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Just wanted to make this thread so we don't spam the Dragon Ball Super thread.

What is everybody's take on what happen during this fight?

Either Goku can move at ludicrous speed or he is powerful enough he can resist hax. Pick your poison.

Im gonna say the ludicrous speed. Only because of how they showed him moving through the time stop/showcasing his speed prior.

He w as loving through time stop before using kaioken

Who he was making love with through time stop?

Hit? Chichi?

Originally posted by bbrem123
Just wanted to make this thread so we don't spam the Dragon Ball Super thread.

What is everybody's take on what happen during this fight?

Goku was faster then Hit's minor level time dilation.

Impressive by DBZ standards, but we're not talking nanosecond reaction times here..

Superman can't match DBZ speed.

He can barely fly fast and it always results in diarrhoea.

Originally posted by cdtm
Goku was faster then Hit's minor level time dilation.

Impressive by DBZ standards, but we're not talking nanosecond reaction times here..

He moved through time stop. Thats impressive in anyones standard. Also, I found this for you.

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111146088/3954349-0532120675-36636.jpg

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111146088/3954356-0681505005-99117.jpg

This dude possess Hercule off of DBZ level speed. Dont believe me? Shiva beats him the next issue with a freaking stick.

http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111146088/3954342-6272520519-99029.jpg

Look at that amazing nano second combat speed. You're not fooling anyone here. Everytime you type with that hating hand, I will post more showings like this.

Hating hand? More like Iron Fist!

Actually, Shadowdragon was a guy in an advanced exoskeleton suit. The thing went so fast, it actually hurt him.

Still a low showing, but hardly a street leveler.

And Shiva beat Cassandra *dodges sniper rounds at the last minute without seeing them* Cain. You'd better believe Shiva's way faster then that laughable .5 second time dilation.

Superdouche has been slow-thinking and slow-moving his entire career. Not sure why you defend him.

Lord Rand is not pleased.

Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, Shadowdragon was a guy in an advanced exoskeleton suit. The thing went so fast, it actually hurt him.

Still a low showing, but hardly a street leveler.

And Shiva beat Cassandra *dodges sniper rounds at the last minute without seeing them* Cain. You'd better believe Shiva's way faster then that laughable .5 second time dilation.

Scans of Shiva moving through time stop.

Shadow Dragon isn't close to Spiderman level of speed. Would you like for me to post a non holding back Superman vs Batman?

Can someone explain the speed feat to me? Again, I don't watch DBS.

Hit stops time for 0.5 seconds and Goku blocks his attack and hits him while in a time stop... Or time leap.. Or however Hits power actually works.

Originally posted by Galan007
Can someone explain the speed feat to me? Again, I don't watch DBS.

The best fight in Dragonball history.

At first I got the impression that this was a speed feat, but after the dialogue was subbed I'm convinced that he just became too powerful for Hit's technique to affect him.

Glad you shared YOUR opinion.

Also, for everyone else, look at the showing when Hit freeze time and blitz Goku. Goku was reacting then as well while he was getting slaughtered.

Don't kid yourself. That's just for the audience's benefit to know he was getting hurt.

Originally posted by Kento
Hit stops time for 0.5 seconds and Goku blocks his attack and hits him while in a time stop... Or time leap.. Or however Hits power actually works.

That's about the gist of it.

Since Goku was actually moving, I vote Hit either speeds himself up, or slows everyone else down. If "time skipping" is the accurate translation, then he's basically got Zoom II's power of bending time to simulate uber speed.

Originally posted by ares834
Don't kid yourself. That's just for the audience's benefit to know he was getting hurt.

But he was reacting though. Can't take that away.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's about the gist of it.

Since Goku was actually moving, I vote Hit either speeds himself up, or slows everyone else down. If "time skipping" is the accurate translation, then he's basically got Zoom II's power of bending time to simulate uber speed.

The accurate translation was already posted for you. He stops time. Is there a corner in your house with napkins?

Also, they fought during time stop.

Originally posted by Kento
Hit stops time for 0.5 seconds and Goku blocks his attack and hits him while in a time stop... Or time leap.. Or however Hits power actually works.

I can tell you how it works. He freeze time for everyone but himself as stated in the previous episode. There, that was simple.

Originally posted by carver9
The accurate translation was already posted for you. He stops time. Is there a corner in your house with napkins?

Also, they fought during time stop.


Just because it's on Youtube doesn't make it the de-facto definitive translation.

Why does the translation matter? We see that he literally stops time and then can do whatever he wants. I don't know what more we need...

Originally posted by ares834
Why does the translation matter? We see that he literally stops time and then can do whatever he wants. I don't know what more we need...

Didn't stop Goku. Not time stop, whatever they called it. It's more likely a form of time dilation.

They straight up say he stops/skips time. Not that he slows it down or something of that nature.

As for why Goku can move, it's a stupid anime where character can blow up the planet. Just roll with it.

Lol of course the Nutt hurt ensues when people see a dbz feat they aren't comfortable with.


Hit doesnt slow time he stops it that's the literal definition of his powers and why these gods can't see him at all when he moves in it. Hoke was so fast he out sped time. Deal with it and prepare your anuses because we are only going to get even more ridiculous feats from here.

Originally posted by ares834
They straight up say he stops/skips time. Not that he slows it down or something of that nature.

As for why Goku can move, it's a stupid anime where character can blow up the planet. Just roll with it.

They call Guldo's power "time freeze" too, and he very obviously slowed time to a crawl.

Goku could move because he's too fast for the time dilation. You're getting hung up on a word from amateur translators, when the fact is Goku was moving. Even if they did use "stop", it's obviously not if someone could move.


This is no different then Cyborg 009 "stopping time" for a week by being stuck in accelerate mode.

Originally posted by cdtm
They call Guldo's power "time freeze" too, and he very obviously slowed time to a crawl.

Goku could move because he's too fast for the time dilation. You're getting hung up on a word from amateur translators, when the fact is Goku was moving. Even if they did use "stop", it's obviously not if someone could move.


This is no different then Cyborg 009 "stopping time" for a week by being stuck in accelerate mode.

Its a cartoon bro...physics come in second place all of the time. No matter what you say, Goku moved through time and people are going to accept that. You can cry a river all day. No one is changing their mind about the showing because you're hating.

You and new guy need to PM each other about the showing so that you two can feel better because as shown, even with you two closing your eyes while the show played, people still know hit stopped time and Goku moved through it.

Even DBZ follows internal logic, "bro", this isn't Axe Cop. And using the term "time stop" is a pretty common discription for time getting slowed to a crawl relative to a character.

So what, you lost the war on Hulk in comics vs and now adapted Goku as your self insert character?

Originally posted by cdtm
Even DBZ follows internal logic, "bro", this isn't Axe Cop. And using the term "time stop" is a pretty common discription for time getting slowed to a crawl relative to a character.

So what, you lost the war on Hulk in comics vs and now adapted Goku as your self insert character?

Naah, we just listen to the words and look at what is going on versus hating on a show that defies logic.

Originally posted by carver9
Its a cartoon bro...physics come in second place all of the time. No matter what you say, Goku moved through time and people are going to accept that. You can cry a river all day. No one is changing their mind about the showing because you're hating.

I don't understand why you guys are make up these theories and believing they are the truth. I mean it is all fine and dandy if they actually say Hit only slows time down on screen but they say the complete opposite. I have no clue where you are even getting this stuff from.

And for the theory that Goku is just to powerful for the time stop to work on him, why do they specifically show a scene where the time stop is clearly affecting Goku in KaioKen? It just doesn't affect him enough for Hit to take any type of advantage.

We all know this because Hit can now actually see Goku and somewhat react to him during this time, where he obviously could not before. All Goku says is that he is on another level now so it is no use. Nothing about the power not working.

I mean yea moving faster than time makes no sense but neither does half the stuff we see in comics. 90% of the things that happen in DBZ/DBS make no sense in the real world what so ever. Just look at Buu.

Lets say if Hit could bump his time jump up to 10 seconds he would probably beat the shit out of Goku.

So he is probably just fast enough that a small degree of time stop doesnt effect him that much...

How does that make sense?

Originally posted by bbrem123
I don't understand why you guys are make up these theories and believing they are the truth. I mean it is all fine and dandy if they actually say Hit only slows time down on screen but they say the complete opposite. I have no clue where you are even getting this stuff from.

And for the theory that Goku is just to powerful for the time stop to work on him, why do they specifically show a scene where the time stop is clearly affecting Goku in KaioKen? It just doesn't affect him enough for Hit to take any type of advantage.

We all know this because Hit can now actually see Goku and somewhat react to him during this time, where he obviously could not before. All Goku says is that he is on another level now so it is no use. Nothing about the power not working.

I mean yea moving faster than time makes no sense but neither does half the stuff we see in comics. 90% of the things that happen in DBZ/DBS make no sense in the real world what so ever. Just look at Buu.

You said it yourself. We can SEE time stop SLOWING Goku. Not stopping, slowing. You guys wanna call it a full on stop, go ahead, but it's obviously not working as advertised. Just don't pretend you're not making shit up and ignoring what's happening on screen, anymore then you claim I am..

About the only thing you're accomplishing is probably to convince Galan he was right in snubbing the show. (Seriously Galan, give it another chance. At least try ep 37..)

Originally posted by NewGuy01
How does that make sense?

Makes about as much sense as Goku moving while time is stopped TBH.

Originally posted by cdtm
You said it yourself. We can SEE time stop SLOWING Goku. Not stopping, slowing. You guys wanna call it a full on stop, go ahead, but it's obviously not working as advertised. Just don't pretend you're not making shit up and ignoring what's happening on screen, anymore then you claim I am..

About the only thing you're accomplishing is probably to convince Galan he was right in snubbing the show. (Seriously Galan, give it another chance. At least try ep 37..) It is DB man. Why cant it be a full time stop? They clearly wanted to show Goku was beyond it and they did. Not that hard to grasp.

Makes about as much sense as Buu turning people into candy. But they both happened. It is what it is.

I mean hell if they reveal next episode that Hit is only slowing time then cool. But there was no indication from any character yet that back up your claim it was only slowed not stopped.

I will say 1 thing about the measurements of time used. I think it was in this thread someone complained about it being 0.1 seconds instead of 0.0000001 or something like that. I get it, but consider one simple fact. How hard that would be to use in a sentence. In English we'd have to say "Zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one seconds." In Japanese it'd be much more difficult to say. Probably a big reason why it was stated in simply decimals.

It probably would have been best to leave it ambiguous. "A fraction of a second" or something along those lines.

Boo turning people into candy makes perfect sense, he's a demon who can use magic. Movement when time is halted is simply impossible by virtue of speed; speed, by definition, is distance divided by time.

And you can't divide by 0. Goku can't exist in two places at the same time by virtue of speed. Otherwise, Beerus and Whis (who are faster than Goku) would be able to cover infinite distances instantaneously. But in actuality, even while using enhanced travel methods, it takes them several minutes to move across the universe.

Which means the most logical explanation is either that A.) Hit is only slowing time to imperceptible levels, or B.) Hit's haxxx simply doesn't affect Goku anymore. I like to think B is the more likely choice, judging from multiple character's dialogue, but both are plausible. Goku achieving omnipresence via speed really isn't.

really? wow. Not even worth my time if you are just going to be ignorant to the whole concept what what dragon ball is about. The whole show is a massive fantasy tail and everything that happens in it does not pertain to our world logic.
The fact that Bulma is still alive proves that they are not being realistic. It is a cartoon. Gtfo with your real world logic crap. Sorry not trying to be rude but seriously take it for what it is and what the show specifically states it to be.

Love your explanation to how Buu turning people to candy makes sense...wtf

magiccccc

Originally posted by KingD19
I will say 1 thing about the measurements of time used. I think it was in this thread someone complained about it being 0.1 seconds instead of 0.0000001 or something like that. I get it, but consider one simple fact. How hard that would be to use in a sentence. In English we'd have to say "Zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one seconds." In Japanese it'd be much more difficult to say. Probably a big reason why it was stated in simply decimals.

Could have simply said "nanosecond" or "microsecond" (One millionth and one thousandth of a second. Mr. Majestic's done nanosecond reactions on a teleporter).

Originally posted by bbrem123
really? wow. Not even worth my time if you are just going to be ignorant to the whole concept what what dragon ball is about. The whole show is a massive fantasy tail and everything that happens in it does not pertain to our world logic.
The fact that Bulma is still alive proves that they are not being realistic. It is a cartoon. Gtfo with your real world logic crap. Sorry not trying to be rude but seriously take it for what it is and what the show specifically states it to be.

Love your explanation to how Buu turning people to candy makes sense...wtf

magiccccc

Just stop arguing with them. They think comics and manga are real life events so its pointless. Dont clunk them over the head telling them that people moving through time stop happened in a cartoon.

You know that Goku is faster than time along with 90% of the people in here. There exist haters...let them hate.

Originally posted by cdtm
Could have simply said "nanosecond" or "microsecond" (One millionth and one thousandth of a second. Mr. Majestic's done nanosecond reactions on a teleporter).

And Goku moved through time stop. Cry some more.

@bbrem Uh, yeah, because magic has been established to exist in Dragon Ball.

Originally posted by cdtm
Could have simply said "nanosecond" or "microsecond" (One millionth and one thousandth of a second. Mr. Majestic's done nanosecond reactions on a teleporter).

Maj is vastly superior to any kryptonian, including Pre-Crisis ones (even Superbaby).

Originally posted by NewGuy01
It probably would have been best to leave it ambiguous. "A fraction of a second" or something along those lines.

Boo turning people into candy makes perfect sense, he's a demon who can use magic. Movement when time is halted is simply impossible by virtue of speed; speed, by definition, is distance divided by time.

And you can't divide by 0. Goku can't exist in two places at the same time by virtue of speed. Otherwise, Beerus and Whis (who are faster than Goku) would be able to cover infinite distances instantaneously. But in actuality, even while using enhanced travel methods, it takes them several minutes to move across the universe.

Which means the most logical explanation is either that A.) Hit is only slowing time to imperceptible levels, or B.) Hit's haxxx simply doesn't affect Goku anymore. I like to think B is the more likely choice, judging from multiple character's dialogue, but both are plausible. Goku achieving omnipresence via speed really isn't.

C). Youre trolling.

Originally posted by carver9
C). Youre trolling.

In other words, you don't have a rebuttal.

We see time stopped. Jaco tells us that time is FREEZING...STOPPED. The explaination is right there in front of your face. You are the one in denial and need to rebute what is said on panel.

Judging from your previous response, you actually did read my earlier post. So you're well aware that your response doesn't address anything I said at all, which can only lead me to conclude that you are intentionally trying to dodge the point. Again.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Judging from your previous response, you actually did read my earlier post. So you're well aware that your response doesn't address anything I said at all, which can only lead me to conclude that you are intentionally trying to dodge the point. Again.

That you dont understand how Goku moved through time stop? I can explain that to you. He moved through time stop because its a cartoon. You also said that Hit doesn't freeze time. Look at the vid below please.

Originally posted by carver9
Here is the part where Jaco explains time leap. He say Hit FREEZE TIME for 0.1 second. He then goes on to say that Hit STOPS TIME. Can't get any clearer than this.

https://youtu.be/5QqnedKRYdA

Nice try at downplaying though.

Youre the same freaking guy that said Hit can only punch once during time stop and that he should've ran around the world and then punched Vegeta. People obviously are seeing what you are doing. Do you think anyone here will take you seriously on anything you post DBS related?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maj is vastly superior to any kryptonian, including Pre-Crisis ones (even Superbaby).

No argument here.

Originally posted by carver9
He w as loving through time stop before using kaioken

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who he was making love with through time stop?

lol

Goku can't move at lightsped he can't tank a planet buster dbz KS way below solar system level cell was lying freeza was the first who could destroy a planet vegeta was lying against goku blah blah fukin blah same shit different toilet. Let them cry it's only gonna get worse for them from here.

Originally posted by carver9

Youre the same freaking guy that said Hit can only punch once during time stop

Uh, yeah, because that's all Hit was doing before he powered up in e.39.

you are the king of assumption^

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Uh, yeah, because that's all Hit was doing before he powered up in e.39.

That's all Hit NEEDED to do while facing Vegeta. You forgot that he hit Frost more than once. He hit him so fast that we didn't see him move. Frost didn't know what was going on. So yes, he displayed multiple hits a long time ago. You were just in denial. Like I said, no one here is taking you seriously on anything DBS related.

Here he hit Frost more than one time.

https://youtu.be/kPWxqKhi3vY

Anyone else just think they watched Heroes when they cane up with this fight?

Originally posted by Kento
Anyone else just think they watched Heroes when they cane up with this fight?

So much this.

Interesting concepts, horrible execution.

This fight was epic...horrible execution?

Yep. Loved it myself. I was grinning like an idiot when the song kicked in.

Beastly fight. Look at the person who's saying it isn't good.

Wouldn't be looking down on Kento. Last I checked, he didn't make a "Hulk beats Zeus" thread.

XD when did I ever say it wasn't good a good fight? I just totally thought of Hiro stopping time and Daphne still being able to move type deal. I haven't even said a negative thing about it....

After all I still watch the show. Even if its doing some dumb things like Goku at base doing things ssb Vegeta can't. And even trying to find out power scaling is impossible right now. The manga is loads better too. Because Piccolo didn't dodge for half an hour just to lose.

Dont think anyone here said anything about you.

I was responding to cdtm responding to you.

Originally posted by Kento
I was responding to cdtm responding to you.

And I'm responding to you responding to carver responding to you responding to cdtm responding to your dad.

Show me your genitals, Kento.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And I'm responding to you responding to carver responding to you responding to cdtm responding to your dad.

Show me your genitals, Kento. and now I'm responding to you responding to me responding to carver responding to me responding to cdtm responding to carver responding to ares responding to bbrem

Originally posted by Kento
and now I'm responding to you responding to me responding to carver responding to me responding to cdtm responding to carver responding to ares responding to bbrem

And here I was gonna respond to you, but I dunno where I'd fit in at this point.. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/frown.gif

That's the thing, fisting lover. You don't fit.

Log out uhuh

Better a fist lover then sucking gamma meat.

Originally posted by cdtm
And here I was gonna respond to you, but I dunno where I'd fit in at this point.. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/frown.gif you just gotta shove your way in.

Hit Vs Goku

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In all seriousness, the Death Battle still stands.

Goku doesn't have time stop, and Z characters have few concrete speed feats, and none suggesting the kinds of speeds a Superman/Flash/Gladiator/Jay Garrick operate at.

In all seriousness. Nobody takes your posts seriously...

LOL...exactly.

If the showing doesn't make sense, per your words, then what does it demonstrate?

The showing was explained multiple times in the episode. Pretty straight forward.

It is a cartoon. It doesnt need to make sense. Just accept the feat for what it is.

Didn't see the episode, hence the question.

And I'm not asking what the feat was, just what does it demonstrate.

Goku moving through time stop at super speed.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Didn't see the episode, hence the question.

And I'm not asking what the feat was, just what does it demonstrate. Ahh sorry miss read your post.

The problem with the idea of "Goku being faster than time" is it doesn't mean anything.

I specifically remember having a discussion here, a while back, where I said FTLers should be immune to time powers while in FTL motion. What Goku did was exactly what I was explaining would happen back then and that made everyone angry.

But since people don't like basing any of their opinions on any form of actual science; what I think, Goku is immune to time hax in BKK. Except somehow, Hit double time stopped which to override Goku's immunity in the latest ep. That was crazy.

I'm honestly starting to think, Ki>Hax.
It's not the 1st time in DB a hax has been disregarded because the character it was being used on was just stronger. It's actually happened in DB a lot.

Time stop is usually head on in DBZ though. Guildo was the weakest member of the Ginyu force and his time stopped worked on everyone.

Now we have seen that Hit's evolved time skip nullified Goku again....

I dont know what that was he was mixing time stop with.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont know what that was he was mixing time stop with.
Nah he just evolved past Goku.

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Yeah, according to the subs Hit was able to stop Goku by improving his technique.

Yea not very descriptive haha.

Yeah, he was improving. Don't know what kind of improvements he was getting but he did some crazy crap to Goku. That ending battle they had during episode 39, all of that took place during time stop.

Yea it seems that Hit evolved it past just a normal time stop. If you notice, he didn't say he improved its length. Which is likely due to Goku being beyond a normal time stop. Looks like he evolved in order to counter that by freezing him in place or something.

Yeah, the way it looked, it seemed to me like Hit developed a way to stop Goku from moving instead of just stopping time from moving. Because Goku was suddenly covered in the glass-like animation attributed to Hit's time stop.

Occam's razer - Not time freezing.

It's stupid enough to say you can power through time stopping. It get's ridiculous to suggest Hit can somehow make time stopping even stoppier.

Obviously, whatever he's doing, he's not bringing time to a halt. You need time powers to counter that, and Goku never displayed this. If he did, he wouldn'y need Whis.

Originally posted by cdtm
Occam's razer - Not time freezing.

It's stupid enough to say you can power through time stopping. It get's ridiculous to suggest Hit can somehow make time stopping even stoppier.

Obviously, whatever he's doing, he's not bringing time to a halt. You need time powers to counter that, and Goku never displayed this. If he did, he wouldn'y need Whis.

Guess what. I don't think people listen to your opinion about DB. You have more success at talking to a brick wall than anyone here when it comes to your opinion on any of the characters. After typing this, guess what, Goku moved through time stop.

That entire ending happened during time stop.

Making it personal!

Hey,.Carver fan's, raise your hand! (Put your hand down, Stitl )

Don't tell me what to do!

Steamroll him, carvmaster!

Originally posted by cdtm
Making it personal!

Hey,.Carver fan's, raise your hand! (Put your hand down, Stitl )

I'm not asking for fans though. That still doesn't change what I said either.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not asking for fans though.

http://i65.tinypic.com/51yb84.jpg

AGE OF CARVER

Lol

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not asking for fans though. That still doesn't change what I said either.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t625907.html

See how seriously they take you? I'm clearly out of my depth here.

Btw, the last two subs never once say "time stop/freeze", and use the term "time skip".

Originally posted by cdtm
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t625907.html

See how seriously they take you? I'm clearly out of my depth here.

Btw, the last two subs never once say "time stop/freeze", and use the term "time skip".

Lol...both you and SquallX are DBZ trolls. I don't care about him not taking me seriously or not.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...both you and SquallX are DBZ trolls. I don't care about him not taking me seriously or not.

And look at how many people came to your defense.

But sure, anyone who questions your interpretation of DBS is clearly a troll. Those subbers calling it something besides time freezing, what do they know? Not like they're the authority on the Japanese language you are, amiright?

And so what if Goku keeps moving during "time stop". Or needed Whis to travel through time. Logic and reasoning is for chumps.

it was fast but still not light speed

Whis and Beerus can travel at trillions of times the speed of light, though. Even if they can only do that using transportation techniques, to say that they're still sub-light is ridiculous at this point.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...both you and SquallX are DBZ trolls. I don't care about him not taking me seriously or not.

Lord Carvalypse has spoken.

Don't worry, master. For fisting lovers like cdtm, death by vertical impalement awaits. We're just waiting for your order, great one.

...

Ah, hell. I'm not gonna wait. Forgive me, my liege.

http://s32.postimg.org/e9vo35kat/567.jpg

Here. The piece of shit is dead. I hope you're glad, sensei.

bump

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lord Carvalypse has spoken.

Don't worry, master. For fisting lovers like cdtm, death by vertical impalement awaits. We're just waiting for your order, great one.

...

Ah, hell. I'm not gonna wait. Forgive me, my liege.

http://s32.postimg.org/e9vo35kat/567.jpg

Here. The piece of shit is dead. I hope you're glad, sensei.




WTF

He's not going to bother you again, boss.

haha yes

I'm glad all the haters can now shut the **** up.

Goku is strong enough to trounce Beerus now.