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Who's taking this? Superman enemy or Flash?

I'd back H'el solely on what I've seen. Apparently bfrd Flash as well.

Current Flash I'm guessing? Since post crisis Wally would be too much for H'el.

Current Flash can't speed steal, right?

This is Post Wally.

I sense major butthurt.

Originally posted by carver9
This is Post Wally.

Well okay then..do we have any reason to believe H'el could resist a speed steal?

A wise poster once said that durability and strength go hand in hand.

White Martian one shotting Supes:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654628-2.png

Even whilst weakened, was still able to restrain Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/1011820-protex_superman_1.jpg

Oh, and Primaid? Speedblitzed Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654624-1.png

Wally however, one shot a White Martian:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654640-3.png

We know how strong they are. Superman level. Therefore, their durability is also top tier.

And Wally landed just one punch, and KOed one. And was capable of sending thousands more.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A wise poster once said that durability and strength go hand in hand.

White Martian one shotting Supes:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654628-2.png

Even whilst weakened, was still able to restrain Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/1011820-protex_superman_1.jpg

Oh, and Primaid? Speedblitzed Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654624-1.png

Wally however, one shot a White Martian:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654640-3.png

We know how strong they are. Superman level. Therefore, their durability is also top tier.

And Wally landed just one punch, and KOed one. And was capable of sending thousands more.

Where's the scan of Wally oneshotting the White Martian?

I like those scans. Prove that Wonder Woman speed is the best. She blitzed a White MartIan tied him/her up before she had the chance to react.

Oh yeah. This is the perfect place to debunk some myths, in case any judges are reading.....thanks!

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Where's the scan of Wally oneshotting the White Martian?
That's the DarkSaint tactic he types something "Flash beat Anti-Monitor"
then he posts something totally different hoping nobody will check his fake links...

Originally posted by Estacado
That's the DarkSaint tactic he types something "Flash beat Anti-Monitor"
then he posts something totally different hoping nobody will check his fake links...

I will hunt you down, and I will sit on you.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3152943-imp.jpg

PD5HfM3DZt8

I sat on someone 2 days ago. It felt great.

Damn....I feel like something died inside me after watching that...

Originally posted by carver9
I like those scans. Prove that Wonder Woman speed is the best. She blitzed a White MartIan tied him/her up before she had the chance to react.

This the donkey punch she got?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3426904-1821823867-34033.jpg

Hope you're not talking about this:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/1906299-1228641_600x921.jpg

That shows nothing about WW blitzing Primaid, unless you think Batman also blitzed 3 of them?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will hunt you down, and I will sit on you.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3152943-imp.jpg

PD5HfM3DZt8
Appreciate it.

Am surprised you haven't seen it, tbh. It's the same fight where Aquaman did his famous seizure attack.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am surprised you haven't seen it, tbh. It's the same fight where Aquaman did his famous seizure attack.

One track mind. I speed through the Morrison/Waid stuff during the time I was building stuff for a composite Aquaman thread.

He had some pretty badass stuff in that run, with his sonic blunderbuss etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A wise poster once said that durability and strength go hand in hand.

White Martian one shotting Supes:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654628-2.png

Even whilst weakened, was still able to restrain Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/31666/1011820-protex_superman_1.jpg

Oh, and Primaid? Speedblitzed Superman:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654624-1.png

Wally however, one shot a White Martian:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2654640-3.png

We know how strong they are. Superman level. Therefore, their durability is also top tier.

And Wally landed just one punch, and KOed one. And was capable of sending thousands more.

Superman casually oneshotted Primaid with just a backhand one page later.



Even Kyle oneshotted a Martian. But one scene out of hundreds of comics where Flash is nigh useless and it's suddenly his average?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman casually oneshotted Primaid with just a backhand one page later.



Even Kyle oneshotted a Martian. But one scene out of hundreds of comics where Flash is nigh useless and it's suddenly his average?

I'd assume their being candles around the Martian Kyle oneshotted to be somewhat of reference honestly no recollection of the Superman thing though...

I really need to go back and take my time with some of this stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman casually oneshotted Primaid with just a backhand one page later.



Even Kyle oneshotted a Martian. But one scene out of hundreds of comics where Flash is nigh useless and it's suddenly his average? The only time the Martians didn't get one shotted was against Wonder Woman and iirc Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by One Big Mob
The only time the Martians didn't get one shotted was against Wonder Woman and iirc Martian Manhunter

That really doesn't suggest that the Kyle instance convienently had candles around the Martian though does it?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'd assume their being candles around the Martian Kyle oneshotted to be somewhat of reference honestly no recollection of the Superman thing though...

I really need to go back and take my time with some of this stuff.
Not that. Earlier, Kyle just created an armor and oneshotted a Martian.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not that. Earlier, Kyle just created an armor and oneshotted a Martian.

Don't recall that instance so can't say much on it.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
The only time the Martians didn't get one shotted was against Wonder Woman and iirc Martian Manhunter Both are useless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both are useless. Not as useless as the White Martians though. Estatic here is using Aquaman tp'ing one to try and say Aquaman could beat Superman, Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, and Darkseid though. Curious of your take on this? He makes a pretty convincing case.

https://p.dreamwidth.org/97cba5a680a2/-/i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/aaron_boruque/JLA003-10.jpg

Useless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://p.dreamwidth.org/97cba5a680a2/-/i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/aaron_boruque/JLA003-10.jpg

Useless. Missed out on the one shot in the next page. You're slipping

Haha, yeah.

Superman one shotted one (maybe two). Flash one shotted two. Aquaman one shotted one. Kyle one shotted one. It's implied Martian Manhunter beat 2. Forget if MM one shotted one. WW had a short fight against one where the martian ran out of breath.

Am I missing anything? I don't know why these ****ing things are so hyped up.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

Am I missing anything? I don't know why these ****ing things are so hyped up.

This is what you're missing:

Originally posted by carver9
Calm down bro. Durability has a lot to do with strength.


Originally posted by carver9
Lol...yes, usually the stronger someone is the more durable they are when it comes to upper tier characters.
Originally posted by carver9
the majority, the stronger you are, the more durable you are. .....


I just wanted to see carver's take here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is what you're missing:






I just wanted to see carver's take here.

Why are you trolling? That has nothing to do with this thread. Please stay on topic. You also forgot to post the part where I said sometimes that doesn't go hand and hand. Nothing is 100 percent but what I said is based off the majority. No one ever said you wouldn't find exceptions. Now please try to stay on topic. I know it can be hard to do after being crushed in a month old debate against me.

You truly can be whatever you want to be, Gary Carver Nine.

Aim high, and aim true.

Okay at this point I think there is a legit sickness that seeps into KMC and makes some people really wacky about the concept of super speed.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Not as useless as the White Martians though. Estatic here is using Aquaman tp'ing one to try and say Aquaman could beat Superman, Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, and Darkseid though. Curious of your take on this? He makes a pretty convincing case.

First off, Martian Manhunters own mental power is superior to most white martians we've seen, so Aquaman mind screwing a white martian actually doesn't mean he could mindscrew J'onn. J'onn just has better feats then the dude Aquaman mind screwed.

Yes, Aquaman's telepathy could indeed effect Superman or Black Adam..if they actually sat there and decided not to move and forgot about their super speed. When your opponents need to stand there and forget their powers and not move in order for you to achieve victory it's not much of a victory at all.

So yes, in theory Aquaman could achieve victory. Sort of like in theory you could defeat Superman if I gave you a gun with kryptonite bullets..but you still probably wouldn't actually end up defeating him.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay at this point I think there is a legit sickness that seeps into KMC and makes some people really wacky about the concept of super speed.

Except Wally has feats of actually increasing his mass towards infinity, and using it to punch someone.

Moreover, he was also stated to be able to throw a thousand before his target - who also explicitly possessed superspeed reactions - could react.

Now, Carver's next question would be, who is the most durable being he has taken out with the IMP?

Which then led me to showcase White Martian strength levels, and carver's linkage of durability to strength. It seems it's an argument that only works when it suits him, however.

Then he went off-topic with WW and her speed levels. Off-topic, in his own thread, no less!

It's not just Wally though. First with super speed it was people saying characters wouldn't use it. Then the new tactic seems to be latching on to any vague reaction feat so a characters speed won't be utilized.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay at this point I think there is a legit sickness that seeps into KMC and makes some people really wacky about the concept of super speed.
Or you take superspeed in a warped way.

This isn't CBR.

H'el ftw.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay at this point I think there is a legit sickness that seeps into KMC and makes some people really wacky about the concept of super speed.

Super speed is wacky to begin with.

Originally posted by Surtur
First off, Martian Manhunters own mental power is superior to most white martians we've seen, so Aquaman mind screwing a white martian actually doesn't mean he could mindscrew J'onn. J'onn just has better feats then the dude Aquaman mind screwed.

Yes, Aquaman's telepathy could indeed effect Superman or Black Adam..if they actually sat there and decided not to move and forgot about their super speed. When your opponents need to stand there and forget their powers and not move in order for you to achieve victory it's not much of a victory at all.

So yes, in theory Aquaman could achieve victory. Sort of like in theory you could defeat Superman if I gave you a gun with kryptonite bullets..but you still probably wouldn't actually end up defeating him.

Supposed he made them forget?