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Season 1 Canon Ventress (No Legends feats)

Vs.

Ven Zallow

Force sabers all out

Assuming some parity in abilities between Legends and Canon characters, I'd give it to Ventress. Zallow is formidable for his era, but his era is weak next to the PT.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Zallow is formidable for his era, but his era is weak next to the PT.

Lmfao.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Lmfao.

Don't worry, you'll see the light eventually.

Valkorion/Arcann/Thexan/Vaylin/protags/Revan/Malgus/Dread Masters/Soa/World Razer/Jadus/etc >> PT.

lol

Vader would oneshot Fraudiate.

>Vader
>PT
> iwin

Vader was in RotS...

He wasn't good till he was black.

I like this fight, I might saaaaaay OMG nevermind.....Season 1 Ventress no Legeds.....Bahhh Im out of this.

Zallow.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Zallow.

Ventress.

Ventress wins

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Zallow.

Wait, I didn't notice it was season 1 Ventress, then Zallow,but it's definitely close

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Wait, I didn't notice it was season 1 Ventress, then Zallow,but it's definitely close

Remember Ventress by Season 1 stalemated Kenobi.

Getting disarmed of both her weapons and constantly verbally berated throughout the entirety of the duel is considered a stalemate? Fascinating.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Getting disarmed of both her weapons and constantly verbally berated throughout the entirety of the duel is considered a stalemate? Fascinating.

Considering verbal sparring has nothing to do with combat effectiveness and she managed to disarm Kenobi of his blade... Yes.

https://youtu.be/e14jJ1KxiDQ

He didn't seem to be taking her very seriously which is the point.

And while disarming him was impressive she still failed to kill him when he was unarmed lol

Also I believe there's a quote regarding Kenobi vs. Ventress saying that Kenobi was easily fending her off or something. I think Zoltan knows of it.

Regardless, the result of their duel was inarguably not a stalemate.

That's your theory then which you're free to have. Obi Wan sounds like that throughout the whole movie however even during negotiations with the General when he's surrounded by enemy forces and trying to stall for time. That's just how he was portrayed at that point until his personality was more developed in the CGI series.

Obi Wan has impressive unarmed combat skills then.

Will need to see that for myself.

Until you can provide the quote or prove your theory it effectively was.

As much as a stalemate as Luminara being taken down and only living because a padawan saved her.

Originally posted by Syndicate
That's your theory then which you're free to have. Obi Wan sounds like that throughout the whole movie however even during negotiations with the General when he's surrounded by enemy forces and trying to stall for time. That's just how he was portrayed at that point until his personality was more developed in the CGI series.

Obi Wan has impressive unarmed combat skills then.

Will need to see that for myself.

Until you can provide the quote or prove your theory it effectively was. He was being very sarcastic and playful during the negotiations, so he it kind of proves my point about his tone in the duel suggesting he wasn't taking it too seriously.

No, it wasn't. This is the definition of stalemate: a position counting as a draw, in which a player is not in check but cannot move except into check.

Ventress losing both her weapons and fleeing is not a stalemate.

Also, I'll see if I can get the quote later on

Originally posted by |King Joker|
He was being very sarcastic and playful during the negotiations, so he it kind of proves my point about his tone in the duel suggesting he wasn't taking it too seriously.

No, it wasn't. This is the definition of stalemate: a position counting as a draw, in which a player is not in check but cannot move except into check.

Ventress losing both her weapons and fleeing is not a stalemate.

Also, I'll see if I can get the quote later on

So your argument is he wasn't taking any of the events throughout the entirety of the movie seriously? You're free to hold that opinion I guess but you'll forgive me if I just think that's his tone/personality at that point as an original undeveloped work.

I don't now how you define it but a majority of debaters I have seen along with myself believe it's when two foes are evenly matched.

Kenobi disarmed her and she disarmed Kenobi. They performed equally well against eachother.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Remember Ventress by Season 1 stalemated Kenobi. Isn't Season 1 set only a few months after AotC ? I think Ven would beat AotC Kenobi, so , unless Kenobi has improved significantly between AotC ans Season 1, I couls still see him beat Ventress.

We don't know how much he's improved by the TCW movie though the novel mentions he and Anakin had established a rhythm in battle. Meaning it had been going long enough for the famous Anakin/Obi Wan teamwork to begin kicking in.

They may have a rhythm, but it's a shit rhythm for actually overwhelming someone. I suppose it works well for attrition, but then again Ventress dueled them only briefly on Christophsis.

Ventress contended very well with Anakin in ARC Troopers so I'm inclined to say she takes the win here.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ventress contended very well with Anakin in ARC Troopers so I'm inclined to say she takes the win here.
Was that not a season 3 arc?

Edit: never mind, checked chronological episode order. I'd still give it to Zallow, Anakin at this point is still noticeably pre-prime.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Was that not a season 3 arc?

Edit: never mind, checked chronological episode order. I'd still give it to Zallow, Anakin at this point is still noticeably pre-prime.

Except he has a physical strength edge over her which is particular effective against Makashi along with a form advantage.

Ven Zallow

I don't see Ventress as of season 1 defeating or holding her own against Decieved Malgus.

Zoltan do u have the quote

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Isn't Season 1 set only a few months after AotC ? I think Ven would beat AotC Kenobi, so , unless Kenobi has improved significantly between AotC ans Season 1, I couls still see him beat Ventress.

Not sure. Its certainly been some time into the war considering Anakin has his scar and is no longer a Padawan.

Beni said 7 weeks iirc

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Zoltan do u have the quote

What quote?

There's a quote about Kenobi fending off Ventress in TCW Movie easily or something I thought you had?

Edit: Ah, gewd.

Fair enough then Joker.

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