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pre-nu shiva. shiva has a promethium sword, bullseye has his deck of cards and a gun with 1 bullet. start 50m apart in a ring setting. who walks out?

Bullseye is a known woman beater. He'll have time of his life here, with this "lady".

If Lester manages to tag her with atleast one of his projectiles she's finished. Though if she manages to cross the gap without injury she murders him CQC. God match. I'm undecided

Lester is actually a good h2h combatant.

Don't kid yourself. Shiva beat the shit out of him.

Good thing he has that one bullet, he'll need it to shoot himself as he's laying on the ground broken and slowly bleeding out.

Shiva.

Shiva will kill him.

What are Shiva's best dodging feats?

Lester has shot Matt himself.

The 50m means that Bullseye takes this.

If both had a sword, this would be even. Shiva stomps this due to having a weapon that will deal significant damage once she close the distance.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The 50m means that Bullseye takes this.

if i gave both only swords, she would kill him in seconds. he'd need to throw it as he couldn't hope to match her with a sword for more than a few seconds and she could parry it easily with her own sword. depends on whether you think she's fast enough to deflect his cards and close. matt's done it, i think she could do the same--or deflect most and get in close with only some damage. he'd need to really weaken her to win in cqc imo.

Originally posted by carver9


Your erectile dysfunction is well-known, no need to announce it here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lester is actually a good h2h combatant.
Yes. His long fights with DP, DD and Elektra are enough to prove that. However, Shiva is, even if barely, above those 3 in skill. Only Elektra is comparable. And Lester is below those 3 in stats and skill. He can kill her from range, but he is never ever beating her in CQC.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What are Shiva's best dodging feats?

Lester has shot Matt himself.
I was pondering that too

If he lands his weapons, his chances of winning grow. If he happens to miss, he loses. He'll put up a fight though. His h2h skills are not to be underestimated. Great damage soak as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What are Shiva's best dodging feats?

Lester has shot Matt himself. Just the standard stuff ei avoiding gun fire. She's supposedly as fast as Batgirl and Sensei but we never really see here do anything except for fight other characters

But yeah, at range it's going to be a sh*t show.

Imo Bullseye has better chance throwing the bullets than shooting them. Bullets are too slow compared to Bullseye's projectiles

Like when he kod DD with a paper airplane
http://www.theothermurdockpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/paper-plane-ish-141.jpg

Or like when he took out Punisher with a similar move
http://s4.postimg.org/5192lmshl/pvb_duck_01.jpg

http://s4.postimg.org/552w1vxyx/pvb_duck_02.jpg

http://s4.postimg.org/f4xshs989/pvb_duck_03.jpg

http://s4.postimg.org/qza4t5wvt/pvb_duck_04.jpg

Lester is so underrated, still don't see him winning here though.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Lester is so underrated, still don't see him winning here though.

But if it was naked Pym w/o powers/tech/brains, you'd still find a way for him to win.

With or without pimp articles.

Not to dump on Bullseye, but I don't think that he's on Shiva's level. I'd give him better odds against Deadshot as that would be a fight more within the realm of his ability. I'd give her a 90% chance of closing the distance with him within the first 5 seconds. Then I'd give her a 90% chance of beating the shit out of him within the remaining 55. Not too sure that I'd give Bullseye the win against Batgirl either. No offense.

Shiva would absolutely murder Bullseye close up, and while I do think shell take a hit or two getting to him, shes fast, agile and tough enough to do so more than not, and even wounded she could demolish Bullseye hand to hand. Shiva wins this.

Unless Shiva has some OMG dodging powers, Bullseye kills her with a toothpick
http://s31.postimg.org/6md4zr36f/ddtarget8.jpg

http://s31.postimg.org/gm81fnefr/ddtarget9.jpg

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Unless Shiva has some OMG dodging powers, Bullseye kills her with a toothpick
http://s31.postimg.org/6md4zr36f/ddtarget8.jpg

http://s31.postimg.org/gm81fnefr/ddtarget9.jpg

She has movement reading like her daughter cass Caine. She can basically see where your going to throw the punch/slash wepon before you take aim. She'd have any wepon dodged before Lester released it.

it's not like bullseye hasn't missed before ffs. matt routinely deflects and dodges his sh!t, cap has easily blocked a bunched of his sh!t as well. it's not like he's insta-kill just because he gets to throw....

Originally posted by leonidas
matt routinely deflects and dodges his sh!t

And he was helpless and scared shitless against the handgun w/ 1 bullet...

scared? lol it happened so fast he didn't have time to be scared..... bullseye resorted to the gun because even he knew matt was his superior and he needed the gun to even things up, even though it was basically ooc for him to use it. if shiva has the same body reading as cass, the gun wouldn't matter, but i was curious if anyone could prove it, or had scans (aside from narration and abc feats) that could prove she could dodge. imo, she could avoid it, or avoid a killing blow and get in close to end him, but finding on-panel feats for her isn't exactly easy....

Nah, we see Matt's shocked face and him backing off...

.... or maybe not.

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/17856/1246990-daredevilv2005_14.jpg

Where the hell is the full scene...

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Unless Shiva has some OMG dodging powers, Bullseye kills her with a toothpick
http://s31.postimg.org/6md4zr36f/ddtarget8.jpg

http://s31.postimg.org/gm81fnefr/ddtarget9.jpg

She dodged Shadow dragon, iirc. He was able to easily evade superman. Her fight with Cass was also awesome. Shiva takes Bullseye.

Bullseye's greatest feats involve DD and Elektra, the later of the two primarily because he spent months fighting holograms of Elektra's recorded moves.

Shiva has taken on Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, etc. She's in a whole different weight class than Bullseye. She rips out his spine.

Hell, the last time he fought Elektra (who was drugged, poisoned, sleep deprived, and injured) he had Hawkeye's whole arsenal at his disposal and she blew up the bullet he tossed at her in his face with her sai and then ran him throught with one of his own arrows.

Behold. Biggest female character supporter of all time, Konton.

Bullseye rams his adamantium skull in her pussy, knocking her out.

She delivers a lepord blow through her labia and he dies anyway.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
.... or maybe not.

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/17856/1246990-daredevilv2005_14.jpg

Where the hell is the full scene...

i have the whole thing somewhere and i know it's online. he shoots dd through the shoulder and beats him up some. never figured why dd didn't read the pull of the trigger and dodge or swat the bullet like he's done so many times..... good aim doesn't make the bullet move faster, nor does it prevent dd from reading him.

I own the comic. One of my favorite modern DD stories.

Bullseye is skilled enough not to telegraph his shot, I guess... but I know what you mean.

It's comics. Thugs carrying knives or a pistols will always fail, but someone like Kraven or Bullseye will do miracles with such basic weapons.

I think I've seen that scan with Bulleye shooting Daredevil, can someone explain the context of that comic or that fight at least?