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the goal here is for surfer to get a 3-4/10, can he do it? this is a pure slugfest no pressure points or matter transmutation or martial arts or any of that jazz , just swinging on each other, you know a SLUGFEST!

speed and reaction are equalized

predcnu supes


lets go hehehehehehehehe http://i.imgur.com/NFJe0Co.png

How many Surfers are in the thread?

Originally posted by Juntai
How many Surfers are in the thread?

just one why?

after the way surfer handled brb, i think he could pull a 3/10, not sure about a 4 though...

Surfer wins.

Superman 10/10.

Superman wins. The Surfer's power set used to exploit Superman's weakness to varying energy sources, to literally having the ability to rearrange the genetics of others has always been the reason that he defeats Superman and others like him in my opinion. Purely a slugfest? Not on your life.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman 10/10. Surfer is more durable and has trouncex WW hulk and the war bound before not fighting back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer is more durable and has trouncex WW hulk and the war bound before not fighting back.

The Hulk was still extremely weakened at that time, as was the Surfer, but the Surfer seemed to have the ability to shake off the effects of the wormhole better than the Hulk did. Besides that, the Surfer is the Hulk's silver bullet. Always has been.

Surfer stomps.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk was still extremely weakened at that time, as was the Surfer, but the Surfer seemed to have the ability to shake off the effects of the wormhole better than the Hulk did. Besides that, the Surfer is the Hulk's silver bullet. Always has been. He fought him hand to hand which isn't his forte. He took on the war bound as well. Quit ignoring that. Surfer wins.

Superman

Supes is stronger, tougher, a better fighter and easily comparable in durability.

Originally posted by playa1258
Supes is stronger, tougher, a better fighter and easily comparable in durability. Arguable. As I said the manner in which Surfer dealt with Hulk was beastly. Kal is in trouble.

Supes could do the same.

Originally posted by playa1258
Supes could do the same. Difference is Surfer did. I have evidence you have wishful thinking. I win.

Superman would turn Surfer into silver hamburger here.

Anybody thinking Surfer has a chance here is simply trolling.

Superman shitstomps and this is an unfair thread for surfer

Supes ripped DD in half.

Originally posted by playa1258
Supes ripped DD in half.

Wrong Superman(OP specifies Pre-FLASHPOINT). But Superman still stomps.

Originally posted by playa1258
Supes ripped DD in half.
Surfer cheapshotted Hulk with a mace and then headbutted him while he was approaching him as a friend.

Hulk in turn KTFO him with three hits and was about to kill him when he was stopped.

Pak trolled Surfer fans hard and they are gullible enough to promote it as some kind of high showing.

Must be the CBR diciples.

Hmmm,I seem to remember surfer hottong hulk with a mace,theb thrashing him and the entire warbound,hulk agreeing that if surfer got another pass he was dead,then proceeded to break his control disk with help from hiroaim,then surfer stopped fighting and was thanking him,before hulk cheapshotted him with several hits,and a page later,surfer was just fine.
OT: h2h isn't surfer's forte,he has very little feats in the department,he isn't winning a slugfest with supes

surfer rotfl stomps supes. it's all in the comics. no debate at all really

i'd say pre-power cosmic surfer wins. yeah, norrin radd beats supes

Originally posted by Raisen
i'd say pre-power cosmic surfer wins. yeah, norrin radd beats supes

Good fight. Surfer has some beastly h2h fts. He would do good in all of them but I can't picture him outright beating Supes in a h2h match.

Superman. Physically he's just plain superior where it counts.

Anyone saying it's a stomp is a dumbass, though.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/BREAKS%20AMPED%20DARKSEID%20BODY/DotNG8PIERCESDSSKINWHENHESURVIVEDTHIS2.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20CYBORG%20SUPERMAN/week30-1993-Superman_V2-82PUNCHESTROUGHCYBORG.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20CYBORG%20SUPERMAN/02.jpg

There are more examples of superman messing with herald level durability

I still love Rockafort's art. He's so good.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I still love Rockafort's art. He's so good.

He's doing a really good job on the Ultimates run at the moment.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He's doing a really good job on the Ultimates run at the moment.

I didn't even know there was an Ultimates book atm. Is it any good?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't even know there was an Ultimates book atm. Is it any good?

Yeah mate I think it's pretty cool. It's worth mentioning it isn't as in 1610 Marvel. But a team of Blue Marvel, Black Panther, Carol Danvers, America Chavez and Monica Rambeau.

Here is a little excerpt.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ultimates #4 Pt 2/2

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359918_Ultimates_2015-_004-012.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359921_Ultimates_2015-_004-013.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359924_Ultimates_2015-_004-014.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359927_Ultimates_2015-_004-015.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359930_Ultimates_2015-_004-016.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359934_Ultimates_2015-_004-017.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359939_Ultimates_2015-_004-018.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25359944_Ultimates_2015-_004-019.jpg

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yeah mate I think it's pretty cool. It's worth mentioning it isn't as in 1610 Marvel. But a team of Blue Marvel, Black Panther, Carol Danvers, America Chavez and Monica Rambeau.

Here is a little excerpt.

Aww; I was all excited for a second there.

Superman for the win. As Pr pointed out, he is superior where it counts.

Superman wins in this case. It wouldn't be easy but Supes would win more often than not. I see it like a heavyweight in a toe to toe slugfest with a cruiserweight.

Originally posted by playa1258
Supes is stronger, tougher, a better fighter and easily comparable in durability.

Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20CYBORG%20SUPERMAN/02.jpg

There are more examples of superman messing with herald level durability Superman sticks his hands inside surfer and kills him

Originally posted by Surtur
Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74503/1429269-justice_league_of_america_030_pg_17.jpg

the moon was traveling at a very insane speed. and F=MA, SO THIS FEAT IS WAY ABOVE PLANET BUSTING.

the next time you wanna downplay a feat make sure you actually read the comic and know what youre talking about kid. otherwise this will happen again

Originally posted by Surtur
Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?

Is a good thing you are a "superman fan" otherwise you will sound like a silver surfer fan with a superman avi trying to downplay a feat that is actually pretty good.

Originally posted by Surtur
Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?
Well, it's not like an amped Surfer killed himself destroying a moon.

Superman destroyed a moon that was moving at a very high velocity. Surfer died destroying a stationery moon.



http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980209_surferlol.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980216_surferlol1.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980223_surferlol2.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980230_surferlol3.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980232_surferlol4.jpg



So yes, Superman is quite a bit more durable than Surfer. Surfer wishes he has Superman level durability feats.

And yet again,another surfer-superman fan slugfest

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer cheapshotted Hulk with a mace and then headbutted him while he was approaching him as a friend.

Hulk in turn KTFO him with three hits and was about to kill him when he was stopped.

Pak trolled Surfer fans hard and they are gullible enough to promote it as some kind of high showing.



No

Originally posted by Genii96
Hmmm,I seem to remember surfer hottong hulk with a mace,theb thrashing him and the entire warbound,hulk agreeing that if surfer got another pass he was dead,then proceeded to break his control disk with help from hiroaim,then surfer stopped fighting and was thanking him,before hulk cheapshotted him with several hits,and a page later,surfer was just fine.
OT: h2h isn't surfer's forte,he has very little feats in the department,he isn't winning a slugfest with supes

This

Originally posted by ghostman
]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74503/1429269-justice_league_of_america_030_pg_17.jpg

the moon was traveling at a very insane speed. and F=MA, SO THIS FEAT IS WAY ABOVE PLANET BUSTING.

the next time you wanna downplay a feat make sure you actually read the comic and know what youre talking about kid. otherwise this will happen again

No it isnt. Said it will still have the same mass as the moon. Superman still wins this though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, it's not like an amped Surfer killed himself destroying a moon.

Superman destroyed a moon that was moving at a very high velocity. Surfer died destroying a stationery moon.



http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980209_surferlol.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980216_surferlol1.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980223_surferlol2.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980230_surferlol3.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15980232_surferlol4.jpg



So yes, Superman is quite a bit more durable than Surfer. Surfer wishes he has Superman level durability feats.




Not what happened.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Superman sticks his hands inside surfer and kills him

No!!!

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Superman sticks his hands inside surfer and kills him

Ew. Perverse.

Originally posted by carver9
No it isnt. Said it will still have the same mass as the moon. Superman still wins this though.

Yeah, but it was travelling at a high speed.

Which increases it's energy (imagine a sniper bullet thrown at you, and then fired at you).


I reckon Surtur is a massive Supes fan, and his attempt was a feint to draw abhi et al out.

Originally posted by carver9
Not what happened.
That's exactly what happened. It can't get any more clear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ew. Perverse.



Yeah, but it was travelling at a high speed.

Which increases it's energy (imagine a sniper bullet thrown at you, and then fired at you).


I reckon Surtur is a massive Supes fan, and his attempt was a feint to draw abhi et al out.

It was moving pretty fast but it wasn't planet busting.

I think Superman fans are slowly pushing Surter away from the character. When he first got here, I couldn't stand seeing him in a Supes thread.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No



This
It helps to actually read comics.

Surfer was the one laid out on his ass at the end and who had to be saved. Hulk shrugged off Surfer's cheapshots.

Surfer folded like a pansy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's exactly what happened. It can't get any more clear.

One Punch will be in here soon to correct you. I don't have the time or energy to do it, getting ready for work. Enjoy!!!

Originally posted by carver9
One Punch will be in here soon to correct you. I don't have the time or energy to do it, getting ready for work. Enjoy!!!
You mean he'll be here to whine? Like You?

Nice evasion tactics though. "I don't have time for this."

Originally posted by carver9
It was moving pretty fast but it wasn't planet busting.

I think Superman fans are slowly pushing Surter away from the character. When he first got here, I couldn't stand seeing him in a Supes thread.


yes it was you ****ing idiot, stop it. now i see why half this forum has you on ignore.

Originally posted by ghostman
yes it was you ****ing idiot, stop it. now i see why half this forum has you on ignore.

No!!!

Half the forum? Who have me on ignore?

Shut it.

Carver's getting dressed, and eating oatmeal, and replying to you all.

Originally posted by carver9
No!!!

Half the forum? Who have me on ignore?


screaming no isnt gonna change whats on panel, youre an idiot if you think the moon moving at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour is simply moon busting, read the comic boy. you cant downplay this, stop.

lmao trying to say the moon moving that fast is still having the same mass, they even put F=ma in the comic numb nuts

Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat.

Another thing to consider is that none of the league including ****ing Zatanna who is just a plot device had enough power to do anything to the moon.

That just takes it to another level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. I know you're joking, but the moon doesn't have 81 billion tons, it was a mistake that the author later admitted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat.
McDuffie admitted that there was an error in printing and instead of 81 quadrillion tons, it was 81 billion tons.

You can see where Hardware says it had the mass of the real moon.

Originally posted by Surtur
Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?

In addition to the context others have pointed you left out, the energy that replica was made of drains Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat.

That's not the mass of the moon and the writer later clarify that he made a mistake.

Plus you are not taking into account that he just didn't "stop" the moon he PULVERIZED IT.

Originally posted by Delta1938
In addition to the context others have pointed you left out, the energy that replica was made of drains Superman.

And that is pure energy.

In theory, if we were able to convert mass into pure energy. The mass of a two story house converted into energy will be enough to destroy earth.

This is a better way to gauge durability.

By Jim starlin , galactus surviving two planets colliding barely.

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad9/ThorOdinson/Thanos0607.jpg

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad9/ThorOdinson/Thanos0608.jpg


http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad9/ThorOdinson/Thanos0610.jpg


By Jim starlin , superman surviving two planets colliding without any scratch


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/DeathOfTheNewGods08a.jpg



http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/DeathOfTheNewGods08b.jpg



http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/DeathOfTheNewGods08c.jpg

mmm

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And that is pure energy.

In theory, if we were able to convert mass into pure energy. The mass of a two story house converted into energy will be enough to destroy earth.

That slipped my mind. IIRC, only a few grams of mass were converted into energy in the Hiroshima bomb. I'm not gonna do the math, but even going by the mistaken mass of the shadow moon, that much of pure energy would cause a much greater than Moon busting explosion. And made of energy that drains him. If we go by the actualass of the Moon.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat.
Darksaint's numbers are right, he just misspoke when he said the moon was 81 billion tons.

Astronomers have calculated this using the real mass of the moon (i.e., 7.3 x 10^22 kg), and according to them it takes only 1.2 x 10^29 joules to destroy the moon. So darksaint's numbers check out.

Source: http://www.universetoday.com/121421/how-could-we-destroy-the-moon/

Originally posted by One-Punch
Darksaint's numbers are right, he just misspoke when he said the moon was 81 billion tons.

Astronomers have calculated this using the real mass of the moon (i.e., 7.3 x 10^22 kg), and according to them it takes only 1.2 x 10^29 joules to destroy the moon. So darksaint's numbers check out.

Source: http://www.universetoday.com/121421/how-could-we-destroy-the-moon/
Now multiply that to the speed moon was moving and see how much power it takes to completely dissipate such a mass.

But the feat becomes much more impressive when you take into consideration how characters like Zatanna, Wonder Woman and John Stewart were unable to do anything to it.

That's why it's so much more impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now multiply that to the speed moon was moving and see how much power it takes to completely dissipate such a mass.
Darksaint already did that. He actually had the right numbers in the first place.

Not really.

Anyway, space cheese really isn't that impressive because of real life numbers. It's the hierarchy that matters.

Surfer really can't compete with Superman in durability department.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat.

dwayne mcduffie made a mistake in calculating the moons mass, its actually 81 quintillion tons, batman was wrong.

@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg

Originally posted by ghostman
dwayne mcduffie made a mistake in calculating the moons mass, its actually 81 quintillion tons, batman was wrong.

What numbers did it give on panel though?

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg

in the first one he was the one who discharged the energy...

sigh....just.... sigh

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg
First is an alternate Surfer amped on blackbody.

Superman survived attacks from Void Hound which destroyed ten star systems in one go and ripped apart stars. Originally posted by carver9
What numbers did it give on panel though?
About the same of the moon which killed Surfer!

Originally posted by Delta1938
That slipped my mind. IIRC, only a few grams of mass were converted into energy in the Hiroshima bomb. I'm not gonna do the math, but even going by the mistaken mass of the shadow moon, that much of pure energy would cause a much greater than Moon busting explosion. And made of energy that drains him. If we go by the actualass of the Moon.....

Yep

Originally posted by carver9
What numbers did it give on panel though?

81 quintillion tons. it says the mass of the real moon, which is 81 quintillion tons. try again.

smh.... you try so hard to downplay superman its pathetic

Originally posted by ghostman
in the first one he was the one who discharged the energy...

sigh....just.... sigh

And he survived the detonation. Even though the energy was disharged by him, it doesn't mean that he can not feel the blunt of his attack. Ask Superman. His heat vision pierce his hand.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22332442/9368337.jpg.html

Sigh, just sigh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Anyway, space cheese really isn't that impressive because of real life numbers. It's the hierarchy that matters.

Surfer really can't compete with Superman in durability department.
How's he not right?

He said it took 1.23E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon.

Astronomers say it takes 1.2E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon using the real mass of the moon.

1.23E29 vs. 1.2E29? They're approx the same number.

He accounted for the speed of the moon and added 1.6E26 Joules to 1.2E29 and got 1.29E29 Joules.

1.29E29 Joules to destroy the moving moon <<<<<<<<< 2.2E32 Joules needed to destroy a stationary planet.

Not surprising because it takes 1800x more energy to destroy a planet than a moon according to the astronomy article. The moon moving fast ain't gonna change it by much.

---

PS: Surfer didn't die.

Forget a moon, Surfer was KTFO trying to destroy a spaceship.



http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

The spaceship wasn't even destroyed.

Originally posted by ghostman
81 quintillion tons. it says the mass of the real moon, which is 81 quintillion tons. try again.

smh.... you try so hard to downplay superman its pathetic

In the scan you posted it tells us 81 billion tons.

So we're going to start lowballing now?

You don't think Superman has low feats comparable if not worse than that?

Lol at mass moving not changing by much.

We should tell that to a moving train vs a stationary train.

Or a running foorball player vs a stationary one.

Also lets overlook that it wasn't stopped but completely destroyed

Originally posted by One-Punch
How's he not right?

He said it took 1.23E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon.

Astronomers say it takes 1.2E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon using the real mass of the moon.

1.23E29 vs. 1.2E29? They're approx the same number.

He accounted for the speed of the moon and added 1.6E26 Joules to 1.2E29 and got 1.29E29 Joules.

1.29E29 Joules to destroy the moving moon <<<<<<<<< 2.2E32 Joules needed to destroy a stationary planet.

Not surprising because it takes 1800x more energy to destroy a planet than a moon according to the astronomy article. The moon moving fast ain't gonna change it by much.

---

PS: Surfer didn't die.
Because he is not? At that speed you need to calculate the sheer momentum of the moon and enough power to atomize the entire shadow moon.

He didn't just unravel the moon by releasing enough energy to dissipate the gravitational energy. He completely and utterly atomized the moon to the point it left no traces.

That takes astronomical more power than to just turning it into rubble.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Forget a moon, Surfer was KTFO trying to destroy a spaceship.



http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

The spaceship wasn't even destroyed.



This was an outright terrible showing for Surfer. I have these scans saved. Was he weakened here?

Originally posted by One-Punch
So we're going to start lowballing now?

You don't think Superman has low feats comparable if not worse than that?
We are talking about Superman knocked out by a moving moon as a point to lowball his durability here.

Plus, it was pure energy, which creates a far greater explosion(Hiroshima being just a few grams converted to pure energy) and of energy that drains him.

Also, I'm sure whatever Carter is saying, it's stupid.

Originally posted by carver9
This was an outright terrible showing for Surfer. I have these scans saved. Was he weakened here?

Nope.

Philo:

Your equation is wrong. The brackets are in the wrong place.

It should be 0.5 x mass x velocity squared, not (0.5x mass x velocity) squared.

edit: for all those saying I used the wrong mass, I didn't. Not in my calcs. I used the true moon mass, not 81 billion tons, AND accounted for the speed.

My post said 81 billion, but my calcs didn't use that. I guess you could say I pulled a McDuffie.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Plus, it was pure energy, which creates a far greater explosion(Hiroshima being just a few grams converted to pure energy) and of energy that drains him.

Also, I'm sure whatever Carter is saying, it's stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

Illl take your word for it. Its worse than the moon showing. Far worse.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Philo:

Your equation is wrong. The brackets are in the wrong place.

It should be 0.5 x mass x velocity squared, not (0.5x mass x velocity) squared. What?

(mass * velocity^2)/2 is exactly the same thing with what you typed.

equation/2 is the same thing with 0.5 times equation.
We both squared velocity and multiplied it by mass.
I'm not squaring the entire paranthesis.
Read again.

As for your mistake in calculus earlier in the thread..
I'm gonna have a guess and say that your mistake was letting it at km/s, instead of m/s, which is what velocity is measured at in the formula.

Am I right or am I right?

Yeah, looks like dorksaint used KM/H.

For shame.

My mistake indeed! I DID use 81 billion tons as per Batman in my KE calculations.

Meh, I stand by my numbers. I do not question Bats. Writer interviews are inadmissible.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My mistake indeed! I DID use 81 billion tons as per Batman in my KE calculations.

Meh, I stand by my numbers. I do not question Bats. Writer interviews are inadmissible.
So does the real mass of the moon is 81 billion?

That's a small ass moon considering most mountains weigh more than that.

Damn Darksaint, pull it together man!

You had One-Punch swearing on his life that you were right, and now he's going to have to wipe his chin and crawl away.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So does the real mass of the moon is 81 billion?

That's a small ass moon considering most mountains weigh more than that. He's joking, I'm sure.

Well, here's the thing.

To calculate the energy required to blow the Moon up, I didn't use 81 bilion tons.

I used the real mass.

THAT much, One Punch checked, and THAT'S correct.

When calculating the added energy of the movement, I used 81 billion.

To reconcile Batman's and every other statement, one should read it as Batman CORRECTING someone.

Person A : It has the mass of the real moon
Batman (whilst checking his computer): 81 billion (unsaid: Actually, its 81 billion, idiot).

Ignoring writer statements, of course.

Either way, I am being even handed here.

If carver posted that and used the words and art for Hulk, I'd be all over that.

I am merely doing the same. We have a scan, with numbers, and we go from there. The numbers have been crunched, so now we can argue whether it is > planetary or not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
THAT much, One Punch checked, and THAT'S correct. If by checked you mean blindly agreed, then yes. He's the same guy who then says this:
Originally posted by One-Punch
He accounted for the speed of the moon and added 1.6E26 Joules to 1.2E29 and got 1.29E29 Joules.

1.29E29 Joules to destroy the moving moon <<<<<<<<< 2.2E32 Joules needed to destroy a stationary planet.

Not surprising because it takes 1800x more energy to destroy a planet than a moon according to the astronomy article. The moon moving fast ain't gonna change it by much.

I mean, honestly, how could he type that and not think 'this doesn't sound right, maybe I'm writing something really dumb' as he did? He didn't double-check, he swallowed something that demeaned a Superman feat.

Unfortunately for him, I'm quite good at physics.

Even if you count it as 81 billion tons is a lot because it is 81 billion tons of energy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Either way, I am being even handed here.

If carver posted that and used the words and art for Hulk, I'd be all over that.

I am merely doing the same. We have a scan, with numbers, and we go from there. The numbers have been crunched, so now we can argue whether it is > planetary or not.

You sure would. You've done it before. I'm glad we are on the same team now.

http://orig08.deviantart.net/72b4/f/2012/091/7/b/batman_and_batgirl_by_seane-d4uln57.jpg

I'm Batman by the way.

I'm wondering, what slugfest wins does Surfer have that are worth a damn?

batman was wrong, end of story. you guys swear like hes never been incorrect before.

Originally posted by ghostman
batman was wrong, end of story. you guys swear like hes never been incorrect before.

I only checked his numbers for the energy needed to destroy a stationary moon, which DS did use the right mass for.

Admittedly, I assumed since he used the right mass for that initial calculation, he probably used the same mass for the KE calculation. My assumption was wrong.
Not a huge deal.

I'd rather keep the discourse in here civil and not have things turn toxic with insults and bashing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm wondering, what slugfest wins does Surfer have that are worth a damn?

Vs Lunat!k?

Originally posted by ghostman
batman was wrong, end of story. you guys swear like hes never been incorrect before.

To pull a h1, Batman does not exist.

It was the writer who wrote 81 billion.

We can't just ignore that number, though. I think Hulk having limitless strength is incorrect, but it is what it is.

We have a velocity, 7614000 km/hr or whatever it is...why not say it should be 25,000km/second?

We can't just make numbers up. I did the same with Flash evacuating the Korean city. All statements should be used, unless there is completely no interpretation that enables both to be used.

Besides, if it pacifies all you Superfans, whilst you were all eager to jump on any possible errors of mine (of which there were none, as I used the info I was given), what you didn't see, was that the energy I calculated was the MINIMUM needed to destroy the moon.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I only checked his numbers for the energy needed to destroy a stationary moon, which DS did use the right mass for.

Admittedly, I assumed since he used the right mass for that initial calculation, he probably used the same mass for the KE calculation. My assumption was wrong.
Not a huge deal.

I'd rather keep the discourse in here civil and not have things turn toxic with insults and bashing.

Your checking was fine. My numbers were based on the dialogue in the scan.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm wondering, what slugfest wins does Surfer have that are worth a damn? Skaar, I guess.

Very impressive.

If you're facing Iron Man and not Superman, that is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your checking was fine. My numbers were based on the dialogue in the scan. You do realise that the numbers you used to calculate the energy necessary to destroy a stationary moon are based on real life moon, right? And then you used the number Batman wrongfully stated? So you weren't even consistent.

But are you seriously going to say that DC's moon has a mass of 8 billion? Do you realise how small 8 billion is?

Dude?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your checking was fine. My numbers were based on the dialogue in the scan.

Stop slobbering on Surfer's strap-on ya fanboy!!

True, we should revise my numbers downwards, as 81 billion is less than the real moons mass. Agreed.

Sorry for highballing the feat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, we should revise my numbers downwards, as 81 billion is less than the real moons mass. Agreed.

Sorry for highballing the feat.

I was worried there for a second that you were not joking.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, we should revise my numbers downwards, as 81 billion is less than the real moons mass. Agreed.

Sorry for highballing the feat. http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/boy-charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory-die-die-die-die-expression-Favim.com-235154.gif

sooo, surfer cant even get a 1-2/10?

No is a stomp

Surfer will be 0/10

Wich in 100 matches it becomes 0/100 and so on

Originally posted by One-Punch
I only checked his numbers for the energy needed to destroy a stationary moon, which DS did use the right mass for.

Admittedly, I assumed since he used the right mass for that initial calculation, he probably used the same mass for the KE calculation. My assumption was wrong.
Not a huge deal.

I'd rather keep the discourse in here civil and not have things turn toxic with insults and bashing. Surfer still wins either way so rejoice in Norrin prevailing here. Way more durable than Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Forget a moon, Surfer was KTFO trying to destroy a spaceship.



http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

The spaceship wasn't even destroyed.



No need to mention moons and stuff. Surfer can't even destroy a spaceship.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
No need to mention moons and stuff. Surfer can't even destroy a spaceship.

mmm Quoted yourself in a vain attempt to take away from the fact Surfer wins. Too durable for farmboy.

Speaking of stationery moons, even Supergirl destroyed one and didn't die.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Speaking of stationery moons, even Supergirl destroyed one and didn't die.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

but how can she slap?

Surfer wins.

Originally posted by ghostman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74503/1429269-justice_league_of_america_030_pg_17.jpg

the moon was traveling at a very insane speed. and F=MA, SO THIS FEAT IS WAY ABOVE PLANET BUSTING.

the next time you wanna downplay a feat make sure you actually read the comic and know what youre talking about kid. otherwise this will happen again

Lol, I just mis-remembered the feat that is all. Please don't refer to anyone as a kid..it's weird when people with childlike mentalities do that.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is a good thing you are a "superman fan" otherwise you will sound like a silver surfer fan with a superman avi trying to downplay a feat that is actually pretty good.

Why is every f*cking thing here about "you must be this big a fan to say this" or "you must be a fanboy to say that".

Holy shit guys: no. I just didn't remember all the details of the feat. Which is some shit I've seen pretty much everyone here do at one time or another. Just because you guys love to jerk off to Superman doesn't mean everyone is a fanboy. Nor does it mean you love a character just because you think he can defeat Superman.

Literally every other f*cking post is about who is a god damn fan of who. It's almost making me actually dislike a character I used to love..that is the level of insanity this place has reached. Does it bother you nearly every Superman thread devolves into a jerk off session or have you just come to accept it?

Originally posted by Surtur
Why is every f*cking thing here about "you must be this big a fan to say this" or "you must be a fanboy to say that".

Holy shit guys: no. I just didn't remember all the details of the feat. Which is some shit I've seen pretty much everyone here do at one time or another. Just because you guys love to jerk off to Superman doesn't mean everyone is a fanboy. Nor does it mean you love a character just because you think he can defeat Superman.

Literally every other f*cking post is about who is a god damn fan of who. It's almost making me actually dislike a character I used to love..that is the level of insanity this place has reached. Does it bother you nearly every Superman thread devolves into a jerk off session or have you just come to accept it?
Why is it so hard for you to understand or believe that Superman is not some kind of weakling compared to CBR darlings like Surfer?

You do this "I'm a superman fan but I dislike every feat for him. Stop posting his feats or you'll ruin the character for me." all the time.

It's getting laughable at this point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why is it so hard for you to understand or believe that Superman is not some kind of weakling compared to CBR darlings like Surfer?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that your opinion on this is..just opinion?



Are you legitimately retarded? Yes or no are you legitimately retarded? Since I have never said I dislike every feat for him. Nope, I just don't like people like you with a 12 foot boner for the guy. I don't like people making him out to be some low end cosmic because guess what? He isn't. Getting a feat wrong is one thing, but outright lying is another. Also say things that make sense: if I disliked every Superman feat I'd of never once said he wins any fights here. But see I kind of have had him winning a variety of fights.

I'd say it's getting laughable but the truth is? This type of shit was never funny, just pathetic as all hell. Sort of like you and your CBR hate hard on. I mean I've seen you diss CBR and in the samesentence imply Superman can beat down cosmics and you apparently say that with a straight face.

Or let me put it another way: you? and those of your ilk? Have no real business judging anyone else and sure as hell have no business calling other people fanboys or saying they wank stuff, etc. Pot, kettle, black. It makes no sense every single time you do it.

It tends to be people like you that cause every Superman thread to run for many many many pages.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why is every f*cking thing here about "you must be this big a fan to say this" or "you must be a fanboy to say that".

Holy shit guys: no. I just didn't remember all the details of the feat. Which is some shit I've seen pretty much everyone here do at one time or another. Just because you guys love to jerk off to Superman doesn't mean everyone is a fanboy. Nor does it mean you love a character just because you think he can defeat Superman.

Literally every other f*cking post is about who is a god damn fan of who. It's almost making me actually dislike a character I used to love..that is the level of insanity this place has reached. Does it bother you nearly every Superman thread devolves into a jerk off session or have you just come to accept it?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El


You have to admit I have a point. For some people here if you think a certain character wins it MUST be because you are a fanboy of that character.

It'd be pretty much impossible for you to routinely browse these boards and not be aware of that. I mean some people still think I hate Superman because I've dared to suggest people like Silver Surfer could defeat him. Which in their minds is equivalent to saying Killer Croc or someone could beat Superman.

Originally posted by Surtur
You have to admit I have a point. For some people here if you think a certain character wins it MUST be because you are a fanboy of that character.

It'd be pretty much impossible for you to routinely browse these boards and not be aware of that. I mean some people still think I hate Superman because I've dared to suggest people like Silver Surfer could defeat him. Which in their minds is equivalent to saying Killer Croc or someone could beat Superman.

He's one of the people that called you a fan for not voting for Superman.

Lol oh that's right. I remember I was apparently riding Supermans dick by saying he loses.

Originally posted by Surtur
You have to admit I have a point. For some people here if you think a certain character wins it MUST be because you are a fanboy of that character.

It'd be pretty much impossible for you to routinely browse these boards and not be aware of that. I mean some people still think I hate Superman because I've dared to suggest people like Silver Surfer could defeat him. Which in their minds is equivalent to saying Killer Croc or someone could beat Superman.

It seems you don't like Superman for someone who claims is a superman fan.

You always side with ss for someone who claims to be a superman fan.

I don't have a problem if you say I am a ss fan and then side with ss, but to say I am a superman fan and then always side with ss, seems odd to be honest.

Just my point of view.

Also Carver shut up little coward

Originally posted by Surtur
Why is it so hard for you to understand that your opinion on this is..just opinion?


Which is backed by hundreds of comics? Unlike yours which is backed by whom? Pendaran?

Well, he doesn't needs to be a low end cosmic being to beat puny Surfer. And no need to resort to insults.

And where did I lie?

Which cosmic I've said will lose to Superman?

And I don't hate CBR, I just make fun of it. As every sane person should.

And people like you to lowball him in every thread.

What was the purpose of Superman vs shadow moon BTW? Surfer fared much worse against a moon.

But let me guess, it's PIS for Surfer but isn't for Superman, right?

Or SvFL?

You should get a mod ruling on it so that nobody can use it against Surfer.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It seems you don't like Superman for someone who claims is a superman fan.

You always side with ss for someone who claims to be a superman fan.

I don't have a problem if you say I am a ss fan and then side with ss, but to say I am a superman fan and then always side with ss, seems odd to be honest.

Just my point of view.

Also Carver shut up little coward

But what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me. I am a Superman fan, but I also do not believe he could defeat Silver Surfer. So then wouldn't I be a fanboy if I said Superman could beat him? Since I'd be doing the cliche "he wins because he is Superman" thing.

I don't like or dislike Silver Surfer. I find him stronger then Supes so of course if people continually make threads comparing the two characters I will say Surfer usually wins.

@ surtur

For a superman fan, you should know that SS has the odds against him on this thread.

Just saying

But that implies that because I'm a Superman fan I should automatically know everything about the character he is going up against? Superman is only half the equation here. I also never said Superman would win this specific fight, I merely questioned if they truly had similar durability, but I'd remembered the moon feat wrong.

Originally posted by Surtur
But what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me. I am a Superman fan, but I also do not believe he could defeat Silver Surfer. So then wouldn't I be a fanboy if I said Superman could beat him? Since I'd be doing the cliche "he wins because he is Superman" thing.

I don't like or dislike Silver Surfer. I find him stronger then Supes so of course if people continually make threads comparing the two characters I will say Surfer usually wins.

No he doesn't win because he is superman.

He wins because 50% of his comics have him dealing with weakness eploitation and winning. That should be known by people who read superman comics.

That you might think on power sets, that might be different.

Originally posted by Surtur
But that implies that because I'm a Superman fan I should automatically know everything about the character he is going up against? Superman is only half the equation here. I also never said Superman would win this specific fight, I merely questioned if they truly had similar durability, but I'd remembered the moon feat wrong.

No you should also research and read the character you are debating against

Come on SS history is so easy to follow.

Name a few worth combat showings that will stand up to superman

Originally posted by Surtur
But what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me. I am a Superman fan, but I also do not believe he could defeat Silver Surfer. So then wouldn't I be a fanboy if I said Superman could beat him? Since I'd be doing the cliche "he wins because he is Superman" thing.

I don't like or dislike Silver Surfer. I find him stronger then Supes so of course if people continually make threads comparing the two characters I will say Surfer usually wins.
It's fine if you think Surfer beats Superman. It's your opinion after all.

The problem starts when you start making fun of the very idea that Superman can even challenge Surfer.

Just because you think Surfer is so much powerful than Superman doesn't gives you rights to flip out everytime someone says opposite.

Because you damn well can't prove a single thing you say. No mods to invalid most of Superman showings as PIS or SvFL will do that.

@ surtut

Btw back in the 90's I used to think Surfer will beat Superman and I didn't have a problem with it.

It was until I start reading comics again that I realized that Superman became more powerful and I changed my mind

Surter, give up bro. The 2 people you are debating against been on a roll bashing people who disagree with Superman winning every fight.

It's like talking to a sensitive brick wall.

Or and idiot poster like coward9?

Surfer is not winning a slug fest with superman,that's just not going to happen.I could count how many pure h2h fights he has had,with one hand

Rao and Carver, cut it out. This isn't the first time I've had to say this. Take it to PMs if you want to have your little tiff.

This thread is spite. Superman is a shit ton stronger and probably more durable too.

No, it's not a spite thread.

0/10
0/100
0/1000
0/10000

Seems one sided to me tbh

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
0/10
0/100
0/1000
0/10000

Seems one sided to me tbh

Just because you don't think Surfer would win 1/10 doesn't make it a spite thread.