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So I guess Trump was right, Mexico is sending us their worst.

Well there's approximately 20 million illegals in the US, so that means with 124 criminals, that means 6 out of every 1 million illegals is a violent murderer. Mexico is sending a smidgen of their worst. So I guess Trump was wrong.

It's just amazing how often TI puffs himself up and then immediately faceplants right out the door.

Yes you are correct, only 124 illegal aliens have ever committed murder

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's just amazing how often TI puffs himself up and then immediately faceplants right out the door.

Standard TI. We should be used to it by now.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Standard TI. We should be used to it by now.

Reported for off topic baiting/trolling

Looks like 30% of all murders in US is committed by Illegals

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes you are correct, only 124 illegal aliens have ever committed murder

Fine. Well puff the numbers up. Let's say 124 for 8 years, each year Obama has been in office. So 124 x 8 is 992. Divided by 20 million, that's roughly 50 murderers for every million illegals, or .0050% of the total illegal population. Still small.

Wrong again.

30% of murder is caused by Illigals entering this country.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Looks like 30% of all murders in US is committed by Illegals

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/

Okay, we'll go by those numbers. 7,085 murders. Assuming each murder had a separate perpetrator, that's 7,085 divided by 20 million. That's 354 killers per 1 million immigrants. That's still only .03% of the illegal population. So not even a full 1% percent of illegals are criminals and rapists. So Trump is still wrong.

Your exaggerating the numbers of Illigals here.

And now marginalized it to make it seem like it's not bad.

Lol, so first we needed to ban illegals because there are too many, but now that it doesn't fit your current narrative, we're now lowering the amount of illegals. Lol.

And can't argue with the math

Originally posted by Lestov16
Okay, we'll go by those numbers. 7,085 murders. Assuming each murder had a separate perpetrator, that's 7,085 divided by 20 million. That's 354 killers per 1 million immigrants. That's still only .03% of the illegal population. So not even a full 1% percent of illegals are criminals and rapists. So Trump is still wrong.

We have one Trump follower that punched a protester and liberals want him shut down 100%. Good thing we don't have to follow that line of thinking when it comes to illegal immgirants huh.

Call me crazy, but I don't even want a "smidgen" of their worst.

Originally posted by snowdragon
We have one Trump follower that punched a protester and liberals want him shut down 100%. Good thing we don't have to follow that line of thinking when it comes to illegal immgirants huh.

Yep, the "only a small percent" could be used for a lot of things. For instance it's only a small percentage of cops that are bad apples.

Neither do I, and there should be regulations to remove that smidgen, but I don't want to punish the 99.97% for the crimes of the .03%.

I don't want them gotten rid of for crimes they didn't do either, I want to get rid of them for the crimes they themselves commit. Like being here illegally. No, I'm not comparing it to murder or rape. Yep, it's still a crime.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well there's approximately 20 million illegals in the US, so that means with 124 criminals, that means 6 out of every 1 million illegals is a violent murderer. Mexico is sending a smidgen of their worst. So I guess Trump was wrong.

That actually suggests that statistically, they're below average in murder rate.


Really, the fear mongering is absurd.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol, so first we needed to ban illegals because there are too many, but now that it doesn't fit your current narrative, we're now lowering the amount of illegals. Lol.

And can't argue with the math

Blame shift to Op

Nice way to get out of being dead wrong

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Looks like 30% of all murders in US is committed by Illegals

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/08/illegal-alien-crime-accounts-for-over-30-of-murders-in-some-states/
C'mon man, it says in the title "in some states," not in the country as a whole. That's a HUGE statistical difference. Reading the article, it's mostly a factor in five select states, which while admittedly some of the biggest states by population, don't account for the entirety of the country.

It's absolutely true that some illegal immigrants are violent criminals, but you're being dishonest and misrepresenting information.

I think we have enough on our plate dealing with the legal criminals that live here.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Blame shift to Op

Nice way to get out of being dead wrong

You were the one caught in being wrong.

Why do you say that stuff when you get caught out so often? Do you think that people just, like, don't notice that you get caught out in being wrong constantly? You have to know how factually incorrect much of what you say is by now, but it doesn't seem to stop you from saying it...




We have liberals wanting the campaign to not be violent, and for him to be defeated in voting- by not-violence-encouraging conservatives, even.

Note - Trump's verbally encouraged violence against protesters, blamed the person who was assaulted for being attacked, and one of his staff members assaulted a reporter (a conservative reporter from Breitbart).


Trump is representative in a way that 'random criminals' aren't, in that he's a leader, he is actually trying to represent people (include us, and we're saying, "No, that does not represent us," and we don't want him kicked out from the country for what someone else did, we want him to stop doing what he himself does. Several key differences you're glossing over.

@Surtur

Well that goes to the topic of the horribly bureaucratic and ineffective immigration process. The sooner it gets reformed, the sooner illegals will no longer feel the need to sneak around the system.

Originally posted by Lestov16
@Surtur

Well that goes to the topic of the horribly bureaucratic and ineffective immigration process. The sooner it gets reformed, the sooner illegals will no longer feel the need to sneak around the system.

So when you say reformed what do you specifically mean? Allow more people in then we already do? Make it easier to get in? Which in a roundabout way would just be letting more people in then we already do..wouldn't it?

Our problem is that we're apparently terrible at keeping people from coming here illegally. We need to reform that system.

Do you fear a risk of overpopulation?

Originally posted by Surtur
So when you say reformed what do you specifically mean? Allow more people in then we already do? Make it easier to get in? Which in a roundabout way would just be letting more people in then we already do..wouldn't it?

Our problem is that we're apparently terrible at keeping people from coming here illegally. We need to reform that system.
I take it you're not aware of all the bullshit that legal immigrants need to go through to get into this country.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I take it you're not aware of all the bullshit that legal immigrants need to go through to get into this country.

So are you saying that its acceptable to come into the US illegally then?

Originally posted by snowdragon
So are you saying that its acceptable to come into the US illegally then?
So are you saying you don't want to read people's posts earnestly and instead insert your own meaning into them?

I'm saying the legal immigration system needs to be reformed because it's horribly slow and stupid and it incentivizes illegal immigration.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Do you fear a risk of overpopulation?

Funny you bring this up, when de population is the #1 goal of the liberal agenda.

But more for your question, do you believe the US is a lifeboat for every failed country in the world?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
C'mon man, it says in the title "in some states," not in the country as a whole. That's a HUGE statistical difference. Reading the article, it's mostly a factor in five select states, which while admittedly some of the biggest states by population, don't account for the entirety of the country.

It's absolutely true that some illegal immigrants are violent criminals, but you're being dishonest and misrepresenting information.

My bad if its just "some states" but does that make it any less of a problem?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Funny you bring this up, when de population is the #1 goal of the liberal agenda.

But more for your question, do you believe the US is a lifeboat for every failed country in the world?

Depopulation? How are we planning that?

Do you own research, stop answering every question with a question.

I've heard conspiracy theories that promotion of homosexuality and abortion are depopulation tactics. Is this what you mean? It shows fear and intimidation when you're too afraid to say your homophobic point.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I've heard conspiracy theories that promotion of homosexuality and abortion are depopulation tactics. Is this what you mean? It shows fear and intimidation when you're too afraid to say your homophobic point.

Reported for flaming baiting off topic, nothing I said was homophobic or had to do with anything you claim.

Originally posted by Q99
We have liberals wanting the campaign to not be violent, and for him to be defeated in voting- by not-violence-encouraging conservatives, even.


As well as by suppression of his speech as shown in Chicago.

Lol. Too scared to say what he means. What a bottom debater



Anyways, I guess the inscription on the Statue of Liberty means nothing to you. The entire concept of the American dream is that anybody in the world can come here to get it like the original colonists did. But of course you're a nativist. Exactly what your Fuhrer Trump wants you to be. He loves the uneducated

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lol. Too scared to say what he means. What a bottom debater



Anyways, I guess the inscription on the Statue of Liberty means nothing to you. The entire concept of the American dream is that anybody in the world can come here to get it. But of course you're a nativist. Exactly what your Fuhrer Trump wants you to be. He loves the uneducated

Reported for trolling off topic.

De population by means of low quality food, fluoride, depopulation in Africa attempts by the Gates Foundation.

Also why are you still copying me?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We know you are not a top debater, so that makes you a bottom debater.

Should have specified your meaning. Wouldn't have had to guess. Also, You're just copying me from when I called Christie a bottom bytch. So stop copying me, copier.

Anyways, Trumpie, yes our country is supposed to be the beacon of the world where anybody can come and work for wealth. WTF do you think it's supposed to be the greatest country on Earth for?

No you said you were a top debater, I said you were a bottom debater.

Stop lying

Some people commit crimes. News at 11:00.

Everybody get back on topic. This daily nonsense ends with people stopping their petty rivalries, or me ending it. Your choice.

Haven't left the topic yet. Still waiting on TI to tell me why he's such a nativist towards immigration.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Haven't left the topic yet. Still waiting on TI to tell me why he's such a nativist towards immigration. Drop it. Next time it's a warning.

If I can't talk about his stance in immigration in this immigration-topic thread, what are we to discuss though? I've already crunched the crime rate numbers.

124 murders in 5 years, five years. And we don't even know which are legitimate cases and which are not; you figure out the implications.

Anyway, what is this suppose to prove? People kill? Nobody likes murders? Someone enlighten me.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/14/124-illegal-immigrants-released-by-dhs-later-charg/

So I guess Trump was right, Mexico is sending us their worst.
Mexico isn't sending you anyone, lol. Do you think there are mexican officials giving out numbers saying "you go on Monday, you Pepe on Thursday". LMAO, sure the Mexican government is sending its manual labor to the USA, as the USA is sending its companies to Mexico for the purpose of labor. SMH.

Makes little sense if you think about that.

damn. get rid of the gang bangers and felonious types and give amnesty to the rest. Come to my Catholic Church, there are plenty of good immigrants here. The central americans and mexican people are ignored for asylum due to "not being sexy immigrants". my god. please. please see that most of these people are good.

So we send our corporations over seas and give the jobs to other nations while importing their workers to give those same people jobs here.

Retarded.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So we send our corporations over seas and give the jobs to other nations while importing their workers to give those same people jobs here.

Retarded.

time. why are you attacking me? this is the only thing we disagree on. no, don't send jobs overseas. i'm just looking out for GOOD PEOPLE. please bro, don't fight with me on this. i'm a child of God. My people are of God. I just know how many are suffering and God wouldn't want this for them just as he wouldn't want it for you. GOOD PEOPLE are more important than jobs brother. please don't do this because i will choose God and GOOD PEOPLE ALWAYS

I'm not attacking you, I think the concept of our current deal is retarded..we import non citizens while exporting our large manufacturing to the same countries we are importing people from, mind you illegally.

Makes no sense at all.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So we send our corporations over seas and give the jobs to other nations while importing their workers to give those same people jobs here.

Retarded.
You don't send your corporations, they leave. That's capitalism.
You underpay and undermine workers that do jobs you don't want to do, the workers are more slaves than workers to be honest. So product is produced for less, that should be a good thing, but you view it as a bad thing?

Even Donald Trump said he hired immigrants because Americans didn't want the job. Don't think for a second illegal immigration can't be stopped, it can but corporations are greedy, they screw you and them. If there wasn't anyone hiring illegals then they wouldn't be going to the USA.
Is this understandable or am I not making any sense?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I'm not attacking you, I think the concept of our current deal is retarded..

my friend. we need a wall. we have to thing with our heads instead of our hearts sometimes. but there are good illegal immigrants. they live on top of a bus to get here. many are war torn just like many veterans. many don't break the law other than trying to live better. our boundaries are man made my friend. so many have skills they cannot legally use. so many are escaping rape and death. i go with my God on this. I go with my heart on this. Please talk to some of the women who came here to escape rape and murder.

We do send them overseas because of the corporate tax here, the EPA, OCEA and the 500,000 regulations added to companies.

Originally posted by Raisen
my friend. we need a wall. we have to thing with our heads instead of our hearts sometimes. but there are good illegal immigrants. they live on top of a bus to get here. many are war torn just like many veterans. many don't break the law other than trying to live better. our boundaries are man made my friend. so many have skills they cannot legally use. so many are escaping rape and death. i go with my God on this. I go with my heart on this. Please talk to some of the women who came here to escape rape and murder.

I am all for immigration but we must chose the right people and they must do it legally, surly you must agree.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We do send them overseas because of the corporate tax here, the EPA, OCEA and the 500,000 regulations added to companies.

yes, we need jobs here. we need to take care of Americans first.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I am all for immigration but we must chose the right people and they must do it legally, surly you must agree.

i agree. but so many here are just trying to escape death. my friend. please believe me and see that human life is more important to God than man made rules.

I lived in Mexico for a while. I didn't see many people dying, most were happy hard working people. I do feel for anyone trying to escape death, but if you just bring all the people from Mexico here, what happens to Mexico, it will be come a breeding ground for more lawlessness.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I lived in Mexico for a while. I didn't see many people dying, most were happy hard working people. I do feel for anyone trying to escape death, but if you just bring all the people from Mexico here, what happens to Mexico, it will be come a breeding ground for more lawlessness.
try honduras, guatemala, el salvador. there's so much more. time, i know that our "friendship" quavered on this point. please understand that my belief is coming from a basis of good.

i understand the impact of unchecked illegal immigration but financially and morally we need to come to a center agreement on this

All good

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
All good

i think i understand you my friend. i only ask that you try to understand and see my opinion as well

I do

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I lived in Mexico for a while. I didn't see many people dying, most were happy hard working people. I do feel for anyone trying to escape death, but if you just bring all the people from Mexico here, what happens to Mexico, it will be come a breeding ground for more lawlessness.
When did you live there, and what part? Things have changed a lot in the last ten years.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I do

thanks time. my family religion is very close to me and i can't hold the bible in one hand and spout contradictory statements in the other. many politicians do this and i refuse

Might as well just close this topic too.