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All out, battle takes place in the Eternal Throne Room.

Who wins this quality matchup.

Exar and Ulic. Superior skill and debatably superior power in the Force.

Exar really has now way of damaging Arcann in the force, but he's a greater duelist and can end him in a decent fight. Ulic likewise can probably stalemate or take an edge over Arcann, or fight him in an incredibly prolonged duel.

Vaylin is no match for either though, as Ulic is near Exar in skill and she was outed by her mother in a duel. Her telekinesis is nice but either of these two have immense showings of barrier, (Ulic repelling cannonfire from Krath war droids/Exar repelling force sever/Aleem's blasts that reduce servants to chared corpses). So she isn't harming them with TK.

Vailyn isn't needed here - Arcann can solo with Exar and Ulic standing absolutely no chance, although the battle would be indeed wonderful sight to look upon.

So, first let's begin with assessing how powerful Arcann truly is. What we have so far as his best feat is standing up to Force Lightning utilized by "Valkorioned" Outlander. It may not look as good as you think, but now...

This Lightning one-shot Darth Marr. One burst of Lightning instantly murdered completely hopeless Darth Marr. And Darth Marr is stated by the SWTOR Codex to be superior to everyone else in the Empire besides the Emperor at the beginning of the game. That includes post-Deceived/pre-FE Darth Malgus. However let's pay attention to the fact that Deceived took place 10 years before that quote, and False Emperor Malgus appeared 1 year after that quote. What's obvious is that by the time Darth Marr was stated to be superior to Darth Malgus, Malgus was only a notch before his False Emperor iteration.

What False Emperor was capable of? Contending at once with 4 people at once, including Hero of Tython, who battered through weakened Vitiate's Force powers enough to put him down with the lightsaber. What's worth noting - Dromund Kaas was noted as a very powerful Dark Side nexus that greatly affected Jedi of Meetra Surik's caliber. And Hero of Tython, with the aid of T7 droid, had to fight through dozens of Imperial troopers squads, of the best Guardsmen of the Empire assigned to protect Vitiate's temple (4 of them gave a great fight to Meetra & Scourge), and multiple fully trained Sith Lords. So Vitiate's weakening at best evened the odds with Hero of Tython going through almost an entire army.

Then. That guy defeated Lord Praven before even being narrowly close to his prime; Praven defeating one of the best Jedi warriors in the most competitive era for the Force users. Granted, "best of the Jedi warriors" probably isn't Ulic level yet, sure, but HoT was in mid of his career only. Then he advanced to the level where he broke through Dark Temple and Vitiate himself.

Yet the guy like Malgus contended with Hero of Tython, Barsen'thor and two others, while just the Hero of Tython himself was half-way through his advancement. Basically, what we have here is the guy on the level multiple times above Praven-level. Multiple times.

And then... Marr was even SUPERIOR to Malgus that was only a notch from this tier.

Valkorion one-shot Marr.

Of course, we need to take into consideration that it was Valkorion's disembodied spirit, yep? Pretty wrong - disembodied spirit of Valkorion drained Ziost of life, destroyed the planet. Something completely above even DE Palpatine, who drained Byss across multiple years and still not to such an extent. Like - completely other level than frigging Dark Empire Palpatine. However, yes, there is one thing that brought Valkorion down - he wasn't utilizing the power through his own body, but Outlander only, so that obviously weakened him. But not to such an extent, where we are already going through the simple equation.

Prime Valkorion - one shotting Marr.
Darth Marr - superior to Malgus notch before "False Emperor".
False Emperor Malgus - contending with HoT, Barsen'thor, Smuggler and Trooper at once.
Lone HoT - taking down weakened Vitiate, on a Dark Side nexus, after fighting through dozens of dozens of Sith Lords and troopers on that nexus.
Lone HoT mid-way before that - taking down Praven.
Praven - superior to the best of the Jedi warriors in TOR era.

Arcann contended with the power we have on top of my "equation", take down a notch or two because of Valkorion using HoT's body, not his own.

Arcann many times shown us he is fully knowledgable in telekinesis, Force blasts, and stuff like that. And Force power is an inner capability realized by training, self-discipline, potential of course and other stuff - but basically Force power of the character is consistent throughout all his techniques. It's still the Force within that one guy, his own Force reserves and pool - just utilized in different manners. One cannot be basically >> Luke-level in Force Absorb/Tutaminis (defense against Valkorion's Lightning) and leagues beneath in other powers. Sure, a notch or two, because of mastery and practice, but that's all.

Basically - Exar's and Ulic's incredible saber skills really don't matter. While I honestly hold both Exar and Ulic as superior lightsaber duelists to Arcann, it doesn't matter. Their skills are useless, as Arcann can ragdoll them off the bat. They don't compare to him in the slightest, he is on another plane than them as depicted before.

Originally posted by JKBart
Vailyn isn't needed here - Arcann can solo with Exar and Ulic standing absolutely no chance, although the battle would be indeed wonderful sight to look upon.

So, first let's begin with assessing how powerful Arcann truly is. What we have so far as his best feat is standing up to Force Lightning utilized by "Valkorioned" Outlander. It may not look as good as you think, but now...

This Lightning one-shot Darth Marr. One burst of Lightning instantly murdered completely hopeless Darth Marr. And Darth Marr is stated by the SWTOR Codex to be superior to everyone else in the Empire besides the Emperor at the beginning of the game. That includes post-Deceived/pre-FE Darth Malgus. However let's pay attention to the fact that Deceived took place 10 years before that quote, and False Emperor Malgus appeared 1 year after that quote. What's obvious is that by the time Darth Marr was stated to be superior to Darth Malgus, Malgus was only a notch before his False Emperor iteration.

What False Emperor was capable of? Contending at once with 4 people at once, including Hero of Tython, who battered through weakened Vitiate's Force powers enough to put him down with the lightsaber. What's worth noting - Dromund Kaas was noted as a very powerful Dark Side nexus that greatly affected Jedi of Meetra Surik's caliber. And Hero of Tython, with the aid of T7 droid, had to fight through dozens of Imperial troopers squads, of the best Guardsmen of the Empire assigned to protect Vitiate's temple (4 of them gave a great fight to Meetra & Scourge), and multiple fully trained Sith Lords. So Vitiate's weakening at best evened the odds with Hero of Tython going through almost an entire army.

Then. That guy defeated Lord Praven before even being narrowly close to his prime; Praven defeating one of the best Jedi warriors in the most competitive era for the Force users. Granted, "best of the Jedi warriors" probably isn't Ulic level yet, sure, but HoT was in mid of his career only. Then he advanced to the level where he broke through Dark Temple and Vitiate himself.

Yet the guy like Malgus contended with Hero of Tython, Barsen'thor and two others, while just the Hero of Tython himself was half-way through his advancement. Basically, what we have here is the guy on the level multiple times above Praven-level. Multiple times.

And then... Marr was even SUPERIOR to Malgus that was only a notch from this tier.

Valkorion one-shot Marr.

Of course, we need to take into consideration that it was Valkorion's disembodied spirit, yep? Pretty wrong - disembodied spirit of Valkorion drained Ziost of life, destroyed the planet. Something completely above even DE Palpatine, who drained Byss across multiple years and still not to such an extent. Like - completely other level than frigging Dark Empire Palpatine. However, yes, there is one thing that brought Valkorion down - he wasn't utilizing the power through his own body, but Outlander only, so that obviously weakened him. But not to such an extent, where we are already going through the simple equation.

Prime Valkorion - one shotting Marr.
Darth Marr - superior to Malgus notch before "False Emperor".
False Emperor Malgus - contending with HoT, Barsen'thor, Smuggler and Trooper at once.
Lone HoT - taking down weakened Vitiate, on a Dark Side nexus, after fighting through dozens of dozens of Sith Lords and troopers on that nexus.
Lone HoT mid-way before that - taking down Praven.
Praven - superior to the best of the Jedi warriors in TOR era.

Arcann contended with the power we have on top of my "equation", take down a notch or two because of Valkorion using HoT's body, not his own.

Arcann many times shown us he is fully knowledgable in telekinesis, Force blasts, and stuff like that. And Force power is an inner capability realized by training, self-discipline, potential of course and other stuff - but basically Force power of the character is consistent throughout all his techniques. It's still the Force within that one guy, his own Force reserves and pool - just utilized in different manners. One cannot be basically >> Luke-level in Force Absorb/Tutaminis (defense against Valkorion's Lightning) and leagues beneath in other powers. Sure, a notch or two, because of mastery and practice, but that's all.

Basically - Exar's and Ulic's incredible saber skills really don't matter. While I honestly hold both Exar and Ulic as superior lightsaber duelists to Arcann, it doesn't matter. Their skills are useless, as Arcann can ragdoll them off the bat. They don't compare to him in the slightest, he is on another plane than them as depicted before.

I really hope you copy and pasted this because it's almost as long as my Galen post...

Fully personal analysis, try to google sentences from this - you won't find anything.

10/10 response, total mismatch tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
10/10 response, total mismatch tbh.

Thexan would've been better than arcann if arcann hadn't have taken him by surprise that is

True. Since Arcann is somewhere on Dark Empire Palpatine level, probably a small notch higher, and a tier beneath Valkorion... Thexan in his prime could become a clear superior to prime Luke Skywalker.

Probably stronger than the likes of full potential anakin solo as well

Also has arcann reached his prime yet?

It is impossible to tell with almost any character to be honest, but Arcann was actively fighting for the Eternal Empire for many years and underwent immense trials for his personality (killing his own brother, betraying his father, claiming the throne, etc.) and countless, incalculable challenges as a warrior. I doubt you can go higher than that.

True
Wish Thexan survived tho
The trailers clearly show him as the superior combatant

Good to see my thread is promoting intelligent discussion.

Originally posted by JKBart
True. Since Arcann is somewhere on Dark Empire Palpatine level, probably a small notch higher, and a tier beneath Valkorion... LOL Don't be ridiculous. Arcann is ROTS Sidious level at best.

Agreed :/

Nah, Arcann is definitely superior to RotS Palpatine. By RotS Palpatine is already claimed to be the most powerful Sith Lord, true, but that doesn't stack to Valkorion and his family. They are neither regular Sith (especially the children), and they came to existence after these quotes were created.

By RotS that would mean Palpatine being above the guys like Kun, or Plagueis (with his feat of inhuman Force destruction inflicted on the assassins in the critical state, for instance), but that's nowhere near standing up to Valkorion's Lightning, even weakened. Valkorion's Force magnitude demonstrated by one-shotting Darth Marr is well beyond Palpatine's Force raw power (even though DE Palpatine is still obviously god-tier, just not Valkorion-tier).

With Marr superior to Malgus, and Malgus superior to Hero of Tython, within the obvious "power hierarchy" I depicted before... even DE Palpatine comes nowhere near Valkorion insta-killing Marr. None of his feats imply power of that magnitude. With Arcann resisting that tier of power (take away notch or two - Valkorion wasn't using his own body)... he is definitely superior to RotS Palpatine. Now, DE Palpatine, who demonstrates a higher tier of power, is another story.

Originally posted by JKBart
Nah, Arcann is definitely superior to RotS Palpatine. By RotS Palpatine is already claimed to be the most powerful Sith Lord, true, but that doesn't stack to Valkorion and his family. They are neither regular Sith (especially the children), and they came to existence after these quotes were created.

By RotS that would mean Palpatine being above the guys like Kun, or Plagueis (with his feat of inhuman Force destruction inflicted on the assassins in the critical state, for instance), but that's nowhere near standing up to Valkorion's Lightning, even weakened. Valkorion's Force magnitude demonstrated by one-shotting Darth Marr is well beyond Palpatine's Force raw power (even though DE Palpatine is still obviously god-tier, just not Valkorion-tier).

With Marr superior to Malgus, and Malgus superior to Hero of Tython, within the obvious "power hierarchy" I depicted before... even DE Palpatine comes nowhere near Valkorion insta-killing Marr. None of his feats imply power of that magnitude. With Arcann resisting that tier of power (take away notch or two - Valkorion wasn't using his own body)... he is definitely superior to RotS Palpatine. Now, DE Palpatine, who demonstrates a higher tier of power, is another story. Hmm, damn. Yeah, maybe Arcann is closer to DE Sidious than ROTS in the force. What about sabers though? Cause Sidious can take Arcann in sabers imo.

Yeah, RotS+ Sidious should be superior saber-wise. With Arcann being decisively better combatant than HoT-Outlander, but beneath Revan (who fought HoT+countless others), Arcann should be somewhere around... prime Caedus level as a saberist.

Yeah, that adds up well. Caedus level saber skill + decisive superiority in the force should put Arcann above ROTS Sidious.

Originally posted by JKBart
Yeah, RotS+ Sidious should be superior saber-wise. With Arcann being decisively better combatant than HoT-Outlander, but beneath Revan (who fought HoT+countless others), Arcann should be somewhere around... prime Caedus level as a saberist.
Countless doe

Tbh I can't tell if you guys are trolling or not anymore

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Read my analysis on the prievous page... That should be enough :/

Exactly. The fact that you put so much effort into typing that makes me wonder D you actually believe that or are so committed to trolling that it's depressing.

Arcann easily has feats on par with the likes of Caedus, let alone Ulic or Exar Kun.

Arcann is a legitimate powerhouse. I perceive him to be on par with Darth Caedus.

Originally posted by Sinious
Arcann is ROTS Sidious level at best.
Agreed