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Both Anakin and Ahsoka are in their prime. How far do they make it?

1. Luminara Unduli & Barriss Offee
2. Darth Nihl & Darth Talon
3. Shaak Ti (TFU) & Depa Billaba (Legends)
4. B-Team
5. Obi-Wan Kenobi & Qui-Gon Jinn
6. Darth Maul & Savage Opress
7. Darth Malgus & Satele Shan
8. Count Dooku & Asajj Ventress
9. Revan
10. Darth Vader (TFU) & Galen Marek
11. Darth Krayt & Cade Skywalker
12. Exar Kun & Ulic Qel-Droma

Battle takes place here: http://visboo.com/img/01062010/66819.jpg

Rebels Ahsoka is hard to judge from just her battle with the inquisitors and in the absence of knowledge on her fight with Vader. So 8 low end, 12 high end.

Christie Golden retarded power leap end that makes no ****ing sense whatsoever... clears with mid difficulty.

Darth Malgus and Satele Shan below Count Dooku and Asajj Ventress? What's wrong with you?

Anyways, stop at 7.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Malgus and Satele Shan below Count Dooku and Asajj Ventress? What's wrong with you?

Anyways, stop at 7.
You've got a friend in Sinny...
You've got a friend in Sinny...
You think Malgus>Dooku and he does too...
You've got a friend in him!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Malgus and Satele Shan below Count Dooku and Asajj Ventress? What's wrong with you? gayism

Got some odd ordering there Joker.

6 should do it.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
gayism
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Should a human be allowed to marry an animal?

- Should a brother be allowed to marry his sister? Should all incestuous relationships be legalized?

- Should a woman be allowed to marry multiple men?

My point is that where do we draw the line?

Humans came up with the norms of right and wrong (moral code) and outcome was an advanced civilization. It was better for humans to differentiate themselves from wild animals.

Now, thanks to this legislation, we are heading back towards the era of barbarism and bestiality. I suppose, pro-incest movement would be next.

^^^

What's my political view got to do with this thread? Everybody knows that I am in the conservative camp.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^

What's my political view got to do with this thread? Everybody knows that I am in the conservative camp. http://45.media.tumblr.com/ae241aa41fa7921e39098070b7682758/tumblr_mvravdakYi1qgkktbo1_500.gif

Originally posted by ILS
Got some odd ordering there Joker.

6 should do it. I thot u wre cool ils

I'll have to see how Ahsoka does against Vader

I think that's an animal rights issue more than it is relevant to marriage laws.



That's gross, but I'm not really sure why the government should be involved with the issue in the first place.



1st amendment?

I don't know why you're concerned about what other people choose to do; in the off chance that someone consents to their partners practicing polygamy, what reason is there for you or the government to deny that? Why do you care, amigo?



So when exactly was humanity's "era" of bestiality? I find it hard to believe there was an era of cross-species ****ing.

EDIT: Wait, I kinda answered without reading context, what on earth was this post even doing in this thread? You're such a gossip girl, DMB.

how far do they make it sas

clear

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Robert-Redford-Nod-of-approval.gif

Originally posted by |King Joker|
gayism https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPmjRe5tcEynaJa/giphy.gif

how far do they make it beni

Maybe stop at 7, but probably possibly clear.

And if they do they possibly stop at 9, definitely 10.

6 and 9 might end them, done for sure at ten.

Depending on how she does against Vader. I'm leaning definite stop at 7 atm. I'll possibly reconsider on Wednesday

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Depending on how she does against Vader. I'm leaning definite stop at 7 atm. I'll possibly reconsider on Wednesday They fight on the 30th.

Hey legend. You got a problem with me kissing my bf, that's fine. I don't give the slightest shit. You can have any view you want. But I'm just going to let you know that you're stuck in the past. Move on with society, humanity is getting a brain(ish), and it's time you and your brain dead conservative friends wake the **** up and either worry about yourselves and stop making every life around you a living-****ing-hell for once, or get your heads out of your asses and realize that we don't ridicule and beat conservatives to death purely on the basis that you guys are conservative and that we actually accept that conservatives are just going to be brain dead ****holes and move on with our lives when you asshats try to make it illegal to consider looking at another member of our gender in any way you consider to be "wrong." Wake the **** up

Hey, Tond. Your soapbox is as dumb as LeGenD's, only with better grammar. No one cares. This is a Star Wars forum.

*kisses tond gently on the cheek*

Gey.

it was a bro kiss, bro. that means it isn't gay

Originally posted by |King Joker|
They fight on the 30th.

*cries*

Originally posted by |King Joker|
*kisses tond gently on the cheek*



Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Hey, Tond. Your soapbox is as dumb as LeGenD's, only with better grammar. No one cares. This is a Star Wars forum.

Just wanted to get that off my chest and chase him out of this thread

Originally posted by |King Joker|
*kisses tond gently on the cheek*

Ass cheek?

This is clearly a lie.



Another lie, just look at Lucius.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This is clearly a lie.



Another lie, just look at Lucius.

He can have any opinion he wants, my issue is he's publicizing it in a negative way.

Who?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Ass cheek? Sure.

rip everyone who said they clear.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You've got a friend in Sinny...
You've got a friend in Sinny...
You think Malgus>Dooku and he does too...
You've got a friend in him!

Originally posted by |King Joker|
it was a bro kiss, bro. that means it isn't gay
More homosexual lies. You're a beast, a beast! A wretched, foul beast!

that's why they call me... papa bear

https://45.media.tumblr.com/ce23a1b5fe0750794ce82b9161b43bec/tumblr_nki0wa4ncd1tmifpao1_400.gif

No one calls you that.

Ant does.

also gotta love how I derail my own threads

Joker, how far do you think they get?

10 or 11, IMO.

4.

How are they passing 7 or 9?

Originally posted by Tondemonai

Who?

A user here who would more or less sign up for the Liberal Gestapo for a Conservative holocaust if given the opportunity.

Originally posted by Sinious
How are they passing 7 or 9? I think Anakin is a better duelist than Malgus and Ahsoka likely a better duelist than Shan. If Ahsoka defends admirably against Vader's Force-attacks in Rebels, I think there's a good chance Shan's Force-use against Ahsoka won't be overwhelming her. There's also the fact Anakin and Ahsoka share a Master-Apprentice bond that would help with synergy. The only wild card is Malgus's Force-abilities, so I think Malgus & Shan could definitely pull some wins with that, but I think the other factors are more relevant.

And I'm not touching Revan, lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
A user here who would more or less sign up for the Liberal Gestapo for a Conservative holocaust if given the opportunity.

Not a bad idea... World would be a much better place

Originally posted by Sinious
How are they passing 7 or 9?
Because Malgus and Satele are shit.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
A user here who would more or less sign up for the Liberal Gestapo for a Conservative holocaust if given the opportunity.

thought u were talking about me

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because Malgus and Satele are shit.

They're not. At least not Malgus.


Anyway, they go down at 10 or 11.

Also, I'm assuming that by 'prime' Anakin you mean RotS? Because actual prime Anakin would pretty much annihilate anyone.

Malgus is sub-Act III TOR protag now, really he always was. He's really not that great.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malgus is sub-Act III TOR protag now, really he always was. He's really not that great.

He still has very decent feats and has a very good accolade from non other than Sidious himself.

That really doesn't change things, tbh. No one sub-ToR protag is taking on Anakin or Ahsoka in their primes.

Ahsoka really hasn't at this point shown anything to be better than Malgus in power or skill.

Its all contingent on how she performs against Vader.

She should be capable of giving Malgus a good fight, at the very least.

Also related to the gauntlet, Anakin beats Malgus and Satele really is only more powerful but should lose a duel to Ahsoka.

So they should win there, probably down at Maul and Savage atm

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I think Anakin is a better duelist than Malgus and Ahsoka likely a better duelist than Shan. If Ahsoka defends admirably against Vader's Force-attacks in Rebels, I think there's a good chance Shan's Force-use against Ahsoka won't be overwhelming her. There's also the fact Anakin and Ahsoka share a Master-Apprentice bond that would help with synergy. The only wild card is Malgus's Force-abilities, so I think Malgus & Shan could definitely pull some wins with that, but I think the other factors are more relevant.

And I'm not touching Revan, lol. I agree with this, but I think Satele's better Force feats would imply an edge in stamina, something that is quite important in a fight between too Ataru specialists.

Not really seeing any clear superiority from either in skill.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I agree with this, but I think Satele's better Force feats would imply an edge in stamina, something that is quite important in a fight between too Ataru specialists.

Not really seeing any clear superiority from either in skill. I suppose that is possible.

What's Shan's best skill/saber feat?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I suppose that is possible.

What's Shan's best skill/saber feat?

She went toe-to-toe with Malgus in the Hope trailer before her prime. She blitzes several Sith Warriors and droids simultaneously. She can perform Tutaniminis. She dueled evenly with Baras, before her prime also. She is also said to have immense speed and has formidable TK.

That was also before Malgus' prime, so...

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That was also before Malgus' prime, so...

Yeah. Still impressive doe.

If Ashoka does end up giving Vader a tough fight, I'll have a new respect for her.

How long did she last against Malgus? Like 15-20 seconds?

And what skill feats does Baras have?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
How long did she last against Malgus? Like 15-20 seconds?

And what skill feats does Baras have?

There's the rub.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yeah. Still impressive doe.

If Ashoka does end up giving Vader a tough fight, I'll have a new respect for her.
It's really not that impressive. Her palming a lightsaber was cool, but that's about it. Zallow did way better.

I wouldn't say Satele's saber feats are all that amazing, but they demonstrate clear talent. More importantly though she's got decades of battlefield experience under her belt, much of which would have involved lightsaber combat.

And seeing as all Ahsoka has is hype and her duel against the Inquisitors, I say they break even, for now.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I think Anakin is a better duelist than Malgus and Ahsoka likely a better duelist than Shan. If Ahsoka defends admirably against Vader's Force-attacks in Rebels, I think there's a good chance Shan's Force-use against Ahsoka won't be overwhelming her. There's also the fact Anakin and Ahsoka share a Master-Apprentice bond that would help with synergy. The only wild card is Malgus's Force-abilities, so I think Malgus & Shan could definitely pull some wins with that, but I think the other factors are more relevant. Malgus is a pretty good duelist himself, but I agree that Anakin is a better duelist. Sadly, Malgus' superiority in the force is bigger. I'm excited about Ahsoka vs Vader too, but as of now I doubt she can handle Satele's superior force showings, and even if she can, it would still be a close fight. On the contrary, team work favors Malgus and Satele as Malgus can unleash maelstrom or other devastating attacks. Satele would just have to survive for a short instance for Malgus to summon force attacks. I can't see Anakin and Ahsoka taking the majority tbh. Because you know he ragdolls Ahsoka and then kills Anakin with his much superior command of the force.

Even if we're blowing Malgus despite all the evidence to the contrary, Malgus isn't the type of combatant to spam Force attacks, and either of Team 2 could deal with Satele handily.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
How long did she last against Malgus? Like 15-20 seconds?

And what skill feats does Baras have?

What do you mean how long she lasts? Their duel goes on for a large chunk of the trailer.

And honestly Baras is sort of an unknown. We know he's proficient with lightning and that he's powerful enough to be on the Dark Council or at least to convince the Council that he's the Voice.

Malgus > RotS Anakin in the Force

10/10 an hero material

Originally posted by |King Joker|
How long did she last against Malgus? Like 15-20 seconds?

And what skill feats does Baras have?

She lasted a solid few minutes. Didn't do as well as Zallow, but still a few minutes. If you haven't seen the Hope trailer for SWTOR then I'd suggest watching it, you' get a really good look at her fighting style and Force strength. On the Baras front, his saber feats consist of pretty much solely consist of training the Emperors Wrarh II; however that was years after his fight with Satele so not really worth mentioning tbh.

Originally posted by Sinious
Malgus is a pretty good duelist himself, but I agree that Anakin is a better duelist. Sadly, Malgus' superiority in the force is bigger. I'm excited about Ahsoka vs Vader too, but as of now I doubt she can handle Satele's superior force showings, and even if she can, it would still be a close fight. On the contrary, team work favors Malgus and Satele as Malgus can unleash maelstrom or other devastating attacks. Satele would just have to survive for a short instance for Malgus to summon force attacks. I can't see Anakin and Ahsoka taking the majority tbh. Because you know he ragdolls Ahsoka and then kills Anakin with his much superior command of the force.

The trailer's entire span of fighting wasn't even a few minutes long, but Satele lasted a few minutes, kek.

Since when did Malgus become Anakin's superior in the Force?

Originally posted by Tondemonai
She lasted a solid few minutes. Didn't do as well as Zallow, but still a few minutes. Are we talking about the same thing? Malgus's and Shan's 1v1 in the Hope trailer was like ~30 seconds long. Originally posted by Tondemonai
If you haven't seen the Hope trailer for SWTOR then I'd suggest watching it, you' get a really good look at her fighting style and Force strength. Indeed, her agility and Force-strength was impressive. Originally posted by Tondemonai
On the Baras front, his saber feats consist of pretty much solely consist of training the Emperors Wrarh II; however that was years after his fight with Satele so not really worth mentioning tbh. Good to know.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Since when did Malgus become Anakin's superior in the Force?

Probably the clearing of a cave with tons of rubble around the time he fought Kao Cen Darach, the shaking of an enormous transport with his rage alone and overwhelming the strike team.

Note: This isn't me saying he's stronger simply why people might think Malgus was stronger.

At least as of RotS, per feats, Malgus is superior to Anakin in the Force. I agree, though, that suit Vader surpasses him.

Malgus doesn't even have great Force feats, lel.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Probably the clearing of a cave with tons of rubble around the time he fought Kao Cen Darach, the shaking of an enormous transport with his rage alone and overwhelming the strike team.

Note: This isn't me saying he's stronger simply why people might think Malgus was stronger.
This is shit Kanan can do half trained.

I can remember Anakin collapsing a 90x30 dome in Labyrinth of Evil.

OCW

I've read Malgus's respect thread, but thanks for copying and pasting it here.

Pretty obvious Kanan can do all that shit lmao

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I've read Malgus's respect thread, but thanks for copying and pasting it here.

You said he had no good feats, I replied. So you're welcome. If you've read about his feats, then why are you even saying he doesn't have good Force feats?

Originally posted by carthage
Pretty obvious Kanan can do all that shit lmao

Seriously doubt it.

Kanan's already done comparable things, lel. Fact is, a bunch of none combat showings and killing fodder randoms isn't impressive if it falls flat in the face of someone actually powerful, like a mid-tier TOR protagonist. Don't see the HoT dropping buildings, like a random Jedi can, but I'm pretty sure he can take them on. Combat showings matter more than anything.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kanan's already done comparable things, lel. Fact is, a bunch of none combat showings and killing fodder randoms isn't impressive if it falls flat in the face of someone actually powerful, like a mid-tier TOR protagonist. Don't see the HoT dropping buildings, like a random Jedi can, but I'm pretty sure he can take them on. Combat showings matter more than anything.

Right, so any Jedi can just blast away tons of metallic rubble away? While injured?

Also, TKing the Strike Team and bringing them all down to their knees with lightning, not impressive in your book?

Kanan's obviously burned holes through Jedi masters with lightning, blasted away Jedi across hangars that can hurl 5 car trams, and survive falls with force bubble from kilometers in the air, and was described as one of Sidious's most powerful predecessors.


Kanan's obviously close to Malgus

Yeah obviously.

Still waiting for someone to explain how Ahoksa is not getting one-shotted by Malgus' lightning.

EDIT: Also, WTF is wrong with you, Freshest? I'm dissing Joker and Ahsoka while wanking TOR characters and you're siding against me?

Because Anakin will be dueling him, maybe?

Originally posted by Sinious
EDIT: Also, WTF is wrong with you, Freshest? I'm dissing Joker and Ahsoka while wanking TOR characters and you're siding against me?
Lel, I'm not putting the greatest Jedi warrior of all time below Malgus.

Satele will keep him busy. She won't be much of a challenge, but she also won't go down as fast as Ahsoka.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lel, I'm not putting the greatest Jedi warrior of all time below Malgus. lel indeed tbh

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lel, I'm not putting the greatest Jedi warrior of all time below Malgus. ayee

I'm not saying he's as powerful as Vader, but saying he has no good feats is just ridiculous tbh

I honestly doubt Malgus would be stomping Ahsoka via lightning. She's likely physically strong enough and powerful enough in the Force to block any lightning coming her way, and she's not retarded so she wouldn't be like "durrr" when the lightning comes at her. Her agility would also benefit her if she attempts to avoid the lightning instead of blocking it head-on. Anakin meanwhile would be utterly humiliating Satele in a duel.

Also, I really don't see why it'd go Malgus vs. Ahsoka and Anakin vs. Satele, regardless.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Probably the clearing of a cave with tons of rubble around the time he fought Kao Cen Darach, the shaking of an enormous transport with his rage alone and overwhelming the strike team.

Note: This isn't me saying he's stronger simply why people might think Malgus was stronger.

Everything sans the strike team showing is absolutely Lexington Steele cock-tier compared to someone on Anakin's caliber. And even the strike team feat is disputed these days. I know the TOR clique wants to defends their homeboy and all, but do try to be a little realistic and not formulate faux advantages based on nothing at all.

Emokin can, and will be pushing Malgus shit in here.

I find it hard to believe how people can disregard Malgus's feats just like that. Besides, Palps himself said his battlefield feats are unparalleled and that he's one of his most powerful predecessors.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I honestly doubt Malgus would be stomping Ahsoka via lightning. She's likely physically strong enough and powerful enough in the Force to block any lightning coming her way, and she's not retarded so she wouldn't be like "durrr" when the lightning comes at her. Her agility would also benefit her if she attempts to avoid the lightning instead of blocking it head-on. Anakin meanwhile would be utterly humiliating Satele in a duel.

Also, I really don't see why it'd go Malgus vs. Ahsoka and Anakin vs. Satele, regardless.

I think Anakin may defeat Satele before the Malgus vs. Ashoka duel ends, but I doubt she'll be able to easily deflect his lightning, if at all.

You think it'd be Anakin vs. Malgus and Satele vs. Ashoka?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I think Anakin may defeat Satele before the Malgus vs. Ashoka duel ends.

You think it'd be Anakin vs. Malgus and Satele vs. Ashoka? That would certainly be the case.

Yeah, usually the strongest member of each team fight each other, tbh.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
That would certainly be the case.

Yeah, usually the strongest member of each team fight each other, tbh.

If it's Malgus vs. Anakin and Ashoka vs. Satele, what do you think the outcome would be?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I honestly doubt Malgus would be stomping Ahsoka via lightning. She's likely physically strong enough and powerful enough in the Force to block any lightning coming her way, and she's not retarded so she wouldn't be like "durrr" when the lightning comes at her. Her agility would also benefit her if she attempts to avoid the lightning instead of blocking it head-on. Anakin meanwhile would be utterly humiliating Satele in a duel.



Aryn wasn't able to withstand his lightning, and she was strong enough to throw him 20 meters. The Zabrak Jedi master also wasn't able to fully deflect his lightning, why would Ahsoka have better luck?

She could dodge it, but I don't how she could deflect it on her saber

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
If it's Malgus vs. Anakin and Ashoka vs. Satele, what do you think the outcome would be? Originally posted by |King Joker|
I think Anakin is a better duelist than Malgus and Ahsoka likely a better duelist than Shan. If Ahsoka defends admirably against Vader's Force-attacks in Rebels, I think there's a good chance Shan's Force-use against Ahsoka won't be overwhelming her. There's also the fact Anakin and Ahsoka share a Master-Apprentice bond that would help with synergy. The only wild card is Malgus's Force-abilities, so I think Malgus & Shan could definitely pull some wins with that, but I think the other factors are more relevant.

So yeah I think Anakin & Ahsoka would take it in that scenario as well.

Originally posted by carthage
Aryn wasn't able to withstand his lightning, and she was strong enough to throw him 20 meters. The Zabrak Jedi master also wasn't able to fully deflect his lightning, why would Ahsoka have better luck?

She could dodge it, but I don't how she could deflect it on her saber Excerpts?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
So yeah I think Anakin & Ahsoka would take it in that scenario as well.

Excerpts?



-Deceived

-The Third lesson

Originally posted by carthage
-Deceived

-The Third lesson




Why people underestimate Malgus's Force abilities is beyond me.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I find it hard to believe how people can disregard Malgus's feats just like that. Besides, Palps himself said his battlefield feats are unparalleled and that he's one of his most powerful predecessors.

It's not that I'm disregarding Malgus' feats----it' just that they aren't something that would place him above someone as powerful as the Chosen One---you know, that guy who is much more powerful than Darth Tyranus, and was chucking respectable fractions of a humongous statue for shits and giggles.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian


Palpatine said the same about Bane IIRC, and we all know he is the weakest out of virtually dozens upon dozens of Sith in his own line, let alone ancient Sith like Vitiate, Exar Kun, so on and so forth. The unparalleled bit is no better than RoTS musing about Anakin being the strongest, fastest and most powerful Jedi to ever live. Flowery lip-service that doesn't match up with the accolade when put in perspective. It's a great accolade no doubt, but hardly something that should be taken at face-value.

Anakin is the most powerful Jedi in canon, DC. TFA Visual Dictionary and Kanan said so.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
It's not that I'm disregarding Malgus' feats----it' just that they aren't something that would place him above someone as powerful as the Chosen One---you know, that guy who is much more powerful than Darth Tyranus, and was chucking respectable fractions of a humongous statue for shits and giggles.

Yeah... I never said Malgus was superior to Anakin.



I don't consider Bane to be as weak as everyone makes him out to be, but that's a whole other topic.

Apart from that, Malgus actually has the showings to prove this.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Yeah... I never said Malgus was superior to Anakin.

Never said you did. More or less, elaborating why i don't find Malgus Force feats to be all that great in comparison a peak Anakin's.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian I don't consider Bane to be as weak as everyone makes him out to be, but that's a whole other topic

Neither do I in regards to Bane, but that really wasn't the point. Palpatine listing Malgus as one of his most powerful predecessors is just too ambiguous a quote because he had virtually thousands upon thousands of predecessors. Being in the top 30 realistically would net you a one of the most powerful statement from a pragmatic standpoint.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Apart from that, Malgus actually has the showings to prove this.

In the exact way Anakin has feats and such to back up his accolade?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anakin is the most powerful Jedi in canon, DC. TFA Visual Dictionary and Kanan said so.
Hehe.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Never said you did. More or less, elaborating why i don't find Malgus Force feats to be all that great in comparison a peak Anakin's.

Oh, ok.




I don't think it's too ambiguous if he's referring to a small group of Sith. That means he considers only a few individuals to be truly powerful predecessors.




Yep, pretty much imo.

@ carthage

Explain how Anakin surpasses those feats.

For one Anakin has more than enough strength to withstand Malgus's lightning, and secondly his OCW feats like moving large CIS dreadknoughts/crushing Large spider droids and generally having much greater inherent force potential than Malgus should help.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111178634/4309223-anakin+manipulates+spider+droid.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111178634/4309225-anakin+moves+dreadnaught.jpg

I don't know what to make of OCW feats tbh.

Honestly not seeing how OCW feats are any more over the top than what we see in TOR and shit like that.

Because apparently random TOR Jedi Knights knocking over buildings is more believable than Anakin moving something with TK.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because apparently random TOR Jedi Knights knocking over buildings is more believable than Anakin moving something with TK.

I like how people use Anakin's best showings and ignore the fact that he couldn't blow open a durasteel door in LoE. The dude's extremely inconsistent when emotionally conflicted which he is almost all the time.

Yeah, we usually ignore retarded showings.

That's just a good durability feat for the door, not an anti-feat to be used against Anakin. Nice fallacious debating Syndicate, KEK.

Originally posted by ILS
That's just a good durability feat for the door, not an anti-feat to be used against Anakin. Nice fallacious debating Syndicate, KEK.

My apologies. I can't believe I tried to downplay Wankakin like that.

Originally posted by ILS
That's just a good durability feat for the door, not an anti-feat to be used against Anakin. Nice fallacious debating Syndicate, KEK.

It would be a good durability feat for the door if Anakin didn't have much more impressive showings than blasting open a door. It shows Anakin is inconsistent.

Still, not saying he's less powerful than Malgus, Forcewise.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, we usually ignore retarded showings.

I'm glad to know what's retarded and what's not is decided by the users on KMC. All in all I feel much better about things.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
It would be a good durability feat for the door if Anakin didn't have much more impressive showings than blasting open a door. It shows Anakin is inconsistent.

Still, not saying he's less powerful than Malgus, Forcewise.

He's joking mate. :P

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
It would be a good durability feat for the door if Anakin didn't have much more impressive showings than blasting open a door. It shows Anakin is inconsistent.

Still, not saying he's less powerful than Malgus, Forcewise. This door is clearly exceptional.

Originally posted by ILS
This door is clearly exceptional.

+1

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm glad to know what's retarded and what's not is decided by the users on KMC. All in all I feel much better about things.

Nah. If Anakin showings was that horrible on a consistent basis he would be TK stomped by everyone he faced, he wouldn't be considered one of the most pwerful to ever do it, and he wouldn't have feats that supersede that in abundance. Ergo, the credibility of the showings isn't actually worth mentioning.

Originally posted by ILS
This door is clearly exceptional.

Satele's door >>>

Originally posted by Syndicate
He's joking mate. :P

Damn. Anakin is so loved around here I don't know anymore.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah. If Anakin showings was that horrible on a consistent basis he would be TK stomped by everyone he faced, he wouldn't be considered one of the most pwerful to ever do it, and he wouldn't have feats that supersede that in abundance. Ergo, the credibility of the showings isn't actually worth mentioning.

He was emotionally conflicted. He's constantly shown to have a fluctuating power level because of his emotional state, such as in his duel against Dooku. I'm simply saying it could have an effect on the outcome of the fight here.

Originally posted by Syndicate
He was emotionally conflicted. He's constantly shown to have a fluctuating power level because of his emotional state, such as in his duel against Dooku. I'm simply saying it could have an effect on the outcome of the fight here.
Been a while since I've read LoE, but do you mind explaining why he was emotionally hindered?

As for the subject in general, yes---it's more or less canon fact that Anakin's power can fluctuate depending on his emotional state, but, that same thing that can hinder him, can also amp him. As he did against Dooku when he obliterated him.
The real question is.
1) How do you go about determining whether or not he will be emotionally hindered for any given match.

And

2) Why would be be emotionally hindered against foes he has zero sort of feelings for in one way or another? These kind of matches take place in a vacuum unless stated otherwise.

Until we can figure this out, gauging whether or not his emotions will play a role, for better or worse, is pure conjecture.

The RoTS novel seems to imply that Anakin in his final battle against Dooku drew on powers he had not only never used before, but actively prevented himself from using. Given that it seems very unlikely it would come into play, unless he's provoked.

Sure. He was really intent on capturing Nute Gunray because of what he'd done to Padme in TPM and throughout the Clone Wars and thus was getting frustrated.

Well I see what you're saying here but in the fight with Dooku he got an amp from his rage because Sidious encouraged him to embrace his rage and emotions when before he had been fighting against it.

True enough and I don't think Anakin would likely be hindered here, I doubt however that he's going to get enraged like near the end of LoE or have the time to focus his energies like he did with the dreadnought feat in a fight against an opponent like Malgus who I personally view to be very much on Anakin's level. Along with the fact that Malgus will have no personal knowledge of Anakin to taunt him with and thus incidentally enrage and unwittingly amp him.

I think it's necessary although to be honest I think the effect it would have would be minimal. I just don't want people to take his best feats out of context and use it as an excuse to claim that Anakin is far better then he necessarily is normally.

Might end at 4, more likely 5, even more likely 6, 7 will do it.

Originally posted by carthage
For one Anakin has more than enough strength to withstand Malgus's lightning, and secondly his OCW feats like moving large CIS dreadknoughts/crushing Large spider droids and generally having much greater inherent force potential than Malgus should help.
Anakin Skywalker is not good at tolerating Force Lightning. He can use a lightsaber to protect himself but it won't be enough to counter Darth Malgus's Force Lightning either.

Originally posted by carthage

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I suppose that Darth Malgus would be leveling cities in this kind of medium. I don't take it at face value.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I like how people use Anakin's best showings and ignore the fact that he couldn't blow open a durasteel door in LoE. The dude's extremely inconsistent when emotionally conflicted which he is almost all the time.
Thanks for revealing it.

Fans of PT era content do not want to discuss lower showings because they defy their personal agenda.

If the Chosen One was in TOR he'd be massacring a legion of Sith Lords with a broken arm while drinking a cup of tea on a dark side nexus.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
If the Chosen One was in TOR he'd be massacring a legion of Sith Lords with a broken arm while drinking a cup of tea on a dark side nexus.
In your dreams perhaps.

Anakin Skywalker is good but he is not that good.

Look at these two:

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, we usually ignore retarded showings.

Originally posted by ILS
That's just a good durability feat for the door, not an anti-feat to be used against Anakin. Nice fallacious debating Syndicate, KEK.

Priceless

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In your dreams perhaps.

Anakin Skywalker is good but he is not that good. I'm not saying he's literally capable of doing it; I'm alluding to TOR's exaggerated and ridiculous nature.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm not saying he's literally capable of doing it; I'm alluding to TOR's exaggerated and ridiculous nature.
TOR is exaggerated?

Only Revan and Valkorion have significant hype. Others not so much.

Weren't you the one claiming Thanaton's lightning vastly outstripped Bane's or Sidious's and that Darth Skotia was Count Dooku's equal?

Surely if you think Thanaton and Skotia can compete with Dooku and Sidious in certain categories, they would certainly have noticeable hype from your POV.

Weren't you the one arguing Kas'im is better than TPM Maul and Darth Bane could beat Mace Windu?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Weren't you the one claiming Thanaton's lightning vastly outstripped Bane's or Sidious's and that Darth Skotia was Count Dooku's equal?
They were merely suppositions.

Darth Thanaton

However, I do believe that Darth Thanaton was more proficient in the use of Force Lightning than Darth Bane ever was.

Palpatine may have surpassed Darth Thanaton in the area of Force Lightning at some point though.

Darth Skotia

This Sith Lord was cybernetically enhanced; he was powerful enough to give second thoughts to Lord Zash about confronting him head-on. Eventually, Lord Zash dispatched her apprentice (i.e. Darth Nox) to do the deed.

However, Darth Nox had no choice but to sabotage his cybernetics in order to defeat him. This is official.

My point is that Darth Skotia was no ordinary Sith Lord. He was good enough to become a Darth in the Sith Empire.

If Thanaton is that good in your eyes in comparison to dark side legends, and Nox stomped him, how are Revan and Vitiate the only guys with truly great hype?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If Thanaton is that good in your eyes in comparison to dark side legends, and Nox stomped him, how are Revan and Vitiate the only guys with truly great hype?
Darth Nox did not defeat him in a fair manner; Darth Nox drew on the power of (several) Force ghosts to bolster his defenses and raw power to achieve breakthrough in this confrontation. We have yet to witness such magnitude of power in use in combat situations in the lore afterwards.

Do you know that several Force ghosts mortally wounded Darth Sidious on Korriban at some point?

Darth Thanaton's hype is official and his demise surprised even the likes of Darth Marr.

I maintain that only Revan and Valkorion get the nod from fans. Others not so much.

Yes well those Sith spirits were of dark lords quite a lot more powerful than the Sith Nox binded, infact IIRC it was Marka Ragnos and groupies, doing what Nadd did to Vodo.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes well those Sith spirits were of dark lords quite a lot more powerful than the Sith Nox binded, infact IIRC it was Marka Ragnos and groupies, doing what Nadd did to Vodo.
Those Spirits remain unidentified.

I doubt that many spirits would be more potent than that of Aloysius Kallig by the way.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Honestly not seeing how OCW feats are any more over the top than what we see in TOR and shit like that. Am I missing out on a higher canon that depicts the same TOR characters as much weaker and vulnerable against squadrons of droids, let alone entire armies?

I personally love OCW, and watched most of it again recently, which got me thinking about how these Jedi perform like they always should. I would rather see Mace soloing armies instead of having trouble with 1 non force sensitive. If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palpatine may have surpassed Darth Thanaton in the area of Force Lightning at some point though.

You can't be serious with this, Legend. Even mentioning Thanaton's lightning in the same sentence with Palpatine's is beyond ridiculous.

Originally posted by Sinious
Am I missing out on a higher canon that depicts the same TOR characters as much weaker and vulnerable against squadrons of droids, let alone entire armies?

I personally love OCW, and watched most of it again recently, which got me thinking about how these Jedi perform like they always should. I would rather see Mace soloing armies instead of having trouble with 1 non force sensitive. If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Seriously? So in AotC the jedi were cornered and defeated, but in OCW they solo large numbers of droids so it's inconsistent. Hmmmm....

Let's take a look at KotFE shall we?

Lana + Outlander is no match for Vaylin, Heskal stomps Senya, Outlander beats Heskal, Senya beats Vaylin.

So KotFE hierarchy looks like this: Outlander + Lana < Vaylin < Senya <<< Heskal < Outlander.

Seems inconsistent, don't you think?

But let's get further back: Healthy Hope Malgus can't one shot a trooper, yet later when injured he one shots a Jedi.

Guess what people? EU was always inconsistent. If you want to disregard an entire source, because it's inconsistent, then there is no Star Wars.

I would think there is a big difference between PIS within the same source and an entire medium clearly exaggerating the powers of Jedi across the board, in comparison to other higher mediums.

Unreliable sources exist, and distinctions have and need to be made, and the fact is Movies + TCW > OCW. The former sources are just more accurate.

lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source. And it's not like OCW is constantly inconsistent.

How is this beyond the second most powerful jedi up until AotC?
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How is this beyond one of the most powerful jedi who ever lived?
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How is this beyond the mother****ing Chosen One, the pinnacle of mortal force usage?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111178634/4314698-anakin+tk+4.jpg

But of course barely knighted TOR jedi are the best, so when they blow open 20m blast doors it's totally legit.
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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Seriously? So in AotC the jedi were cornered and defeated, but in OCW they solo large numbers of droids so it's inconsistent. Hmmmm....

Let's take a look at KotFE shall we?

Lana + Outlander is no match for Vaylin, Heskal stomps Senya, Outlander beats Heskal, Senya beats Vaylin.

So KotFE hierarchy looks like this: Outlander + Lana < Vaylin < Senya <<< Heskal < Outlander.

Seems inconsistent, don't you think?

But let's get further back: Healthy Hope Malgus can't one shot a trooper, yet later when injured he one shots a Jedi.

Guess what people? EU was always inconsistent. If you want to disregard an entire source, because it's inconsistent, then there is no Star Wars. Yeah every example you gave is similar to what goes on within TCW like Ventress choking Anakin+Kenobi midfight, Maul easily and utterly stomping Savage but then Savage TK'ing Dooku+Ventress and then Anakin+Kenobi etc.

About Malgus, non force sensitives often end up giving Jedi/Sith trouble. This happens in PT or other eras mostly because the story is usually more important than the OPness of the characters. But I'd say it happened in Hope to show that classes like trooper, agent etc are not inferior to force sensitive classes in the game.

Like Beni said, OCW is a different case entirely for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source. And it's not like OCW is constantly inconsistent.

How is this beyond the second most powerful jedi up until AotC?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111137054/3782462-3387834-3.gif
How is this beyond one of the most powerful jedi who ever lived?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11126/111265303/4929043-tk+makes+durge+implode.gif
How is this beyond the mother****ing Chosen One, the pinnacle of mortal force usage?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111178634/4314698-anakin+tk+4.jpg

But of course barely knighted TOR jedi are the best, so when they blow open 20m blast doors it's totally legit.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124590/4500220-0378116447-mGRd9.gif Originally posted by Sinious
If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah every example you gave is similar to what goes on within TCW like Ventress choking Anakin+Kenobi midfight, Maul easily and utterly stomping Savage but then Savage TK'ing Dooku+Ventress and then Anakin+Kenobi etc.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source.

Exactly, so inconsistencies are pretty much everywhere within the lore, like you said. And like I said, that's completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Originally posted by Sinious
And like I said, that's completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

How is it irrelevant? OCW depicts some of the most powerful force users of all time and those feats are on par with some TOR random showings, yet OCW is constantly disregarded while some people can't even speak coherently with all the TOR cum in their mouth.

I guess it's more complicated than I thought for some people. Let me rephrase it for you:

SWTOR doesn't contradict a higher canon TOR movie, where OCW does.

Don't get me wrong, I think OCW is indeed how those guys should be fighting. Unfortunately, PT fans also lowball other eras and unexposed characters of unexposed eras. So, I guess until era bias dies (which will never happen), you're gonna have a hard time getting fans of different eras to accept OCW feats since all they have to do is point to a higher canon that completely trashes OCW.