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Arcann, Darth Malgus, Hero of Tython

Vs .

Sora Bulq, Agen Kolar, ROTS Obi Wan

*How do factors like durability come into play?

*What duelist gets taken of the fastest?

*What fighter best integrates H2H into the match?

* What fighter has the best force augmentation on their team?

Arcann/Malgus are certainly the most durable players on the field tbh.

Sora and Agen get taken out the fastest.

I want to say either Arcann or Kenobi.

Arcann.

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PT swordsman because the TOR swordsman will be baffled by their modern technique.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
PT swordsman because the TOR swordsman will be baffled by their modern technique.

Team TOR stomps.

Malgus' technique was described as flawless and perfect, and the HoT bested him solo, ergo he is beyond perfect.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
PT swordsman because the TOR swordsman will be baffled by their modern technique.
Lightsaber combat is more then a matter of techniques.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Arcann/Malgus are certainly the most durable players on the field tbh.

Sora and Agen get taken out the fastest.

I want to say either Arcann or Kenobi.

Arcann.

Originally posted by Trocity
Team TOR stomps.

Malgus' technique was described as flawless and perfect, and the HoT bested him solo, ergo he is beyond perfect. That's all well in good in the context of TOR era... but, unfortunately, they're up against duelists who use saber techniques that are thousands of years more advanced. So, PT stomps.

HoT > Arcann apparantly.

@KingJoker: Trolling or nah?

Well, people are seriously arguing it in the Kas'im thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@KingJoker: Trolling or nah? I've been enlightened here; hopefully you can also see the light.

Yeah, no way that argument holds up.

Nah, obviously they improved significantly on a 25,000 year old martial art in a thousand years of peace, bro. Obviously.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I've been enlightened here; hopefully you can also see the light. https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abvmqbp2CO3VGI8/giphy.gifOriginally posted by Nephthys
Nah, obviously they improved significantly on a 25,000 year old martial art in a thousand years of peace, bro. Obviously.

Gawd both sides don't even understand the whole lightsaber advancement argument.

Ok so Exar Kun vs. Coleman Trebor and his uber advanced lightsaber techniques, duel only. Go.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Ok so Exar Kun vs. Coleman Trebor and his uber advanced lightsaber techniques, duel only. Go.

That's a gross simplification of a legitimate argument.

It's really not a legitimate argument tbh.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Ok so Exar Kun vs. Coleman Trebor and his uber advanced lightsaber techniques, duel only. Go.

I'm with Aurbere on this one.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Ok so Exar Kun vs. Coleman Trebor and his uber advanced lightsaber techniques, duel only. Go.
The irony being Neph tried to say Jedi didn't practice dueling in the thousand or so year between PoD and TPM, and that obviously Kas'im was the greatest Sith ever with a lightsaber because he made up some techniques. The point is that logic doesn't hold up because being the one that made up a bunch of random and unaccounted for techniques doesn't make you better than someone else who can also use them. It's like saying you can't do math because you didn't come up with the Pythagorean Theorem.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Ok so Exar Kun vs. Coleman Trebor and his uber advanced lightsaber techniques, duel only. Go.

Trebor wins.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/910/643/e58.jpg

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The irony being Neph tried to say Jedi didn't practice dueling in the thousand or so year between PoD and TPM, and that obviously Kas'im was the greatest Sith ever with a lightsaber because he made up some techniques. The point is that logic doesn't hold up because being the one that made up a bunch of random and unaccounted for techniques doesn't make you better than someone else who can also use them. It's like saying you can't do math because you didn't come up with the Pythagorean Theorem.

It's ironic, but do you agree that this 'newer moar advanced techniques' logic is flawed?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
That's a gross simplification of a legitimate argument.

It could have been legitimate, but it's been ruined by the logical fallacies the argument's detractors employ.

In what ways do you think it could've been legitimate?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
In what ways do you think it could've been legitimate?

For one, suggesting Trebor > Kun because PT is absurd and baseless and is nothing more than a bastardization of the material. Secondly, the thread featuring Nahdar and Sha'gi is a classic case of reductio ad absurdum. Essentially the implication is that being born in the PT era makes one inherit the progression of lightsaber combat so anyone in the PT stomps anyone outside of it.

The actual argument is about a knowledge base. Progression and development of lightsaber combat allows future generations to have a larger pool of knowledge to draw on, thus a higher plane of mastery. It in no way suggests that every PT duelist ever is some awesome lightsaber duelist.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
It's ironic, but do you agree that this 'newer moar advanced techniques' logic is flawed?
I do. But that was not the argument being made to begin with.

Originally posted by Aurbere
It could have been legitimate, but it's been ruined by the logical fallacies the argument's detractors employ.

Peons will use tactics to make a good argument seem false.

Strategy 101.

Originally posted by Aurbere
For one, suggesting Trebor > Kun because PT is absurd and baseless and is nothing more than a bastardization of the material. Secondly, the thread featuring Nahdar and Sha'gi is a classic case of reductio ad absurdum. Essentially the implication is that being born in the PT era makes one inherit the progression of lightsaber combat so anyone in the PT stomps anyone outside of it.

The actual argument is about a knowledge base. Progression and development of lightsaber combat allows future generations to have a larger pool of knowledge to draw on, thus a higher plane of mastery. It in no way suggests that every PT duelist ever is some awesome lightsaber duelist.

Originally posted by Aurbere
reductio ad absurdum avada kedavra

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Peons will use tactics to make a good argument seem false.

Strategy 101.





True. But it's not just that. Simple debating has become an effort to render good arguments false. This is a clear attempt at mockery and simply an underhanded tactic.

Still, strategy 101.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
avada kedavra

Is this the part where our streams cross? Because that's gross.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
avada kedavra

Originally posted by Aurbere
For one, suggesting Trebor > Kun because PT is absurd and baseless and is nothing more than a bastardization of the material. Secondly, the thread featuring Nahdar and Sha'gi is a classic case of reductio ad absurdum. Essentially the implication is that being born in the PT era makes one inherit the progression of lightsaber combat so anyone in the PT stomps anyone outside of it.

The actual argument is about a knowledge base. Progression and development of lightsaber combat allows future generations to have a larger pool of knowledge to draw on, thus a higher plane of mastery. It in no way suggests that every PT duelist ever is some awesome lightsaber duelist.

And how exactly are we supposed to implement this progression and development of lightsaber combat into SW debates?

We have Cin Drallig who mastered every single form of lightsaber combat being absolutely tooled by the infinitely more talented and powerful Darth Vader. So, really, how much does the actual dueling techniques Jedi and Sith utilize really matter?

They're nothing compared the actual natural talents, abilities, powers and potential of Force-using individuals. The only case when imo 'advanced saber techniques' could be a relevant factor is when two individuals with a very similar pool of talents or abilities to draw upon face each other and one of them has mastered the art of saber combat to a higher degree than the other and thus has a clear and decisive advantage over the opponent.

Other than that, I do not believe it can be as relevant in a duel as some might think.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
And how exactly are we supposed to implement this progression and development of lightsaber combat into SW debates?

We have Cin Drallig who mastered every single form of lightsaber combat being absolutely tooled by the infinitely more talented and powerful Darth Vader. So, really, how much does the actual dueling techniques Jedi and Sith utilize really matter?

They're nothing compared the actual natural talents, abilities, powers and potential of Force-using individuals. The only case when imo 'advanced saber techniques' could be a relevant factor is when two individuals with a very similar pool of talents or abilities to draw upon face each other and one of them has mastered the art of saber combat to a higher degree than the other and thus has a clear and decisive advantage over the opponent.

Other than that, I do not believe it can be as relevant in a duel as some might think.

Bearing that in mind, apply that logic to Plo vs Kas'im.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
And how exactly are we supposed to implement this progression and development of lightsaber combat into SW debates?

We have Cin Drallig who mastered every single form of lightsaber combat being absolutely tooled by the infinitely more talented and powerful Darth Vader. So, really, how much does the actual dueling techniques Jedi and Sith utilize really matter?

They're nothing compared the actual natural talents, abilities, powers and potential of Force-using individuals. The only case when imo 'advanced saber techniques' could be a relevant factor is when two individuals with a very similar pool of talents or abilities to draw upon face each other and one of them has mastered the art of saber combat to a higher degree than the other and thus has a clear and decisive advantage over the opponent.

Other than that, I do not believe it can be as relevant in a duel as some might think.
Which again, was the point, because Neph is the one who made that ridiculous argument to begin with.

I didn't actually.

Yes you did hon.

Fs said what he'd done was common. I pointed out that perfect mastery of all forms is far from it. Then u guys jumped on me and distorted the point.

Sounds like that peon Aurbere was trying to delegitimize a legitimate point

Originally posted by Nephthys
You typically need to train to master a form.

Kas'im seems to have basically redesigned the forms using his own moves and sequences. He did this for every form and seeming every style. That's an example of a massive understanding of the forms and a bewildering technical and creative aptitude in them.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plo benefits from 1,000 years of modification and improvement to lightsaber combat. Kas'im can't handle the level of baffling bewilderment that will cause.
Clearly a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Originally posted by Nephthys
A thousand years of stagnation and of the Jedi mostly neglecting to even bother with saber to saber combat with no foes to fight, sure.


Also still waiting for those thousands of techniques.

Sounds more like the death throes of the Kas'im's
el33t skillz argument.

How would he even though, the Jedi of the PT don't even know how to use lightsabers. http://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/3024136639.gif

Knows thousands of sequences/every form and variation=Loses to a guy who had been training for 9 months

Yet he's supposed to beat one of the most powerful Jedi in history in a duel, lmfao.

Nephtard arguments strike again

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sounds more like the death throes of the Kas'im's
el33t skillz argument.

Beni tbh. Read the Jedi Path. Dew it.

I have read it.

You have learned much, young one.

I've become more powerful than any Jedi, even you.

Much to learn, you still have.