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Who wins?

Do you mean Thor as in Jane foster or Thor as in odinson? Also, are we using the current new god shazam? Odinson probably wins, while foster probably loses more times than not.

Originally posted by deathslash
Do you mean Thor as in Jane foster or Thor as in odinson? Also, are we using the current new god shazam? Odinson probably wins, while foster probably loses more times than not.

Yes, Odinson himself (forgot there's two of them) and New God Shazam.

Originally posted by Interneton
Yes, Odinson himself (forgot there's two of them) and New God Shazam. odinson still probably wins then.

Originally posted by deathslash
Do you mean Thor as in Jane foster or Thor as in odinson? Also, are we using the current new god shazam? Odinson probably wins, while foster probably loses more times than not.

There's not much feats from Shazam in Nu52 is often said but I disagree Prelude to Trinity Wars had Shazam do pretty well against Superman. During Trinity Wars he was doing well against various powerhouses Wonder Woman and Frankenstein though if wasn't much. During Forever Evil he showed he was strong enough to make Martian Manhunter bleed. During the Jessica Cruz stuff he took an explosion up close that was seen from space.

Futures End he didn't receive any amps to my knowledge and he was doing well against various powerhouses there as well.

Shazam as God of Gods should be more powerful in my personal opinion then either Thor just based on the fact he was able to break through the Source Wall as well as the Gods he's getting his powers from being suggested as more powerful well atleast the God he got strength from is said to be stronger then Hercules.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There's not much feats from Shazam in Nu52 is often said but I disagree Prelude to Trinity Wars had Shazam do pretty well against Superman. During Trinity Wars he was doing well against various powerhouses Wonder Woman and Frankenstein though if wasn't much. During Forever Evil he showed he was strong enough to make Martian Manhunter bleed. During the Jessica Cruz stuff he took an explosion up close that was seen from space.

Futures End he didn't receive any amps to my knowledge and he was doing well against various powerhouses there as well.

Shazam as God of Gods should be more powerful in my personal opinion then either Thor just based on the fact he was able to break through the Source Wall as well as the Gods he's getting his powers from being suggested as more powerful well atleast the God he got strength from is said to be stronger then Hercules. most of this is true, but I think that you matched up a slightly more formidable version of Thor against a fairly well nerfed shazam. After becoming the god of gods, shazam lost his ability to fly (a heavy loss of maneuverability) and IIRC he also lost his super speed (a heavy loss of one of his biggest advantages in this fight). He has a good amount of feats as normal shazam but doesn't have even half of them as the god of gods. So let's break it down and look at who has what advantages in this battle.

Range- about equal or with Thor having a slightly longer reach and faster striking ability (lightning travels faster than fire after all)

Durability- about even or maybe a slight edge to Billy

Strength- edge to Billy

Speed- again, how fast is Billy currently? I'll wait for abhi or some other poster to tell me before I judge that.

Pain tolerance- not even a question. Thor is far better at taking punishment.

H2h skill- again, not a question. Thor has been fighting for centuries and is a battle hardened warrior while Billy is an above average kid.

Weapons- Thor is the only one here with any weapon, and considering that it has cut through the destroyer armor and busted galactus' lip, it should do a number on billy.

Verdict- Thor 7-8/10 though Billy can make him work for it. This battle is basically like a normal heavy weight body builder fighting against a welterweight boxer that's also armed with an ax; sure the first guy is stronger, but it's only a matter of time before the more skilled combatant buries his ax in the other guy's abdomen.

Thor gets downed with a single punch.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thor gets downed with a single punch. wolverine is dead. He's been replaced with his unsanctioned female clone who was also a prostitute and his sad sack of a future version of himself who was also such a dipshit that he killed all of his friends on accident. Suck it.

Originally posted by deathslash
most of this is true, but I think that you matched up a slightly more formidable version of Thor against a fairly well nerfed shazam. After becoming the god of gods, shazam lost his ability to fly (a heavy loss of maneuverability) and IIRC he also lost his super speed (a heavy loss of one of his biggest advantages in this fight). He has a good amount of feats as normal shazam but doesn't have even half of them as the god of gods. So let's break it down and look at who has what advantages in this battle.

Range- about equal or with Thor having a slightly longer reach and faster striking ability (lightning travels faster than fire after all)

Durability- about even or maybe a slight edge to Billy

Strength- edge to Billy

Speed- again, how fast is Billy currently? I'll wait for abhi or some other poster to tell me before I judge that.

Pain tolerance- not even a question. Thor is far better at taking punishment.

H2h skill- again, not a question. Thor has been fighting for centuries and is a battle hardened warrior while Billy is an above average kid.

Weapons- Thor is the only one here with any weapon, and considering that it has cut through the destroyer armor and busted galactus' lip, it should do a number on billy.

Verdict- Thor 7-8/10 though Billy can make him work for it. This battle is basically like a normal heavy weight body builder fighting against a welterweight boxer that's also armed with an ax; sure the first guy is stronger, but it's only a matter of time before the more skilled combatant buries his ax in the other guy's abdomen.

Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.


Speed:
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4906767-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-018.jpg

It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.


Range:

Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg

Fire breath
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/12/120679/5074604-justice+league+%282011-%29+048-010_2.jpg

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.


Speed:
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4906767-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-018.jpg

It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.


Range:

Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg

Fire breath
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/12/120679/5074604-justice+league+%282011-%29+048-010_2.jpg

Stronger than the Hulk? I don't think so. You do recall that the Hulk has vast dynamic strength right?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hulk can't fly and usually gives Thor trouble.. Shazam can still jump pretty far and has superspeed I'd really probably suggest he's stronger then both Hulk and Thor which we seem to agree on.


Speed:
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4906767-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-018.jpg

It's unquantifiable but Thor really if ever doesn't have many good reaction feats then again I'm not to knowledgeable on him.


Range:

Using Lightning as a range attack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4911621-justice+league-+the+darkseid+war+-+shazam+%282015%29+001-017.jpg

Fire breath
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/12/120679/5074604-justice+league+%282011-%29+048-010_2.jpg thor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air.

Originally posted by Stoic
Stronger than the Hulk? I don't think so. You do recall that the Hulk has vast dynamic strength right?

I'm talking about base version of Hulks compared to Shazam. I don't see any of those versions at base being able to break through the source wall and it should take them awhile to get to that strength level.

Originally posted by deathslash
thor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air.

That's actually pretty good stuff alot of the sites I'm on usually bring up the Wolverine scan do you have any scans of him catching these guys at speed?

Originally posted by deathslash
thor actually has quite a few reaction feats. He's beaten down one of his opponents in a few microseconds, caught quicksilver, slapped away hyperion when he tried to blitz him, etc. I also recall one time where thor was attacking hermes and he was moving so fast that none of the other avengers could see him and it looked like thor was attacking the air. just wondering, who were the other Avengers, when Thor went against Hermes?

And...

Can it be said that Thor is faster than Hyperion? Because, im pretty sure that if Hype's attack worked, it would get chalked up to Thor being slow and Hype having super-speed.

The way i see it.

Originally posted by Horrificus
just wondering, who were the other Avengers, when Thor went against Hermes?

And...

Can it be said that Thor is faster than Hyperion? Because, im pretty sure that if Hype's attack worked, it would get chalked up to Thor being slow and Hype having super-speed.

The way i see it. captain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.

Hyperion is faster than him on average, but thor can and has reacted to people traveling around light speed.

Originally posted by deathslash
captain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.



That's not how it happened. It was stated that only someone with Godly perceptions could see Hermes at that point. Thor was unable to land any hits on Hermes who went to Olympus. Thor then travelled to Olympus and caught Hermes from behind. The only notable speedster Monica was in human form.

One issue later, Monica casually outsped Hermes and even chided to try to race her.

Haha, no. That would be true if Hyperion was a speedster.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87447/1694275-speed_demo_vs_hyperion.png

That's speed Demon owning Hyperion in speed. Outside of that one incident with Gladiator, hyperion has never been depicted as a proper Speedster.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, no. That would be true if Hyperion was a speedster.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87447/1694275-speed_demo_vs_hyperion.png

That's speed Demon owning Hyperion in speed. Outside of that one incident with Gladiator, hyperion has never been depicted as a proper Speedster.
That's not the same Hyperion. That's the Hype from some microverse. That same Hype was also described moving at the "speed of thought". Not like he was trying to hurt him since they were there to recruit Whizzer.

As for the Hyperion that Thor has encountered many times, he has shown superspeed on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by deathslash
wolverine is dead. He's been replaced with his unsanctioned female clone who was also a prostitute and his sad sack of a future version of himself who was also such a dipshit that he killed all of his friends on accident. Suck it.

jesus christ man, ****ing savage

also x men origins wolverine.

Thor wins. And i predict tha he encounters and defeats Hyperion sometime in the next 2 years.
Remember i said it here.

Originally posted by deathslash
captain america, Monica rambue, she-hulk, and Dr druid. None of them even knew that hermes was there except for thor and they all thought that he was going crazy. Also, thor eventually caught up to him and took him down. Don't have the scans, but it was in avengers # 281.

This doesn't make any sense because we saw on panel that Monica is FASTER than Hermes AND she owned him :
http://s22.postimg.org/kf9z7dedp/3235812_01.jpg

As to the thread, Thor wins. CM and the entire Fawcett Crew are failures.

Originally posted by zopzop
This doesn't make any sense because we saw on panel that Monica is FASTER than Hermes AND she owned him :
http://s22.postimg.org/kf9z7dedp/3235812_01.jpg

As to the thread, Thor wins. CM and the entire Fawcett Crew are failures.
Doesn't really disprove what deathslash said. CM was faster in that scene yes, but she hit him once and he smiled about it. Fight did not continue because Artemis shot her with a magic arrow. Is she faster? Possibly. Was Hermes outmatched? Doubt it because she was ko'd before a real fight b/n them materialized.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's not the same Hyperion. That's the Hype from some microverse. That same Hype was also described moving at the "speed of thought". Not like he was trying to hurt him since they were there to recruit Whizzer.


That's the same Hyperion IIRC.

Like when?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Doesn't really disprove what deathslash said. CM was faster in that scene yes, but she hit him once and he smiled about it. Fight did not continue because Artemis shot her with a magic arrow. Is she faster? Possibly. Was Hermes outmatched? Doubt it because she was ko'd before a real fight b/n them materialized.

Monica was unable to see him in her human form. In light form she was far faster than him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Doesn't really disprove what deathslash said. CM was faster in that scene yes, but she hit him once and he smiled about it. Fight did not continue because Artemis shot her with a magic arrow. Is she faster? Possibly. Was Hermes outmatched? Doubt it because she was ko'd before a real fight b/n them materialized.
Correct me if I'm wrong, that was a sucker attack by Artemis. Didn't CM beat her in the rematch?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Monica was unable to see him in her human form. In light form she was far faster than him.
Even this is debatable. Once she knew what was going on, she even saw him in human form!
http://s24.postimg.org/6vtowfjap/2137550_avengersv1_281_15.jpg

Edit here it is again, she reacts in HUMAN form faster than Thor does. He and the rest of teh Avengers get knocked on their ass but she didn't :
http://s8.postimg.org/nt6zejeb5/932722_pulsar_photon_mvmlm0_super.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the same Hyperion IIRC.

Like when?
No. That Zhib-Ran from an alternate microverse earth. He was the template from which Grand Master cloned the Hyperion of Squadron Sinister.

Classic Hype has always had super speed. He is after all a Superman clone. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

Here he is running alongside Whizzer.
http://oi66.tinypic.com/jza1jm.jpg

Here Whizzer is pacing back and forth at superspeed, but gets interrupted a few times by Hyperion.
http://oi64.tinypic.com/4lkt46.jpg

After that scene where they talk about a foot race, Whizzer speeds away back to their hq, but Hype catches up(flying) to him anyway.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2m288xz.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2lazhhd.jpg

He also fought King Hyperion in the crystal palace(during Exiles) where he and another alt Hype were zipping around wrecking the place.

He isn't seen speeding around on foot often, but he definitely falls in the speedster category.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Monica was unable to see him in her human form. In light form she was far faster than him.
Maybe... But she was already in her light form in the park as Thor just missed Hermes..
http://i.imgur.com/n7CVCLp.jpg

Agree to disagree.. Don't really care at this point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Correct me if I'm wrong, that was a sucker attack by Artemis. Didn't CM beat her in the rematch?

Even this is debatable. Once she knew what was going on, she even saw him in human form!
http://s24.postimg.org/6vtowfjap/2137550_avengersv1_281_15.jpg

Edit here it is again, she reacts in HUMAN form faster than Thor does. He and the rest of teh Avengers get knocked on their ass but she didn't :
http://s8.postimg.org/nt6zejeb5/932722_pulsar_photon_mvmlm0_super.jpg
Yes. She was taken by surprise.

Artemis? Maybe. I don't remember.

She is fast. No one is disputing that. Just want to add Thor was debilitated by Hela's curse. Just saying..

She turned intangible there.