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In your opinion how much stronger (if any) is Namor compared to Aquaman?

Namor is a class 100 so he's a good deal stronger then most versions of Aquaman I would think. Though apparently the latest version of Aquaman is a lot stronger physically so I'm not sure about that.

I think post crisis Aquaman could beat Namor in a fight, but only due to telepathy.

On average Namor is stronger, but it's not by leaps and bounds. Anyone able to send Thanos back on his heals with a punch is pretty strong.

Thanks for the answers.

I think most people will agree that Namor is stronger, what it will be interesting is to see what is the general consensus of how much stronger one is compared to the other.

Not an exact number but a vague "not leaps and bounds" like stoic did, will suffice.😀

Hmm, well let me put it another way. If you were to reduce Namor to half strength I still think he would be above Aquaman, and not only by a little bit.

But again, this doesn't necessarily reflect the current version. I seem to recall hearing about a few crazy strength feats for past verions of Aquaman like...holding up a city or something like that? Or something to do with San Fransicso? But I think that is lightyears away from his average.

😊

Namor has stalemated hercules,thor,hulk all out of water....more that a few times

I've always been of the opinion Namor is stronger (with the latest Aquaman version making it the smallest gap yet), while Aquaman is faster underwater.

PreDCnU Namor was above AM, now they should be on the same level.

Lowballing of Aquaman is apparent. Theyre pretty much equals.

So we have a should be and a pretty much. Add my smallest gap yet (dirty!), and Namor having the edge is still just fine.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
PreDCnU Namor was above AM, now they should be on the same level.

Yeah this is more or less what I've been saying. There was a time when Namor was a good deal stronger and tougher then Aquaman.

Aquaman might indeed be the faster swimmer, I can't recall many swimming speed feats for Namor.

Me niether in the speed feats for Namor. Nothing wrong with that. Slight edge to both.

Namor is approximately 2x as strong as prdcnu Aquaman.

What makes you say that?

It sounds like he said pre DCnU Aquaman, in which Namor is waaay more then twice as strong as post crisis Aquaman.

Remember Martian Manhunter just f*cking laughed at Aquaman when he thought he could take on Superman.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/AquamanV429page17.jpg

You can see the pity in his eyes, lol. This guy had pretty much his entire race wiped out and he STILL f*cks with Aquaman.

Originally posted by riv6672
What makes you say that?

Namor was intended, by Marvel, to be close to 100 tons maximum. Some writers had him exceed that in some feats by accident because they weren't thinking about the force needed to do the feats. Namor as a norm can fight Thing on nearly even terms.

Aquaman has always been around 50-70 tons.

Both characters has feats above this, but them fighting a character within those strength ranges I gave will ALWAYS yield a competitive fight.


The problem with comics is that almost all strong characters can fight each other on near even terms (provided that one is not astronomically stronger than the other). Thing, Colossus, etc has fought much stronger characters on even terms. Namor has fought Hulk, Hercules, etc on near equal terms.

To make sense out of that I just say the characters he fought was operating at a lower than average strength level for the sake of the plot.

Lol 100 tons? Namor has easily lifted up ocean liners.

I'd say Namor is 30% stronger.

NU Aquaman is probably stronger, TBH. Modern Namor is pretty shit.

Physically Aquaman is better. Post-Crisis onwards he got more physically consistent.

(Post-Crisis)Breaking out of the grip of an All-Knowing one if those things I believe oneshotted Power Girl
(Post-Crisis) Traded blows with Lobo for like two pages before they started talking about Space Dolphins

Other notable stuff Pre-Flashpoint
Oneshotting Olympian (He's a 100 Tonner)
Lifting a City street
Sending Ultraman flying


Post-Flashpoint:

He beat up Hercules
Grappled with God of War Wonder Woman
Restrained Martian Manhunter who had to resort to shape-shifting to get out and was physically buffing his body
Sent Superman flying who was gone for like 6 pages and showed he was unaware of what was going on with his "where is Batman" statement
Being able to Pierce into someone as durable as Darkseid is impressive
Being able to pierce into someone as durable as Rao clean through is impressive as well.

He's also stated as one of the strongest people on DC Earth


Whereas Namor sure punched Thanos and made him bleed but he also broke his hand doing so and then got beaten up badly. Carol seems to punch Thanos as well and knock him further back I wouldnt put her by feats as stronger then Thor who couldn't even move Thanos with a hammer strike it's probably just a low showing.

Namor lacks consistency of current. But I'd put Classic Namor above Pre-Crisis Aquaman in terms of Strength.

"Like the strongest people on Earth"

http://imgur.com/PmaR71A

Johns puts Aquaman at the top when writing him.


http://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/arthur-curry-aka-aquaman-composite-respect-thread-1774986/

Namor. More consistent in his career. Currently, it may be a draw. Maybe even Namor with the edge still.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor. More consistent in his career. Currently, it may be a draw. Maybe even Namor with the edge still.

Not true at all Namor was able to fight against heavy weights in the classic days sure but those same heavy weights have got stronger over the years whereas he retained his position

Marvel has listed him below Heavyweights like Thor and Hulk maybe 1 or 2 classes below


Whereas current Aquaman is stated as one of the strongest characters on his Earth. Something I don't see Namor being stated as.

I also don't see any standard version of Namor repeating this
Aquaman vs Despero

http://imgur.com/a/vUhDg

Or Aquaman struggling against Thing or even having the slightest of a fight against Cage or even yet being beaten by Panther unless he has prep of course.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
NU Aquaman is probably stronger, TBH. Modern Namor is pretty shit.

Modern Namor has supported an island and made Thanos bleed with a single punch, lol.

While Aquatard never changes:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3xz2BtsGiAovlaCsRG/giphy.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Modern Namor has supported an island and made Thanos bleed with a single punch, lol.

While Aquatard never changes:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3xz2BtsGiAovlaCsRG/giphy.gif

Aquaman had his trident embedded in Darkseid's chest and didn't break any of his bones doing so.

As well as took an attack that sank a continent in current continuity and in the previous one an attack that oneshotted Orion. Not to mention the whole Flash point event where he was on part with Wonder Woman

Pretty impressive for Aquatard considering most of his feats against other characters arent how long he can fight them before getting beat up.

Cool pic of Momoa to forgot Aquaman was beating Namor to film as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman had his trident embedded in Darkseid's chest and didn't break any of his bones doing so.

Which is completely irrelevant here.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As well as took an attack that sank a continent in current continuity and in the previous one an attack that oneshotted Orion. Not to mention the whole Flash point event where he was on part with Wonder Woman

Same as above.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Pretty impressive for Aquatard considering most of his feats against other characters arent how long he can fight them before getting beat up.

Cool pic of Momoa to forgot Aquaman was beating Namor to film as well.

http://i45.tinypic.com/332yvdl.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Which is completely irrelevant here.

Not really to Pierce something really strong you need a great degree of strength to do it which he's shown he is strong enough to peirce Darkseid. Get a titanium knife and try to stab it into 2 inches of Steel and see if you can do it.



In regards to the insults to a fictional character I really don't care making fun of Aquaman doesn't do anything to me I laugh at jokes on Robot chicken and MAD with stuff like eating his sidekicks. If your fanfiction universe prefers him as a Virgin that's cool for you. Funny though considering he recently slept with his Wife's sister.

Yes, but the trident is magical and indestructible... so you can forget about RL physics.

The Lame Unadventures of Aquaman are 100% canon.

http://dumbbaby.net/a/i/129/01.gif

I will like for people to actually debate instead of trolling (stilt )

I know you like to make fun of Aquaman, but could you focus on carver just for today

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, but the trident is magical and indestructible... so you can forget about RL physics.

The Lame Unadventures of Aquaman are 100% canon.

http://dumbbaby.net/a/i/129/01.gif

The trident being magical doesn't mean it could tear through anything.indestructible just means it can't be destroyed it doesn't mean anyone could stab anything with it.

Aquaman pierced through Rao with another trident same strength though.

Aquaman pierced into Darkseid though not through but into.

Constantine tried to Pierce Sea King with his own trident and it hardly passed through that's because Sea King's armor was more durable then Constantine's strength.

Wonder Woman's sword is magical and Katana's cut right through it.

If Aquaman's trident is stated to ignore durability then that would be more considerable but isn't as far as I'm aware

The reason I gave the titanium example was titanium is more solid/durable I believe then steel yet try to stick a titanium knife through 2 inches of steel.

If we're using the Virgin elsewhere version of Aquaman your presenting then im sure Namor would beat that version in strength.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I will like for people to actually debate instead of trolling (stilt )

I know you like to make fun of Aquaman, but could you focus on carver just for today

Great Carver the Nine hasn't appeared here yet, sadly.

But sure, I'll take it somewhere else.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Great Carver the Nine hasn't appeared here yet, sadly.

But sure, I'll take it somewhere else.

Thank you my friend

Love you! Homo and all

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Not true at all Namor was able to fight against heavy weights in the classic days sure but those same heavy weights have got stronger over the years whereas he retained his position

Marvel has listed him below Heavyweights like Thor and Hulk maybe 1 or 2 classes below


Whereas current Aquaman is stated as one of the strongest characters on his Earth. Something I don't see Namor being stated as.

I also don't see any standard version of Namor repeating this
Aquaman vs Despero

http://imgur.com/a/vUhDg

Or Aquaman struggling against Thing or even having the slightest of a fight against Cage or even yet being beaten by Panther unless he has prep of course.

Which part isnt true? Namor being overall consistent with his strength? How is that false? And Namor has always shown to be on par or within range when fighting other heavyweights. Why would you suggest otherwise?

And just because its not stated Namor is one of the strongest on earth doesnt mean he isnt. Hes rarely mentioned as one of the strongest on earth, but considering all his fights or scuffles with the like shows him to be.

Everyone has low showings, man. Ive never seem Namor bleed from gunshots either, but Aquaman has.

A writer will do whatever they may see fit in order to fit the story. We know this. Id bet there are 99% of people who feel that Cage vs Namor is a joke. Also more times than not(not saying every time), Namor doesnt struggle much with Thing. The fights are usually somewhat competitive because for one,they have crazy history and secondly, Thing isnt leaps and bounds much weaker than Namor.

Guys, try to stay on topic. The "comedy" isn't needed.

I dont think attacks like this would bother Namor
http://imgur.com/YBwn6Xf

http://imgur.com/ku3g4xD

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think attacks like this would bother Namor
http://imgur.com/YBwn6Xf

http://imgur.com/ku3g4xD

The only way they bothered Aquaman was by pissing him off.

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As far as the thread goes: Aquaman has been, at least since COIE, a CL100 easily. During the post crisis years though, his strength just wasn't shown that often, so yes, Namor was more consistent strength wise.

New 52 though? Aquaman is basically a low to mid herald brick with some telepathy on the side. He's definitely in Namor's ball-park.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think attacks like this would bother Namor
http://imgur.com/YBwn6Xf

http://imgur.com/ku3g4xD

That has more to do with the durability of his skin. Keep in mind bullets have been able to harm Wonder Woman before. Black Bolt has physically bested Namor before yet a arrow goes through his stomach. If Namor has better piercing durability that's nice though.

Not really a strength thing the scan I provided had J'onn suggest if Despero can't physically subdue you he'll resort to telepathy which the latter is what was resorted to.

The thing is Marvel has before given a stength class of their characters that's why we know Namor's not at the top

This is where he was placed at
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/NathanGreno/2012-01-18_014452_2008-05-16_213400_MU_Strength_Chart-1.jpg

Whereas for some reason Ironman is a Super heavyweight and he's not is beyond me.

Another link to classes
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/strength-level/4015-47520/

I'd ignore this considering it's pretty ancient but then again Namor losses to Thing underwater and Cage put up a fight against him and those are physical matches.

Namor losing to Thing was bollocks, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The only way they bothered Aquaman was by pissing him off.

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It's stated as well that his skin is near bullet proof suggesting it can be cut by what's been shown to be high caliber bullets but those don't go pass the muscle which is denser then steel.

"You want to know what makes Aquaman tough"

http://imgur.com/Hn492A0

Originally posted by -Pr-
Namor losing to Thing was bollocks, though.

To be honest I don't know what to think of Namor his fight against the Squadron was pretty impressive given he did well against all of them save the heat vision.

The Panther instance seems a bit bad though.

I'd be glad if Namor was given a good fight against Thor or Hulk in recent despite some of my comments in this thread don't get me wrong I like the character I've purchased some of his stories

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's stated as well that his skin is near bullet proof suggesting it can be cut by what's been shown to be high caliber bullets but those don't go pass the muscle which is denser then steel.

"You want to know what makes Aquaman tough"

http://imgur.com/Hn492A0

TBH that issue had a few problems, but that part was something I felt strengthened my opinion. You can see that even though the bullets break his skin, they still bounce off and are warped by the impact of hitting something too tough for them.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
To be honest I don't know what to think of Namor his fight against the Squadron was pretty impressive given he did well against all of them save the heat vision.

The Panther instance seems a bit bad though.

I'd be glad if Namor was given a good fight against Thor or Hulk in recent despite some of my comments in this thread don't get me wrong I like the character I've purchased some of his stories

I don't really care about Namor either way, but he does seem to be one of those characters that writers get a bit loose with at times.

Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH that issue had a few problems,



Out of curiosity what problems are you speaking of?

http://i.imgur.com/VHAop5b.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i.imgur.com/VHAop5b.jpg

Looking at this is I agree with Hulk.

The Ironman thing doesn't seem right to me he's put up pretty good Fights against Thor but physically they shouldnt be in the same class 2 seconds or not. Regardless Heavyweights should be able to put up Fights with Super Heavy weights

I'd probably drop Ironman to heavyweight and Thing below characters like Namor and Black Bolt.

I remember that old stat sheet!
Simpler times...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Which part isnt true? Namor being overall consistent with his strength? How is that false? And Namor has always shown to be on par or within range when fighting other heavyweights. Why would you suggest otherwise?

And just because its not stated Namor is one of the strongest on earth doesnt mean he isnt. Hes rarely mentioned as one of the strongest on earth, but considering all his fights or scuffles with the like shows him to be.

Everyone has low showings, man. Ive never seem Namor bleed from gunshots either, but Aquaman has.

A writer will do whatever they may see fit in order to fit the story. We know this. Id bet there are 99% of people who feel that Cage vs Namor is a joke. Also more times than not(not saying every time), Namor doesnt struggle much with Thing. The fights are usually somewhat competitive because for one,they have crazy history and secondly, Thing isnt leaps and bounds much weaker than Namor.
Namor has been hurt by bullets as well.

http://i.imgur.com/P8RfwWQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nFatMj7.jpg

He has also been stalemated by Spider-Man five times and Thing by a dozen times.

srug

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
http://i.imgur.com/VHAop5b.jpg

Great scan. Shows Aquarian has super strength, for sure. Thanks.

Namor is easily among the elite cl 100 of marvel earth

Neither of this guys should be harmed or bothered not even by a high velocity bullets as both of them can withstand the pressures at bottom of the ocean with out a problem.

Seems to me that on land they are pretty even on strength, that might change under water though.

What does the aquaman or namor experts say?

^^^That would be...Mera and Dorma?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Neither of this guys should be harmed or bothered not even by a high velocity bullets as both of them can withstand the pressures at bottom of the ocean with out a problem.

Seems to me that on land they are pretty even on strength, that might change under water though.

What does the aquaman or namor experts say?

Aquaman gets no strength boost in water. The only thing he ever got out of it was regeneration, healing, and he tends to have better mobility then most characters.

http://m.imgur.com/a/XWcPA

Aquaman never really states he's stronger in water maybe more powerful given stuff like regeneration, healing, mobility, and sea creatures but that's it. In terms of Strength he suggest he's stronger and Quicker on land several times, and I'd assume Durability should be the same regardless of environment.

Even Pre-Crisis when he had that 1 hour weakness he didn't really get weaker on land till he started freaking out at the 59 mark or something and that weakness went away After Pre-Crisis. Referenced some Post-Crisis as a joke.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/aquaman/4005-2357/forums/aquaman-misconceptions-and-facts-thread-1768562/#18


Namor tends to comment a lot on how his strength is unmatched under the sea though so he might have a big boost underwater.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The only way they bothered Aquaman was by pissing him off.



I'm confused because it clearly shows him being shot with bullets and them drawing blood. It's not like Aquaman started crying or yelled "ouch" but they clearly hurt him. I'm thinking Namor wouldn't even notice gunfire.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm confused because it clearly shows him being shot with bullets and them drawing blood. It's not like Aquaman started crying or yelled "ouch" but they clearly hurt him. I'm thinking Namor wouldn't even notice gunfire.
Agreed, though a better way to put him might be the bullets affected Aquaman.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm confused because it clearly shows him being shot with bullets and them drawing blood. It's not like Aquaman started crying or yelled "ouch" but they clearly hurt him. I'm thinking Namor wouldn't even notice gunfire.

It's irrelevant to the strength topic. Sure bullets can scratch the surface of his skin but it does nothing to the actual muscle itself which is said to be 10 times that of a Human. I believe the typical Asgardian muscle density is 3 times of a human.

Wonder Woman has been harmed by bullets more then New52 Aquaman or Namor by personal feats though she's stronger then either.

Regardless Aquaman has better durability to heat based attacks like heat vision then Namor.

Side note: Pretty much every single version of Aquaman should be turned into the version from the Batman Brave and the Bold cartoon, it would be awesome.

19ENf36bpco

Originally posted by Surtur
Side note: Pretty much every single version of Aquaman should be turned into the version from the Batman Brave and the Bold cartoon, it would be awesome.

19ENf36bpco

I like the beard but I prefer the Regal and Darker versions I wouldn't mind if Aquaman got drunk on Sea rum and started acting like Brave and The Bold version.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's irrelevant to the strength topic.

Wonder Woman has been harmed by bullets more then New52 Aquaman or Namor by personal feats though she's stronger then either.

Regardless Aquaman has better durability to heat based attacks like heat vision then Namor.

Yes, but the comment I was quoting seemed to be ignoring that the scan was indeed showing a difference between Namor and Aquaman in how they'd handle those attacks.

But yes it doesn't show anything in regards to who is physically stronger.

For which I still stand by saying that current Aquaman is probably a lot closer to Namor then past versions.

Originally posted by Surtur
Side note: Pretty much every single version of Aquaman should be turned into the version from the Batman Brave and the Bold cartoon, it would be awesome.

19ENf36bpco

Aquaman was great in that show.

I pretty much liked every character in Brave and Bold, even characters I generally don't like at all, like Batman himself. lol

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but the comment I was quoting seemed to be ignoring that the scan was indeed showing a difference between Namor and Aquaman in how they'd handle those attacks.

But yes it doesn't show anything in regards to who is physically stronger.

For which I still stand by saying that current Aquaman is probably a lot closer to Namor then past versions.

Current Aquaman tends to hang with higher characters of his Universe he's above Namor.

Past Versions by scaling like PC Upwards had better feats then Powergirl.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Aquaman was great in that show.

I pretty much liked every character in Brave and Bold, even characters I generally don't like at all, like Batman himself. lol

Yep the show perfectly captured the Silver Age.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Current Aquaman tends to hang with higher characters of his Universe he's above Namor.

Past Versions by scaling like PC Upwards had better feats then Powergirl.

I'm not exactly really sure what you mean by this. Like post crisis Aquaman generally wasn't presented as a physical peer of people like Superman and Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not exactly really sure what you mean by this. Like post crisis Aquaman generally wasn't presented as a physical peer of people like Superman and Wonder Woman.

He had several feats back then to suggest he was above certain characters.

Superman and Wonder Woman tend to get more exposure and storyline where they're heavily featured in the JL or DCU and most writers played with their physicals.

Aquaman it varied with writers but again he has enough feats to justify my opinion that he's higher given he doesn't struggle with lower tier characters like Spiderman and Thing physically given earlier comments in this thread.

Physical fights
All-Knowing (Creature that oneshotted Powergirl), Amazo (Pretty sure we know who this is), Despero (Pretty sure we know who this is), Lobo and that's off head. Even in the 1985 Suicide Squad title Piscator vs Aquaman. There's the fight in the PAD run Triton vs Aquaman. Triton a guy who pretty much manhandled a young Diana and Arthur

Even in Panic in the Sky Jurgens suggested where he sees Aquaman, Johns has shown where he sees Aquaman, PAD has shown where he sees Aquaman and these are pretty highly regarded writers for Aquaman.

"In our League?"

http://imgur.com/wtATi9D

Fought some invaders that "can go head to head with Superman"

http://imgur.com/i3LPeyh

"Like the strongest people on Earth"

http://imgur.com/PmaR71A

Aquaman vs Despero

http://imgur.com/a/vUhDg

Aquaman vs Wonder Woman

http://imgur.com/a/88fW0

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Current Aquaman tends to hang with higher characters of his Universe he's above Namor.

Past Versions by scaling like PC Upwards had better feats then Powergirl.
Uh, no.
But hey, its all about the difference of opinion.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He had several feats back then to suggest he was above certain characters.

Superman and Wonder Woman tend to get more exposure and storyline where they're heavily featured in the JL or DCU and most writers played with their physicals.

Aquaman it varied with writers but again he has enough feats to justify my opinion that he's higher given he doesn't struggle with lower tier characters like Spiderman and Thing physically given earlier comments in this thread.

Physical fights
All-Knowing (Creature that oneshotted Powergirl), Amazo (Pretty sure we know who this is), Despero (Pretty sure we know who this is), Lobo and that's off head. Even in the 1985 Suicide Squad title Piscator vs Aquaman.

Even in Panic in the Sky Jurgens suggested where he sees Aquaman, Johns has shown where he sees Aquaman, PAD has shown where he sees Aquaman and these are pretty highly regarded writers for Aquaman.

I am not doubting that there are some very high end feats for Aquaman out there, but surely you can agree that he hasn't really been generally presented as a peer of Class 100's like the ones I named?

Didn't Aquaman actually fought Titus for a full minute under water?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Didn't Aquaman actually fought Titus for a full minute under water?

Pretty much but a lot of its off panel. I got that Aquaman us strong enough to make him feel his punch and durable enough to take a hit from Titus which is impressive given Titusville couldn't really be beaten by any single member of the JL

Originally posted by Surtur
I am not doubting that there are some very high end feats for Aquaman out there, but surely you can agree that he hasn't really been generally presented as a peer of Class 100's like the ones I named?

Most of his physical feats are against cl 100 I'd place that as consistent regardless if there's not many of them. There's enough to suggest it's consistent enough to place him there and not much to dissuade it after maybe like 12 issues in PAD Aquaman.

Originally posted by riv6672
Uh, no.
But hey, its all about the difference of opinion.
Nothing I suggested was untrue. I suggest current Aquaman tends to hang around characters really top class on his Earth

Aquaman vs Hercules
Aquaman vs Wonder Woman
Aquaman vs Martian Manhunter
Aquaman breaking Graves pretas

Anyways most of those feats are just character statements. Now the Despero one...Aquaman shanks Despero from behind with what looks like a piece of rebar or something. Weren't you the one talking about piercing durability and all that?

Then with the Wonder Woman thing she clearly doesn't want to have to hurt Aquaman.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways most of those feats are just character statements. Now the Despero one...Aquaman shanks Despero from behind with what looks like a piece of rebar or something. Weren't you the one talking about piercing durability and all that?

Then with the Wonder Woman thing she clearly doesn't want to have to hurt Aquaman.


The statements are backed up with showings, writers tend to make statements to suggest where a character stands.

Wonder Woman is under mind control from Caelena she's not holding back.

Aquaman vs Despero goes on for like 3 or 4 pages.

Martian Manhunter "If he can't take you physically he'll resort to telepathy" which is what happened.

Not really I'm pretty sure you were focused on piercing durability I think it's irrelevant in regards to the strength topic.

Ugh,
Namor beat hulk
Stalemated a BL thor
KO'd BRB
Stalemated hercules on land
Overpowered hercules underwater
Beat up rulk
Made thanos bleed
took on thors during SW
Stalemated BM
Made apocalypse flee
Etc,
In terms of hangong with the top dogs,namor is way ahead,and is quote more durable too

Yeah. Namor's list of feats is pretty incredible.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The statements are backed up with showings, writers tend to make statements to suggest where a character stands.

Wonder Woman is under mind control from Caelena she's not holding back.

Aquaman vs Despero goes on for like 3 or 4 pages.

Martian Manhunter "If he can't take you physically he'll resort to telepathy" which is what happened.

Not really I'm pretty sure you were focused on piercing durability I think it's irrelevant in regards to the strength topic.

I'm quite curious what you're trying to say though. Post crisis Superman and post crisis Aquaman have an arm wrestling contest, who wins?

Originally posted by Surtur
Post crisis Superman and post crisis Aquaman have an arm wrestling contest, who wins?

Superman is allowed to only use his pinkie which was broken moments ago by Darkseid, I understand?

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm quite curious what you're trying to say though. Post crisis Superman and post crisis Aquaman have an arm wrestling contest, who wins?

I'm not suggesting Aquaman is more stronger then Superman. I'm suggesting some writers don't have him hopelessly outclassed and he does have feats against characters considered S Class that show him hanging.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not suggesting Aquaman is more stronger then Superman. I'm suggesting some writers don't have him hopelessly outclassed and he does have feats against characters considered S Class that show him hanging.

But that doesn't really answer my question. How much effort do you think Superman would need to exert to defeat Aquaman in a contest of pure strength?

Originally posted by Genii96
Ugh,
Namor beat hulk
Stalemated a BL thor
KO'd BRB
Stalemated hercules on land
Overpowered hercules underwater
Beat up rulk
Made thanos bleed
took on thors during SW
Stalemated BM
Made apocalypse flee
Etc,
In terms of hangong with the top dogs,namor is way ahead,and is quote more durable too

Namor can't really beat modern versions of Hulk I'd be excited to see it but he's only ever faired well against older weaker versions of the character.

I don't know much about most these instances so I don't know how to take them but he broke the bones in his hand punching Thanos.. Carol seems to have punched Thanos further away without harming herself. Aquaman sent Superman flying and Superman was gone for about 6 pages and came back to ask "Where's Batman" who got taken down in the previous page showing Superman was gone for quite some time. Aquaman continued to use that fist throughout Throne of Atlantis.

Namor might have better durability to piercing objects but it's questionable to me in blunt force. Most of his fights against Thor look like he's avoiding Thor's hits and then hitting back when he does get tagged we usually see the effects of it.

Originally posted by Surtur
But that doesn't really answer my question. How much effort do you think Superman would need to exert to defeat Aquaman in a contest of pure strength?

Post-Crisis versions?

Let's say...both.

New 52, and Pre-52.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Post-Crisis versions?

Yes. How much physical power can Aquaman bring to the table in comparison.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let's say...both.

New 52, and Pre-52.


I see arm wrestling as a show of continous strength so things like Grappling with powerhouses and Lifting items for extended periods of time I think are more impressive then punching something which I see as initial strength.

New52 I think has better stuff in the fact that he's restrained a Buffed Martian Manhunter who had to resort to shape-shifting to break free, Grappled and Out grappled at times with a Mind tampered Wonder Woman, Restrained Hercules who resorted to banging ramming him to a mountain to get him off and Grappled with Frankenstein.

I'd put MMH as comparable enough to Superman to atleast say New52 Aquaman should atleast make Superman take him a bit serious in arm wrestling.


Pre52 I can think of stuff like restraining Superboy with hook hand, Out muscling an All-Knowing one of these things KO'd Powergirl, Overpowering I believe Triton whose restrained a young Diana, and Combatting against Dr. Polaris magnetism pull. I don't know how to quantify any of that so I'd default give it Superman.


If we look at how much they've lifted individually though and that's thought as a better indicator then Superman obviously beats him effortlessly in either continuity and does the same with lots of characters who have feats lifting planets.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Namor can't really beat modern versions of Hulk I'd be excited to see it but he's only ever faired well against older weaker versions of the character.

I don't know much about most these instances so I don't know how to take them but he broke the bones in his hand punching Thanos.. Carol seems to have punched Thanos further away without harming herself. Aquaman sent Superman flying and Superman was gone for about 6 pages and came back to ask "Where's Batman" who got taken down in the previous page showing Superman was gone for quite some time. Aquaman continued to use that fist throughout Throne of Atlantis.

Namor might have better durability to piercing objects but it's questionable to me in blunt force. Most of his fights against Thor look like he's avoiding Thor's hits and then hitting back when he does get tagged we usually see the effects of it.

Huh? Where did you get the 'he can't hang with hulk' bit from?
He made thanos bleed, breaking his knuckles hitting thanos dosent mean anything,aquaman cheapshotted supes from behind
Considering that namor took a nuke, a scream from black bolt,and so forth.his blunt force is quite higher
Namor took a mjonir hit to the back of the head and was still standing,and has taken those hits multiple times, did you actually see the fight?

Namor's track record against the Hulk is fantastic compared to other characters.

Lots of battles, mostly stalemates, but he did one-shot Savage Hulk underwater once.

Originally posted by Genii96
Huh? Where did you get the 'he can't hang with hulk' bit from?
He made thanos bleed, breaking his knuckles hitting thanos dosent mean anything,aquaman cheapshotted supes from behind
Considering that namor took a nuke, a scream from black bolt,and so forth.his blunt force is quite higher
Namor took a mjonir hit to the back of the head and was still standing,and has taken those hits multiple times, did you actually see the fight?

Aquaman charged straight forward at Superman unless were talking about different occasions... Aquaman was at a distance and charged straight at him.

A lot of characters have taken screams from Black Bolt I like Blackagar but his scream is more impressive because of statements that don't hold up rather then actual feats. I remember the entire Illuminati taking a scream from Black Bolt when he was under mind control.

He wasnt standing with the Mljonir hit by the way he was knocked to the ground still conscious but still fell. I'm actually questioning if you saw the fight your referencing.

Aquaman has took a scream said to destroy matter by Asmodel, Fell from orbit at speeds faster then thought, and took a blast that oneshotted Orion. In durability comparison.

Aquaman has took a scream said to destroy matter by Asmodel, Fell from orbit at speeds faster then thought, and took a blast that oneshotted Orion. In durability comparison. Namor might have a better durability I'm not sure but none of the stuff mentioned proves it to me. Stuff like how he handled Hyperion's HV compared to how Aquaman has taken stuff like Hellfire and Amazo's HV as well as Martian Vision makes me believe Aquaman has better durability to heat. Being able to take hits from a guy who oneshotted Superman and destroyed Hal makes me believe his blunt force trauma is comparable if not higher. Being able to take a continous blast from Starro that oneshotted Orion makes me believe his durability to energy based attacks are higher or atleast comparable even. As for now though comparable is nothing but speculation on my part I see Arthur as higher.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor's track record against the Hulk is fantastic compared to other characters.

Lots of battles, mostly stalemates, but he did one-shot Savage Hulk underwater once. Hulk, Thor, Surfer are all much stronger and durable than they were back in the decades when Namor were stalemating them, even the Thing as well, while Namor is at the same level, so he's not the beast that he use to be.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Some of his best feats happened in the latest decade.

I don't see Namor to be much stronger than Aquaman to be honest.

They both seem like low level class 100's.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You have no idea what you're talking about. Some of his best feats happened in the latest decade.

Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.

The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.

Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.

I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.

Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.

His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.

The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.

Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.

I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.

Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.

His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck. My point exactly and well said.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol 100 tons? Namor has easily lifted up ocean liners.

Namor was intended, by Marvel, to be close to 100 tons maximum. Some writers had him exceed that in some feats by accident because they weren't thinking about the force needed to do the feats. Namor as a norm can fight Thing on nearly even terms. Thing is a fixed 100 tons. He's the benchmark or basis for calculation.

So if Namor is many times 100 tons then all of his fights with Thing are PIS.


My opinion is that Namor should be above Thing but not by that much. That's why I say 2x Aquaman (post crisis).

So every character ever then.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor's track record against the Hulk is fantastic compared to other characters.

Lots of battles, mostly stalemates, but he did one-shot Savage Hulk underwater once.
They always stalemate on land,namor usually beats him underwater.
Wouldn't really call that a oneshot tbh, they had a brief scuffle before that,then torpedoed at each other,namor came out victorious

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.

The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.

Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.

I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.

Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.

His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck.

He stalemated voidtry too,who had none of those problems
Namor didn't face a depowered hercules,hulk did that,and nearly beat him to death
Cage and thing happened in the same storyline,said storyline also had namor beating the sh*t outta cage,and thing unable to beat him on land so..
Against BP he was barely fighting back

When has thor or hulk made thanos bleed with their punches?

-you place them 'far' above him with no concrete reasons whatsoever

Originally posted by Genii96
He stalemated voidtry too,who had none of those problems
Namor didn't face a depowered hercules,hulk did that,and nearly beat him to death
Cage and thing happened in the same storyline,said storyline also had namor beating the sh*t outta cage,and thing unable to beat him on land so..
Against BP he was barely fighting back

When has thor or hulk made thanos bleed with their punches?

-you place them 'far' above him with no concrete reasons whatsoever

I dont put bleeding as a end all reason to be impressed. Batman on venom has made Superman bleed when characters like Lobo couldn't even phase Superman with a punch that doesn't make me believe Batman w/vemom punches harder then Lobo but then in that instance it comes off that way. I use what happens next as my indication how much the punch seems to effect the character.but then again given the dialogue like Thanos calling Namor "a capable character" maybe I'm reading to much into the "every bone in my hand breaks" given that he challenged Thanos solely compared to the Avengers in Infinity who were having problems against him as a group it might be more impressive then im giving it credit on. CV regards it as PIS given Thor's hammer strike didn't have the same effect on Thanos and Black Bolt's voice did the same as Namor's fist.

By logic that would be suggesting that Namor punches as hard as the damage BB's voice can deliver and harder then Mljonir strikes from Thor. That would also imply Capt. Marvel who couldn't do anything to Thanos in Infinity and got tired after punching Hulk several times also had some power increase when punching Thanos away from Rhodey.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor was intended, by Marvel, to be close to 100 tons maximum. Some writers had him exceed that in some feats by accident because they weren't thinking about the force needed to do the feats. Namor as a norm can fight Thing on nearly even terms. Thing is a fixed 100 tons. He's the benchmark or basis for calculation.

So if Namor is many times 100 tons then all of his fights with Thing are PIS.


My opinion is that Namor should be above Thing but not by that much. That's why I say 2x Aquaman (post crisis).

The Marvel Scan from Rao, is from when comics made sense and Iron Man could channel all his power into one punch and knock out an enraged Hulk. No Herald or Trans or whatever other bullshit. Brilliant.

That showing had context.

Originally posted by carver9
That showing had context.

Yes it did, an enraged savage Hulk got ktfo.

Originally posted by Bolo Yueng
The Marvel Scan from Rao, is from when comics made sense
A shitload of errors in it, actually.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A shitload of errors in it, actually.

I disagree, at the time it had no errors. It's only as things have got sillier errors appear.

It did. Try opening your eyes

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It did. Try opening your eyes

Nope, at the time Woderman's fists hit like Thor's hammer. I would agree the groupings are broad but that's pretty much how they were around the early eighties.

Broad? Ghost Rider in Surfer's class? Please

For new readers, it wasn't a bad list, sure... could give them the general idea of strength-lv differences, at least. But accurate, it was not. Even at that time. And no battleboard has ever treated it seriously, I assure you.

Well it will actually explain why spiderman is a physical challenge for heralds, it will also explain why Spiderman can KO a calm Hulk, why Namor can beat Hulk underwater, why Thing dominates SS physically and why SS will need to amp his strength to match Thing

Spiderman isn't a physical challenge for heralds,SS was depowered when he faced thing.

Lets not kid ourselves, most people know SS is not a physical force. And if you have a problem with someone like spiderman being a physical match for SS complain to Stan Lee

Not a physical force?you are delusional,I don't have a problem with spiderman being a physical match,assuming it wasn't a piece of sh*t you pulled from your ass

Originally posted by Genii96
Not a physical force?you are delusional,I don't have a problem with spiderman being a physical match,assuming it wasn't a piece of sh*t you pulled from your ass

No he is not a strong man per say. I am actually thinking about making a thread of spiderman vs ss strength feats.

And yes the thing I am pulling from my ass was written by stan lee, so complain with him he is the one who actually pulled that one from his ass

Silver Surfer is not a strong man herald class. I think most people will know this by now he is an energy manipulator not a syrong man like Hulk or Herc

Anyway, lets leave that out for the proper thread so we don't derail this one, which I am really enjoying a lot

Wait are you seriously suggesting that Spider-Man is physically stronger then Silver Surfer? As in..normal Spidey? Not some amped version..like with the Captain Universe powers? The normal Spidey who is like..class 10-20 at best?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman has took a scream said to destroy matter by Asmodel, Fell from orbit at speeds faster then thought, and took a blast that oneshotted Orion.

Now wait are you talking about post crisis Aquaman? Since if you are..you don't see a problem with Aquaman taking a blast that ONE SHOTS friggin Orion? Orion of all people..the guy who is essentially a class 100. I'm not saying the feat didn't happen, but I just wonder if you genuinely feel Aquaman is more durable then friggin Orion..



Lol if you take the Orion feat as legit then how is Aquaman not leaps and bounds more durable then Namor?



So you genuinely believe that Aquaman taking hits from someone who one shots Superman...is more or less an accurate depiction of Aquamans power levels? Keep in mind Superman can shrug off nukes. If Aquaman was at ground zero of a nuclear bomb what do you think would happen?

Originally posted by Surtur
Wait are you seriously suggesting that Spider-Man is physically stronger then Silver Surfer? As in..normal Spidey? Not some amped version..like with the Captain Universe powers? The normal Spidey who is like..class 10-20 at best?

I am suggesting that he is in the same strength class as spiderman and when amping he goes to the next strength class (namor) but that he is not a strong man like hulk, herc or thing.

I actually think that Ben will have better feats of strength than Surfer, maybe even spiderman could have more and better feats of strength, why? Because SS is not a strong man, but an energy manipulator.

Also he will be one of those cases where his invulnerability will be leaps and bounds ahead of his strength.

It is a theory of mine and if anyone will like to research it they are welcome to try it. I am currently in no position to research this.

I will like to defend spiderman, but my health does not allows me to expend that kind of energy on a serious debate, so I will just leave it as an IDEA or opinion of mine, but I think it will be interesting to research this further.

He does has few strength feats. But nothing like a strong man feats like herc , hulk etc

Originally posted by Surtur
Now wait are you talking about post crisis Aquaman? Since if you are..you don't see a problem with Aquaman taking a blast that ONE SHOTS friggin Orion? Orion of all people..the guy who is essentially a class 100. I'm not saying the feat didn't happen, but I just wonder if you genuinely feel Aquaman is more durable then friggin Orion..



Lol if you take the Orion feat as legit then how is Aquaman not leaps and bounds more durable then Namor?



So you genuinely believe that Aquaman taking hits from someone who one shots Superman...is more or less an accurate depiction of Aquamans power levels? Keep in mind Superman can shrug off nukes. If Aquaman was at ground zero of a nuclear bomb what do you think would happen?

Yeah I do take it as a showing suggesting what Aquaman is capable of in terms of durability given you referenced both the Starro/Orion thing and Titus/Superman thing there tends to be a number of instances where he has done stuff similar.

I could go on to name more as well and fights with characters that also tend to wreck the League other then just Starro and Titus.

I feel like someone who believes Aquaman shouldnt be capable of instances like that only have a base knowledge on the character and really shouldn't be commenting on the characters capabilities.

I'd place him below Superman in terms of durability but that's because Superman has more stuff generally putting him above everyone else. Other then that Aquaman has his fair share of Class 100 feats. Orion has him beat in versatility given the astro harness and force

Originally posted by Surtur
Now wait are you talking about post crisis Aquaman? Since if you are..you don't see a problem with Aquaman taking a blast that ONE SHOTS friggin Orion? Orion of all people..the guy who is essentially a class 100. I'm not saying the feat didn't happen, but I just wonder if you genuinely feel Aquaman is more durable then friggin Orion..



Lol if you take the Orion feat as legit then how is Aquaman not leaps and bounds more durable then Namor?



So you genuinely believe that Aquaman taking hits from someone who one shots Superman...is more or less an accurate depiction of Aquamans power levels? Keep in mind Superman can shrug off nukes. If Aquaman was at ground zero of a nuclear bomb what do you think would happen?

Aquaman is a class 100 though. Or did you mean something else?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Aquaman is a class 100 though. Or did you mean something else?

Class 100... with muscles 10x times more dense than those of normal humans! vin

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111173561/4875935-aquaman+physicals+1.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Class 100... with muscles 10x times more dense than those of normal humans! vin

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111173561/4875935-aquaman+physicals+1.jpg

Erm, Manta and that other guy are both class 10s

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Class 100... with muscles 10x times more dense than those of normal humans! vin

http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111173561/4875935-aquaman+physicals+1.jpg

Not bad considering Asgardian Gods are suggested to have a muscle density 3x that of a human only difference is their skin and bone tissue is 3x as dense of that of a human as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Not bad considering Asgardian Gods are suggested to have a muscle density 3x that of a human only difference is their skin and bone tissue is 3x as dense of that of a human as well.

What comic that was stated in?

Just don't mention handbooks or internet bios, we don't really use those here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What comic that was stated in?

Just don't mention handbooks or internet bios, we don't really use those here.

Think it was mentioned in the Marvel Handbook/Guidebook which I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted cause I see that as the company suggesting who the character is and where they place said character.

Regardless Aquaman's muscles are denser then steel by the statement and he has feats that put him Class 100 in both continuites without powerscaling.


Here's the statement by company though in case anyone wanted to see it.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111252882/5188082-0585261526-tumbl.jpg

Thanks. I never mind having more scans to troll Thor fans with

We generally value on-panel statements higher, though.

Thor is stated to be able to lift 95 tons in that bio.

crylaugh

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thanks. I never mind having more scans to troll Thor fans with

We generally value on-panel statements higher, though.

Fair enough by feats though they both should be higher then some statements that have been made though.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Thor is stated to be able to lift 95 tons in that bio.

crylaugh

"Thor can lift 95 tons" not "Thor at most can lift 95 tons" reading comprehension mate.

Asgardians can lift about 30 tons, Thor can lift 95.

What in that sentence makes you believe about "Nah, Thor can lift 500 tons but we give him the number of 95 tons just for shits and giggles.?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Asgardians can lift about 30 tons, Thor can lift 95.

What in that sentence makes you believe about "Nah, Thor can lift 500 tons but we give him the number of 95 tons just for shits and giggles.?

As far as I'm concerned it's just giving him a base level.

The fact is says "Thor can" as far as I'm concerned just suggest something he's capable of doing it doesn't suggest that's his limit unless there's words edged between the sentence that are microscopic saying "at most' lift 95"

Same thing with character being stated as Class 100 to suggest there 100 tonners but some can lift twice as much.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Thor is stated to be able to lift 95 tons in that bio.

crylaugh



Equal to Wonder Man and Ulik!



http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/95.htm

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As far as I'm concerned it's just giving him a base level.

The fact is says "Thor can" as far as I'm concerned just suggest something he's capable of doing it doesn't suggest that's his limit unless there's words edged between the sentence that are microscopic saying "at most' lift 95"

Same thing with character being stated as Class 100 to suggest there 100 tonners but some can lift twice as much.
Seriously?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Not bad considering Asgardian Gods are suggested to have a muscle density 3x that of a human only difference is their skin and bone tissue is 3x as dense of that of a human as well. None of Aquaman's bios bill him over 350lbs, Thor's consistently been billed at 640lbs, but I guess it also says in Asgardian bios that "it may have an impact on their weight". Thor is bulletproof and Aquaman is nearly

Originally posted by psycho gundam
None of Aquaman's bios bill him over 350lbs, Thor's consistently been billed at 640lbs

? How much they weigh? Superman weighs like 235lb and he's stronger then both of them by feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously?

It's honestly how I see it or how I see it could be read as. I will admit it sounds like a strange number though to list. Current handbooks just say he's class 100.

None of it matters; there is no correlation

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Thor is bulletproof

creepermm

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111216019/4655833-4481041-blackpanther08p12.jpg

That post was anticipated

based on what current Namor did to the avengers safe to say current Namor is certainly above Aquaman. Namor is herald level

but Aquaman strength is being constantly downplayed

thought this was a interesting debate
so im gonna some scans showing aquaman's strength

He has lifted a city block, a cruise ship and building, lift and throw a sunken ship at the Dead King, lifted an OIL RIG, tossing a submarine off the ocean floor and out of the water

keep in mind this is both his pre52 and nu52 feats, I say strength wise he's def between high meta and low herald, adding TP he's one of the top of high meta

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137442/3167642-0536494214-aquam.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137442/3167641-1413684941-aquam.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/137442/2840500-2438773-justiceleague_10_thegroup_010.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DhPdUnZ.jpg
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https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/139093/3155307-3135593-aquaman%2B%282011-%29%2B021-006.jpg

He also rack up some nice feats in drowned earth I'll see if I can find them.

I don't know if you can say he's as strong as Namor (I heard Namor got some nice feats lately), but Aquaman is solidly in the herald-tier strength-wise. Even if you want to argue that it's on the lower end, it's just not been as consistently shown as it is nowadays.

By comparative showings, Namor is stronger than anybody in Marvel other than Hulk/Sentry.

I somehow doubt that he's going to stay that way.

Namor vs Asgard in War of Realms please. That's the only way the payoff could be worth... this

Namor is head and shoulders above Aquaman in strength even ignoring his recent boost, he has lifted hydrobase from the bottom of a river, supported islands,held back Doom's city sized ship, and iirc had to briefly hold up the pillar that supported both the City of city of Atlantis and The Utopia island, and based on his fights, he has matched just about every elite tier in strength

Namor vs Aquaman is one of the few dc vs marvel deathbattles I don't agree with

the other oe is Rogue vs WW