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Can Cap and WS defeat Doom?

I dont think so, no.

No

Doom would kill them with his bare hands

Originally posted by tkitna
No

Cap and bucky get fried

Another thread by the king of butt-hurt.

You are so lame Silent just pitful.

You're so butt-hurt, do you cry yourself to sleep every night?

Cap and Bucky have a distinct edge in skill... and it is going to make absolutely no difference to the result of this match. Doom stomps.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Cap and Bucky have a distinct edge in skill... and it is going to make absolutely no difference to the result of this match. Doom stomps.

It's almost like the thread starter knew that and purposely made a spite/bait thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's almost like the thread starter knew that and purposely made a spite/bait thread.

Yeah, I personally don't see how anyone could feel Cap and Bucky have a genuine shot here, when extended exposure to sun surface temperatures was the only thing that even slowed Doom down. And anyone who can hit hard enough to give the Thing pause (when the guy casually shoulder checks trucks) is going to hurt those two badly. And that's not even getting into the lightning, which would likely do a serious amount of damage to Bucky's arm, if that shock disc Widow used to temporarily disable it is any indication. And that's not even considering what it would do to exposed flesh.

But there have been a lot of nonsensical matches made in recent times.

**** I need to rewatch those fight scenes from the early FF films. When did Victor withstand temperatures like that?

Originally posted by carthage
**** I need to rewatch those fight scenes from the early FF films. When did Victor withstand temperatures like that? When Johnny Storm melted his "skin".

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're so butt-hurt, do you cry yourself to sleep every night?

I cry they let retarded people like you loose to infect us with your ignorance.

Did he melt his skin or super heat it?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I personally don't see how anyone could feel Cap and Bucky have a genuine shot here, when extended exposure to sun surface temperatures was the only thing that even slowed Doom down. And anyone who can hit hard enough to give the Thing pause (when the guy casually shoulder checks trucks) is going to hurt those two badly. And that's not even getting into the lightning, which would likely do a serious amount of damage to Bucky's arm, if that shock disc Widow used to temporarily disable it is any indication. And that's not even considering what it would do to exposed flesh.

But there have been a lot of nonsensical matches made in recent times.

The little kid also reported me for pointing out this was a bait/spite thread.

I report you spamming with BS

Golem just block that loser bro

Originally posted by golem370
I report you spamming with BS

Otherwise known as pointing out your butt-hurt.

You come in my thread spamming and talk trash you are just like Quan so I will tell you like I told him I don't want to be the third in your human centipede sex games.

Originally posted by golem370
You come in my thread spamming and talk trash you are just like Quan so I will tell you like I told him I don't want to be the third in your human centipede sex games. You don't have a choice.

Originally posted by golem370
You come in my thread spamming and talk trash you are just like Quan so I will tell you like I told him I don't want to be the third in your human centipede sex games.

Again, by spam you really mean I pointed out that this spite/bait thread was created because of your butt-hurt.

Originally posted by carthage
**** I need to rewatch those fight scenes from the early FF films. When did Victor withstand temperatures like that?

It was during the final fight. They idiotically called it "supernova" flame but, based on the temperature readings Torch was giving of when he did it in the containment chamber Reed built, his high end temperatures were around the surface temperature of the Sun. Though in the context of this match, still impressive. Doom was exposed to that level of heat for several seconds, and in the end it only started to melt/heat him up, but he was still mobile and talking. It was rapidly cooling his limbs again, after that intense heat, which locked his joints into place, turning him into a metal statue.

But Bucky and Cap do not have that level of heat or cold on hand, so it won't help them even remotely.

Originally posted by golem370
I cry they let retarded people like you loose to infect us with your ignorance.

When everyone here has said you are an idiot, accept it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, by spam you really mean I pointed out that this spite/bait thread was created because of your butt-hurt.

You seek me out so you want to troll me because if I was butt-hurt I would follow you around and talk trash. You are a Troll you just fussy because your mom took away her milk.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When everyone here has said you are an idiot, accept it.


I accept you're a buster a chump a waste of life a piss ant.

Originally posted by golem370
I accept you're a buster a chump a waste of life a piss ant.

Look who's mad now for getting called a butt hurt bum chum.

Originally posted by golem370
I cry they let retarded people like you loose to infect us with your ignorance.

Irony, since you made a thread full of ignorance and stupidity.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When everyone here has said you are an idiot, accept it.

Originally posted by golem370
I accept you're a buster a chump a waste of life a piss ant. You really go too far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really go too far.

He makes these idiotic threads and then when we call him out, he lashes out with hate.

Nobody is "seeking you out". You appear to have what is commonly referred to as a persecution complex.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He makes these idiotic threads and then when we call him out, he lashes out with hate. How did he survive this long under my radar ? I can't believe he got away with his cowardice and double standards for this long. No more I say thee nay!!

The battle lines have been drawn.

LMAO

But seriously, if this was not some kind of spite thread, please indulge me Golem. What did you think Cap and Bucky could actually do to stop Doom?

It took the entire FF working together, exploiting the environment, and using things Cap/Bucky don't have access to (sun temp flames and a strategically placed hydrant) to stop him.

Even noob Thing was strong enough to drag around fully loaded firetrucks, yet his blows didn't do anything to Doom. Hell, even in FF2, when Doom makes his return after the London Eye fiasco, Thing slams him into a concrete wall hard enough to crater it, and Doom again takes no actual damage. And after he gets stripped of SS's power at the end of the film, Ben knocks him hundreds of yards away, into a lake, with an enormous wrecking ball, yet we still see him conscious and limbs moving as he sinks to the bottom.

So how was the team going to take him out?

Can he defeat them he is slower then Cap and WS plus Cap can deflect energy blasts from Doom and turn the blasts on him.

Quan, Silent, & Time are mean girls. You talk trash like high school teenage girls.

Originally posted by golem370
Can he defeat them he is slower then Cap and WS plus Cap can deflect energy blasts from Doom and turn the blasts on him.

He is slower but not so slow that he won't get his hands on them eventually. And he is a lot stronger and more durable than either. Also, Cap's shield can stop lightning, assuming he can actually block every single blast directed at him which, considering the speed electricity travels, is going to be pushing it. And there is no evidence he could actually deflect the lightning blast back at Doom (lightning doesn't quite operate like a repulsor blast), and even if he could, it would have no effect, considering we literally see Doom draw power from the city, and huge arcs of electricity shooting into his body, only powering him up further.

So your argument is that Cap is going to essentially solo Doom (as Bucky has no shield here) with Doom's own powers, which Doom has shown immunity to?

Originally posted by Mindset
You don't have a choice. Wtf you never invite me to your human centipede sexapades

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really go too far.

If you don't want to talk like adults then quit picking fights with one. I don't care for your bullshit either of you, you are pissing me off when you pick a fight with someone that might happen, you keep talking trash and you going to piss me off more. Create thread debate on other peoples thread but leave me alone the three of you.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He is slower but not so slow that he won't get his hands on them eventually. And he is a lot stronger and more durable than either. Also, Cap's shield can stop lightning, assuming he can actually block every single blast directed at him which, considering the speed electricity travels, is going to be pushing it. And there is no evidence he could actually deflect the lightning blast back at Doom (lightning doesn't quite operate like a repulsor blast), and even if he could, it would have no effect, considering we literally see Doom draw power from the city, and huge arcs of electricity shooting into his body, only powering him up further.

So your argument is that Cap is going to essentially solo Doom (as Bucky has no shield here) with Doom's own powers, which Doom has shown immunity to?

Did I say Cap would solo? I am saying if neither can get the k.o the n it would be a stalemate. I wilp concede the team lose.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He is slower but not so slow that he won't get his hands on them eventually. And he is a lot stronger and more durable than either. Also, Cap's shield can stop lightning, assuming he can actually block every single blast directed at him which, considering the speed electricity travels, is going to be pushing it. And there is no evidence he could actually deflect the lightning blast back at Doom (lightning doesn't quite operate like a repulsor blast), and even if he could, it would have no effect, considering we literally see Doom draw power from the city, and huge arcs of electricity shooting into his body, only powering him up further.

So your argument is that Cap is going to essentially solo Doom (as Bucky has no shield here) with Doom's own powers, which Doom has shown immunity to?

As you've noticed, he doesn't have a sound argument, he just doesn't want to admit this was spite/bait thread.

Originally posted by golem370
Did I say Cap would solo? I am saying if neither can get the k.o the n it would be a stalemate. I wilp concede the team lose.


Well it'd be impossible for them to KO him. Thing couldn't do it with full swings and he was extremely strong to a level Cap wouldn't even begin to get close to. For example, if Cap tried to hold up the London Eye, he'd be pulped.

Also, Doom can either electrocute them with a high enough voltage to burn holes clean through them. Or he could just beat them to death as he is immune to their ways of doing damage and he's strong enough to tangle with Grimm in h2h.

Was Doom strong enough or just durable enough. Doom show no feats of strength that compare to Thing's feats.

Errr... he was grappling with the Thing and more than holding his own. How was he going to do that if he didn't have comparable strength? Thing would have completely manhandled him otherwise. And if you are saying Cap uses his shield to bounce a blast back, then you are basically saying he solos, as WS is just a spectator here, with no way to make a meaningful contribution.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well it'd be impossible for them to KO him. Thing couldn't do it with full swings and he was extremely strong to a level Cap wouldn't even begin to get close to. For example, if Cap tried to hold up the London Eye, he'd be pulped.

Not just that. Cap can hold a car from dropping off a ledge. Ben can pull an entire firetruck back onto a bridge. Cap can toss a motorcycle to wreck a military jeep. Ben can toss a car so hard that it flies several yards, hits Doom, send them flying another several yards into a bus, with still enough force to send the bus skidding another couple dozen feet. Ben >>>>> Cap in strength, and anyone who can hang with Ben in H2H and not get totally manhandled and tossed about would be too.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As you've noticed, he doesn't have a sound argument, he just doesn't want to admit this was spite/bait thread.

Yeah, I have not seen him make any kind of solid argument for the team. Anyone who watched the films knows they can't KO him, and reflecting lightning back on a guy who can generate, absorb and project it seems like an absolutely horrible idea.

Cap's shield also doesn't reflect lightning like you've pointed out. Thor hit it with a full Jotunheim strike and while a bit lightning bounced off along with the shockwave the reverb effect the shield produced, it's not like he can angle it and bounce it back like solid, focused energy attacks.

But yeah, we can say it does, it'll be like charging Doom back up with the exact amount of energy he just blasted at them.

His durability can keep him in the fight just like Cap stay in the fight with Ultron because he was no way close to Ultro n in strength but his damage soak/durability kept him fighting.

Originally posted by golem370
His durability can keep him in the fight just like Cap stay in the fight with Ultron because he was no way close to Ultro n in strength but his damage soak/durability kept him fighting.

Yeah no. Big difference there. When Cap and Ultron matched brute strength, Ultron was usually able to get the upper hand. When Doom and Ben were grappling, they were basically a match for each other. I mean hell, Ben can easily tank getting hit by a truck, but Doom's hits could send him flying and the harder ones even seemed to stun him. Just based on that, you can tell that he had to be extremely strong. And by all means, what exactly did that version of Ultron Prime do to suggest he was significantly stronger than Cap? Stronger sure, but what makes you think there was an enormous gap there? What did he physically do that was so far beyond Steve? Not to mention it was way more than just damage soak that kept Steve in there. His shield, plus his speed, agility and H2H skill advantage helped him a lot too.

I mean really, it doesn't get much more obvious than that. If Ben can get hit by a truck and remain totally unmoved, but Doom can literally send him flying with a hard hit, what does that tell you about Doom's strength/striking power?

Ultron Prime's strength feats were some scraps with Iron Man in the air, but it was mostly slamming into one another and energy blasts.

While like Vault said, Ben and Doom were powerhouses. Remember in Silver Surfer when that 8 foot thick, multi-ton vault door got blown across the building by Doom flexing his new cosmic powers? It slammed Ben a few feet into a stone wall enough to make an imprint of his body and completely flatten Reed behind him.. All he said was "ow", then pulled himself free with no injuries.

Well, he did remark that that one "actually hurt", but, like you said, more in the brief "ow" sense, than actual damage. Earlier in that same movie, Ben takes a spinning helicopter tail rotor blade to the face without any kind of damage either (and the same cannot be said for the rotor).

He was actually unable to do any genuine harm to Tony slamming into him, so his strength couldn't have been that great.

The London Eye once again comes to mind. Even though he had the strength to hold it up, his body had to have the endurance to withstand the thousands of tons of pressure being rested mainly on his shoulders.

And yeah, Ultron was strong, but not uberly so in that version. Although being several hundred pounds of high end metal and polymer would make you a decent battering ram flying around at high speeds.

Those should still imo be many times stronger then Cap just like imo Thing was many times stronger. Dr Doom durability feat show him able to withstand incredible amounts of damage where as his strength feats do not show him being close to Thing's strength level. People usually assume Juggernaut and Thanos are in the same level of strength as Hulk or Thor why because they can stand toe to toe with those character not because they are seen lifting 10s or 100s of thousands of tons like Thor or the Hulk have done which is my point just because Doom can hang with Thing doesn't mean he close to Thing's strength level it is because he is so durable Thing can't defeat him physically.

Durability feats
Withstanding Supernova heat
Withstand blasts from SS

Strength feats
Smacking Ben 10s of feet.

How did this even reach 3 pages?

Originally posted by golem370
Those should still imo be many times stronger then Cap just like imo Thing was many times stronger. Dr Doom durability feat show him able to withstand incredible amounts of damage where as his strength feats do not show him being close to Thing's strength level. People usually assume Juggernaut and Thanos are in the same level of strength as Hulk or Thor why because they can stand toe to toe with those character not because they are seen lifting 10s or 100s of thousands of tons like Thor or the Hulk have done which is my point just because Doom can hang with Thing doesn't mean he close to Thing's strength level it is because he is so durable Thing can't defeat him physically.

Durability feats
Withstanding Supernova heat
Withstand blasts from SS

Strength feats
Smacking Ben 10s of feet.

Sorry, but posts like this is why you get insulted and very few people take you seriously. If it was pure durability it would have been a case of Doom simply getting ragdolled the entire time, but not getting KO'd. The fact that you can not seem to grasp this is beyond me. And the fact that you try to bring up Juggernaut and Thanos of all people in support of your argument is just facepalm-worthy.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Sorry, but posts like this is why you get insulted and very few people take you seriously. If it was pure durability it would have been a case of Doom simply getting ragdolled the entire time, but not getting KO'd. The fact that you can not seem to grasp this is beyond me. And the fact that you try to bring up Juggernaut and Thanos of all people in support of your argument is just facepalm-worthy.

He basically just admitted to knowingly putting Cap and WS against someone that he considers too durable for the Thing to even injure. I'd say that is fairly concrete proof that this was intended to be spite/bait.

You produce any other feat besides him fighting Thing that shows as an equal Thing strength wise there is none!!

Originally posted by Silent Master
He basically just admitted to knowingly putting Cap and WS against someone that he considers too durable for the Thing to even injure. I'd say that is fairly concrete proof that this was intended to be spite/bait.


Unless you hear me say or read me say I am making a spite thread or a bait then open your mouth stay out of my threads and stfu.

If you don't want people to point out that you're making spite/bait threads, all you have to do is stop making them.

Well you are flat lying in you previous comment. Unless you can say I said I made a bait thread then you're just talking out your ass.

Originally posted by golem370
You produce any other feat besides him fighting Thing that shows as an equal Thing strength wise there is none!!

If you are going to refuse to see reason and logic, and continue with this nonsense, despite all the evidence presented, then there really is no point to this in anyways.

And SM is right. Your continued focus on Doom's durability is basically admitting you made a spite thread the team can not win. What's even more laughable is you demand pure strength feats for Doom, but make outlandish claims of how Cap is going to bounce lighting bolts back at him, with nothing at all to back that up.

But I will indulge your idiocy one last time. Let's say that, despite everything we see onscreen, Thing is several times stronger than Doom (even though there is absolutely zero evidence proving this)... Ben can withstand the force of a truck ramming into him at speed and remain unmoved. When Doom hits him hard, he goes flying i.e. Doom appears to pack significantly more punch than the truck did. How many hits like that can Cap or Bucky take? Not many. So they will get beaten down. End of story.

Originally posted by golem370
Well you are flat lying in you previous comment. Unless you can say I said I made a bait thread then you're just talking out your ass.

Everyone can tell this is a spite thread, for an example see Vault's latest post.

Everyone is wrong that I made one on purpose.

His stance on Doom is even more laughable considering, when asked to produce feats to prove how much stronger Ultron was than Cap (after he made the claim there was a huge difference), he produces absolutely nothing, and just claims he should have been stronger, in his "opinion". So basically, he wants his opinion on strength levels to be taken as fact, rather than what we see onscreen.

@golem

So you're really going to try and argue that you made this thread believing that Cap and WS could produce significantly more blunt force than the Thing?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If you are going to refuse to see reason and logic, and continue with this nonsense, despite all the evidence presented, then there really is no point to this in anyways.

And SM is right. Your continued focus on Doom's durability is basically admitting you made a spite thread the team can not win. What's even more laughable is you demand pure strength feats for Doom, but make outlandish claims of how Cap is going to bounce lighting bolts back at him, with nothing at all to back that up.

But I will indulge your idiocy one last time. Let's say that, despite everything we see onscreen, Thing is several times stronger than Doom (even though there is absolutely zero evidence proving this)... Ben can withstand the force of a truck ramming into him at speed and remain unmoved. When Doom hits him hard, he goes flying i.e. Doom appears to pack significantly more punch than the truck did. How many hits like that can Cap or Bucky take? Not many. So they will get beaten down. End of story.


You can talk and talk until you are blue in the face but I said PROOF with feats that Doom is close to Thing in strength other then their fight, you can't because there is none no proof.

Even though I hate the imposter Doom from 2005, He still is too much for the team. Spite thread by Golem.

We don't need strength feats for Doom. We have him fighting Ben. That's enough to scale it.

We need feats for Cap and Bucky that shows they have any hope of damaging Doom or surviving his lightning...which there are none. Can we close this please?

Originally posted by golem370
You can talk and talk until you are blue in the face but I said PROOF with feats that Doom is close to Thing in strength other then their fight, you can't because there is none no proof.

Not just talk. Logic, rational thinking, and an actual understanding of physics, on top of the explanation of feats provided. You just can't grasp what literally every other person in this thread can.

Unlike you, who makes claims about Ultron's strength compared to Cap, and Doom's strength compared to Thing, without posting a single shred of actual proof to back up any of it, and then act like it's fact. All you do is make a statement + "IMO". Do you know what that makes you? An enormous hypocrite and troll.

I also notice how you completely dodge the point about Doom's hits being too much for the team regardless. So yeah, we're done here.

Originally posted by KingD19
We don't need strength feats for Doom. We have him fighting Ben. That's enough to scale it.

We need feats for Cap and Bucky that shows they have any hope of damaging Doom or surviving his lightning...which there are none. Can we close this please?

Yeah, he is literally just being stubborn to the point of complete idiocy right now, because SM rightfully called him out on this thread.

Doom spite stomps, this is a non fight.

Golem, drop the Doom isn't as strong as thing and prove it nonsense. He's clearly in the ballpark based on their fights, but who cares if Ben is as strong.. a little stronger.. or a lot stronger.. Doom is FUNCTIONAL as strong in a fight, and that was show as clear as day. So in the end it doesn't matter how comparable they are... Doom can deal with someone on Things strength level, that level is way above these two guys. Don't be so stubborn. Vs. fights are indeed meant to and can show how people stake up in strength. It's not about them having an arm wrestling contest. Fights alone can tell us all we need to know about strength levels, and certainly functional strength levels.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Doom spite stomps, this is a non fight.

Golem, drop the Doom isn't as strong as thing and prove it nonsense. He's clearly in the ballpark based on their fights, but who cares if Ben is as strong.. a little stronger.. or a lot stronger.. Doom is FUNCTIONAL as strong in a fight, and that was show as clear as day. So in the end it doesn't matter how comparable they are... Doom can deal with someone on Things strength level, that level is way above these two guys. Don't be so stubborn. Vs. fights are indeed meant to and can show how people stake up in strength. It's not about them having an arm wrestling contest. Fights alone can tell us all we need to know about strength levels, and certainly functional strength levels.

Dude, don't bother. You might as well try explaining it to a brick wall.

You opinion on what Dr Doom is your opinion the facts are Dr Doom did not show any strength feats equal to Thing and more so the only pure physically feat against Thing is him tackling out of the building.

Originally posted by Silent Master
@golem

So you're really going to try and argue that you made this thread believing that Cap and WS could produce significantly more blunt force than the Thing?

Did I say anything like that.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Dude, don't bother. You might as well try explaining it to a brick wall.


You're mad because you can't proof your point outside one fight.

Originally posted by golem370
Did I say anything like that.

It's what your argument boils down too.

So Golem. Explain to us just how Cap and Bucky survive, much less win.

Doom's lightning not only electrocutes people, but it's a high enough voltage and concentrated enough to burn holes clean through them. He's too durable for them to hurt as he's completely metal. He's too strong for them to fight against as he tussled with Thing. Any weapon they have won't work. Have I missed anything?

Come on man, at this point you're being stubborn and everyone knows it but you.

Humans lose 500/10.

Originally posted by KingD19
So Golem. Explain to us just how Cap and Bucky survive, much less win.

Doom's lightning not only electrocutes people, but it's a high enough voltage and concentrated enough to burn holes clean through them. He's too durable for them to hurt as he's completely metal. He's too strong for them to fight against as he tussled with Thing. Any weapon they have won't work. Have I missed anything?

Come on man, at this point you're being stubborn and everyone knows it but you.

Humans lose 500/10.

The thing is, he knows that Cap and WS lose, that is why he made the thread. He was hoping some Cap fanboys would come in here and say that Cap wins, then he would be able to rant about how Cap is massively overrated on this board. However since that didn't work he is left with two choices, admit he made a spite/bait thread or try and defend Cap and WS's chances.

^ He fell into his own trap apparently, lol.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's what your argument boils down too.


You really are stupid all I said in defense of Cap is his shield could with standing Doom's electrical blast I never said they win in fact I said they would lose. You talk alot of bullshit.

Originally posted by KingD19
^ He fell into his own trap apparently, lol.


I can't be trap by stupid people.

You only conceded they'd lose after you were called out on your BS by everyone. before that you were calling it a stalemate. which you only said to cover the fact that you purposely made a spite/bait thread.

I said stalemate because of the shield and Cap and WS combat speed which is a legitimate question again you assume wrong. Cap was evading hits from Ultron in a train a feat that could could suggest him being able to dodge Doom.

You said stalemate because you didn't want to admit to making a spite/bait thread, that is also the reason you're spending so much time trying to downplay Doom.

Wrong again your whole life is a fail I feel sorry for you.

No, I'm actually 100% correct and other people have already started calling you on your obvious attempts to lowball Doom.

How do I low ball Doom because I said he is not as stong as Thing?

I have two other threads with Dr Doom one against Loki and against Phoenix does that sound like Low Balling Doom?