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Bane vs Vader vs Galen vs Kanan, Ezra, The Inquisitors and Jax Pavan.

Which team can lift the most from a purely TK standpoint?

kek vader

Vader or Starkiller win

Ezra solos

Ventress

Vader

Galen Marek perhaps

Always wondered what would Legend say when there is no TOR character

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
kek vader

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Always wondered what would Legend say when there is no TOR character

Only picked Galen because Arcann looks like him...

Wasn't Galen Marek supposed to be more powerful then Darth Vader? The former was stated to have potential to surpass even Palpatine, if I am not wrong.

No.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wasn't Galen Marek supposed to be more powerful then Darth Vader? The former was stated to have potential to surpass even Palpatine, if I am not wrong.

They also said Revan's potential was limitless, and Vitiate pwned him. Galen Marek wasn't as powerful as Vader, the trilogy concept for TFU had Vader destroying him in TFUIII.

The only person who actually had unlimited potential was Anakin, but he never achieved that either.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wasn't Galen Marek supposed to be more powerful then Darth Vader?

Possibly. Though, TK is Vader's area of specialty; even if Galen is more powerful, it's not set in stone that he'd out-lift him.




To rival him, yeah. The only ones stated to have the potential to surpass Palpatine were Yoda and the Skywalkers, though.

Yoda was stated to have potential to surpass Sheev? When?!

Well, Dooku said if Yoda wholly embraced the Dark Side he'd be far beyond what Sheev is capable of.

Vader. Although Galen has a decent chance too

Originally posted by NewGuy01
To rival him, yeah. The only ones stated to have the potential to surpass Palpatine were Yoda and the Skywalkers, though.

Nah. It was flat-oit stated that Galen had the potential to be the most powerful Force sensitive the galaxy had ever seen--+including Palpatine.

That being said, potential doesn't have shit to do with the here and now, and Vader's a TK God so he pulls out a win here for sure.

Yes, TFU was a shit series from conception.

I will defend that Galen's level of power and progression makes infinitely more sense than DD did.

It is shit, but Marek is very powerful nevertheless.

Even if TFUIII was going to portray Vader destroying Marek, Marek defeats Vader in TFUII. So, Vader winning in TFUIII, if anything, suggests they're very similar in terms of power.

This goes to Vader or Marek.

It was said that Vader let him win. Vader already overpowered him in TK anyway, so it's Vader no contest.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I will defend that Galen's level of power and progression makes infinitely more sense than DD did.
Of course. Doesn't make TFU any less retarded.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, TFU was a shit series from conception.

Can't really argue with that, kek.

I'd still like TFU 3, if nothing else to see Vader wipe the floor with Galen.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wasn't Galen Marek supposed to be more powerful then Darth Vader? The former was stated to have potential to surpass even Palpatine, if I am not wrong.

He was and is.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They also said Revan's potential was limitless, and Vitiate pwned him. Galen Marek wasn't as powerful as Vader, the trilogy concept for TFU had Vader destroying him in TFUIII.

The only person who actually had unlimited potential was Anakin, but he never achieved that either.

We go by feats rather then unsubstantiated statements thank you.

Galen has superior feats to Vader and overwhelmed him with the Force in TFU.

In TFUII Vader also lost to the clone regardless of a voice actor's opinion or cutscenes in a game that contradict other game versions.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It was said that Vader let him win. Vader already overpowered him in TK anyway, so it's Vader no contest.

Of course. Doesn't make TFU any less retarded.

You mean the cutscene contradicted by multiple different versions of the game? Try again.

Like the game version where Vader destroyed Marek in TK? The actual point of this thread, and needed to use the environment to escape?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Like the game version where Vader destroyed Marek in TK? The actual point of this thread, and needed to use the environment to escape?

The Wii versions doesn't have Vader doing shit to Starkiller in TFUII and anything Vader managed to do in TFU was before Galen's prime.

"The actual point of this thread, and needed to use the environment to escape?" Eh?

I believe he's referring to the TFU II novelization.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I believe he's referring to the TFU II novelization.

I don't believe Vader ragdolls him in the novel.

LAL.

Starkiller needed to cheap-shot a Darth Vader that was holding back, to defeat him in TFU II---other than that, Vader telekinetically effected 'Killer twice, while the latter did only achieved that after amping himself with lightning a hitting a spot Juno already damaged earlier by catching him by surprise and praying on Vader's willingness not to kill him and playing possum.

Not to mention, multiple sources have said Vader didn't reach his peak until after those events, so whatever.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LAL.

Starkiller needed to cheap-shot a Darth Vader that was holding back, to defeat him in TFU II---other than that, Vader telekinetically effected 'Killer twice, while the latter did only achieved that after amping himself with lightning a hitting a spot Juno already damaged earlier by catching him by surprise and praying on Vader's willingness not to kill him and playing possum.

Not to mention, multiple sources have said Vader didn't reach his peak until after those events, so whatever.

There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.

Quote me when he affected Starkiller with TK when Starkiller was prepared.

That's fine simply going by feats however Galen is Vader's superior.

Originally posted by Syndicate
We go by feats rather then unsubstantiated statements thank you.

Galen has superior feats to Vader and overwhelmed him with the Force in TFU.

In TFUII Vader also lost to the clone regardless of a voice actor's opinion or cutscenes in a game that contradict other game versions. If you at their duel in the novel Vader has him beat twice, and a clear advantage throughout.

So Witwer's statements align with the text just fine.

Originally posted by Syndicate
There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.

Nice red herring. Starkiller directly said it himelf in the phucking novel that Vader was holding back and not trying to kill him. Read the actual material before trying to correct a God, son.



--TFU II

Vader not wanting to kill Starkiller, even when he had him dead to rights is proof enough that he was in fact holding back.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Quote me when he affected Starkiller with TK when Starkiller was prepared.


--Excerpt from The Force Unleashed II

Yeah, he was clearly prepared to get TK'ed that time around, and Vader still sent the **** packing like shipping mail.

Originally posted by Syndicate
That's fine simply going by feats however Galen is Vader's superior.
Nah. Vader collapsing a Cathedral while half-dead and while keeping himself alive via sheer willpower, and exerting a significant amount of power just to compensate for his busted life support system, on top of being a decade or two before he reached his peak and became a "far more formidable foe" is just as impressive as anything Galen had done.

Originally posted by Syndicate
There's nothing that shows Vader holding back. Only the opinion of a voice actor which isn't supported by events in the novel.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8550447&postcount=5038

Originally posted by Deronn_solo


Nah. Vader collapsing a Cathedral while half-dead and while keeping himself alive via sheer willpower, and exerting a significant amount of power just to compensate for his busted life support system, on top of being a decade or two before he reached his peak and became a "far more formidable foe" is just as impressive as anything Galen had done.
uhuh

What did I did wrong.

is just as impressive as anything Galen had done.

Ohhh, my bad.

I've failed our Darklord.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nice red herring. Starkiller directly said it himelf in the phucking novel that Vader was holding back and not trying to kill him. Read the actual material before trying to correct a God, son.



--TFU II

Vader not wanting to kill Starkiller, even when he had him dead to rights is proof enough that he was in fact holding back.




--Excerpt from The Force Unleashed II

Yeah, he was clearly prepared to get TK'ed that time around, and Vader still sent the **** packing like shipping mail.


Nah. Vader collapsing a Cathedral while half-dead and while keeping himself alive via sheer willpower, and exerting a significant amount of power just to compensate for his busted life support system, on top of being a decade or two before he reached his peak and became a "far more formidable foe" is just as impressive as anything Galen had done.

The text clearly states that if Starkiller hadn't attempted that desperate move it would have been a stalemate. Also Vader only managed to affect the direction of the blade. It was the platform buckling that sent him flying. How is collapsing a cathedral as impressive as collapsing the supports of an orbital superstructure or sending thousands of droids flying or guiding the descent of a Star Destroyer or powering an ore cannon that pierced through a Star Destroyer?

Yeah, and Starkiller executed the plan because he knew Vader was never actually trying to kill him; hence, what Sith are always aiming to do. Ergo, he was holding back, LAL.

Fair enough on the Platform thing, but he still technically TK'ed Killer mid duel.

Did you even read the circumstances of the feat? He was literally knocking on death's door, decades before his prime, and keeping himself alive strictly through sheer will-power and the Force. A prime, fully healed Vader could do everything Galen could and then some.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, and Starkiller executed the plan because he knew Vader was never actually trying to kill him; hence, what Sith are always aiming to do. Ergo, he was holding back, LAL.



Did you even read the circumstances of the feat? He was literally knocking on death's door, decades before his prime, and keeping himself alive strictly through sheer will-power and the Force.

It only stated he was holding back when he had disarmed Starkiller.

Yes and? How is that better then the feats I've mentioned? Tons of people have kept themselves alive with the Force and their willpower and aren't some godlike beings of ultimate power. A great example of this being Sion.

Originally posted by Syndicate
It only stated he was holding back when he had disarmed Starkiller.
That literally makes no sense, but given the source; am I really surprised?

Why would Starkiller willingly put himself in that position to an opponent that was aiming to kill him from the get-go? It was even stated in the duel that Vader was "testing him" and was casually deflecting his blows with a disinterested demeanor and such. Clearly doesn't seem like someone who is strictly out for victory to me.

Originally posted by Syndicate


Are you retarded? LAL.

If Vader was pulling that kind of feat(you do know how durable and monstrous Catherdals are on average, right) in the worst possible condition one can be in, before becoming far more powerful decades later; you seriously don't think he can replicate what Galen performed in a exaggerated medium like TFU if he was the protag?

I love how sion is the rule and not the exception. Vader > Galen.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
That literally makes no sense, but given the source; am I really surprised?

Why would Starkiller willingly put himself in that position to an opponent that was aiming to kill him from the get-go? It was even stated in the duel that Vader was "testing him" and was casually deflecting his blows with a disinterested demeanor and such. Clearly doesn't seem like someone who is strictly out for victory to me.



Are you retarded? LAL.

If Vader was pulling that kind of feat(you do know how durable and monstrous Catherdals are on average, right) in the worst possible condition one can be in, before becoming far more powerful decades later; you seriously don't think he can replicate what Galen performed in a exaggerated medium like TFU if he was the protag?

I don't know. Only you can give clarity to your personal feelings on the matter.

You posted his monologue, you should know. He wanted to put himself in a indefensible position so that he could lower Vader's guard which is exactly what happened. He didn't seem to have a problem when he "seemingly" defeated Starkiller casually giving him orders to put an end to the Alliance. Vader's smart so of course he had a back up plan for when he was defeated but I doubt he was attempting to lose.

No but you seemingly are by your seeming inability to understand simple points.

Around 30 to 40 meters. I don't know what Vader's power level is by RotJ. He might be able to replicate Galen's feats but that's pure speculation tbh. Also as I said reviving yourself with the Force doesn't seem to be all that impressive given the fact that Sion was capable of doing such ad infinitum.

Sion was an anomaly that was considered to be one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever because of that ability, despite having practically no other notable talents.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sion was an anomaly that was considered to be one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever because of that ability, despite having practically no other notable talents.

Personally I think the Force refused to let Vader die after the cathedral fell on him evidenced by Vader saying "Let the Force decide." As he brought it down.

....Wut?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
....Wut?

The Force refused to let him die because he was the Chosen One and he hadn't yet fulfilled his destiny.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Personally I think the Force refused to let Vader die after the cathedral fell on him evidenced by Vader saying "Let the Force decide." As he brought it down.

..wat?

That's like if I bet my entire life stake on a single coin flip and say "let fate decide". That doesn't mean as a non- superstitious atheist, I believe that fate is a legit force. Clearly a figure of speech on Vader's part.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
..wat?

That's like if I bet my entire life stake on a single coin flip and say "let fate decide". That doesn't mean as a non- superstitious atheist, I believe that fate is a legit force. Clearly a figure of speech on Vader's part.

Except the Force actually exists as a semi sentient entity in the Star Wars universe.

Except, you have no proof if what Vader was saying was meant to be taken literally, or figuratively. That's my phucking point, LAL. We go by facts not baseless speculation built upon conjecture and ambiguous reading.
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Also, I'll get to the rest of your nonsense tomorrow.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Except, you have no proof if what Vader was saying was meant to be taken literally, or figuratively. That's my phucking point, LAL. We go by facts not baseless speculation built upon conjecture and ambiguous reading.
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Also, I'll get to the rest of your nonsense tomorrow.

Well I guess it's how you interpret it. Since what Plagueis and Sidious did to darken the Force brought Anakin into being as that was the Force's way of retaliation I would think that the Force wouldn't want Anakin to die until he had accomplished what it wanted.

The Force is the cause of everything in Star Wars, so that's some next level stupid logic. It's not an explanation just because it's a reason. It's like saying random guy 5's mother became pregnant because the Force.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Force is the cause of everything in Star Wars, so that's some next level stupid logic. It's not an explanation just because it's a reason. It's like saying random guy 5's mother became pregnant because the Force.

Since the Force retaliated by bringing Anakin into being I can only assume it did not intend for Plagueis and Sidious to do what they did and thus Plagueis and Sidious were not serving the Force with their actions. It makes sense considering Jedi are all about serving the Force while the Sith are all about bending it to their will.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
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Ok.

>Galen could only redirect a Star Destroyer because the Force wanted him to now.

Trufax.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Since the Force retaliated by bringing Anakin into being I can only assume it did not intend for Plagueis and Sidious to do what they did and thus Plagueis and Sidious were not serving the Force with their actions. It makes sense considering Jedi are all about serving the Force while the Sith are all about bending it to their will.
This is true.

The Force gives the impression of being semi-sentient.

Vitiate/Valkorion isn't even actually powerful, LeGenD. He only beat Arcann because the Force doesn't want the Outlander to die. They already said, "It's destiny," so we know it's true.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vitiate/Valkorion isn't even actually powerful, LeGenD. He only beat Arcann because the Force doesn't want the Outlander to die. They already said, "It's destiny," so we know it's true.

lmao