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They fight in an abandoned warehouse.

Cap gets shield bucky gets a combat knife.

Doc Oct absolutely destroys them with utter ease.

I say they kill him. As they'd actually be trying to take him down or kill him from the beginning. Especially Bucky. And as durable as Ock is against a holding back Spidey, I don't think he can tank a knife to the temple.

What??? This is a non fight. How does Bucky even get close to Doc Oct before his arms grab him and curb him? He would rip the shield directly from Cap's hands. They have absolutely zero chance here.

Ock's a glass-cannon. But his tentacles are fast enough to compete with Spider-man and strong enough to rip a bank vault door off its hinges and toss it, they get a hold of either Cap or Bucky and it's over for them.

IMO, team could win, but it'd cost one of their lives.

If he catches them yeah they're done. I don't remember much but could he handle multiple opponents from different angles? I only ever remember him focusing on Spidey. Like could he fight Cap in front of him and Bucky behind him at the same time?

Also War Machine was strong enough to pick up a tank, but Cap and Bucky ate fighting Iron Man and seeming to do well.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ock's a glass-cannon. But his tentacles are fast enough to compete with Spider-man and strong enough to rip a bank vault door off its hinges and toss it, they get a hold of either Cap or Bucky and it's over for them.

IMO, team could win, but it'd cost one of their lives.

I don't get this glass canon thing with Doc. We know how hard Spiderman can punch and kick and the Doc was taking both to the face and not getting KO'd. He was barely even stunned most of the time. I'd say he can deal with hits from these two if they were even able to hit him, which imo they won't be able to. How would they ever get near him to hit him? As soon as the fight starts his tentacles immediately shoot out faster than Bucky or Cap can move themselves and goes for the grab. Only he has 4 arms not 2. How exactly are they going to avoid getting grabbed and hit by them to even get close to Doc? I just see no other outcome than a Doc Oct ownage.

Spidey was holding back a lot. He knew, liked and respected Ock. Also it was clear his tentacles were warping his mind. So while durable, he probably couldn't take everything Spidey had to offer.

Bucky and Cap wouldn't have that problem. Bucky would immediately try to murder him. And he has a knife, and Cap has a shield that can chop of body parts and probably damage if not sever a tentacle.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't get this glass canon thing with Doc. We know how hard Spiderman can punch and kick and the Doc was taking both to the face and not getting KO'd. He was barely even stunned most of the time. I'd say he can deal with hits from these two if they were even able to hit him, which imo they won't be able to.

How would they ever get near him to hit him? As soon as the fight starts his tentacles immediately shoot out faster than Bucky or Cap can move themselves and goes for the grab. Only he has 4 arms not 2. How exactly are they going to avoid getting grabbed and hit by them to even get close to Doc? I just see no other outcome than a Doc Oct ownage.

Ock was a normal human, there's no reason to believe his body, let alone his face suddenly became super-durable because his robotic harness got fused to his spine. It's far more logical to believe that SM was pulling his punches as to not murder him, since he's not a murderer and abides my Uncle Ben's Law.

This is how I see the logistics of the fight:

Ock's going to need to use at least one, if not two tentacles to anchor himself (like he did in a few scenes, bank vault, building his machine etc) because despite the super-strength of his tentacles, he still only weighs as much as fat Alfred Molina and his harness, which seemed rather lightweight as Ock had no problem supporting its weight and his leg strength is that of human. Otherwise Cap or Bucky will be strong enough to swing and ragdoll his body by gripping on to the tentacle(s). At least that's a danger he could potentially face.

So that leaves three, but likely two tentacles he'll be fighting with, so while he's busy ripping either Bucky or WS to shreds while they're resisting, that leaves the remaining guy a few seconds to throw his weapon (shield or knife), which a well placed shot could either outright kill or incapacitate Ock.

Not that this will go down like this, Ock has the ability to kill both, it's just not a sure stomp in his favor, imo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What??? This is a non fight. How does Bucky even get close to Doc Oct before his arms grab him and curb him? He would rip the shield directly from Cap's hands. They have absolutely zero chance here.

The Op doesn't say anything about Doc having his metal arms and according to you, the op has to specifically state that characters get their standard gear.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ock was a normal human, there's no reason to believe his body, let alone his face suddenly became super-durable because his robotic harness got fused to his spine. It's far more logical to believe that SM was pulling his punches as to not murder him, since he's not a murderer and abides my Uncle Ben's Law.

This is how I see the logistics of the fight:

Ock's going to need to use at least one, if not two tentacles to anchor himself (like he did in a few scenes, bank vault, building his machine etc) because despite the super-strength of his tentacles, he still only weighs as much as fat Alfred Molina and his harness, which seemed rather lightweight as Ock had no problem supporting its weight and his leg strength is that of human. Otherwise Cap or Bucky will be strong enough to swing and ragdoll his body by gripping on to the tentacle(s). At least that's a danger he could potentially face.

So that leaves three, but likely two tentacles he'll be fighting with, so while he's busy ripping either Bucky or WS to shreds while they're resisting, that leaves the remaining guy a few seconds to throw his weapon (shield or knife), which a well placed shot could either outright kill or incapacitate Ock.

Not that this will go down like this, Ock has the ability to kill both, it's just not a sure stomp in his favor, imo.

I understand what you're saying bro, and I don't think it's totally off base. Thing is, Spiderman has been shown kicking people he also wasn't trying to kill (and didn't kill) and they were sent flying and KO'd. Doc was hit by multiple shots and wasn't even the slight bit hurt. So the holding back argument still doesn't jive with what we see on screen. Spiderman has held back before and skill KO'd regular humans with ease and sent them flying. There is no proof he was holding back with Doc, but let's say he was; okay, well he still wasn't KO'd by spiderman.

I'm also not getting the needing to brace himself with 2 tentacles thing. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I'm unclear why you think it would even be necessary. These guys are "grabbing" the tentacles, they would get overpowered if they tried that. I don't think he needs to brace himself at all, or if he did, one would do just fine. That leaves 3 or 4 to go grab and cause havoc. Anyways, I guess we're not seeing things the same, which of course can happen, and it's all good.

No problem, overall I think it's Ock's fight to lose, since he can hang with Spider-man.

Guys don't be silly. Ock is way tougher and faster than a normal human. Calling him a glass cannon is stupid. Yeah, he will go down if he gets stabbed, but I don't think he will be. He could just block the knife with the arms:
At 2:49 he blocks the shards of glass coming at him at high speed without even looking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32qjSN6gdS8
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This whole sequence shows that Ock does not see to see or think to use his arms. They can move in reflex, and act as four extra eyes for him
At 0:44, you can see the arms smashing a guy into the lights which electrocutes him but does not affect Ock. I will explain why this is important later.
At 1:12 a doctor tries to cut the arm with a chainsaw with zero effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJQR6SNMF8

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At 0:52 spider man throws a money bag at Ock hard enough that he hits a wall behind him and a chunk is taken off of it. He doesn't even flinch
At 1:32 a table hrown by Spider Man hits him with enough force to carry it, him and his arms across the room, through a glass window, out of the building, hit a car hard enough to dent its door and almost tip it over. He isn't close to going down there either (Way better than Cap kicking Bucky into that jeep )
Then at 2:49 Spider man punches him hard enough to pull his arms out which were embedded in the walls. He doesn't go down either
At 3:14 Spider Man smashes him through another glass window with enough force to break the table behind it and socks him several times but he still doesn't go down
He was also shown avoiding bullets after this fight but I can't find a video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt56jutf1vk

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At 0:53. Spidey throw a metal clock hand hard enough that the ground which Ock stands on shatters an sends him flying. The clock hand is impaled into metal with the residual force. This is after he was hit in the face with two web ball few seconds ago. And the hand didn't impale him only because Ock dodged it
Note that at 1:16 Ock fell onto the train with enough force to dent the roof
At 1:26 he's shown to be fast enough to block Spider man's webbing
At 1:36 he ducks over the bridge without looking at it
At 2:51 just see the height from which spiderman falls at him. At that height the speed spiderman came at him the momentum must have been tremendous
At 2:55 he actually hurts Spider man with an elbow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00fTwhmYX0

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I wish there was the video of him extending those tentacles across the entire carriage, overpowering dozens of people

At 1:36 in the video Spiderman kicks him through the wooden floorboards and pummels him some more
At 2:39 in the first video he is continuously electrocuted by high voltage wires. Remember the arms had been unaffected electricity shown to be lethal normal guys so this is a pretty big shock but he survives and is conscious if if just barely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKIfFORL-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgFOKzsLQuo

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It is silly to completely ignore those feats and say he's a glass canon. Who knows, if the accident mutated him or something. spider man may have been holding back but that doesn't mean Ock can' t take hits better than humans. Anyone who sass or thinks like that is simply bullshitting themselves. Call it PIS if you want to, but then you'll be invalidating the feats of hundreds of action heroes because they too were supposed to be ordinary humans
At his best, they are not touching him, seriously hurting or beating him. Ock wins 10/10. its not a slight on Bucky or Cap. Ock is that good

The missing feats. Ignore the annoying reviewer. Better mute the video. Even though he's not completely wrong, but its that even if you can't understand him, his voice and talking style is still annoying
At 37:57 of the below video he is shown avoiding bullets. Bullets are bouncing off his arms too. Did the arms block the bullets? Hard to say
https://vimeo.com/115775453
At 21:24 of the below video you can see him extending his arms and overpowering several people
https://vimeo.com/117148539

Doc Octopus should win more often then not, being able to tag Spiderman and compete with him on multiple occasions speaks volume.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ock's a glass-cannon. But his tentacles are fast enough to compete with Spider-man and strong enough to rip a bank vault door off its hinges and toss it, they get a hold of either Cap or Bucky and it's over for them.

IMO, team could win, but it'd cost one of their lives.

Have to agree. The team CAN win, and probably will. But they're still fighting an uphill battle.

That logic makes no sense. You don't say somebody will be fighting an uphill battle, and in the same sentence say they are likely to win. That is a totally improper use of the expression. If they are fighting an uphill battle, that means they are likely to LOSE not win. Sure they can win, but they certainly not likely to win as you seem to note "Uphill battle". I'm also okay with Rob's view, but his view is that Oct likely wins more times than not.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That logic makes no sense. You don't say somebody will be fighting an uphill battle, and in the same sentence say they are likely to win. That is a totally improper use of the expression. If they are fighting an uphill battle, that means they are likely to LOSE not win. Sure they can win, but they certainly not likely to win as you seem to note "Uphill battle". I'm also okay with Rob's view, but his view is that Oct likely wins more times than not.

An uphill battle is a very difficult task, or one with unfavorable circumstances. It does not mean that it's a task you are most likely to fail at. It simply means it's prettt hard to accomplish.

Not sure how Buckys is supposed to get his 4 inch blade anywhere near a vital organ when he has 20 foot metal arms that are faster, and stronger than him, have their own knives and can punch anhole in his chest, attacking him from a distance he cant replicate, at a speed he cant dodge, with strength he cant match, and from various angles he cant maneuver around?

I really want to jump on the "Parker was holding back" argument but literally everything about that scene spoke otherwise.

Doc has the abilities and feats to end this fight in a matter of seconds. That glass cannon thing works both ways. Those arms will one-shot kill either soldier and really dont see a way for them to even still be dtanding from Docs first assault, little lone waltz up to him and just stab him in the face.

The team gets absolutely stomped. They have no chance, contrary to what others are saying. Anyone who can fight with Spidey on equal ground stomps the hell out of them.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The team gets absolutely stomped. They have no chance, contrary to what others are saying. Anyone who can fight with Spidey on equal ground stomps the hell out of them.

Khan and Bane could win, no doubt brah. #Pyhsics

Originally posted by KingD19
Khan and Bane could win, no doubt brah. #Pyhsics

Lol inB4 TheLordofPhaggots Khan/Bane vs Ock thread

Ock isn't stomping any team that can give IM a difficult fight.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Lol inB4 TheLordofPhaggots Khan/Bane vs Ock thread

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ock isn't stomping any team that can give IM a difficult fight.

They shouldn't give Iron Man trouble he should own them just like Ock should defeat Cap & WS only people like Quan and Silent who are fanboys believe they could defeat Iron Man.

Frankly, I think Ock probably dominates.

It isn't just because his tentacles are stronger and faster than they are. It's a matter of their vastly superior reach. His tentacles have a reach many times greater than that of Cap and Bucky's, who are using very close range weapons. Now, they could try to compensate for this by throwing their weapons, but that would be a monumentally stupid idea. Ock's tentacles are easily fast enough to catch or deflect projectiles thrown at speeds far below Spiderman level speed.

Think about it like this. To do any injury at all to Ock, Cap and Bucky would have to get within near punching distance to do so. To do this, they would have to somehow get past four incredibly lethal weapons (to their two) that are much stronger, faster, and more durable than they are.

How exactly could they win? They can't. It's virtually impossible.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Frankly, I think Ock probably dominates.

It isn't just because his tentacles are stronger and faster than they are. It's a matter of their vastly superior reach. His tentacles have a reach many times greater than that of Cap and Bucky's, who are using very close range weapons. Now, they could try to compensate for this by throwing their weapons, but that would be a monumentally stupid idea. Ock's tentacles are easily fast enough to catch or deflect projectiles thrown at speeds far below Spiderman level speed.

Think about it like this. To do any injury at all to Ock, Cap and Bucky would have to get within near punching distance to do so. To do this, they would have to somehow get past four incredibly lethal weapons (to their two) that are much stronger, faster, and more durable than they are.

How exactly could they win? They can't. It's virtually impossible. And lets say they even do somehow manage to get past, against all odds. A hit from them won't take out Ock. The dude took multiple hits from Spidey. They can get their one hit and Ock will tear them in half with his tentacles (which were strong enough to tear a bank vault door off the hinges).

There's really no chance here.

If they do hit him, he'll die. As he won't survive a knife or the shield slicing something off.

The fights with Spider-Man and Ock in Spider-Man 2 were badass I think considering the context of the fights 1.Ock having Aunt May and 2.Having Mary Jane how or why would go easy I mean he might not wanted to kill Ock but he wanted to stop him. Whatever he doesn't see with his own eyes his arms will see.

Originally posted by KingD19
Khan and Bane could win, no doubt brah. #Pyhsics





Khan and Bane are outclassed by either of these guys; either would solo...