide in Batman's favor.

How does Batman lose this to a powerless human Loki?

Originally posted by FrothByte
All movie Batman feats kinda makes this a slide in Batman's favor.

What if the only power I gave Loki was his staff with the mind gem? He could only use it to make people do his bidding as he takes over Gotham. For this thread, Batman is unaffected by it due to his suit, similar to how Iron Man was unaffected due to plate in his chest.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How does Batman lose this to a powerless human Loki?

Amalgamated Batman doesn't. Baleman however does.

How? He will not lose if he has his armor on. Batman will end up being stronger and more durable with that armor. His latest suit had hydraulics that was kicking through brick and mortar. And his mask can survive multiple direct hits from bane, the same person that was bunching through stone.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
What if the only power I gave Loki was his staff with the mind gem? He could only use it to make people do his bidding as he takes over Gotham. For this thread, Batman is unaffected by it due to his suit, similar to how Iron Man was unaffected due to plate in his chest.

Then Loki easily takes over the Gotham underworld and probably eradicates Batman after a good long year's worth of rivalry.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How? He will not lose if he has his armor on. Batman will end up being stronger and more durable with that armor. His latest suit had hydraulics that was kicking through brick and mortar. And his mask can survive multiple direct hits from bane, the same person that was bunching through stone.

Loki's armor is far better and Loki's knives were one-shotting Frost Giants.

Loki wont have those here based on him losing his power though, and his armor was leather..

edit:wording

His armor stood up to the bi-frost explosion, the Destroyer gun attacks from Iron-man, Thor and the Hulk. The OP just removed his powers, he didn't say anything about banning Loki's standard equipment.

Thats like saying his hair stood up to the bifrost explosion because why? Is his hair tougher then his armor? Cmon now.

So you're going to ignore what his armor was shown to withstand?

So I guess we could say the same thing about Supermans clothes, they would be just as tough as Loki's armor.

If Loki's armor feats don't count, then neither does Baleman's.

Baleman with his armor had trouble beating Joker in melee. Loki is a far better combatant than Joker, especially if given Thor's human physical stats as Tattoo n' Scars ammended

Joker has always had unreal damage soak. This has been portrayed in every single movie and cartoon he has ever been in. Loki is no Thor in combat, so you can't assume human Loki is now > Batman.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Joker has always had unreal damage soak. This has been portrayed in every single movie and cartoon he has ever been in. Loki is no Thor in combat, so you can't assume human Loki is now > Batman.

Thor is a better combatant, but Loki is good enough that Thor is unable to beat him unless he takes him very seriously. But fighting and standing up to Thor is still more impressive than Baleman defeating Bane through his mask weakness.

This is human Loki...he has no powers, Baleman has survived being burned alive, having his back broken, having the roof collapse on him, falling 6 stories and a whole host of other insane feats and walking away. I don't get how you can think Loki will have the same endurance and damage soak in human form.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is human Loki...he has no powers, Baleman has survived being burned alive, having his back broken, having the roof collapse on him, falling 6 stories and a whole host of other insane feats and walking away. I don't get how you can think Loki will have the same endurance and damage soak in human form.

OP has given Loki the same physical stats as human Thor.

I don't recall when Baleman has been burned alive. Where was this? Falling 6 stories was him using his bat cloak yes?

Yes but he crushed a entire van..so he was coming down with incredible force that had impact on his body.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes but he crushed a entire van..so he was coming down with incredible force that had impact on his body.

Yes but his cloak, the van and his armor had a lot to do with diminishing the impact so it's not such a high durability feat for him.

Ok so those feats because he had armor dont count, now if you are going to apply Thor's durability in human form, and say what Loki's armor is going to make up the difference? Then Loki does not get any help from his armor either, it goes both ways.

If we take plain clothes Baleman vs Loki, he beats Loki. We already had a thread that had Baleman beating plain clothes human Thor..

Funny, seeing as not more than a few posts ago you were claiming that Loki's armor feats didn't count.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok so those feats because he had armor dont count, now if you are going to apply Thor's durability in human form, and say what Loki's armor is going to make up the difference? Then Loki does not get any help from his armor either, it goes both ways.

If we take plain clothes Baleman vs Loki, he beats Loki. We already had a thread that had Baleman beating plain clothes human Thor..


Yeah, we had Baleman vs. depowered Thor, if I recall correctly there was roughly an equal amount of people on both sides of that fight.

Pretty difficult to make this into a pure fight due to Loki's lack of depowered feats. If we give him human Thor's stats then might as well go back to Thor vs. Batman.


So let's just discuss the original point in the topic which was whether human Loki could take over gotham.

Ra's tried this and failed, how would loki succeed without the scepter, tricks and mind control?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ra's tried this and failed, how would loki succeed without the scepter, tricks and mind control?

Actually, OP revised thread to allow mind control. With mind control he should do it very easily.

But even without mind control, this is a guy a thousand years old. Who's quite a capable combatant himself and is known for making plots within plots. That's already quite a number of advantages compared to the usual crime lords of Gotham.

So he has the scepter now? Pretty unfair now? Odin in his old age was clsoe to 5000 years old, Loki is no where near that old.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So he has the scepter now? Pretty unfair now? Odin in his old age was clsoe to 5000 years old, Loki is no where near that old.

We did the computation in some other thread. Basically Thor and Loki round off to around a thousand years old.

So OP changed the situation and he now has the scepter?

/thread

Forum rules say OP cannot be changed unless its less then 1-3 posts in. So this has gotten pretty dumb.

"7) When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts. This is to avoid confusion and frustration among the other posters. It will not be acceptable for the thread starter to randomly change the conditions of the thread at random intervals. Once the settings/weapons/gear/handicaps/abilities/etc have been cemented in the first few posts of the thread, that is how they will stay. Therefore, be very sure and for certain of how you want your thread to be constructed."

The rules clearly specify that changing the conditions when the thread is well underway is not allowed.

Back to topic, please.

Which means Loki has his armor, knives and imo magic. As magic was stated to be a learned skill rather than an inherent power.

Which means he still beats Baleman and conquers Gotham.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Odin strips Loki of his powers and banishes him to Midgard as a mortal.

When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

The OP clearly states that Loki has been stripped of his powers/abilities and is sent to live on Earth as a mortal man. We can safely assume that Loki has no powers/abilities or gear, save for the clothes that he is wearing.

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

The OP clearly states that Loki has been stripped of his powers/abilities and is sent to live on Earth as a mortal man. We can safely assume that Loki has no powers/abilities or gear, save for the clothes that he is wearing.

#BOOM
#Dropthemic

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.


So... does this mean Loki still gets his strength and fighting abilities?

It's amazing how much Loki has to be gimped just to give Baleman a slight chance. However Loki was still smart and skilled enough to hide from Shield, who had access to every camera on the planet and hundreds if not thousands of agents.

Baleman has zero chance of ever tracking Loki down.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So... does this mean Loki still gets his strength and fighting abilities?

How does that mean he gets his strength still? He just said he was de powered.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's amazing how much Loki has to be gimped just to give Baleman a slight chance. However Loki was still smart and skilled enough to hide from Shield, who had access to every camera on the planet and hundreds if not thousands of agents.

Baleman has zero chance of ever tracking Loki down.

Loki has to be gimped because its a basically a immortal (give or take 5000 years) indestructible god with supernatural powers, vs a human being..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How does that mean he gets his strength still? He just said he was de powered.

Because Impediment said this:

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

Yes on a human level..Thor was human at that point with above average strength and had good fighting skill, in which Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes on a human level..Thor was human at that point with above average strength and had good fighting skill.

I'm just trying to clarify. Because if that's the case then are we giving Loki roughly the same amount of human strength Thor has? Maybe just a notch or so lower?

As I said above, Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm just trying to clarify. Because if that's the case then are we giving Loki roughly the same amount of human strength Thor has? Maybe just a notch or so lower?

We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

It would be like a skinny person vs a big guy with muscles. Thor made it pretty clear that his human form would not help anyone. Now if we take human Loki, how can he have strength with no actual muscles to note of?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
As I said above, Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Strength is dependent on more than just big muscles. Loki is capable of trading and blocking blows from Thor which indicates that he's pretty near Thor's strength level. Loki is also a trained warrior with centuries of experience. That's quite a load of muscle memory.

Originally posted by Impediment
We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

I agree, he had above average strength due to his physiology, but not super human.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Strength is dependent on more than just big muscles. Loki is capable of trading and blocking blows from Thor which indicates that he's pretty near Thor's strength level. Loki is also a trained warrior with centuries of experience. That's quite a load of muscle memory.

HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS POWERS! Going toe toe with Thor with powers hold no bearing here man. He is a skinny smaller then average person in mortal form with no muscles to note of.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I agree, he had above average strength due to his physiology, but not super human.

Seemed closer to peak human strength from the way he handled SHIELD agents. Above average strength is someone who regularly goes to the gym.

THIS ISNT DEPOWERED THOR!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DE POWERED LOKI!

I get it you want Batman to lose based on circumventing the OP and Mod Ruling.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS POWERS! Going toe toe with Thor with powers hold no bearing here man. He is a skinny smaller then average person in mortal form with no muscles to note of.

So if he doesn't have his powers? Asgardian Loki was trading blows with Asgardian Thor. Is it really such a stretch to think human Loki won't have a similar comparison to human Thor?

So a small skinny person with agility can trade blows with a much bigger stronger person with better agility?

It is not safe to assume Loki has strength in human form when he does not have the physiology to base it on.

I see no reason for Loki to fail, I mean he was smart enough to stay a step ahead of Shield.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
THIS ISNT DEPOWERED THOR!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DE POWERED LOKI!

I get it you want Batman to lose based on circumventing the OP and Mod Ruling, I'm out.

How am I circumventing mod ruling? I'm assuming Loki's human strength is comparable to human Thor's simply because Loki's asgardian strength is also near to Thor's asgardian strength. So it follows that their human strength would be similar, with Thor somewhat stronger.

Your reasoning however is that Loki must be weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Tell me honestly, which argument here makes more sense?

You are comparing apples to oranges. Thor isn't just somewhat what stronger, he is a lot stronger, unless you think in god form Loki can trade blows with Hulk now.

Sorry you can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are comparing apples to oranges. Thor isn't just somewhat what stronger, he is a lot stronger, unless you think in god form Loki can trade blows with Hulk now.

Sorry you can't have it both ways.

I'm calling it as I see it. We've seen Loki trade blows with Thor quite a lot and Loki can hang in there with Thor for quite a bit. Yes Thor is stronger, but it's not so much that Loki can't block and take blows from Thor.

So it only follows that without powers, Loki would still be within Thor's strength range. That makes a lot more sense than simply thinking Loki is weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Plus you also neglect the fact that Loki is a trained warrior with centuries of experience.

Originally posted by Impediment
We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

I don't really think human Thor had superhuman strength. Based on how he handled the SHIELD agents I'd say he has peak human strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm calling it as I see it. We've seen Loki trade blows with Thor quite a lot and Loki can hang in there with Thor for quite a bit. Yes Thor is stronger, but it's not so much that Loki can't block and take blows from Thor.

So it only follows that without powers, Loki would still be within Thor's strength range. That makes a lot more sense than simply thinking Loki is weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Plus you also neglect the fact that Loki is a trained warrior with centuries of experience.

So your throwing out Thor stating he has always held back on Loki.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So your throwing out Thor stating he has always held back on Loki.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Loki is strong and skilled enough to give Thor a hard time, such that Thor needs to get very serious if he wants to take out Loki. Which means Loki is still within Thor's range. It's not like Thor can just toy around with Loki.

He never gave Thor a hard time. He never wanted to hurt or kill Loki even when Loki wanted to do the same to him. Don't you understand their fights were brotherly fights with Thor being the stronger loving brother even knowing that Loki despised him? And yes if Thor wanted to he could toy with him. He was always holding back and always gimping himself to help his brother.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, OP revised thread to allow mind control. With mind control he should do it very easily.

But even without mind control, this is a guy a thousand years old. Who's quite a capable combatant himself and is known for making plots within plots. That's already quite a number of advantages compared to the usual crime lords of Gotham.

age doesnt necessarily equate to knowledge or wisdom.. I know some old people that are dumb as ****, that argument holds no weight

Yea just look at how stupid Loki thought Thor was and they were the same age. Or look at how stupid Odin thought Loki was, age means nothing here.

Originally posted by relentless1
age doesnt necessarily equate to knowledge or wisdom.. I know some old people that are dumb as ****, that argument holds no weight

But we know it does in Loki's case as he was able to run circles around Shield. Seriously, at some point you really need to watch the movies.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He never gave Thor a hard time. He never wanted to hurt or kill Loki even when Loki wanted to do the same to him. Don't you understand their fights were brotherly fights with Thor being the stronger loving brother even knowing that Loki despised him? And yes if Thor wanted to he could toy with him. He was always holding back and always gimping himself to help his brother.

Then we disagree. If Thor was truly that far above Loki then he could easily incapacitate Loki without too much effort. The fact that he had to get pretty serious to eventually take out Loki shows that Loki is closer to Thor than you're willing to admit.

So then you think Loki could trade blows with Hulk.

Gotcha.

Loki could not even KO cap.

Thor is leagues above Loki.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So then you think Loki could trade blows with Hulk.

Gotcha.

Heck I don't think Thor could trade blows with Hulk, not for long anyway. I do think Loki could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Thor can and has shown he can. So if you think Loki is that close then that means you think Loki could as well.

And no, he wouldn't and we already have screen feats that prove he wouldn't put up any fight in h2h. He gets rag dolled, again. He could not even put Cap down.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor can and has shown he can. So if you think Loki is that close then that means you think Loki could as well.

And no, he wouldn't and we already have screen feats that prove he wouldn't put up any fight in h2h. He gets rag dolled, again.

You have zero screenfeats of Loki actually trying to fight Hulk. Try again.

You have zero evidence to prove he could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Try harder

See this is what you do when I prove your logic piss poor.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You have zero evidence to prove he could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Try harder

See this is what you do when I prove your logic piss poor.

I have proof he can put up a good fight against Thor, and proof that Thor puts up a good fight against Hulk. You have zero proof to show that Loki can't put up a good fight against Hulk.

Thor was holding back, Loki is way below Thor, try again.

Hulk already beat down Loki.

Loki could not put Cap down.

Try again

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor was holding back, Loki is way below Thor, try again.

Hulk already beat down Loki.

Loki could not put Cap down.

Try again

Below Thor? Yes. Way below Thor? No. Thor obviously had difficulty in fighting Loki.

Loki never tried to fight Hulk.

Loki only had how many seconds to fight Cap? Considering the fact that Cap is skilled and strong enough to fight off Ultron, Cap isn't exactly a lightweight.

Batman had trouble with Joker.

Concession accepted

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial


Concession accepted

K

Prove Loki has more durability on human form then joker who has been shown in all movies and comics to have insane damage soak.

Show me one slice of evidence showing Loki in human form having more damage soak then Joker.

I also forgot to mention. Kurse wrecked Thor harder then then Hulk wrecked Loki and Thor recovered much faster

Thor is leagues above Loki.

Thor is a fully powered Asgardian where is Loki is a runt frost giant.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Prove Loki has more durability on human form then joker who has been shown in all movies and comics to have insane damage soak.

Show me one slice of evidence showing Loki in human form having more damage soak then Joker.

Comics? Really?

Besides, it's not just durability. For all of Batman's supposed skill, he still had a hard time with Joker.

Yes comics and all movie showings. Dating back to the origional batman.

Now quit whining and accept the L.

Show me any durability showing for Loki in human form or take the L.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes comics and all movie showings. Dating back to the origional batman.

Now quit whining and accept the L.

Show me any durability showing for Loki in human form or take the L.

Sorry, no. This is a movie forum. We'll stick to movies. So, show me this supposedly insane durability you keep talking about regarding Joker.

Sorry but yes he has shown massive durability in all movie shows, weasel

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sorry but yes he has shown massive durability in all movie shows, weasel

Feats please.

Show me feats of Human Loki doing anything you claim.

And go watch the actual movie for yourself, weasel.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Show me feats of Human Loki doing anything you claim.

Hey man, you're the one who claimed Joker has insane durability feats. I never claimed Loki had insane human durability feats.

You claimed he was Thor light in human form.

Back your claim, weasel.

Show proof that Loki has strength in human form.

Originally posted by relentless1
cap was able to give him trouble and that was WITH powers

This was only because Loki wanted to get captured.

oh wow, what have I missed...... reading these last several pages.... anyways Baleman beats Loki in human form