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Who wins?

Reverse Flash. Spidey is fast but Thawne is way faster, and he can just phase his hand into Spidey's head or chest.

Reverse Flash shit stomps.

Idk if he can damage someone as durable as Spidey with a phase, remember the difference the Goblin bomb did between Harry and Peter. There is a solid chance Thawne's hand is the thing damaged.

Spider-Man's got no answer to phasing. But he could probably handle the rest of Reverse Flash's speed powers.

So yeah RF takes it by phasing.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Idk if he can damage someone as durable as Spidey with a phase, remember the difference the Goblin bomb did between Harry and Peter. There is a solid chance Thawne's hand is the thing damaged.

Reverse Flash has phased through tougher things than regular human flesh without any harm. Burden of proof is on you to show that Spiderman's durability will protect him from a hand through the brain or heart, and then to further prove that it would actually hurt Thawne.

Tobey Spidey although good, get his ass beat

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Reverse Flash has phased through tougher things than regular human flesh without any harm. Burden of proof is on you to show that Spiderman's durability will protect him from a hand through the brain or heart, and then to further prove that it would actually hurt Thawne. what has he damaged with phasing that is above Spiderman? Spidey took a Goblin Bomb to the face, in the same movie it vaporized normal people and even the Harry Goblin took severe damage from one.

And Reverse Flash has taken a hit from Firestorm IIRC. That's without phasing.

Plus Reverse Flash is simply faster than Spider-Man, not to mention he can give Spidey that super sonic punch.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
what has he damaged with phasing that is above Spiderman? Spidey took a Goblin Bomb to the face, in the same movie it vaporized normal people and even the Harry Goblin took severe damage from one.

Nope, doesn't work like that. We know RF can phase attack. We know he can phase through various things. We know that the whole point of a phase attack is to bypass stronger areas to reach more vulnerable spots. We've also seen that phasing has more to do with hitting the right speed and frequency than the toughness of the object. First time Thawne teaches Barry to go intangible, he still runs through a gas truck without issues.

So again, you made the claim Spiderman's durability can somehow counter phasing attacks (even though phasing has only been countered by unique circumstances, like the special cuff Thawne had, or the varying frequencies of the two Earths), and to such a degree that it would actually hurt Thawne, so you have to back it up. The bomb proves nothing, as RF's hand will just pass through Spidey's tougher layers, being intangible and all (you understand what intangibility means right?).

And as Darth Thor pointed out, RF took hits from Firestorm, and a massive drop off the roof of Star Labs IIRC, plus he is still a lot faster than Spiderman. And, unlike the season 1 Barry, RF doesn't job in fights.

RV kills Spidey easy

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Nope, doesn't work like that. We know RF can phase attack. We know he can phase through various things. We know that the whole point of a phase attack is to bypass stronger areas to reach more vulnerable spots. We've also seen that phasing has more to do with hitting the right speed and frequency than the toughness of the object. First time Thawne teaches Barry to go intangible, he still runs through a gas truck without issues.

So again, you made the claim Spiderman's durability can somehow counter phasing attacks (even though phasing has only been countered by unique circumstances, like the special cuff Thawne had, or the varying frequencies of the two Earths), and to such a degree that it would actually hurt Thawne, so you have to back it up. The bomb proves nothing, as RF's hand will just pass through Spidey's tougher layers, being intangible and all (you understand what intangibility means right?).

And as Darth Thor pointed out, RF took hits from Firestorm, and a massive drop off the roof of Star Labs IIRC, plus he is still a lot faster than Spiderman. And, unlike the season 1 Barry, RF doesn't job in fights. So you agree he has never used it on anyone with any level of super durability? Lol at trying to make Spidey out as some egg man, he got smashed around by all manner of things and never suffered only internal damage and concussions.

Ok, at what level was Firestorms attack? Certainly wasn't nuclear bomb level as it didn't level anything when it missed. Do you think RF could tank the Goblin bomb? Not dodge it, not phase past it... Just tank it?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
So you agree he has never used it on anyone with any level of super durability? Lol at trying to make Spidey out as some egg man, he got smashed around by all manner of things and never suffered only internal damage and concussions.

So you admit that you have zero evidence to prove your speculation? Fact is there is absolutely nothing shown in The Flash to suggest Spiderman's durability would hamper phasing whatsoever. No one is making Spiderman out to be some egg man either. You just seem to fail to grasp that a phasing attack will allow Thawne to directly strike at vital organs, nerves etc. without needing to deal with Spiderman's overall toughness. By all means, prove not only that Spiderman can tank getting a finger jabbed into his brain at super speed (we know from Thawne crushing Cisco's heart inside his chest, and Jay phasing a bullet out of Wells, that speedsters can selectively make certain bits intangible while leaving other bits solid), but that it would actually hurt Reverse Flash instead. Oh wait, you can't.

Basically, you have nothing to support your claim, as it is never shown or stated in the show that something like that would affect a phasing attack. Because using your logic, Vison can't damage Spiderman via phasing either, because he only caused physical damage to Ultron bots, who don't have Spiderman's overall durability showings either. But I highly doubt you would ever try to make that argument.


Originally posted by Henry_Pym

Ok, at what level was Firestorms attack? Certainly wasn't nuclear bomb level as it didn't level anything when it missed. Do you think RF could tank the Goblin bomb? Not dodge it, not phase past it... Just tank it?

Who said Thawne is as durable as Spiderman? No one. Nice job trying to deflect though. And exactly why would he choose to tank it in anyways, when he is more than fast enough to avoid it? And we saw that Firestorm has enough power to easily blast through the thick doors on Rip's ship. We've also seen his attacks cause explosions on impact before. RF actually took the one blast full on during the final battle against Flash, Firestorm and Arrow, and then dropped several stories onto a car, crushing it, only to be back on his feet moments later. So he is certainly durable enough to take a few hits, if Spidey can even manage to land any.

Anyway, I don't expect you to actually provide any genuine substantial evidence to back your claim (seeing as it has been multiple posts without any), and the mass consensus is that Reverse Flash wins. So I am done here.

So in your oppinion Thawne could kill Christopher Reeve's Superman? He has no feats of surviving a phased poke to the brain? Nice hissy fit though at the end, I know I brought up a point impossible to rebuke, it may happen in the future with Zoom or even Barry. At which point we can look to see if RF could replicate it.

On to your points, Vision never hurt a human with his phasing at all, but he is made out of vibranium which has far better durability feats than Spidey. Spidey stopped a runaway subway, his strength feats are so much higher than anyone in Arrow/Flashverse.

Nice strawman. Reeves Superman has durability well beyond Spiderman, as well as a ton of plot-induced powers that Spiderman never displays. No hissy fit either. Fact is the evidence is on my side. You have nothing but hot air.

And RF was going to kill Flash with phasing in the end of season 1. Flash who is also a speedster with similar powers, and has shown enhanced durability/healing on several occasions (like taking hits from Atom Smasher, Grodd, being struck by various blasts, lightning bolts etc.). And even ignoring phasing, Spidey doesn't even have an answer to RF doing something more mundane, like just stabbing him in the eyes with his fingers at superspeed.

Reverse Flash wins, no matter how you keep crying.

I love me some Spidey, but he gets stomped to hell here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Nice strawman. Reeves Superman has durability well beyond Spiderman, as well as a ton of plot-induced powers that Spiderman never displays. No hissy fit either. Fact is the evidence is on my side. You have nothing but hot air.

And RF was going to kill Flash with phasing in the end of season 1. Flash who is also a speedster with similar powers, and has shown enhanced durability/healing on several occasions (like taking hits from Atom Smasher, Grodd, being struck by various blasts, lightning bolts etc.). And even ignoring phasing, Spidey doesn't even have an answer to RF doing something more mundane, like just stabbing him in the eyes with his fingers at superspeed.

Reverse Flash wins, no matter how you keep crying. okay, so at what arbitrary level of durability would you say the a Phase brain poke stops working?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
okay, so at what arbitrary level of durability would you say the a Phase brain poke stops working?

Any level generally deemed "indestructible" would get iffy for obvious reasons.

But not just anyone whose "strong."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Any level generally deemed "indestructible" would get iffy for obvious reasons.

But not just anyone whose "strong." Tobey had a handful of cuts from a blast that vaporized humans. I think you are really undercutting the durability. No to mention tanking all of Sandman's hits who was the size of an apartment complex.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Tobey had a handful of cuts from a blast that vaporized humans. I think you are really undercutting the durability. No to mention tanking all of Sandman's hits who was the size of an apartment complex.


He was durable, yes. As is Reverse Flash (not to the same extent but he is also very durable).

But Spidey was not even close to being indestructible. He was cut pretty easily by those Goblin flying cutting objects. So I see no reason why he'd suddenly be indestructible against Phasing power from a villain whose also got great durability but is also much faster than Spidey. No reason at all.

We have no idea what those Goblin blades are made of, but we know what the bombs do to normal people and he was durable enough to crush the front of a subway car without major damage.

Zoom tanked a fireball of indiscriminate power and fell a few stories. Parker did the latter depowered.

So what you just going to pretend those blades were adamantium or something now?

Nice all you're left with is to lowball RF's great durability showing

I can't believe he's arguing that the bombs Goblin used on Spidey was the same ones that vaporized humans. Goblin was shown to be using two bombs. One which did no harm to the surroundings but skeletonized those standing near it but without fire, heat smoke or anything else , just a flash of light. The other one looked like a normal bomb akin to a dynamite which is what Hobby used on Spidey imo

^ Was about to get to that point as well, that how do we know they were the same bombs. But look like you've nailed it.

So in both your opinions Goblin held back against Spiderman? I don't want to strawman your arguments?

No, we are simply being logical instead of agreeing to your extrapolations with no credibility

My credibility being what was shown in the movie and your assumptions being you extrapolated they are different based on collateral damage?

Projecting much?

RF for sure.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
So in both your opinions Goblin held back against Spiderman?



Throwing a bomb at someone's face is holding back?


Although from the movie did seem like he wanted to torture Parker before killing him.

That he chose to throw weaker bombs at Parker?

In the last fight, sure one he knew it was Parker.

Reverse Flash.

Spidey is TOO slow for Eobard .

Eobard is a genius , he will have too many ways and a lot of time too kill Spidey.

Not Spiderman