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Who do you think would win?

Combatants:
Standard Imperial Royal Guards and First order riot troopers.

Best of 3 rounds.

Round 1:
1 vs 1 unarmed combat

Round 2:
1 vs 1 armed combat
Royal Guard equipped with force pike.
First order riot trooper equipped with z-6 baton and betaplast shield.

Round 3:
Non combat.
Compare Royal guard training to riot trooper training.
The one you judge to have better training wins.

Note* I got into an argument with a friend about this. He claimed the first order riot control Stormtrooper would win.

Royal guard stomps in all categories.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Royal guard stomps in all categories.
That's what I said to my friend , but he doesn't belive it.
I'm going to need a good analysis.

You don't need a good analysis. All you need is that one scene from LoE where the red guards trash a bunch of magnaguards protecting the Chancellor.

Round 1: Royal Guard

Round 2: Royal Guard

Round 3: Royal Guard

Training is what is key here and the RT are supposedly good, but they lack well...pretty much a lot of things, namely feats and the like.

They have nice accolades, but all this amounts to is pretty much nothing compared to the Royal Guards training.

People will bring up "They were trained since birth!" and "They were obviously training to fight Jedi!"

Ok, so were Clone Troopers, yet they were still killed by Battle Droids and were noted as being less dangerous than Mandaloirians, meaning what...just because one is trained since birth doesn't give them an edge.

2nd point, ok training to fight against....what Jedi? Luke's Jedi? We have no quantifiable skill gauging of these Jedi at all, it's impressive that they are training against Jedi....but we don't even know what said Jedi they are suppose to fight can do.

There is also the point that Royal Guards also have better armor, you see the RT Stormtroopers being felled by mere blaster bolts.

Royal Guard armor can withstand hits from lightsabers and multiple blaster shots, edge goes to the Ryal Guard there. The shield the RT has is good, but it doesn't cover much and the Guard could easily bypass it.

They also have the superior weapon, the Force Pike can do all of what the Z6 Riot Baton can do, while at the same time cut through sophisticated armor like ragged cloth.

Now moving on, fighting unarmed skill....Royal Guards have that in spades, no question.

Royal Guards are noted as being able to do the impossible, they can take on small armies and escape hostile enemy planets, just to name a few feets.

Being masters of Echani(along with being masters of every martial art and weapon in the galaxy), also gives them another edge in precog, able to predict and counter the next move of the RT.

The Riot Troopers, just don't have anything really good to compare them to the best of the best of the best, the Imperial Royal Guard.

Originally posted by Syndicate
You don't need a good analysis. All you need is that one scene from LoE where the red guards trash a bunch of magnaguards protecting the Chancellor.

Red Guards aren't Royal Guards, Royal Guards >> Red Guards.

Said Red Guards didn't trash a group of Mangaguards either, 5 held their own against 3 of them and destroyed one. It's still a great feat though given how deadly a single Mangaguard is and shows some pretty great teamwork. They did also blitz some droids before they even made it 2 meters into a room though, so they are pretty fast.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Round 1: Royal Guard

Round 2: Royal Guard

Round 3: Royal Guard

Training is what is key here and the RT are supposedly good, but they lack well...pretty much a lot of things, namely feats and the like.

They have nice accolades, but all this amounts to is pretty much nothing compared to the Royal Guards training.

People will bring up "They were trained since birth!" and "They were obviously training to fight Jedi!"

Ok, so were Clone Troopers, yet they were still killed by Battle Droids and were noted as being less dangerous than Mandaloirians, meaning what...just because one is trained since birth doesn't give them an edge.

2nd point, ok training to fight against....what Jedi? Luke's Jedi? We have no quantifiable skill gauging of these Jedi at all, it's impressive that they are training against Jedi....but we don't even know what said Jedi they are suppose to fight can do.

There is also the point that Royal Guards also have better armor, you see the RT Stormtroopers being felled by mere blaster bolts.

Royal Guard armor can withstand hits from lightsabers and multiple blaster shots, edge goes to the Ryal Guard there. The shield the RT has is good, but it doesn't cover much and the Guard could easily bypass it.

They also have the superior weapon, the Force Pike can do all of what the Z6 Riot Baton can do, while at the same time cut through sophisticated armor like ragged cloth.

Now moving on, fighting unarmed skill....Royal Guards have that in spades, no question.

Royal Guards are noted as being able to do the impossible, they can take on small armies and escape hostile enemy planets, just to name a few feets.

Being masters of Echani(along with being masters of every martial art and weapon in the galaxy), also gives them another edge in precog, able to predict and counter the next move of the RT.

The Riot Troopers, just don't have anything really good to compare them to the best of the best of the best, the Imperial Royal Guard.

Depends, a regular Riot Trooper is inferior sure. But TR-80R wrecks.

TR-80R defeated Finn with less difficulty than Kylo Ren: Thus

TR-80R>Kylo Ren>>>>Royal Guard

excellent

Stark, you silly rascal.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Round 1: Royal Guard

Round 2: Royal Guard

Round 3: Royal Guard

Training is what is key here and the RT are supposedly good, but they lack well...pretty much a lot of things, namely feats and the like.

They have nice accolades, but all this amounts to is pretty much nothing compared to the Royal Guards training.

People will bring up "They were trained since birth!" and "They were obviously training to fight Jedi!"

Ok, so were Clone Troopers, yet they were still killed by Battle Droids and were noted as being less dangerous than Mandaloirians, meaning what...just because one is trained since birth doesn't give them an edge.

2nd point, ok training to fight against....what Jedi? Luke's Jedi? We have no quantifiable skill gauging of these Jedi at all, it's impressive that they are training against Jedi....but we don't even know what said Jedi they are suppose to fight can do.

There is also the point that Royal Guards also have better armor, you see the RT Stormtroopers being felled by mere blaster bolts.

Royal Guard armor can withstand hits from lightsabers and multiple blaster shots, edge goes to the Ryal Guard there. The shield the RT has is good, but it doesn't cover much and the Guard could easily bypass it.

They also have the superior weapon, the Force Pike can do all of what the Z6 Riot Baton can do, while at the same time cut through sophisticated armor like ragged cloth.

Now moving on, fighting unarmed skill....Royal Guards have that in spades, no question.

Royal Guards are noted as being able to do the impossible, they can take on small armies and escape hostile enemy planets, just to name a few feets.

Being masters of Echani(along with being masters of every martial art and weapon in the galaxy), also gives them another edge in precog, able to predict and counter the next move of the RT.

The Riot Troopers, just don't have anything really good to compare them to the best of the best of the best, the Imperial Royal Guard.

(his comments are in these brackets)
My friend's counter arguments are:

Being trained since birth gives riot trooper the edge because you cannot use clone troopers as an example since they are not first order Stormtroopers. Also royal guards just protect the emperor and do not see much action unlike the riot trooper.



(Riot troopers are just trained differently but still just as well)

Shield gives first order riot trooper advantage because he can block the attack. Also it is lightsaber resistant as it is made from the same material as the z-6 baton. The royal guard does not have a shield meaning the royal guardsman has no defence when attacked apart from blocking.



Although Royal guard has better armour a heavy hit from the z-6 baton would result in a stunned royal guard. If hit on the head , royal guard would die in one hit from blunt trauma.

Admits royal guard will win in melee combat.

Force pike can cut through sophisticated armour. Ragged cloth is totally sophisticated armour.

Zenwolf's conclusion is biased as he described royal guards as being best of the best of the best.

(he did not say that though, so it is still biased.)

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Depends, a regular Riot Trooper is inferior sure. But TR-80R wrecks.

TR-80R defeated Finn with less difficulty than Kylo Ren: Thus

TR-80R>Kylo Ren>>>>Royal Guard

excellent

FN-2000*, tbh.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
FN-2000*, tbh.
FN-2199

Zero fits that trooper's personality better, imo.

Originally posted by Stormtrooper_Co

(his comments are in these brackets)
My friend's counter arguments are:

Being trained since birth gives riot trooper the edge because you cannot use clone troopers as an example since they are not first order Stormtroopers. Also royal guards just protect the emperor and do not see much action unlike the riot trooper.



(Riot troopers are just trained differently but still just as well)

Shield gives first order riot trooper advantage because he can block the attack. Also it is lightsaber resistant as it is made from the same material as the z-6 baton. The royal guard does not have a shield meaning the royal guardsman has no defence when attacked apart from blocking.



Although Royal guard has better armour a heavy hit from the z-6 baton would result in a stunned royal guard. If hit on the head , royal guard would die in one hit from blunt trauma.

Admits royal guard will win in melee combat.

Force pike can cut through sophisticated armour. Ragged cloth is totally sophisticated armour.

Zenwolf's conclusion is biased as he described royal guards as being best of the best of the best.

(he did not say that though, so it is still biased.)

Really didn't think I had to specify the best of the best of the best part.

Only the best Army Troopers(who go through a year of intense training) become Stormtroopers. (The best)

Only the best Stormtroopers are eligible to become Royal Guards(of the best)

Only the best Royal Guard trainees can become Royal Guardsmen after killing their training partner.(of the best.)

This isn't even taking into account that Special Forces Stormtroopers(like Carnor Jax) can also become Royal Guardsmen.

Doubtful that a single hit from the baton would kill a Royal Guard, when they have enough endurance and physical ability to survive getting slashed by a lightsaber, withstand multiple blaster shots(which is enough to blast back full grown men and leave large explosions, tear through regular armor, cause small fires and turn sand into glass). Their strength also great enough to pick up and toss fully grown armored men.

Also the fact that the Royal Guards have their own sort of precog, able to predict their opponents next attack.

Also the Force pike CUTS THROUGH armor LIKE ragged cloth, it cuts straight through armor as if it was cloth.