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Luke Skywalker is going rogue Revan-esque, and you must assemble a party to defeat him. This Luke isn't holding back, and will attack you with every trick in his arsenal.

No Vitiate/Valkorion, Revan, or World Razor/Bedlam Spirits/etc.

What is the smallest strike team you could assemble that would

Take a majority?
Win solidly 10/10 times?

No-one. TOR is screwed.

You can also fancy teams with Revan if you really want to.

The entire TOR era?

Kun, Nihilus, Arcann

*snigger*

If its not just SWTOR though, they might have a chance.

Gah, I meant to say SWTOR, as in the mmorg. I suppose if you really need to use KOTOR characters for your team to work, that's on you.

That being said, I actually don't think Kun + Nihilus + Arcann would be enough, not against an all-out Luke lol.

Darth Malgus (False Emperor); Darth Thanaton; Darth Marr; and Darth Nox (with Force ghosts bind to him) - should be more then enough.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
That being said, I actually don't think Kun + Nihilus + Arcann would be enough, not against an all-out Luke lol.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/5/58/200x200px-ZC-580771f7_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

^ lmao @ that team beating an unrestrained Skywalker.

Anyone else wanna give it a shot?

In SWTOR:

Nox, Wrath, Outlander, Arcann, 'Thor, Malgus and Satele would get the job done.


And if Luke can't defend against Nihilus's drain plus you add a powerful strike team, he'd go down.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian

Nox, Wrath, Outlander, Arcann, 'Thor, Malgus and Satele would get the job done.


Nah. Aside from Arcann, this is not terribly stronger than the team that got ragdolled by Revan. And everyone knows Revan is an insect next to Luke.

Nox and Wrath are one-shotted, Malgus gets electric judgment, Satele gets a lightsaber space-folded into her skull, 'Thor gets blitzed, and Outlander and Arcann are humiliated.

It's actually much stronger. And in a strict duel, those individuals would defeat him. It really depends on the setting.

Revan + Raptus, Bestia, Brontes, Calphayus, Styrak, and Tyrans.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Revan + Raptus, Bestia, Brontes, Calphayus, Styrak, and Tyrans.
+ Vitiate + Malgus + Santa Claus...
There's a strike team.
But seriously Malgus solos.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Revan + Raptus, Bestia, Brontes, Calphayus, Styrak, and Tyrans.
So Revan and the Dread Masters?

Probably.

Lol Luke would one shot the Dead Masters.

Luke not holding back is a scary thought... and if it's true that he can go into oneness at will well then, the list is gonna be pretty long isn't it

The Outlander solos. estahuh

I have the gap between Luke and Revan about the same as the gap between Palpatine and Maul.

That's pretty funny.

It's plausible. It's implied that the strike team + Revan can't beat Vitiate, so the gap between Revan and the Sith Emperor is probably at least comparable to the gap between, say, RotJ Vader and TPM Sidious (this isn't a rigorous fact and as with all of these ideas, involves some leaps of faith, but it seems plausible). canon tells us that TPM Sidious > Vitiate.

How big is the gap between Vader and Maul? Maul is modestly below Dooku, but not unimaginably so. Dooku is probably fairly substantially below Vader as a Force user, but I think it's plausible to say that the gap is smaller than the Vader-Sidious one given that Vader does struggle with Jedi that are probably not on Dooku's level albeit before his prime in RotJ, and seeing as how Yoda only absorbs Dooku's lightning "far from easily". So let's say the gap from Maul to TPM Palpatine is like twice the gap from Vader to Palpatine, and ergo from Revan to Vitiate.


What's the gap between Luke and TPM Palpatine? Is it as big as the gap from Maul to Vader? That's plausible if we're talking about a no-holds-barred prime Luke. He's stated to have inherited his father's 200% of Sidious's potential. By DE, he just needs some "hidden resources" from Leia to beat DE Sidious, potential that can probably be unlocked with 30+ years of growth. He should be substantially beyond TPM Palpatine. I don't see how one could look at Luke's growth curve and, even knowing that he'll probably hit diminishing returns, conclude that in 30 years he can't make up the ground, if any, between his DE self and TPM Palpatine, and then enough to cover the gap between Maul and Vader.

I'm tired and rambling so this may be a little weird.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's pretty funny.
And ridiculous

It's not my problem that there's a character more wanked than even your Gawd Emprah.

Soa with a Ysalamiri. awermm

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Luke knows how to resist ysalamiri, lmao.

Also no Soa, see OP. Luke would win though.

Nah.

Kephis then. awermm

LOL

Sorry that your favorite era can't muster a strike force of less than a dozen people to beat Luke. You're out Sued here.

No worries Eliminist, SWTOR hasn't even unleashed it's most powerful weapon yet.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
LOL

Sorry that your favorite era can't muster a strike force of less than a dozen people to beat Luke. You're out Sued here.

You mean, after you restricted the most powerful characters and made it a berserk, hyper-competent Luke? Gosh. Yeah that sure is pathetic. You are, I mean.

It's not like other era's could do it with similar restrictions.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I have the gap between Luke and Revan about the same as the gap between Palpatine and Maul.


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion = 170
Vitiate (Rise of the Emperor) = 150
Luke Skywalker = 140
Palpatine (Dark Empire) = 140
The Sith Emperor (SWTOR original) = 130
Revan (Shadow of Revan) = 110
Palpatine (OT) = 100

Revan is actually above ROTJ Sids.

lmao

haermm

Revan, Dread Masters, Arcann, and Vaylin.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Revan, Dread Masters, Arcann, and Vaylin.

Do the dread masters have any noteworthy non-TP feats?

I'm not sure if this team is enough, tbh.

1. The most noteworthy TK feat they have IIRC is a weakling Esh-Ka Shaman drawing on one of the weakened!Dread Master's power to annihilate a large Rakatan statue via throwing a dude into it. Full power collective Dread >>>>>>>

2. Even if they had nothing other than TP, that'd still be extremely useful when Luke also has to deal with Revan, Arcann, and Vaylin.

3. Luke dies.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. The most noteworthy TK feat they have IIRC is a weakling Esh-Ka Shaman drawing on one of the weakened!Dread Master's power to annihilate a large Rakatan statue via throwing a dude into it. Full power collective Dread >>>>>>>


Yeah...that isn't really that much.



Hmmm I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced that they would be able to do anything before Luke blitzes them, or that their TP would actually have much of an effect on Luke (who has shown to be pretty good at dealing with multiple threats at once without letting his guard down). They couldn't break Revan with Vitiate's help in 300 years, nor could they break the protagonists; the most that they've done is to just drive a few ship crews insane, which Luke can do before NJO.



Nah. It would be the B-team 2.0.

The Dread Masters and Revan alone might solo, lmfao.

lmao.

The dread masters are collectively nothing next to Vitiate. Luke >>>>>> Vitiate. Do the math.

Vitiate, even as of the novel, is approaching Skywalker level.

Wow, you must have Valkorion vastly above Sidious/Luke.

He has Sidious and Valkorion far above Luke.

Nah, I have them the same level, but I'm always ready to counter-act the Skywalker wank when needed.

nice

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate, even as of the novel, is approaching Skywalker level.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate, even as of the novel, is approaching Skywalker level.

0/10 logic fail. If the dread masters are nothing next to a guy who is on Luke's level...they're nothing next to Luke. Lol @ whatever you were trying to argue for.

And come back to me when a non-nexus, no prep Vitiate can:

Move singularities.
Destroy Vader's mountain sized fortress.
Pin Caedus to his chair without gesturing.
Rip apart battlecruisers.
Render himself immovable.
Defeat Wankatine.


Novel Vitiate's best nexus-less feat is killing his father.

BTW, he's canonically weaker than TPM Sidious.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
0/10 logic fail. So it's not a fail at all?

TBH Jadus protecting his capital ship from an explosion that could have obliterated it is superior to Luke just pulling off some plating.

And Jadus is nothing to Vitiate.

Originally posted by Sinious
So it's not a fail at all?

Lmao.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
0/10 logic fail. If the dread masters are nothing next to a guy who is on Luke's level...they're nothing next to Luke. Lol @ whatever you were trying to argue for.
I never said the Dread Masters were nothing next to Vitiate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
TBH Jadus protecting his capital ship from an explosion that could have obliterated it is superior to Luke just pulling off some plating.

TBH Luke cloaking a capital ship and generating lifelike copies of one > Jadus claiming that he held a ship together against some sort of incendiary (note that he could've just put the explosion out).

TBH the dovin basal feat makes Vitiate look like a helpless child.

TBH Luke clearly > Sidious, and Sidious canonically > Vitiate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I never said the Dread Masters were nothing next to Vitiate.

No, that was my argument. Specifically that's been stated.

If Luke can TK dovin basals, he can crush the dread masters with a gesture, lawl.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
TBH Luke cloaking a capital ship and generating lifelike copies of one > Jadus claiming that he held a ship together against some sort of incendiary (note that he could've just put the explosion out).

Considering he was faking his death? No. No he could not.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, that was my argument. Specifically that's been stated.
By a character in the game who is basing Vitiate's power primarily off word-of-mouth, lmfao.

How would the Wrath have no idea of Vitiate's power?

Jadus is second only to the Emperor. excellent

Authorial intent, Ant.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
TBH Luke cloaking a capital ship and generating lifelike copies of one > Jadus claiming that he held a ship together against some sort of incendiary (note that he could've just put the explosion out).

TBH the dovin basal feat makes Vitiate look like a helpless child.

TBH Luke clearly > Sidious, and Sidious canonically > Vitiate.

TBH a brain damaged, untrained force sensitive in TOR could cloak whole fleets. TBH Aleema Keto could create copies of things much larger than capital ships. TBH comparing a barrier/TK/whatever feat to illusions and cloakiing feats is moronic. TBH you can't put an explosion out, dipshit. TBH people thought Jadus was dead because there was an explosion.

Still on that, lol. TBH Magic "black holes" shat out of a giant jelly beans ass don't amount to much.

TBH ABC logic fail and cowardly reliance on "most powerful" quotes fail.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Authorial intent, Ant.

Vitiate is far above the Dread Masters.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Authorial intent, Ant.
The same authorial intent that puts Vitiate beyond Palpatine?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Jadus is nothing to Vitiate. Source?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
By a character in the game who is basing Vitiate's power primarily off word-of-mouth, lmfao.

Lol, well thanks for nerfing Vitiate for me.

Nope.

@Beni: You doubt it?

Assuming Neph is being remotely literal? Yes.

I'm being hyperbolic to indicate that Vitiate is far more powerful than him, yes.

If by "far more powerful" you mean the gap between, say Caedus and Plagueis. Then yes.

Wut?

I love the vastly disparate opinions people have on Vitiate, so much fun.

So you think Jadus can legit stand up to Vitiate/Valkorion for a protracted period of time?

Vitiate =/= Valkorion (as of KotFE) as far as power goes in my books.

So in terms of pre-Ziost Vitiate, yes, I imagine Jadus would make him work for a victory, though he'd be beaten decisively every time.

Pre Ziost Vitiate was on the brink of death, so I agree.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1nLCRW0Cf1xm0/giphy.gif

an thread incoming.

If Revan and the Dread Masters are anywhere near Luke's level, why don't I see them immediately producing gigaton-level attacks every time they're faced with enemies? Luke can do this pre-NJO, but doesn't because he's a Jedi. What excuse do the Dread Masters have, lmao?

Actually, I think someone calculated the power of Revan's meteor feat and it was easily gigaton-level iirc.

Yeah. And that Revan was weaksauce compared to SOR.

DM's, Arcann, Vaylin, prime Satele, prime Marr, FE Malgus, Jadus, Nox, Wrath II, and all the Exarch's.

Show me the calcs, Neph.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VTj2J9u4o_oJ:www.narutoforums.com/blog.php%3Fbt%3D177584+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

62.23 teratons.

Link is broken.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=revan+asteroid+feat+revised

Open up the Cached file.

There are so many things wrong with this it's kind of funny.

Link still broken for me

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Remove the spaces.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Still on that, lol. TBH Magic "black holes" shat out of a giant jelly beans ass don't amount to much.


Well you never did get back to that dovan basal analysis thread, despite pestering me to to give my last response. But they're called black holes multiple times, so you claiming that they aren't really black holes < canon.

Luke three+ decades before his prime can do everything the dread masters can do and more with ease.



> tries to scale Vitiate from Aleema and random Force users
> mocks ABC logic in the same post

kek

The moment Luke arrives within the TOR timeline both the Sith and the Jedi will all journey to whatever planet he's on to bend the knee.

I like you.