Originally posted by The Ellimist
In case if you haven't noticed, I don't exactly dignify your posts with a reply or even a read anymore, but since I'm in a good mood, I'll humor you:
The time in which he's been using the Force might have been a better predictor than nothing had this been all the information we had on his abilities. Since we do have pretty well documented showings, however, his length of training just becomes noise. By that logic, RotS Sidious ought be less powerful than Dooku, who has been "using the Force" much longer than he has, and RotJ Luke shouldn't have lasted a second against Vader - that correlation is obviously imperfect, and isn't relevant independent of what they can actually do.
Here, DE Luke has already taken down AT-AT walkers with telekinesis after absorbing their laser cannons, matched Darth Vader in personal combat, and levitated starships. If you do want to invoke training time, invoke this; Luke after just a month or so of training is already the most powerful Jedi Vader's ever fought, and with a few more months he's already a match for one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time. Now graph that extrapolation out several more years.
The Outlander has...uh...well, he's certainly never matched DE Luke's AT-AT feat, nor has he ever taken on Darth Vader with less than a year of training, so what has he done, exactly? And whomever he's beaten, please point me to their feats that compare with Vader's in The Force Unleashed. If you want to talk comparisons, you don't really have any for the Hero.
Leave it to Beefy to cast textbook circular reasoning fallacies without batting an eye, lmfao.
Regardless, we do know that Vitiate was weakened from the ritual; now, you're welcome to help quantify to what extent he was weakened. Oops, you can't? Too bad, it sounds like this performance is kinda meaningless.
We do know that it doesn't remotely translate into challenging a full power Vitiate, given that the Hero + an entire team couldn't do sh*t against Revan before his light side half lent them a hand.
But what about Luke's defeating of Sidious, with an equally quantifiable Leia amp? Can I use that to make things fair?
I do know that Sidious himself acknowledges that Luke could give him a good fight. The Hero and an entire squad couldn't do the same to Revan.
Sorry, not sorry. Dominating DE Luke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failing to dominate the Outlander.
But let's assume for the sake of argument that you were correct, and the Outlander actually was above Luke. Since Valkorion failed to dominate him, that hardly proves anything. The real question, then, is what is the most powerful being Valkorion/Vitiate has dominated? Pre-KotOR Revan on a dark side nexus? What has Pre-KotOR Revan done, exactly, beside commandeer some fleets against some mandos? Do you have any active argumentation, or are you just going to try desperately to convince people here that you're a competent debater by stringing together random, barely coherent circular circlejerks?
^ the difference here is, I actually debate in addition to making one-liners.