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Um,aren the vishanti like elder god level beings?

Nabu is an abstract.

He stomps effortlessly.

Nabu

Oh,I thought he was like the anime version...he is a lord of order right?

Vishanti. Each of them should be able to solo Nabu.
Combined as one being, it becomes a slaughter.

What has nabu done?,how strong is he?

The Vishanti r on a different level.

Agamotto was able to stalemate Galactus, even though it was in his own dimension, it gives an idea of the power available to him.

Oshtur is the "good" version of Cthon, with the same amount of power. And anybody not familiar with him should look him up.

Hoggoth is actually an "Old One" who switched sides. His membership includes others like Cthulhu and Hastur.

Originally posted by Genii96
What has nabu done?,how strong is he?

Fought the Spectre. Nabu has this.

All I know is the Vishanti are infinitely cooler than Nabu.

Cool, fairly even responses. Always a plus.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The Vishanti r on a different level.

Agamotto was able to stalemate Galactus, even though it was in his own dimension, it gives an idea of the power available to him.

Oshtur is the "good" version of Cthon, with the same amount of power. And anybody not familiar with him should look him up.

Hoggoth is actually an "Old One" who switched sides. His membership includes others like Cthulhu and Hastur.
Yes, they are on a smaller level. Originally posted by Genii96
What has nabu done?,how strong is he?

And Nabu is "The most powerful Lord of Order". Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".

http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg

Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.

http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg

All of this while dimin

http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg

A random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order destroyed entire creation.

http://imgur.com/C3Ohg8F
http://imgur.com/8NL9bY2
http://imgur.com/YRvl6FK
http://imgur.com/K6zhQVr
http://imgur.com/7rQrAeY

Chaos and Order had created Creation from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/fqW5ZzZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cAoEzr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zAJVUTB.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, they are on a smaller level.

And Nabu is "The most powerful Lord of Order". Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".

http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg

Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.

http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg

All of this while dimin

http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg

A random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order destroyed entire creation.

http://imgur.com/C3Ohg8F
http://imgur.com/8NL9bY2
http://imgur.com/YRvl6FK
http://imgur.com/K6zhQVr
http://imgur.com/7rQrAeY

Chaos and Order had created Creation from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/fqW5ZzZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cAoEzr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zAJVUTB.jpg

It wasnt really the power of the Lords of Order that Andrew Bennet used but an artifact from a hindu temple said to be connected to the almighty (presence, though that name was never envoked in the story).

This does however speak even more to the power and knowledge of Nabu. In the stories that lead into that one it was made clear that Nabu was the only LOO or Chaos who knew the higher power and his plans and was working to protect those plans. It was stated that because unlike the other Lords he had take the limited form or a mortal his humility made him aware. Guess that's why Nabu is the "wise" one of the LOO.

I always saw the idea of the LOO and LOC being the source of creation as the string that ties all contradictory creation myths together. After all the ancient gods were supposed to be the LOO&C appearing to man (greek, egypt etc with greek given real form by the greek worship when the lords gave up the form hense the need for them to create the Amazons to worship them). Given that the "love" also caused an energy wave it covers off the 4th world god wave.

Hmm. Thanks, BB.

Vishanti are a multiversal force, each member has power enough to wipe out a universe, call the LT at their whim and Oshtur alone has the power to control all realities in the multiverse.
Agamotto's talismans alone, have been able to counter infinity gems.
Hoggoth is kin to Shuma Gorath, Oshtur is the equal of Chthon. With just a fraction of Chthon's power, Scarlet Witch altered the multiverse on all planes.
And this stuff is just off the top of my head.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, they are on a smaller level.

And Nabu is "The most powerful Lord of Order". Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".

http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg

Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.

http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg

All of this while dimin

http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg

A random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order destroyed entire creation.

http://imgur.com/C3Ohg8F
http://imgur.com/8NL9bY2
http://imgur.com/YRvl6FK
http://imgur.com/K6zhQVr
http://imgur.com/7rQrAeY

Chaos and Order had created Creation from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/fqW5ZzZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cAoEzr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zAJVUTB.jpg iirc, Spectre had to absorb power from "everywhere", just to beat Nabu in DoV. This was such a violation of creation's proverbial 'ebb and flow', that even the Presence took notice and stuffed Spectre back into a host(which was Nabu's plan from the onset.)

That's really quite something when you think about it... Mucking with things to such an extent that the Presence itself was forced to directly intervene, I mean. Pretty crazy it required that much power to overcome Nabu, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
iirc, Spectre had to absorb power from "everywhere", just to beat Nabu in DoV. This was such a violation of creation's proverbial 'ebb and flow', that even the Presence took notice and stuffed Spectre back into a host(which was Nabu's plan from the onset.)

That's really quite something when you think about it... Mucking with things to such an extent that the Presence itself was forced to directly intervene, I mean. Pretty crazy it required that much power to overcome Nabu, imo.

Yeah, that was nuts. And in that arc Spectre was straight up beating the shit out of everyone and killed every single Lord of Order casually.

But one of the Vishanti looks like a magical tiger. It's impossible for a magic tiger to lose. Well unless the magic tiger is fighting a magic polar bear.

Originally posted by Surtur
But one of the Vishanti looks like a magical tiger. It's impossible for a magic tiger to lose. Well unless the magic tiger is fighting a magic polar bear.
Also, Aggamato, the Tiger aspect, is the one that created and owns the "Eye" Dr. Strange has in his amulet. So the Eye of Aggamato is the Eye of the Tiger. I don't have to tell you what that means!

Haha

Originally posted by Galan007
iirc, Spectre had to absorb power from "everywhere", just to beat Nabu in DoV. This was such a violation of creation's proverbial 'ebb and flow', that even the Presence took notice and stuffed Spectre back into a host(which was Nabu's plan from the onset.)

That's really quite something when you think about it... Mucking with things to such an extent that the Presence itself was forced to directly intervene, I mean. Pretty crazy it required that much power to overcome Nabu, imo.

Very impressive.

Three-on-one isn't fair.

Vishanti stomp.

No, they wouldn't.

Nabu beats them casually.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they wouldn't.

Nabu beats them casually. that's a ridiculous statement. The attributes of the vishanti have been shown and noted in the books for decades. They protect all dimensions throughout the multiverse, governing all things magic.
They have the power to end universes, or to simply call the Living Tribunal to act on their judgement. They keep Elder Gods, Old Ones and Abstracts in line.

But, I'll tell ya what. If u feel like just ignoring all the fluff and feats of the Vishanti, and simply decide that the words printed in the DC books containing Nabu, are somehow more credible than the print in the Marvel books, that's fine with me.

As a matter of fact, I'm on YOUR side now! Im gonna contact the mods and request that, from now on, members who r engaged in debates, can simply decide that all info being presented by their opponents, simply doesnt count.

I really think u r onto something here! Think about it... Nobody ever has to lose again!

As a matter of fact, i have just decided that Nabu never battled the Spectre at all. See?? Now, i win too! This is great!!

Well, i will check back to see how this all works out.

Go get 'em!!

The Lords and Order were the ones who created the multiverse, too.

Originally posted by Horrificus
that's a ridiculous statement. The attributes of the vishanti have been shown and noted in the books for decades. They protect all dimensions throughout the multiverse, governing all things magic.
They have the power to end universes, or to simply call the Living Tribunal to act on their judgement. They keep Elder Gods, Old Ones and Abstracts in line.



Uh, what? When did they ever destroyed universes?

Lord Chaos and Master Order govern magic throughout universe. Not Vishanti.

What evidence have you provided? Your words?

Post feats of Vishanti if you are so upset with them losing.

Otherwise this is just a waste of time.

No, entertaining your hyperbole is a waste of time.
Its one thing to say one character wins, its another to tack on a deliberately bait-ish qualifier to provoke responses you can then turn into an argument.

Originally posted by Horrificus
that's a ridiculous statement. The attributes of the vishanti have been shown and noted in the books for decades. They protect all dimensions throughout the multiverse, governing all things magic.
They have the power to end universes, or to simply call the Living Tribunal to act on their judgement. They keep Elder Gods, Old Ones and Abstracts in line.

But, I'll tell ya what. If u feel like just ignoring all the fluff and feats of the Vishanti, and simply decide that the words printed in the DC books containing Nabu, are somehow more credible than the print in the Marvel books, that's fine with me.

As a matter of fact, I'm on YOUR side now! Im gonna contact the mods and request that, from now on, members who r engaged in debates, can simply decide that all info being presented by their opponents, simply doesnt count.

I really think u r onto something here! Think about it... Nobody ever has to lose again!

As a matter of fact, i have just decided that Nabu never battled the Spectre at all. See?? Now, i win too! This is great!!

Well, i will check back to see how this all works out.

Go get 'em!!



You havent provided any "info" for anyone to dispute. Your statements are innacurate and unsupported by feats. The vishanti don't have any feats to support the most of what you've presented. In fact in almost every single appearance they have made we have seen them do no more than consult with a mystic or try to engage their help. On two occasions weve seen reference to their past explots mostly off panel. Conversely the Lords of Order AND Chos aligned to turn Nabu I to a lord of chaos exactly to prevent him from destroting the universe.

Let's not forget that Kismet was considered a Lord of Order, yet Nabu was stated to be the most powerful one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, what? When did they ever destroyed universes?

Lord Chaos and Master Order govern magic throughout universe. Not Vishanti.

What evidence have you provided? Your words?

Post feats of Vishanti if you are so upset with them losing.

Otherwise this is just a waste of time. dude, u should know better than that. The Vishanti is not one if my fan-favs and i dont really care who wins.

I simply laid out all the feats, statements and narrations for each opponent and dug in. Some of the info was to be taken at face value and some took some crossreferrencing and comparisons against former allies/foes.

In the end, the info for the Vishanti, whether proven or simply stated in the books, spoke of them being capable of higher end feats and swimming with higher level fish in a much vaster pond, with a lot more history, as well as interaction with more characters, character types and story influence.

But, for me, this isn't a fan-fueled debate. Hell abi, u have spent more time in here than i have. U probably know all of the stuff i posted better than i do.

Who wins? --yawn--... Doesn't matter to me. Im just pointing out the way the scales are tipping. U guys do whacha want. Look it up. Or not.

Originally posted by beatboks
You havent provided any "info" for anyone to dispute. Your statements are innacurate and unsupported by feats. The vishanti don't have any feats to support the most of what you've presented. In fact in almost every single appearance they have made we have seen them do no more than consult with a mystic or try to engage their help. On two occasions weve seen reference to their past explots mostly off panel. Conversely the Lords of Order AND Chos aligned to turn Nabu I to a lord of chaos exactly to prevent him from destroting the universe. the same can be said for the majority of LT appearances, as well as Oblivion, Infinity and, up until the last decade, the Celestials usually just showed up in books to add an "awe-factor", without any action.

As i said before, whatever.

Whenever I see or hear the word "whatever" I think of that "United States of Whatever" song. As such you've devalued your argument by referencing that song.

Whatever, bran. srsly

Originally posted by Horrificus
dude, u should know better than that. The Vishanti is not one if my fan-favs and i dont really care who wins.

I simply laid out all the feats, statements and narrations for each opponent and dug in. Some of the info was to be taken at face value and some took some crossreferrencing and comparisons against former allies/foes.

In the end, the info for the Vishanti, whether proven or simply stated in the books, spoke of them being capable of higher end feats and swimming with higher level fish in a much vaster pond, with a lot more history, as well as interaction with more characters, character types and story influence.

But, for me, this isn't a fan-fueled debate. Hell abi, u have spent more time in here than i have. U probably know all of the stuff i posted better than i do.

Who wins? --yawn--... Doesn't matter to me. Im just pointing out the way the scales are tipping. U guys do whacha want. Look it up. Or not.
So you wouldn't post any feats and just want me to take on your words?

Yeah, whatever.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Whenever I see or hear the word "whatever" I think of that "United States of Whatever" song. As such you've devalued your argument by referencing that song. my argument had a value!? shock

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you wouldn't post any feats and just want me to take on your words?

Yeah, whatever. no, no, no. Yer right. I'm a lazy debater. I admit it. I hoped i wouldnt have to do any actual leg-work.
Yer a pain. But, i will slap some crap into a couple posts when i get a minute. No problem.

^^^It wont matter.

Anyhow, i personally wasnt sure how this would go.
Also, i thought Kismet was like the InBetweener, not Eternity, so thsts something new to know.

So, in the mean time, let's clear something up.
I am reading that a lot of the power Nabu will need to defeat the Vishanti. Is that correct?

Because, using those terms, the Vishanti simply summons the LT to do their bidding and they win that way.

And this exactly what would happen if the Vishanti were entering battle, since it has already been stated that they would destroy the universe if they release their power in combat. On panel.

Originally posted by Horrificus
So, in the mean time, let's clear something up.
I am reading that a lot of the power Nabu will need to defeat the Vishanti. Is that correct?

Because, using those terms, the Vishanti simply summons the LT to do their bidding and they win that way.

And this exactly what would happen if the Vishanti were entering battle, since it has already been stated that they would destroy the universe if they release their power in combat. On panel.
Is this thread LT vs Nabu?

Ha, odd question from you.

Wasn't it the Vishanti that fought Galactus? Or at least one of them did I think.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wasn't it the Vishanti that fought Galactus? Or at least one of them did I think. Agamotto fought Galactus. Galactus was unable to harm Agamotto and as soon as Agamotto became bloodlusted, Oshtur and Hoggoth stopped him, and there was genuine concern for the welfare of Galactus.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Agamotto fought Galactus. Galactus was unable to harm Agamotto and as soon as Agamotto became bloodlusted, Oshtur and Hoggoth stopped him, and there was genuine concern for the welfare of Galactus.
Yea,let's not add our own views to that fight. Galactus destroyed agamoto several times,but agamoto couldn't be killed thatt way inside his universe,and so just reformed,hoggoth and oshtur only intervened cuz theur fight was tearing apart other dimensions(universes) including their own.

Well then in their own dimensions I'd say they should win, but since that isn't where the fight takes place then I suppose Nabu should win.

Originally posted by Genii96
Yea,let's not add our own views to that fight. Galactus destroyed agamoto several times,but agamoto couldn't be killed thatt way inside his universe,and so just reformed,hoggoth and oshtur only intervened cuz theur fight was tearing apart other dimensions(universes) including their own. that's a BOLD statement!

u r the first person that i have ever seen lowball Agamotto in that fight. But kudos to u for stating that his battle was tearing apart other dimensions. Quite a feat, i would say. And, Agamotto is arguably the weakest of the 3.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well then in their own dimensions I'd say they should win, but since that isn't where the fight takes place then I suppose Nabu should win. obviously Agamotto's power is not limited to his dimension.
And he hadnt even been .serious" until the end.

High-End

Wow, okay that was really interesting.

Originally posted by Horrificus
obviously Agamotto's power is not limited to his dimension.
And he hadnt even been .serious" until the end.

High-End

His powers are not limited to his dimension, but it's actually a common theme in Marvel where really powerful entities tend to be at their strongest in their own realms. Mephisto is also an example of this.

Originally posted by Surtur
His powers are not limited to his dimension, but it's actually a common theme in Marvel where really powerful entities tend to be at their strongest in their own realms. Mephisto is also an example of this. true. There arent many of these mystic, dimension-owning characters that dont have that restraint imposed upon them.

Yeah, that always gives the good guys an advantage, AND a handicap when they beard the lion.

Nabu would own Galactus like a child, so there is nothing remarkable about that fight.

Originally posted by riv6672
...a deliberately bait-ish qualifier to provoke responses you can then turn into an argument.

Haha

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nabu would own Galactus like a child, so there is nothing remarkable about that fight. maybe he would, maybe he wouldnt.
The important points are that-

1. Agamotto DID toy with Galactus like a child, until Galactus did something to change Agamotto's stance, deciding to destroy Galactus. Which was immediately halted by the other members of the Vishanti.

2. Agamotto was able to do this, as well as pulverizing other dimensions during a battle he wasn't taking seriously, and he is the weakest of the 3.

3. This isn't an opinion. It all happened on panel.

Originally posted by Horrificus
maybe he would, maybe he wouldnt.
The important points are that-

1. Agamotto DID toy with Galactus like a child, until Galactus did something to change Agamotto's stance, deciding to destroy Galactus. Which was immediately halted by the other members of the Vishanti.

2. Agamotto was able to do this, as well as pulverizing other dimensions during a battle he wasn't taking seriously, and he is the weakest of the 3.

3. This isn't an opinion. It all happened on panel.
He didn't toy with Galactus. Galactus thought he was fighting just a worm but as Agamotto wasn't a physical being he couldn't be beaten that way.

Mind you, a solar system destroying blast vaporized Galactus in the previous issue.

'Nabu own galactus like a child' pathetic,is there any thread you don't lowball silver surfer or galactus?

Originally posted by Genii96
'Nabu own galactus like a child' pathetic,is there any thread you don't lowball silver surfer or galactus?
Its not lowballing. Nabu is on a different level of power. What you think of Galactus is irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, they are on a smaller level.

And Nabu is "The most powerful Lord of Order". Even after being weakened he beat Typhon with the power of every lord of order and chaos and was endangering "all reality" and "entire creation".

http://i.imgur.com/IdxHSXp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GrKfdwR.jpg

Lords of Order flat out said that he nearly wrought destruction of entire creation.

http://i.imgur.com/tnoSo7a.jpg

All of this while dimin

http://i.imgur.com/bO4emrv.jpg

A random vampire with a fraction of power of Lords of Order destroyed entire creation.

http://imgur.com/C3Ohg8F
http://imgur.com/8NL9bY2
http://imgur.com/YRvl6FK
http://imgur.com/K6zhQVr
http://imgur.com/7rQrAeY

Chaos and Order had created Creation from scratch.

http://i.imgur.com/fqW5ZzZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0cAoEzr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zAJVUTB.jpg

That kooky Nabu.

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah, that always gives the good guys an advantage, AND a handicap when they beard the lion.
Wasn't agamotto on his way to merging 616 dimension with the light dimension in new avengers? He was depowered there too

The vishanti Will be too much for Nabu to handle, not taken away from Nabu but you got three of the most powerful magical beings on the light side, one of them is shuma gorath counter part, the other created the astral plane and the other cretesd artifacts to counter act dark hold chaos magic

tbh there are too few showings of the vishanti to make any real predictions about the outcome here. we know they are multiversal level entities and that just one of them was enough to give galactus pause. how that fight would have ended, is anyone's guess. my own guess--it would have ended much the same way the mephisto fight ended, with galactus devouring his home world and likely consuming him in the bargain. i don't think g was more powerful--at least not at the level he was at. but that doesn't mean he couldn't have consumed the dimension as easily as he was consuming hell.

to the thread--could all 3 beat nabu? maybe. we're talking about 3 beings all of whom are at LEAST as powerful as galactus. it's a very difficult call imo, because there is so little known about the vishanti, especially in combat-type situations. i know as collateral damage with their battle with slorioth, the entire universe was in danger. on the downside they were sort of the enemy of shuma, who....really hasn't been seen in the most powerful light lately. in the past though, he was considered pretty beastly.

bottomline--no one can say with any authority how this would go down. for my part, i think it would be pretty damn close if both are taken at their best.

Thank you very much.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh there are too few showings of the vishanti to make any real predictions about the outcome here. we know they are multiversal level entities and that just one of them was enough to give galactus pause. how that fight would have ended, is anyone's guess. my own guess--it would have ended much the same way the mephisto fight ended, with galactus devouring his home world and likely consuming him in the bargain. i don't think g was more powerful--at least not at the level he was at. but that doesn't mean he couldn't have consumed the dimension as easily as he was consuming hell.

to the thread--could all 3 beat nabu? maybe. we're talking about 3 beings all of whom are at LEAST as powerful as galactus. it's a very difficult call imo, because there is so little known about the vishanti, especially in combat-type situations. i know as collateral damage with their battle with slorioth, the entire universe was in danger. on the downside they were sort of the enemy of shuma, who....really hasn't been seen in the most powerful light lately. in the past though, he was considered pretty beastly.

bottomline--no one can say with any authority how this would go down. for my part, i think it would be pretty damn close if both are taken at their best. that's a good call. I do know that there have been a few more feats and statements that might tip the scales in the favor of the vishanti. But i have been having a hard time digging up the scans that cover books that are scattered over decades.
But that's how it goes. For now, this is where we're at.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh there are too few showings of the vishanti to make any real predictions about the outcome here. we know they are multiversal level entities and that just one of them was enough to give galactus pause. how that fight would have ended, is anyone's guess. my own guess--it would have ended much the same way the mephisto fight ended, with galactus devouring his home world and likely consuming him in the bargain. i don't think g was more powerful--at least not at the level he was at. but that doesn't mean he couldn't have consumed the dimension as easily as he was consuming hell.

to the thread--could all 3 beat nabu? maybe. we're talking about 3 beings all of whom are at LEAST as powerful as galactus. it's a very difficult call imo, because there is so little known about the vishanti, especially in combat-type situations. i know as collateral damage with their battle with slorioth, the entire universe was in danger. on the downside they were sort of the enemy of shuma, who....really hasn't been seen in the most powerful light lately. in the past though, he was considered pretty beastly.

bottomline--no one can say with any authority how this would go down. for my part, i think it would be pretty damn close if both are taken at their best.

This is the fairest take. Nabu has some really bigh end showings that would definitely put him above one or two of the vishanti. He also has some kow ones, though EVERY SINGLE one is of him i a mortal host body that we know restricts his power substantially.

Yeah, that guy gets it.