Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Well the point I was trying to make is he actually isn't.Perhaps, but it wasn't very effective.:facepalm:
You are seriously not understanding the point.
Let me provide an analogy. Assuming you are trying to get into a burn building to save someone, but you have to knock down the door to get in.
Is your primary objective knocking down the door? No. It's saving the person. Would you bother knocking down the whole door if you managed to create sufficient enough an opening to get through? No, saving the person takes priority.
Are you nonetheless, going to put every ounce of your strength into knocking down that door? Of course you are. The faster you knock down the door or at least create an opening, the faster you can save the person.
Ahsoka is that door. She is an obstacle, standing in the way of Vader and his objective, the faster he removes that obstacle, be it by defeating, incapacitating otherwise getting rid of her, the faster he can get to the holocron. Not applying "all his skill" therefore would only work to his disadvantage.
Its no different from Windu using all his abilities to drive away Ventress, despite it not being his primary objective.Actually, he explicitly notes her fall.Nah, TPM Maul is described as eclipsing the abilities of Qui-Gon, whose accolades as one of the greatest swordsbeings in the Order is just as good as any one CM member. Maul's on another level.
And clearly she is, seeing as she contended with a better version of Maul as an equal.No she didn't, they defeated her in 30 seconds twice over, Ahsoka lasted more than three times as long against Vader.
Something you just admitted, not sure why you're backtracking now.Huh? Ahsoka can't handle Savage now? Lmao.
And what performances? She was driven away just as quickly by Windu and being => to a Council-level doesn't make her better than Ahsoka when she's equal to Maul.Dooku still isn't nearly as aggressive a duelist as Vader. Astonishing irony here:
Again, I'd disagree here. Causing avalanches, causing stalagmites to collapse, causing an explosion with her force blast and just generally being able to employ telekinesis that pushes back foes like Kenobi and Anakin is perhaps more impressive then Ahsoka's own feat.
If Ahsoka pushing Vader is not that impressive, Ventress pushing the likes of Anakin or Kenobi barely warrants a footnote.
Regardless, you continue to ignore the fact that Ahsoka with her TK KOed both the Seventh Sister and Fifth Brother with little difficulty, which surpasses anything Ventress has accomplished offensively.
The former who could Force grip a shuttle for a time and the latter Force gripped Kanan. Neither of which are that far off triggering an avalanche or dislodging stalagmites. Ahsoka is a vastly superior Force user to either, go figure.My point is it's guesswork to assume how dominating that makes him in combat.
Vader has cybernetically enhanced strength, is vastly powerful in the Force, and is stronger than a being who exhausted Dooku with his attacks. But ripping out a console doesn't put Grievous on his level, which is a Legends showing anyway. Nor she we ignore the fact that Ventress only contends with his strength on a nexus.Fair enough, by Vader is vastly more powerful and skilled than Savage.
She also favors a single saber in DD so I think we can chalk it up as a fair defeat.Nah, really no.
Ventress cannot match Dooku's speed.
Ventress cannot match Windu's speed.
Ventress cannot even match Kenobi's speed.
This should be plainly obvious from their feats e.g. contending with Yoda, or delivering six punches in one second, or contending with ROTS Vader, or deflecting almost 20 strikes per second.
Was she able to perceive and counter their attacks? Yes, for a brief time, but that doesn't mean she's on level with their speed, any more than it makes Bariss on level with Anakin or Maul on level with Palpatine.
It's possible to contend with someone and still be outclassed or at least surpassed in this regard.
Given that, no, Ventress cannot match Vader's speed, she cannot deflect omni-directional fire, she cannot emerge unscathed against a Lylek horde and she certainly cannot keep pace with Darth Sidious, I doubt she could even perceive him.
And by association I don't see her matching Ahsoka's speed either, which is at least equal to Vader. I would argue she was initially faster on the basis she kicked him in the face before he could even swing, and evade the majority of his subsequent attacks quite easily. Though it was a level of speed she was unable to maintain.Again this is baseless conjecture on your part. There is no reason to assume Maul's abilities have atrophied to any significant degree, when they didn't after 10 years of deranged seclusion, when he appears in excellent shape, performs admirably against the Inquisitors, and is barely in his fiftiesEvidently not if he can't defeat Vader, and for the record at that point Maul hadn't become accustomed to his new legs so its certainly not his prime.
Regardless, Ventress didn't engage Maul or Savage for nearly as long.Concerning Karbin, looking over it again Vader doesn't really have any excuse not to just Force crush the guy. However considering he literally has zero excuse, and even goes to express the fact he wants to be done with this guy, I'm inclined to believe he was jobbing, for the sake of a cool fight.
And yes in Vader's first encounter with Luke, he literally pulls his lightsaber out of his hand.
Too much effort.
That means I don't think Grievous was simply flailing at Ventress like you suggested.
Then how is he generally portrayed iyo?
And I believe that's because of how powerful and skilled Ventress was by that point on Dathomir.
he's serious.
you'd realize that I was referring to you getting the Ventress breast milk out of your eyes and see who actually made the thread. 
just to be clear 
Originally posted by Syndicate 