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I'm just glad this time the gun was pointed at someone who deserved it. Thank god this family had this gun...otherwise they'd of most likely ended up dead.

Just goes to show in the right situation a gun can definitely help.

Why do they have the thug in a bullet proof vest?

We gots to protect our thugs! But good news? He wasn't wearing it when it counted

I didn't read the article, but did he get shot, because if he did, he looks like he is doing well for being shot and having his face put in the dirt.

That is an older picture of when he was taken to jail. He escaped and took this family hostage. The family shot and killed him.

Good, one less thug/murderer

Yep and the family most definitely would be dead and this guy living in their house or something if they didn't happen to own a gun.

Of coarse, the people on the left would rather the police have been called.

We need more guns and brave people like these family members who won't hesitate to use them.

Feels kind of nice to see such strong support for personal freedom in this forum.

It just feels nice to have the media actually reporting on a situation where a gun helped. It usually doesn't fit the narrative they want to tell.

Ah that's good, a legally obtained handgun protects this family, liberal gun arguments are proven right again.

I have to wonder though if some people will still find reason to complain. Since if you read the article..the wife got the gun and shot the guy. Then she released her husband who had been tied up..and then the hubby took the gun and pumped even more bullets into the guy and killed him.

Which honestly I have zero problem with.

One less scumbag on the streets.

Originally posted by Surtur
I have to wonder though if some people will still find reason to complain. Since if you read the article..the wife got the gun and shot the guy. Then she released her husband who had been tied up..and then the hubby took the gun and pumped even more bullets into the guy and killed him.

Which honestly I have zero problem with.

That's for the courts to decide if it even goes to trial which I doubt, but the criminal had already stabbed the husband so fearing for his life and the life of his family is within reason. I can't see the police and DA pursuing excessive use of force against the husband.

Someone should email this story to Hilary. I know how she loves her email.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ah that's good, a legally obtained handgun protects this family, liberal gun arguments are proven right again.

All it really shows is..and I know this might shock people, but all it shows is that guns are not sentient and what matters is the person holding them. In the wrong hands they can kill innocents and in the right hands? They can kill people who deserve it and save the lives of you and your family.

Sort of like in the same way a school shooting doesn't automatically show all guns are evil.

Originally posted by Surtur
All it really shows is..and I know this might shock people, but all it shows is that guns are not sentient and what matters is the person holding them. In the wrong hands they can kill innocents and in the right hands? They can kill people who deserve it and save the lives of you and your family.

Sort of like in the same way a school shooting doesn't automatically show all guns are evil.

Yeah, that's why there should be extensive regulation to keep legal arms out of unqualified or malicious people's hands. And particularly dangerous weapons out of private use.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that's why there should be extensive regulation to keep legal arms out of unqualified or malicious people's hands. And particularly dangerous weapons out of private use.

And if the person who killed the fugitive one day has a mental breakdown and shoots him family to death?

It's not easy to be a crook in Mississippi because we're all packing.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that's why there should be extensive regulation to keep legal arms out of unqualified or malicious people's hands. And particularly dangerous weapons out of private use.

Well yes they do need to do that. I'm still not clear on why some states don't.

I would have just broken his neck with my bare hands.

Lol at needing a gun to kill someone.

Lol at this liberal bashing thread. The people in this thread are acting like liberals want a 100% ban on anything that fires a bullet. That's complete bullshit. There's nothing wrong with having a gun for self defense. It's just that there's no need for a civilian to be carrying around military grade small arms. That's what gun control is about. Or maybe you enjoy mass shootings via assault rifles.

Shame on you Surtur. I know you are a conservative, but I expected better than liberal smear threads like this. This is something I'd expect from TI or Raisen, but you seemed like you were smarter than them.

Only women need guns, because they're the only ones too weak to protect themselves.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol at this liberal bashing thread. The people in this thread are acting like liberals want a 100% ban on anything that fires a bullet. That's complete bullshit. There's nothing wrong with having a gun for self defense. It's just that there's no need for a civilian to be carrying around military grade small arms. That's what gun control is about. Or maybe you enjoy mass shootings via assault rifles.

Shame on you Surtur. I know you are a conservative, but I expected better than liberal smear threads like this. This is something I'd expect from TI or Raisen, but you seemed like you were smarter than them.

So its ok for the police to carry around military grade weapons?

Nope.

Oh but they have them. So why can't we?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol at this liberal bashing thread. The people in this thread are acting like liberals want a 100% ban on anything that fires a bullet. That's complete bullshit. There's nothing wrong with having a gun for self defense. It's just that there's no need for a civilian to be carrying around military grade small arms. That's what gun control is about. Or maybe you enjoy mass shootings via assault rifles.

Shame on you Surtur. I know you are a conservative, but I expected better than liberal smear threads like this. This is something I'd expect from TI or Raisen, but you seemed like you were smarter than them.

Except who was I smearing? I merely pointed out this was a situation where a gun helped. I never even mentioned liberals or that they want a 100% ban on guns.

All I said was that it depends on who wields the gun when it comes to danger with guns. Pointing this stuff out doesn't equate to me bashing anything.

Lestov like many liberals believe in a all powerful central government, but what they can't grasp is that fact that the larger you make government the larger the government has to increase its police force and power. You cannot separate the cause from effect, larger far reaching government means more regulations, which means more law enforcement to make sure those regulations and laws are followed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Except who was I smearing? I merely pointed out this was a situation where a gun helped. I never even mentioned liberals or that they want a 100% ban on guns.

All I said was that it depends on who wields the gun when it comes to danger with guns. Pointing this stuff out doesn't equate to me bashing anything.
Originally posted by Surtur
It just feels nice to have the media actually reporting on a situation where a gun helped. It usually doesn't fit the narrative they want to tell.

And who exactly do you believe is pushing this narrative and why?

The Patriot Act was a move by the "liberals". Oh wait.

Nice changing the subject to terrorism, classic libtard

Originally posted by Lestov16
And who exactly do you believe is pushing this narrative and why?

That's not a smear though it is a fact. The media pushes the narrative of course. I felt this was obvious that I was talking about the fact that negative incidents with guns make the news far more often. As for why they do it? Who knows. Ratings? Or they naively believe they are helping?

I also am not a conservative or a liberal. Both sides have things I agree or disagree with.

Originally posted by Surtur
That's not a smear though it is a fact. The media pushes the narrative of course. I felt this was obvious that I was talking about the fact that negative incidents with guns make the news far more often. As for why they do it? Who knows. Ratings? Or they naively believe they are helping?

I also am not a conservative or a liberal. Both sides have things I agree or disagree with.

Perhaps there are vastly more negative instances with guns than positive ones?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Perhaps there are vastly more negative instances with guns than positive ones?

Or they just don't want to talk about it as much. I suppose I can somewhat understand..people usually don't want stories with a happy ending.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Nice changing the subject to terrorism, classic libtard

You're the one that brought the topic of 'big government' into the thread.

Who said I support the patriot act?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lestov like many liberals believe in a all powerful central government, but what they can't grasp is that fact that the larger you make government the larger the government has to increase its police force and power. You cannot separate the cause from effect, larger far reaching government means more regulations, which means more law enforcement to make sure those regulations and laws are followed.

So you're against law enforcement.....unless they're assaulting/killing minorities, then it's fine. Oregon redneck gets killed, the cops are oppressive, but black people get killed for selling cigarettes and hey, cops gotta protect themselves. Sorry if I seem assertive, it's just your stance on law enforcement and how well they should be armed seems to constantly shift depending on the circumstances.

Interesting you apply the same sweeping generalizations of the police force but can't apply those to islam.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who said I support the patriot act?

You posed a narrative that liberals love big government.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh but they have them. So why can't we?
Police shouldn't have them and neither should we. Let's leave it at that.

Originally posted by Robtard
You posed a narrative that liberals love big government.

And guess who renewed the patriot act?

Yours Truly

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/243850-obama-signs-nsa-bill-renewing-patriot-act-powers

Thanks Obama.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Interesting you apply the same sweeping generalizations of the police force but can't apply those to islam.

Interesting that you've ignored my various posts condemning the human rights abuses of Saudi Arab, Iran, and other Muslim countries. Goes along with your common pattern of willful ignorance to feed your confirmation bias.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lestov like many liberals believe in a all powerful central government, but what they can't grasp is that fact that the larger you make government the larger the government has to increase its police force and power. You cannot separate the cause from effect, larger far reaching government means more regulations, which means more law enforcement to make sure those regulations and laws are followed.

Hilarious how FOX, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, and the other right wing propaganda proselytizers have you brainwashed that wanting regulations on business to prevent labor exploitation/discrimination, wanting egalitarian marriage rights for LGBT, and restrictions on letting civilians wield military grade small arms is somehow wanting an "all powerful government".

Hilarious that a guy who supports Trump, who has outright threatened the Speaker of the House and supports universal healthcare and social security, is complaining about an unconstitutional all powerful socialist government.

You say you don't want more powerful law enforcement but I'm pretty sure that if Trump said he'd need extra police force and manpower to perpetrate his ethnic cleansing of Mexicans and Muslims, or put down another black riot,, you'd be unquestionably onboard. Just another example of right wing hypocrisy.

Also, why do you oppose the Patriot Act? How can someone who supports Trump's cleansing of Muslims oppose the Patriot Act? If anything, shouldn't you be thanking Obama? Extending the Patriot act seems like something you would support. Just some more of that right wing hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And guess who renewed the patriot act?

Yours Truly

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/243850-obama-signs-nsa-bill-renewing-patriot-act-powers

Thanks Obama.

Yeah, partial segments were reinstated, didn't make me happy. But with the house and senate massive approval, he didn't have much choice.

HAHAHAHAHA Obama not having much choice, you are just down right pathetic with that statement. Who has ever once in 8 years told Obama what to do?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol at this liberal bashing thread. The people in this thread are acting like liberals want a 100% ban on anything that fires a bullet. That's complete bullshit. There's nothing wrong with having a gun for self defense. It's just that there's no need for a civilian to be carrying around military grade small arms. That's what gun control is about. Or maybe you enjoy mass shootings via assault rifles.

Shame on you Surtur. I know you are a conservative, but I expected better than liberal smear threads like this. This is something I'd expect from TI or Raisen, but you seemed like you were smarter than them.

This is why you can't argue with libs. They are takers, weak, and racist.

He consideres any black moderate to be equal to glen beck or alex jones.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you're against law enforcement.....unless they're assaulting/killing minorities, then it's fine. Oregon redneck gets killed, the cops are oppressive, but black people get killed for selling cigarettes and hey, cops gotta protect themselves. Sorry if I seem assertive, it's just your stance on law enforcement and how well they should be armed seems to constantly shift depending on the circumstances.

OH the racism. Oh innocent Mike brown and Eric garner etc. Who were all resisting and ****ing fighting back. Your martyrs need to learn how to behave and not resist police. It's ****ing stupid. I like how you used a racist term like redneck. Good job lestov

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He consideres any black moderate to be equal to glen beck or alex jones.

I'm sure he's called Ben Carson an uncle Tom too. Screw this dude.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
HAHAHAHAHA Obama not having much choice, you are just down right pathetic with that statement. Who has ever once in 8 years told Obama what to do?

You really need to understand how the government works. The US president isn't a monarch with unregulated power and reach.

Oregon redneck shouldn't have resisted police either

Originally posted by Lestov16
Oregon redneck shouldn't have resisted police either

Nope. He shouldn't. You just want to turn it into race so you can feel like a victim and blame all your shortcomings on an invisible force. Sad and pathetic. Most prefer to be a man and take responsibility.

Love the willful ignorance and confirmation bias of you right wingers. Its been stated HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS of times that the Ferguson protests were the culmination of years of proven racial discrimination by the police department which the protests successfully exposed and is now under DOJ investigation, and that the looters and rioters were not part of the protests and were even opposed by protestors.

But I suppose you think the years of police corruption in the Ferguson PD was ok. Typical ignorant right winger

Lol. Liberal blaming again. Lestov, what is the highest education you have received. What other countries have you been to.

He just finished high school and has never left the US. He has never had a job, or paid taxes or done much of anything more then criticize police, veterans and working white men.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He just finished high school and has never left the US. He has never had a job, or paid taxes or done much of anything more then criticize police, veterans and working white men.

You serious? Veterans are the reason he is allowed to spout his ignorant mouth off. Jesus, I wonder if he will man up and admit how much government assistance he receives or plans to receive for school etc

Actually His family is on government assistance.

Kind of sad that with such an unfulfilled life, I'm still more intelligent than the both of you. Also your ad hominem attacks about my personal life to divert from your own ignorance on the subject at hand is rather pathetic.

Odd how despite my supposed inexperience in life, I'm not the one sneaking around on a sock account because of getting permabanned due to immaturity, Supra

Also, I might need to stay with my disabled mom to provide her nursing assistance, but at least I'm not retarded enough to think The New York Times and NPR are untrustworthy news sources

So go on with your right wing circle jerk. It's why you guys are phucked in November and you know it. Until then, continue with your willful ignorance, confirmation bias, ad hominem attacks, and hypocrisy. It's all the right wing is good at.

Well that and sneaking around on sock accounts.....

Everyone knows Im Supra, including all the Mods, so who is sneaking? clearly you are not extreamly butthurt because I called you out for your hypocrisy.

Go back and look at my Supra account, the person who Banned me, which was backfire admitted he should not have banned me, so lol at your attempt to try and use this as a way to get me in trouble.

NPR is funded by left winged government money.

Wow. You were telling the truth time. This lestov is disgusting moocher. I wonder if he's volunteer to do anything for the poor or he just whines and feels sorry for being ignorant and failing at life.
I've built houses for habitat for humanity.
I still volunteer at the animal shelter and also serve food for the homeless.
Donate regularly to st. Jude children hospital.

I bet he is just a hateful pathetic whiner

Lestov has never done anything for anyone, he has never been anywhere, he has never even had a job, and his school is being paid for by the government.

STFU with your ad hominem attacks, confirmation bias loving jackass. Anybody who calls TNYT and NPR untrustworthy should be looked down upon by prostitutes and crack addicts.

He needs to go to a different country and learn he won't get paid to hitch about the country that is supporting his pathetic ass.

Originally posted by Lestov16
STFU with your ad hominem attacks, confirmation bias loving jackass. Anybody who calls TNYT and NPR untrustworthy should be looked down upon by prostitutes and crack addicts.

Wow you are sucking up the media lies?

NPR

Why Liberals Love (and Trust) NPR
http://prospect.org/article/why-liberals-love-and-trust-npr

Controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR_controversies

NYT Lies

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/ these_are_lies_the_new_york_times_wants_you_to_bel
ieve_about_russia/

More Lies of NYT

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/ the_jfk_assassination_we_still_dont_know_what_happ
ened/

Originally posted by Raisen
He needs to go to a different country and learn he won't get paid to hitch about the country that is supporting his pathetic ass.

Are you a veteran? Just curious, because I'm noticing a trend with military veterans on KMC...

Just let it go time. The Democrats bought him already. Things never change. Free, free,free. Cry, cry, cry. Nothing changes

More out right lies of NYT


http://www.salon.com/2015/09/02/ outright_lies_from_the_new_york_times_what_you_nee
d_to_know_about_the_dangerous_new_phase_in_the_ukr
aine_crisis/

Originally posted by Raisen
Just let it go time. The Democrats bought him already. Things never change. Free, free,free. Cry, cry, cry. Nothing changes

See how he cant comment on all the lies of NYT and the controversies of NPR?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
NPR

Why Liberals Love (and Trust) NPR
http://prospect.org/article/why-liberals-love-and-trust-npr

Controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR_controversies
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
NYT Lies

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/ these_are_lies_the_new_york_times_wants_you_to_bel
ieve_about_russia/
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
More Lies of NYT

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/ the_jfk_assassination_we_still_dont_know_what_happ
ened/
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
More out right lies of NYT


http://www.salon.com/2015/09/02/ outright_lies_from_the_new_york_times_what_you_nee
d_to_know_about_the_dangerous_new_phase_in_the_ukr
aine_crisis/

He's not smart enough and now he is hating on veterans. Just leave him be. The Democrats got him. He's not smart enough to learn from democrat history

TI, did you read that list of controversies? There are both left and right leaning instances, but nothing serious, most certainly nothing that suggests they would make up a news story like you and Raisen are suggesting they did with the Ferguson police corruption scandal.

Where is your father lestov.

It's all racism. Everything is racism

Also, none of those Salon articles work.

And how trustworthy is Salon?....

Originally posted by Raisen
It's all racism. Everything is racism

Speaking of which, just checking out at target, they walk up next to me and crowd me at check out, and get stared down at by two Hispanics with a chip on their shoulder, when I look up and look right back at them. They turn and cower away like cowards.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Speaking of which, just checking out at target, they walk up next to me and crowd me at check out, and get stared down at by two Hispanics with a chip on their shoulder, when I look up and look right back at them. They turn and cower away like cowards.

There are a lot of good Hispanic people time. Texas and southern California have a major Latino gang culture that just sucks. I'm sorry you experience the shitty ones but plenty work very hard, love their families, and are embarrassed by hand outs

I understand racism, but when you are checking out and trying to pay for your goods or services. I live next to hispanics, nice people. The point is, these two guys wanted to try and think they were superior for no reason. I could have easily handed them both their ass.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Also, none of those Salon articles work.

And how trustworthy is Salon?....
Not at all trustworthy.

Thread closed due to making things personal- again. Patience with this is wearing very thin.