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Thor with the warrior madness and his belt of strength magnifying his strength 20 times, against a raging WBH, will this be enough to stop Hulk? or will this be overkill in Thor's favor making this a spite thread?........let the debate begin.

thor still probably wouldn't be at hulk's strength and in WM he will fight even more stupidly than he normally does (not using exotic powers so much).

Since WBH is probably already superior in strength, and he will only amp further, Hulk should win IMO

Originally posted by Raisen
thor still probably wouldn't be at hulk's strength and in WM he will fight even more stupidly than he normally does (not using exotic powers so much).

Since WBH is probably already superior in strength, and he will only amp further, Hulk should win IMO This

I meant to mention that this battle takes place in the middle of Manhatten.

Originally posted by lawest9
I meant to mention that this battle takes place in the middle of Manhatten. WHY WOULD YOU PUT A WORLDBREAKER IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY

Originally posted by lawest9
I meant to mention that this battle takes place in the middle of Manhatten.

then abhi commits seppuku with rao's junk in the middle of times square. nothing changes

Bump.

True warrior madness Thor would own because he would be himself but just ampped to high heaven with the stops he op has given. must people think warrior madness is from blood and thunder arc which Thor's mind was in shambles. If blood and thunder version hulk wins if

Originally posted by Raisen
then abhi commits seppuku with rao's junk in the middle of times square. nothing changes

Stop being obsessed with my junk

Originally posted by DarkOdin
True warrior madness Thor would own because he would be himself but just ampped to high heaven with the stops he op has given. must people think warrior madness is from blood and thunder arc which Thor's mind was in shambles. If blood and thunder version hulk wins if

Not even on your life. Thor would still lose, and lose fast. WB Hulk was well above 20x Thor.

Hulk eats him

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk eats him

Assuming this is a purely physical contest, I can't imagine Thor getting a single win.

Thor is Thor. Hulk is Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not even on your life. Thor would still lose, and lose fast. WB Hulk was well above 20x Thor. doubt it 20x times strength thor is on level that is insane. to say 20x Thor would lose is just plain stupid, we never fully found the end range on either character plus the fact this is not strictly hand to hand.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
doubt it 20x times strength thor is on level that is insane. to say 20x Thor would lose is just plain stupid, we never fully found the end range on either character plus the fact this is not strictly hand to hand.


WM Thor (AKA mentally challenged) isn't going to do much more than cast a lightning blast, and go hammer time. Base level Thor is only a little bit above Herc physically. Go check out how many Herc's a calm WB Hulk rated as and then tell me how dumb it is again.

Originally posted by Stoic
WM Thor (AKA mentally challenged) isn't going to do much more than cast a lightning blast, and go hammer time. Base level Thor is only a little bit above Herc physically. Go check out how many Herc's a calm WB Hulk rated as and then tell me how dumb it is again. I stated in my first post Thor loses if he is blood and thunder version so why are u even debating me???

Originally posted by DarkOdin
I stated in my first post Thor loses if he is blood and thunder version so why are u even debating me???

Because you said to think Thor at this level would lose was just plain stupid. Right? B and T is the only time we saw Thor in a close to WM state right? We have never seen a true WM Thor, so by proxy he loses based on zero showings. Right?

WB hulk stomps

Originally posted by Stoic
Because you said to think Thor at this level would lose was just plain stupid. Right? B and T is the only time we saw Thor in a close to WM state right? We have never seen a true WM Thor, so by proxy he loses based on zero showings. Right? is 10 times strength

Amp that by 2 "belt of strengthd" we have Thor 20 times his strength

We all know Thor strengths in his normal power level and at 20xs that I don't see any strength thor couldn't replicate of world breaker.


Are u insane enough to say worldbreaker hulk is 20x Thor's base level

With a little common sense most people would say no .

This is not different then any other thread with never happened on panel stips

Originally posted by lawest9
Thor with the warrior madness and his belt of strength magnifying his strength 20 times, against a raging WBH, will this be enough to stop Hulk? or will this be overkill in Thor's favor making this a spite thread?........let the debate begin. Spite! WBH touches Thor with pinky and Thor dies.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Originally posted by Stoic
Because you said to think Thor at this level would lose was just plain stupid. Right? B and T is the only time we saw Thor in a close to WM state right? We have never seen a true WM Thor, so by proxy he loses based on zero showings. Right? is 10 times strength

Amp that by 2 "belt of strengthd" we have Thor 20 times his strength

We all know Thor strengths in his normal power level and at 20xs that I don't see any strength thor couldn't replicate of world breaker.


Are u insane enough to say worldbreaker hulk is 20x Thor's base level

With a little common sense most people would say no .

This is not different then any other thread with never happened on panel stips

WBH is more than billions of times stronger than base Thor.

Base Thor isn't strong enough to shatter a planet with his bare fists.
WBH can generate a force more than a billion times that of shattering a planet with a single punch. So if Thor can barely shatter a planet with a single punch then WBH is still more than a billion times stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
WBH is more than billions of times stronger than base Thor.

Base Thor isn't strong enough to shatter a planet with his bare fists.
WBH can generate a force more than a billion times that of shattering a planet with a single punch. So if Thor can barely shatter a planet with a single punch then WBH is still more than a billion times stronger. a billion well how silly of me to think Thor could stand against such. A foe.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
a billion well how silly of me to think Thor could stand against such. A foe.

Didn't you know than a calm hulk lung tissue is 113 times stronger than Thor?

Even the Hulk's lung alone will win in this scenario.

Thor doesn't even stand a chance against a calm hulk lung not even with a 20x amp...

According to some

Come to think of it, should make a thread of Hulk's lung vs heralds and trans to see if anyone can break hulk's lung tissue

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Originally posted by Stoic
Because you said to think Thor at this level would lose was just plain stupid. Right? B and T is the only time we saw Thor in a close to WM state right? We have never seen a true WM Thor, so by proxy he loses based on zero showings. Right? is 10 times strength

Amp that by 2 "belt of strengthd" we have Thor 20 times his strength

We all know Thor strengths in his normal power level and at 20xs that I don't see any strength thor couldn't replicate of world breaker.


Are u insane enough to say worldbreaker hulk is 20x Thor's base level

With a little common sense most people would say no .

This is not different then any other thread with never happened on panel stips


Well now actually, I would go as far as to make a claim that WB Hulk unleashed, and not in a calm state would be far more than a mere 20x stronger than WM Thor. I understand that you really like Thor, which is why I'll ignore your comment about my post being any worse than yours. However, you're wrong on every level. WB Hulk is simply too much for Thor, and not at all in the same league with him on any stretch of the imagination. Also, WM Thor has never been seen, thus he loses by proxy because he has no feats. You can surely understand this. Right?

Originally posted by Stoic
Well now actually, I would go as far as to make a claim that WB Hulk unleashed, and not in a calm state would be far more than a mere 20x stronger than WM Thor. I understand that you really like Thor, which is why I'll ignore your comment about my post being any worse than yours. However, you're wrong on every level. WB Hulk is simply too much for Thor, and not at all in the same league with him on any stretch of the imagination. Also, WM Thor has never been seen, thus he loses by proxy because he has no feats. You can surely understand this. Right? just because a character has not been seen we don't have count it a lose by proxy, otherwise 90% of the threads on this site would be just like u claim,

2nd your post is horrible b/c there is no such thing as a calm world breaker,

Again I asked the op if this is true warrior maddness or blood and thunder version, which makes a huge difference

Worldbreaker is.a 1 dimensional brick in a forum fight such as this true warrior maddness Thor would have the strength to fight worldbreaker and most off all a bunch of tools to take world breaker out without going h2h

Standard Thor has caused planets to shatter as a result of pure h2h as scene with the God butcher arc. Again the few feats worldbreaker has done should well be in the scope of Thor times 20

Your post that world breaker is billions time stronger just goes to prove how poor your train of thought is.

Worldbreaker durability has been shown to on the low end as he was taken out by a stark tech. Regular Thor have could easily surpass the damage stark tech did to worldbreaker let alone Thor with 20xthe strength,

We count it as a loss because we do not know anything about the character. We don't know how they would operate, how they would fight or what weaknesses/strengths they have. We go by feats last I read, and not by what we imagine. WB Hulk was proven to be astronomically more powerful than Hercules based on canon. We have never once seen WM Thor, but we did however see something close. Not even sure why you're still arguing for a character that doesn't exist?

WB Hulk was in a relatively calm state when he faced the entity known as Hope who happened to be able to hit with 113 plus times more force than Hercules can with his best punch. The Hulk was able to take that force to his intestines without dying, and yes he was in a relatively calm state when this all happened. Go check it out for yourself.

You call my post horrible without realizing that yours is ridiculously horrible. You're playing let's pretend. A riled up Thor wouldn't use his powers to their fullest, which was seen in B&T, so again you're making up things to further your weak agenda. Again we have never seen a true WM Thor. Not once. BT would lose period. You could give him a double boost and he would still lose. He fought like a brick because his mind was so far gone that he was simply a berserker with a nearly indestructible mallet. Anything else is what you imagine a true WM Thor would be. You basically want to give a quick thinking Thor a 20x amp and say that he wins via BFR.

I think that you've mistaken me for H1.

Stop playing let's make believe here. By proxy WM Thor loses. No feats, no wins, especially not against a beast like WB Hulk.

Also WB Hulk is Pak's creation, and not writer X. WB Hulk was nullified once Doom performed surgery on Banner's brain. Whatever durability tests you added after the fact does not apply to WB Hulk. Keep digging for low end feats that you won't find though.

The number and crap thrown around in this thread are just comedy gold.

The notion that WBH stomps a TRUE warrior Madness and belt of strength amped Thor is pure trolling.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
The number and crap thrown around in this thread are just comedy gold.

The notion that WBH stomps a TRUE warrior Madness and belt of strength amped Thor is pure trolling.


There is no such thing as a WM Thor in the entire existence of the character. Based on numbers this particular Thor would be Hercules with a 20x boost, and that number does not stand up to even close to what a calm WB Hulk took to his intestines. How again is it trolling when the numbers were written in a comic?

Originally posted by Stoic
There is no such thing as a WM Thor in the entire existence of the character. Based on numbers this particular Thor would be Hercules with a 20x boost, and that number does not stand up to even close to what a calm WB Hulk took to his intestines. How again is it trolling when the numbers were written in a comic? we are to assume what this Thir would be like obviously.

Sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously as you think WBH collateral damage feats as the best thing ever.

H1 claims WBH would be a billion times stronger.

Can someone tell me how much power it takes to resist Tony's tech?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
we are to assume what this Thir would be like obviously.

Sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously as you think WBH collateral damage feats as the best thing ever.

H1 claims WBH would be a billion times stronger.

We would assume? You can't take anything that I say seriously? Are we going to go back down this road brother? Warrior Madness Thor does not exist. If Thor was 20x stronger than his base form he would still be far weaker than WB Hulk, and this is based on what was written in a comic, and not something that I've made up, like let's pretend we know how Warrior Madness Thor would operate, when the closest thing to it was what we saw during B&T.

Collateral damage does not even have to come into play in order for us to see that Thor with even this boost would still be far below an unleashed WB Hulk's power level. How could anyone even entertain an unknown variable such as this coming out on top of a character with actual feats? This is what I saying, and anyone with a measure of logic should be easily able to see it. Not an insult, if you want to take it as such, but it is what it is. Again Thor was measured throughout his history as being a slight bit stronger than Hercules at base, and Hercules at over 113 times greater than base was still not as strong as WB Hulk, and that wasn't even a raging WB Hulk. The measurement was made in a canon comic, and not some made up number that I'm putting up there. If you don't like it, Pak is the guy that you should be angry with not me. I didn't write it, but I'll certainly make sure that people know all about it. Truth is truth. Right?

Fing was 17 times more powerful than Hercules and got treated like a pest from WWH with a casual thunderclap.

Originally posted by carver9
Fing was 17 times more powerful than Hercules and got treated like a pest from WWH with a casual thunderclap.


I know, and that was in a canon comic, by the writers that make these things up. Opinion is one thing, but opinion doesn't always stand up to what was actually written.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
just because a character has not been seen we don't have count it a lose by proxy, otherwise 90% of the threads on this site would be just like u claim,

2nd your post is horrible b/c there is no such thing as a calm world breaker,

Again I asked the op if this is true warrior maddness or blood and thunder version, which makes a huge difference

Worldbreaker is.a 1 dimensional brick in a forum fight such as this true warrior maddness Thor would have the strength to fight worldbreaker and most off all a bunch of tools to take world breaker out without going h2h

Standard Thor has caused planets to shatter as a result of pure h2h as scene with the God butcher arc. Again the few feats worldbreaker has done should well be in the scope of Thor times 20

Your post that world breaker is billions time stronger just goes to prove how poor your train of thought is.

Worldbreaker durability has been shown to on the low end as he was taken out by a stark tech. Regular Thor have could easily surpass the damage stark tech did to worldbreaker let alone Thor with 20xthe strength,

1. In God butcher Thor used Mjolnir, not his bare fists. Mjolnir amps Thor's strikes several times. So Thor needs 3 times more strength to do it with bare fists.
2. Thor hit Gorr a zillion times (not one time). Let's use an underestimate and say 20 times. So Thor needs to be 20 times stronger to achieve the feat in one blow.
3. No planet was every shattered. Just a very small portion of a planet and moon were damaged. So Thor would have to be more than 100,000 times stronger to COMPLETELY shatter the planet into pieces.
4. This is Thor's greatest feat. He achieved this only because he was under great duress (fighting for his life while being stabbed). In normal circumstances, he would be operating far below.

So for forum Thor to shatter a planet COMPLETELY with his bare fists without touching the planet then he needs to be more than 3x20x100,000 or 6 million times stronger than Gorr Thor (Thor at his highest).
Using Gorr Thor as a representative of forum Thor but amped 20x more then WBH is still more than a 100,000 times stronger.

Originally posted by Stoic
We would assume? You can't take anything that I say seriously? Are we going to go back down this road brother? Warrior Madness Thor does not exist. If Thor was 20x stronger than his base form he would still be far weaker than WB Hulk, and this is based on what was written in a comic, and not something that I've made up, like let's pretend we know how Warrior Madness Thor would operate, when the closest thing to it was what we saw during B&T.

Collateral damage does not even have to come into play in order for us to see that Thor with even this boost would still be far below an unleashed WB Hulk's power level. How could anyone even entertain an unknown variable such as this coming out on top of a character with actual feats? This is what I saying, and anyone with a measure of logic should be easily able to see it. Not an insult, if you want to take it as such, but it is what it is. Again Thor was measured throughout his history as being a slight bit stronger than Hercules at base, and Hercules at over 113 times greater than base was still not as strong as WB Hulk, and that wasn't even a raging WB Hulk. The measurement was made in a canon comic, and not some made up number that I'm putting up there. If you don't like it, Pak is the guy that you should be angry with not me. I didn't write it, but I'll certainly make sure that people know all about it. Truth is truth. Right? brother! Lol. B&T was nothing like what 20X amp Thor would be like. A regular Thor has lifted the Midgard serpent , so it's not hard to imagine what he could do using his hammer.

Haha all Paks numbers are made up rubbish. He had Hercules beat Zoms power easier than WWH did.

113 Hercs = 1 calm Hulk lung tissue.

Lung tissue is one of the most fragiles tissues in the human body.

So a raging Hulk lung tissue will be around 11300 hercs.

Meaning his outher skin should be about 113,000 hercs when in calm state and about 1,130,000 when enraged.

So 1 enraged Hulk alone could potentially beat 1,130,000 Hercules or Thors.

If Thor is amped by 20 it will take 56,500 thors to beat wbh outher skin

PAK/CARVER FACT

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
113 Hercs = 1 calm Hulk lung tissue.

Lung tissue is one of the most fragiles tissues in the human body.

So a raging Hulk lung tissue will be around 11300 hercs.

Meaning his outher skin should be about 113,000 hercs when in calm state and about 1,130,000 when enraged.

So 1 enraged Hulk alone could potentially beat 1,130,000 Hercules or Thors.

If Thor is amped by 20 it will take 56,500 thors to beat wbh outher skin

PAK/CARVER FACT



You're right on point.

Originally posted by h1a8
WBH touches Thor with pinky and Thor dies.

Hmm, "pinky" is a really odd thing for Hulk to name his penis.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. In God butcher Thor used Mjolnir, not his bare fists. Mjolnir amps Thor's strikes several times. So Thor needs 3 times more strength to do it with bare fists.
2. Thor hit Gorr a zillion times (not one time). Let's use an underestimate and say 20 times. So Thor needs to be 20 times stronger to achieve the feat in one blow.
3. No planet was every shattered. Just a very small portion of a planet and moon were damaged. So Thor would have to be more than 100,000 times stronger to COMPLETELY shatter the planet into pieces.
4. This is Thor's greatest feat. He achieved this only because he was under great duress (fighting for his life while being stabbed). In normal circumstances, he would be operating far below.

Gazillion times...
crylaugh0

No planet shattered...
crylaugh0

This thread lol.

The nonsense here.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
brother! Lol. B&T was nothing like what 20X amp Thor would be like. A regular Thor has lifted the Midgard serpent , so it's not hard to imagine what he could do using his hammer.

Haha all Paks numbers are made up rubbish. He had Hercules beat Zoms power easier than WWH did.


Man it was what was written. I'm just going by what was written in a canonized comic book. All of these characters from Superman to Thanos, are all made up, and spit out of some guy, or girls imagination. To ignore it, and then go on to place a character that has never been seen above it would be rubbish. 20x Hercules is not even remotely in WB Hulk's range so let's say that Thor would be x22 to Herc's x20, it would still be far below the marker. When Thor was turned into chunks while Thanos was only bloodied, did anyone say that it was rubbish? No, because it was on panel. WM Thor has never been on panel. Like it or not he loses here.

Originally posted by Stoic
Man it was what was written. I'm just going by what was written in a canonized comic book. All of these characters from Superman to Thanos, are all made up, and spit out of some guy, or girls imagination. To ignore it, and then go on to place a character that has never been seen above it would be rubbish. 20x Hercules is not even remotely in WB Hulk's range so let's say that Thor would be x22 to Herc's x20, it would still be far below the marker. When Thor was turned into chunks while Thanos was only bloodied, did anyone say that it was rubbish? No, because it was on panel. WM Thor has never been on panel. Like it or not he loses here. WTF are you even talking about now.

I'm talking about WM Thor loses here.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
WTF are you even talking about now. I'm talking about the Thanos/Thor bit.

TBH I never said who wins/loses but the whole WBH stomps/strength comparison like this Thor would be a flea is pure fanboy nonsense at best.

Originally posted by Stoic
Man it was what was written. I'm just going by what was written in a canonized comic book. All of these characters from Superman to Thanos, are all made up, and spit out of some guy, or girls imagination. To ignore it, and then go on to place a character that has never been seen above it would be rubbish. 20x Hercules is not even remotely in WB Hulk's range so let's say that Thor would be x22 to Herc's x20, it would still be far below the marker. When Thor was turned into chunks while Thanos was only bloodied, did anyone say that it was rubbish? No, because it was on panel. WM Thor has never been on panel. Like it or not he loses here. Nah, one is a straight up on-panel showing and the other is just a statement.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I'm talking about the Thanos/Thor bit.

TBH I never said who wins/loses but the whole WBH stomps/strength comparison like this Thor would be a flea is pure fanboy nonsense at best.

You mean it didn't happen? I'm talking about when Thor stood with Thanos to the last man just recently, and we see Thor's arm blown off after a blast while Thanos stood there only bleeding (Ref: Annihilation Wave incident). If that was canon, it shows that Thanos had to be several times more durable than Thor. I never said anything about WB Hulk being a billion times stronger than a base level Thor, that was H1. What I was trying to show was that when the Hulk was in the Dark Dimension, he was far more powerful and more durable than what he was when Hope did not kill him from that internal injury that he took from the entity. It was measured by a fictional scientific device that stated that Hope hit him with over 113 Herc's of force. That's far from an opinionated character statement made in lieu of the feat itself. Is it usable? Absolutely. Was it hyperbole? Not at all.

It was also stated that his durability ramped up with his strength, so this is another thing that was actually stated in a comic. You're not going to see me claim numbers or scenes that are outside of the actual books. Whether Pak was full of it doesn't matter, because it was written. As crazy as the feats in those books were, there are still some that are far more outlandish, yet they are used without scrutiny.

Thor

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Nah, one is a straight up on-panel showing and the other is just a statement.

I don't want to take your statement out of context, but can you explain what exactly are you saying here?

Out of curiosity

To the hulk fans

How many times will thor need to be amped to be a challenge to WBH?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Gazillion times...
crylaugh0

No planet shattered...
crylaugh0

A zillion times is slang for an unknown many times.
You missed the all caps in COMPLETELY shattered.
Show me a planet that was completely shattered. Because what was shown was a small portion of a planet being damaged.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Out of curiosity

To the hulk fans

How many times will thor need to be amped to be a challenge to WBH?

I wouldn't be able to tell you, based on Hulk having no known upper limit which was a fact repeatedly beaten into the readers mind of that era of Hulk. At his strongest he was stepping on a Fin Fang Foom (worth 17 Hercs) like he was a mouse. WB Hulk had to be deep sixed, because he was able to ramp up instantly, which was shown when he was on Sakaar and taught to meditate in order to release his potential.

Originally posted by Stoic
You mean it didn't happen? I'm talking about when Thor stood with Thanos to the last man just recently, and we see Thor's arm blown off after a blast while Thanos stood there only bleeding (Ref: Annihilation Wave incident). If that was canon, it shows that Thanos had to be several times more durable than Thor. I never said anything about WB Hulk being a billion times stronger than a base level Thor, that was H1. What I was trying to show was that when the Hulk was in the Dark Dimension, he was far more powerful and more durable than what he was when Hope did not kill him from that internal injury that he took from the entity. It was measured by a fictional scientific device that stated that Hope hit him with over 113 Herc's of force. That's far from an opinionated character statement made in lieu of the feat itself. Is it usable? Absolutely. Was it hyperbole? Not at all.

It was also stated that his durability ramped up with his strength, so this is another thing that was actually stated in a comic. You're not going to see me claim numbers or scenes that are outside of the actual books. Whether Pak was full of it doesn't matter, because it was written. As crazy as the feats in those books were, there are still some that are far more outlandish, yet they are used without scrutiny. I don't see your point as Thanos has always been far more durable than Thor.

All the X times stronger/ powerful means nothing at all to me as a writer would have to know every feat a character has to make such a comparison.

Hercules held the heavens up, and your trying to say WBH is 117 times stronger. Sorry but however you spin this its bullshit.

Originally posted by Stoic
I wouldn't be able to tell you, based on Hulk having no known upper limit which was a fact repeatedly beaten into the readers mind of that era of Hulk. At his strongest he was stepping on a Fin Fang Foom (worth 17 Hercs) like he was a mouse. WB Hulk had to be deep sixed, because he was able to ramp up instantly, which was shown when he was on Sakaar and taught to meditate in order to release his potential.

50 times?
100? 500? 1000?

A ballpark estimate

Originally posted by Stoic
Because you said to think Thor at this level would lose was just plain stupid. Right? B and T is the only time we saw Thor in a close to WM state right? We have never seen a true WM Thor, so by proxy he loses based on zero showings. Right? no but you are too closed minded to see it any other way unless the op states what version then I stand by what I say. . If anything blood and thunder states that Thor never was in warrior maddness, but just his mind scramble from Odin.


So by your standards since Thor never had Batman's h2h skills does he losetito Superman??

Bottom line warrior maddness is what we are using plus the belt

I can't see any high herald lose to worldbreaker when there strength is ampped by 20

I'm thinking a regular Thor will do better in this scenario. He needs to keep his distance and try some exotic shit.

WM will brawl for sure and that's not going to work out to good for him.

Originally posted by Stoic
I wouldn't be able to tell you, based on Hulk having no known upper limit which was a fact repeatedly beaten into the readers mind of that era of Hulk. At his strongest he was stepping on a Fin Fang Foom (worth 17 Hercs) like he was a mouse. WB Hulk had to be deep sixed, because he was able to ramp up instantly, which was shown when he was on Sakaar and taught to meditate in order to release his potential.

Stoic, I can't believe you've gotten caught up in this numbers shit. Supposed I say a one character is so strong, he lifted the the heavens (world tree) and now I'm going to increase that characters strength by 20. His strength would then be quantifiable. Who is to saw who's stronger?

WBH wins, easily.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
50 times?
100? 500? 1000?

A ballpark estimate

It would be far easier to answer if the Hulk's main power set didn't allow him to amplify his strength. What else can I say other than I have no idea?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
no but you are too closed minded to see it any other way unless the op states what version then I stand by what I say. . If anything blood and thunder states that Thor never was in warrior maddness, but just his mind scramble from Odin.


So by your standards since Thor never had Batman's h2h skills does he losetito Superman??

Bottom line warrior maddness is what we are using plus the belt

I can't see any high herald lose to worldbreaker when there strength is ampped by 20

How am I closed minded? You seem to be projecting your failings onto me here. I said that throughout Thor's entire history, he has been compared to Hercules in strength. Now, what did the comic state about the gap in power between WB Hulk, and Hercules? This is, or should be extremely simple stuff, unless you were heavily in favor of one character over the other. If it stated that Thor got an amp, and it increased his strength, durability and other stats beyond 113 times greater than Hercules, I'm pretty certain that you wouldn't say that Thor was only 20 times greater in strength. Like WTF c'mon dude.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Stoic, I can't believe you've gotten caught up in this numbers shit. Supposed I say a one character is so strong, he lifted the the heavens (world tree) and now I'm going to increase that characters strength by 20. His strength would then be quantifiable. Who is to saw who's stronger?

I'm not going to interpret what the book said, when it spelled it out clearly a couple of times about how much heat the Hulk was bringing. He was more than 20 times stronger than Thor. How is this mess so difficult for people to understand? WB Hulk was not a bush league herald level character. Go speak to Pak, I'm just going off of what was written, and despite people trying to say that it was hyperbole there was a clear difference between hype and what was written up in HOTM.

WBH no problem

@ stoic

Lets say you want to amp thor to a sure power level to beat wbh, what type of amp will that be?

Well, Savage Hulk level foes (Fin Fang, BiBeast etc) were amped 1000x times, and were melted just by standing near the punch.

Im not too good with Pak mathics.

Help me out

Hey, at the end of the day, we can only go by what was written and shown.

You wouldn't want any engineers on the forum to question how Superman can bench the mass of the Earth....without the ground beneath him crumbling to dust, right? I mean, THOSE maths looks wonkier than h1.

Or Superman lifting infinite pages with Billy...what's 50% of infinity?

How does Wraith manage to output 1.21 jigawatts of electricity (or whatever his units were) etc etc?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey, at the end of the day, we can only go by what was written and shown.

You wouldn't want any engineers on the forum to question how Superman can bench the mass of the Earth....without the ground beneath him crumbling to dust, right? I mean, THOSE maths looks wonkier than h1.

Or Superman lifting infinite pages with Billy...what's 50% of infinity?

How does Wraith manage to output 1.21 jigawatts of electricity (or whatever his units were) etc etc?

Sometimes what is written is embellished and cannot be taken at face value

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey, at the end of the day, we can only go by what was written and shown.

You wouldn't want any engineers on the forum to question how Superman can bench the mass of the Earth....without the ground beneath him crumbling to dust, right? I mean, THOSE maths looks wonkier than h1.

Or Superman lifting infinite pages with Billy...what's 50% of infinity?

How does Wraith manage to output 1.21 jigawatts of electricity (or whatever his units were) etc etc?

Originally posted by quanchi112


Lol...he makes a good point. The person be commented on (Rao) agreed with a post from ABHI on Superman punches breaking reality. He's all over the place.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Sometimes what is written is embellished and cannot be taken at face value

And how do you determine when it is though? Seems arbitrary.

Pak wrote a beast Hercules.

And he wrote that same Hercules to be immensely lesser than Hulk, through the form of his "Hercs" metric.

Even by feats, I have no trouble believing WBH is at the very least many dozens of times stronger than Thor.


Thor's collateral damage against Gorr for example was complete garbage compared to Hulk and Betty's destruction of the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Stoic, I can't believe you've gotten caught up in this numbers shit. Supposed I say a one character is so strong, he lifted the the heavens (world tree) and now I'm going to increase that characters strength by 20. His strength would then be quantifiable. Who is to saw who's stronger? You can only use quantifiable feats. Lifting the heavens is unquantifiable, same as world tree. It could have taken only a million tons for all we know.

Think of strength capable of shattering a planet into little pieces with a single blow (above any Herald average).
Now Hulk was more than a billion times stronger than that.

WBH still wins

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And how do you determine when it is though? Seems arbitrary.

Pak wrote a beast Hercules.

And he wrote that same Hercules to be immensely lesser than Hulk, through the form of his "Hercs" metric.

Even by feats, I have no trouble believing WBH is at the very least many dozens of times stronger than Thor.


Thor's collateral damage against Gorr for example was complete garbage compared to Hulk and Betty's destruction of the Dark Dimension.

It's been cleared out by DS

1 Herc is a mystical eneegy unit not a strength unit lile it has been tried to be sold around the forum.

That makes sense and I have no problem with it

But at 20 amp this could be a good if it were a smart thor

133 x Herc's max power output, means Thor stands 0 chance of inflicting any damage on WBH.

This is a stomp in favour of WBH.

Bump.

WBH with ease. Plus WMT would just brawl and not fight very smart.

Very annoying.
WBH, wrapped in a situation that has more continuity holes than you can count, in a setting that begs to point out the fantasy aspect of the crap that happens in the story. Contains a crazy mixed up realm of magic, along with a "wish machine", power level statements that seem to have been written by a grammer school kid, and BINGO!! We get Hulk pulling a one-time rabbit out of his arse.

Then, forever, those actions r used to show concrete potential of Hulk's power levels. All because, in this one 'tarded storyline, there were statements made on-panel, to support it.

Meanwhile, the standard perspective on these boards, is to agressively dismiss statements and on-panel feats of power levels, abilities and speed that Thor has shown in the past, that would be sufficient to END WBH in a large variety of ways. And that is WITHOUT WM or the belt.

If we aren't dismissing one-time or few-time statements and feats, for either character, and if one were to b so inclined as to do a few simple searches online, it would b pretty clear that WBH would lose here. In one of a hundred ways.

Just my HUMBLE opinion.

Um... Hello?

Hello?

Is this thing on?!

Where did everybody go?

^ Uhm yeah I get it, you and a bunch of other people did not enjoy the fact that WB Hulk was far above anything that he has been before, and did not need Celestial tech to ramp up to that height. Now since you disliked it so much, you want to deny the power levels that were stated on panel, and ignorantly say that even a base level Thor could take WB Hulk, which is based on nothing more than personal preference.

A fictional means of measuring his power in comparison to Hercules was made. You didn't like it, but fail to acknowledge that all of these characters are nothing more than fiction. The feat stands, and Thor in comparison would be found lacking in comparison to the measurement made in those comics.

Lol at this thread.

Thor is as strong as the story needs him to be.

How strong is Thor here that he was able to overpower countless copies of himself? Wait what did Ego say? Billions of antibodies? Thor must be nearly as strong as at least a billion Thors! Hooray for comics! You guys are silly.
http://i.imgur.com/CojHhZP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8uV7c1R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JzuP7ah.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7DPpUUi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZMyJbpe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8MqXe2Q.jpg

facepalm

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Sometimes what is written is embellished and cannot be taken at face value That comment was about 133.5 Salts

(1 Salt = the total volume of the order of salt Mcdonalds orders for the month for a single location)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
That comment was about 133.5 Salts

(1 Salt = the total volume of the order of salt Mcdonalds orders for the month for a single location)

Is salts = to mystical units?

Salt is mystifying, yes

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol at this thread.

Thor is as strong as the story needs him to be.

How strong is Thor here that he was able to overpower countless copies of himself? Wait what did Ego say? Billions of antibodies? Thor must be nearly as strong as at least a billion Thors! Hooray for comics! You guys are silly.
http://i.imgur.com/CojHhZP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8uV7c1R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JzuP7ah.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7DPpUUi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZMyJbpe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8MqXe2Q.jpg


Exactly the point I was making. Stay far away from that fuzzy comic math.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Salt is mystifying, yes

Cool

That explains a lot

So, we're agreed that WBH annihilates Thor? Even with all his amps.

This was a ridiculous thread.

Originally posted by janus77
So, we're agreed that WBH annihilates Thor? Even with all his amps.

This was a ridiculous thread.

No, we don't. The problem is some of you are dazzled by what you saw of WBH (rightfully so); however, you haven't stopped for a second to imagine what an amped, unleashed Thor would be like.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor is as strong as the story needs him to be.



No. That'd be Superman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


No. That'd be Superman.
Him too.

Thor can't increase his strength. That has been made clear by the same writer and Thor's creator Stan Lee.

Who had Thor getting his shit kicked in by savage hulk.

In his own comic.

Forget about WBH.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Him too.

Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.

When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.

Remember Onslaught saga?

Originally posted by Stoic
^ Uhm yeah I get it, you and a bunch of other people did not enjoy the fact that WB Hulk was far above anything that he has been before, and did not need Celestial tech to ramp up to that height. Now since you disliked it so much, you want to deny the power levels that were stated on panel, and ignorantly say that even a base level Thor could take WB Hulk, which is based on nothing more than personal preference.

A fictional means of measuring his power in comparison to Hercules was made. You didn't like it, but fail to acknowledge that all of these characters are nothing more than fiction. The feat stands, and Thor in comparison would be found lacking in comparison to the measurement made in those comics. you misunderstood the point I was making.

I will explain...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor can't increase his strength. That has been made clear by the same writer and Thor's creator Stan Lee.

Who had Thor getting his shit kicked in by savage hulk.

In his own comic.

Forget about WBH.
Sure he can.

Plus he's always holding back vs mortals(well documented).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.

When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.

Remember Onslaught saga?
facepalm
Lol no. Marvel is not relegated to having one "big gun". That is where you obviously fail to understand Marvel's formula. In DC, Superman more often than not fits that bill. While Marvel on the other hand does things a little differently.

If only Hulk was the "big gun", then things like Warlock claiming Thor(Masterson) was their "highest card" vs Thanos during IG or Surfer being contacted by Shield to take out God Cable would never have been written.

Read some comics please.

During IG, Strange so said that Hulk was the secret weapon at killing Thanos with the IG when him, Wolverine and Hulk was on the roof.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sure he can.


No, he can't. There is not a single proof of Thor having a dynamic strength or the fact that he can increase his strength at will.

Holding back=/=Increasing strength.

Name one time Thor has looked better than Hulk in terms of Strength in big stories.

Even back in Secret Wars I, even Banner hulk was the one who lifted the mountain while Thor's mightiest blows were like taps to the same.

It's the nature of the characters. Thor isn't about strength. Hence the wonder woman comparison.

Hulk was chosen to kill Thanos by the same Warlock and Starlin actively hated merged Hulk.

Thanos himself said under Starlin that he avoided fighting Hulk. Never such a claim about Thor.

Hulk never appeared in that Cable story.

Haha, you seem to live in an alternate reality where Thor is competitive with hulk in strength.

And with Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he can't. There is not a single proof of Thor having a dynamic strength or the fact that he can increase his strength at will.

Holding back=/=Increasing strength.

Now it's about increasing strength "at will".
Anyways, it's silly to claim that a character who has an integral part of his mythos of increasing his strength through berserker rage, does not have dynamic strength. This line of thinking is not only illogical, but completely devoid of character knowledge. Instead of making ridiculous claims, just ask nicely if you were unaware. There is however the possibility of you ignoring what you probably know already.

For starters here he tries to artificially induce this berserker rage through chants instead of the usual rage taking over.
http://imgur.com/VLePsDY
Unfortunate it doesn't work and attributes the failure due to having restrained himself among mortals for far too long. This alone should let you know that his strength is far from static and can be elevated through the level of rage he is in.

From an Avengers guidebook.
"His berserker rages increase his strength as he gets more and more angry".
http://imgur.com/CCDR25j

When Warlock faces off against an insane and enraged Thor, he recalls his near death past encounter with Thor. An encounter where Thor was in the grip of a version of warrior madness.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg.html

Then as the battle rages on, he realizes that it is futile to physically overpower Thor and that he is even more dangerous now than his last encounter with him in a past enraged state.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg.html

Physically overpowers Durok the Demolisher before his killshot who in the past had physically dominated him and the Surfer in the same comic by reaching deep for a strength... never fully realized before!
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpg

While fighting Orlog, (Odin in disguise who had given himself 4x Thor's strength to teach him a lesson) Thor finds his own strength and ultimately wins.
http://i.imgur.com/3BgFAIM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg

Not to mention he has been in an hour long strength lock with Savage Hulk who we know only gets stronger and stronger.

Hell he's matched Kurse who supposed to be 4x stronger than him in a strength lock.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Name one time Thor has looked better than Hulk in terms of Strength in big stories.

Even back in Secret Wars I, even Banner hulk was the one who lifted the mountain while Thor's mightiest blows were like taps to the same.

It's the nature of the characters. Thor isn't about strength. Hence the wonder woman comparison.
Goalposts much?

I replied to your ridiculous original claim.

"Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.

When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.

Remember Onslaught saga?"

Now you're adding Thor looking better than Hulk in strength when it comes to big stories?

No one is claiming that Thor is stronger than Hulk. That is Hulk's calling card. However defeating "the big bad" doesn't always require to be the strongest one there is. Only an idiot would think that. It's nearly as bad as Thor isn't about strength. Though he has an incredibly varied powerset, he surely is about strength. In comics he is synonymous with strength, hammer, and lightning.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Hulk was chosen to kill Thanos by the same Warlock and Starlin actively hated merged Hulk.

Thanos himself said under Starlin that he avoided fighting Hulk. Never such a claim about Thor.

Hulk never appeared in that Cable story.
Good for him. Not surprised since he's a comic book powerhouse.

Like I said, he is a comic book powerhouse. Under Starlin it was stated that "he was one of the most physically powerful beings in the universe". High high praise from same writer.
Hell in the recent Thanos Infinity series of graphic novels under Starlin, Thor was the last hero standing with Thanos. Every other powerhouse available had already perished from Annihilus's attack. I'm talking about powerhouses that included Surfer, Hyperion, Gladiator, Captain Universe, Black Bolt, Firelord, Terrax, Loki, and Doom.




Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, you seem to live in an alternate reality where Thor is competitive with hulk in strength.

And with Superman.


Again no one is saying he is stronger than these two. But the idea that he is not competitive in strength just smells of butthurt. We all know the real reason why you get such a titie attack anytime Thor's strength and or speed is involved. Because you think that without those two as a major advantage for you know who, there really isn't anything much left. Your insecurity knows no bounds.

Sad part is I know you will do your usual ignoring of proof.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d6x4kCqxZSI/Uye5jKhysHI/AAAAAAAAEEg/Ck749AQMLfc/s1600/tumblr_m1xmferwjd1r6hffko1_500.gif

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Now it's about increasing strength "at will".
Anyways, it's silly to claim that a character who has an integral part of his mythos of increasing his strength through berserker rage, does not have dynamic strength. This line of thinking is not only illogical, but completely devoid of character knowledge. Instead of making ridiculous claims, just ask nicely if you were unaware. There is however the possibility of you ignoring what you probably know already.

For starters here he tries to artificially induce this berserker rage through chants instead of the usual rage taking over.
http://imgur.com/VLePsDY
Unfortunate it doesn't work and attributes the failure due to having restrained himself among mortals for far too long. This alone should let you know that his strength is far from static and can be elevated through the level of rage he is in.

From an Avengers guidebook.
"His berserker rages increase his strength as he gets more and more angry".
http://imgur.com/CCDR25j

When Warlock faces off against an insane and enraged Thor, he recalls his near death encounter with Thor in the past. An encounter where Thor was in the grip of a version of warrior madness.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg.html

Then as the battle rages on, he realizes that it is futile to physically overpower Thor and that he is even more dangerous now than his last encounter with him in a past enraged state.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg.html

Physically overpowers Durok the Demolisher before his killshot who in the past had physically dominated him and the Surfer in the same comic by reaching deep for a strength... never fully realized before!
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpg

While fighting Orlog, (Odin in disguise who had given himself 4x Thor's strength to teach him a lesson) Thor finds his own strength and ultimately wins.
http://i.imgur.com/3BgFAIM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg

Not to mention he has been in an hour long strength lock with Savage Hulk who we know only gets stronger and stronger.

Hell he's matched Kurse who supposed to be 4x stronger than him in a strength lock.



Goalposts much?

I replied to your ridiculous original claim.

"Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.

When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.

Remember Onslaught saga?"

Now you're adding Thor looking better than Hulk in strength when it comes to big stories?

No one is claiming that Thor is stronger than Hulk. That is Hulk's calling card. However defeating "the big bad" doesn't always require to be the strongest one there is. Only an idiot would think that. It's nearly as bad as Thor isn't about strength. Though he has an incredibly varied powerset, he surely is about strength. In comics he is synonymous with strength, hammer, and lightning.


Good for him. Not surprised since he's a comic book powerhouse.

Like I said, he is a comic book powerhouse. Under Starlin it was stated that "he was one of the most physically powerful beings in the universe". High high praise from same writer.
Hell in the recent Thanos Infinity series of graphic novels under Starlin, Thor was the last hero standing with Thanos. Every other powerhouse available had already perished from Annihilus's attack. I'm talking about powerhouses that included Surfer, Hyperion, Gladiator, Captain Universe, Black Bolt, Firelord, Terrax, Loki, and Doom.





Again no one is saying he is stronger than these two. But the idea that he is not competitive in strength just smells of butthurt. We all know the real reason why you get such a titie attack anytime Thor's strength and or speed is involved. Because you think that without those two as a major advantage for you know who, there really isn't anything much left. Your insecurity knows no bounds.

Sad part is I know you will do your usual ignoring of proof.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d6x4kCqxZSI/Uye5jKhysHI/AAAAAAAAEEg/Ck749AQMLfc/s1600/tumblr_m1xmferwjd1r6hffko1_500.gif

Good post.

Originally posted by carver9
Good post.


Ty.

Btw Hulk was in the list of heroes who perished before the Odinson. Forgot to add him.

I take what I said back.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In DC, Superman more often than not fits that bill. Flash is

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Now it's about increasing strength "at will".

Yes, like Hulk and Superman.



Thor has onky one instance of getting to increase his strength tenfold via warrior madness but that's irreversible and not applicable here.



Yes, which means he can't do it at all. Somehow he doesn't takes off the restraining nature for all those years and gets ten times stronger.




The scan flat out says it can't be done that way. hence not even chanting.

And that's an anomaly anyway. Thor, Zeus and Hercules have been in Warrior Madness and it has never increased their strength tenfold.



Bios?



Next you'll tell me Thor is 95 tons level only.



Specifically stated as an adrenaline boost which happens to everyone.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/23827010_TThorstrength.jpg


Yes, adrenaline boost again.



Haha, that never gets old. Thor punched his own axe in his face and it was never through strength he actually won.



Hulk's dynamic strength wasn't fully established at that point.



Yes, where he was stated as clear underdog and was holding his own via sheer stubbornness. It doesn't means he was suddenly four times stronger than himself.






Excuses much?



Yes, why not? As you are claiming that Thor has dynamic strength, it must be shown somewhere, right?



No, he is not. He is the god of Thunder. Not God of Strength. That's Magni in his own comics.








Ok?



Yeah, Captain America is totally badass as he was the last man standing against IG Thanos.

Wait........





No, it is just the truth.



Haha, this is just hilarious. The sheer excuses for Thor are mind numbing.



Oh Celey, even after enduring so many humiliating defeats for Thor, you are still defending Odinson?

Too bad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, like Hulk and Superman.


Thor has onky one instance of getting to increase his strength tenfold via warrior madness but that's irreversible and not applicable here.
Yes through increased rage.

Err... Ignoring on panel proof doesn't make it go away and doesn't make it less butthurtfull for you.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, which means he can't do it at all. Somehow he doesn't takes off the restraining nature for all those years and gets ten times stronger.

The scan flat out says it can't be done that way. hence not even chanting.

And that's an anomaly anyway. Thor, Zeus and Hercules have been in Warrior Madness and it has never increased their strength tenfold.

The scan was to point out that baked in the character, is an avenue for a substantial increase in strength.

facepalm
The scan does not say that it can't be done that way. Obviously it is some sort of Asgardian process to induce berserker rage through chants/magic. The scan is basically showing that it failed in this instance with Thor attributing the failure due to holding back his strength for years from living with mortals. Reading incomprehension much?

And yet he has increased his strength substantially on panel in different eras and under different writers.

What does Zeus and Hercules have to do with Thor's ability to increase his strength? Looks like it's about that time you start spewing useless shiet when cornered.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Bios?



Next you'll tell me Thor is 95 tons level only.

Really? It's a viable source proof that only serves to back up my point. At least with me I have actual scans from stories that coincide with it. Do you want me to pull up all the times you've utilized bios? Hypocrisy much?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Specifically stated as an adrenaline boost which happens to everyone.

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/23827010_TThorstrength.jpg


Yes, adrenaline boost again.
Lol... Abhi.. This "adrenaline boost" allows him to physically contend with opponents 4x stronger than him, physically overpower powerful teams, and defeat opponents previously thought to be stronger than him. It's utterly sad that you constantly throw around the phrase "dynamic strength" without actually knowing the meaning of the word "dynamic".

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, that never gets old. Thor punched his own axe in his face and it was never through strength he actually won.
Lol no. He won through strength and skill. Hell the whole point of the story was to show that he is not only about Mjolnir. For the period of a year Odin took away Mjolnir and commanded him to rely only on his nerve and sinew (which means muscle which obviously implies strength).
http://i.imgur.com/SsnHLX2.jpg


Originally posted by abhilegend

Hulk's dynamic strength wasn't fully established at that point.
Gtfo. That's from Defenders 10(1972). His amazingly dynamic strength from anger has been established years before.

Tales to Astonish #78 (1959)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect02TTA078.jpg.html

Incredible Hulk #228(1962)
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk/HulkRespect03a228.jpg.html

There are many more examples. You my friend are a flat out liar.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, where he was stated as clear underdog and was holding his own via sheer stubbornness. It doesn't means he was suddenly four times stronger than himself.
Lol.... What a pathetic reply. Through stubbornness? It means he can raise his levels even when pitted against opponents who have been stated to be exponentially stronger than him on panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Excuses much?

Yes, why not? As you are claiming that Thor has dynamic strength, it must be shown somewhere, right?
Looks like you're running out of them.

Continue to ignore proof. As usual you are just digging your own grave here. If being a joke is fun for you, by all means be my guest.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, he is not. He is the god of Thunder. Not God of Strength. That's Magni in his own comics.
First of all, what a dumb statement. You don't have to have the title of god of strength to be universally considered as one of the physically strongest heroes in Marvel. And jokes on you. The very first super power he exhibited when first turning into a god was super strength.


Originally posted by abhilegend



Ok?
Under Starlin, Thor was stated to be "one of the physically most powerful beings in the universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, Captain America is totally badass as he was the last man standing against IG Thanos.

Wait........
Don't be foolish. Cap was "last" because he was giving the orders and directing the whole team. And technically he wasn't last. He was a distraction for Surfer to swoop in to try and steal the IG. Your example isn't at all comparable.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, it is just the truth.

Haha, this is just hilarious. The sheer excuses for Thor are mind numbing.

Oh Celey, even after enduring so many humiliating defeats for Thor, you are still defending Odinson?

Too bad.
Of course he's competitive in strength. Didn't you run last time when asked to prove that Superman is far and away stronger and more powerful than Thor?
No one is making excuses here.
In fact your whole post is riddled with ridiculous logic, lies, and just flat out lack of knowledge on characters you purport to know about.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes through increased rage.

Not really.



What ignoring? Thor himself saying he can't do it?

Which he can't access. Tough shit.

Yes, which failed and Thor says he can't do it anymore.

What is hard to understand about that?

So why would it be successful any other time? Does Thor not hangs with mortals anymore?

No, he hasn't.

Thor specifically said Zeus' warrior madness is the same as asgardians.

Why are you backing away from it now? Thor himself went in Warrior Madness against Adam Warlock and Merged Hulk.

Nowhere near ten times stronger.

When have I ever used bios? The bios are always unreliable.

There is not a single proof that Thor can start increasing his strength with being angry. That's Hulk.
Nice fan fiction. BRB while weakened beat the shit out of him while that boosted.

BRB must have dynamic strength too.



Dynamic strength means that the character's strength keeps increasing with a factor. Hulk has it. Superman has it. She hulk has it.

Thor doesn't. Never has.

Hulk and Superman don't need skills for that. See when Galaxy Master amped Abomination to be twice as strong as hulk. Hulk simply became angrier and kicked the shit out of Blonsky.

Or when Doomsday kept thrashing Superman and the entire League, Superman simply stopped holding back and beat Doomsday to death with his bare hands in moments while being near dead.

On the other hand when Beyonder made Kurse twice as strong as Thor, Thor needed his belt of Strength to become that strong.

Why would he have to do that when he can simply become twice as strong IYO?

There's not a single instant under Englehart who wrote Defenders where Hulk became stronger. That's what I'm talking about. The dynamic strength wasn't clearly established. Just a few years before Rhino stalemated Hulk for days into a slugfest.

Coincidentally Englehart had Wonder Man overpower Thor in a armlock. If Thor was actually able to increase his strength, that wouldn't happen.

And Hulk 228 is from 1978.

That's what the comic says.

Yeah, remind me why he had to use his belt of Strength against a weaker Kurse.

Hahaha.

Concession accepted.

What your point? Thor is insanely strong. He can't increase his strength though.

He is not hulk.

So? Under Starlin Gladiator was stated to be equal to Hulk in strength.

So are you going to accept Gladiator is stronger than Thor?

Yeah, that's exactly what Thor was. He was killed in one direct blast. Just like every other hero.

Just like Cap was.
I remember otherwise.

You just bitched and moaned.

He really isn't. Even savage hulk is stronger than Thor.

Forget about Superman or any other Hulk.

Yeah, bitching and moaning in thread number 1081.

Keep making excuses about Thor though. I really need a good laugh.

Bump.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.



What ignoring? Thor himself saying he can't do it?
Lol... Don't get stuck on one scan. You have been provided multiple sources. While you haven't provided anything, but complete denial.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Which he can't access. Tough shit.

Yes, which failed and Thor says he can't do it anymore.

What is hard to understand about that?

So why would it be successful any other time? Does Thor not hangs with mortals anymore?
Abhi.. It failed in that instance. The first time on panel he tried to artificially induce a berserker mindset. Doesn't mean it can never be done.

And yet he has through enraged states and just simply doing it at will like he did against Orlog and Durok. Why continue to ignore on panel evidence?


Originally posted by abhilegend

No, he hasn't.

Thor specifically said Zeus' warrior madness is the same as asgardians.

Why are you backing away from it now? Thor himself went in Warrior Madness against Adam Warlock and Merged Hulk.

Nowhere near ten times stronger.
All well in good for Zeus, but he's not the character in question here.

Backing away from what? He did go into some sort of warrior madness, but you fail to remember Thor was temporarily and artificially powered by Leader. Artificially powered by Leader is simply =/= to regular Thor. I invite you to say otherwise, but it won't look good for you.


Originally posted by abhilegend

When have I ever used bios? The bios are always unreliable.

There is not a single proof that Thor can start increasing his strength with being angry. That's Hulk.
Lol.. Oh the hypocrisy. You have used bios/handbooks on more than one occasion. Hell you tried to use marveluapp website (which is technically unofficial) against me in the past. Gtfo...

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nice fan fiction. BRB while weakened beat the shit out of him while that boosted.

BRB must have dynamic strength too.
Weakened? Hmm.. Don't recall that. Brb is a beast. Good showing for him.. But you know damn well as I do Thor was only getting stronger as the story progressed. Backed up by the fact that he beat the tar out of Warlock and Surfer soon after. Plus he did things like one shotting PG Draz and later on dominating the Infinity Watch. Come on bro...


Originally posted by abhilegend



Dynamic strength means that the character's strength keeps increasing with a factor. Hulk has it. Superman has it. She hulk has it.

Thor doesn't. Never has.
Dynamic in reference to this thread means "always active or changing".

Continue to ignore proof and continue to produce none. Really not helping your case.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Hulk and Superman don't need skills for that. See when Galaxy Master amped Abomination to be twice as strong as hulk. Hulk simply became angrier and kicked the shit out of Blonsky.

Or when Doomsday kept thrashing Superman and the entire League, Superman simply stopped holding back and beat Doomsday to death with his bare hands in moments while being near dead.

On the other hand when Beyonder made Kurse twice as strong as Thor, Thor needed his belt of Strength to become that strong.

Why would he have to do that when he can simply become twice as strong IYO?
And yet Thor was even more powerful according to Warlock in his encounter during B&T than when he first met him in an earlier enraged state years back.
And yet Thor was even stronger and physically overpowered Durok who had physically dominated him and Surfer in the past. Both comics referencing strength.

The writer wrote in the use of BoS. There are different ways of writing a story. So what? It doesn't change any of the examples that have been shown to you.

What would happen if I asked you why didn't Superman increase his strength when the Anointed One was killing him(and ultimately did)? Shouldn't he have raised his levels since he knows the excruciating pain of dying before? Get me bro? Stop with your double standards. You keep getting stuck on specific stories all the while ignoring the overall picture.

Originally posted by abhilegend

There's not a single instant under Englehart who wrote Defenders where Hulk became stronger. That's what I'm talking about. The dynamic strength wasn't clearly established. Just a few years before Rhino stalemated Hulk for days into a slugfest.

Coincidentally Englehart had Wonder Man overpower Thor in a armlock. If Thor was actually able to increase his strength, that wouldn't happen.

And Hulk 228 is from 1978.
Cornered again I see. Now it's just about Engleheart. Backpedaling foof.


Correction on Hulk#228 and Tales to Astonish #78. It was 1974 for Hulk #228 and 1966 for TtA#78. Plus Defenders 10 was actually 1973. So that makes one just a year after and the other one a whole 8 years before.

And there's TtA #73 (1965) where his dynamic strength is on display again. Even earlier than the others.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkLifting04TTA073.jpg.html

Heck in Tales to Astonish #70 He states that "The madder I get, the stronger I get".

Come on. Who are you fooling here?

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's what the comic says.

Yeah, remind me why he had to use his belt of Strength against a weaker Kurse.

Hahaha.

Concession accepted.
Stubbornness. Smdh...

Read above regarding Kurse...

And yet more useless drivel from you.

Originally posted by abhilegend

facepalm
What your point? Thor is insanely strong. He can't increase his strength though.

He is not hulk.
At this point you are a broken record. Read above.


Originally posted by abhilegend

So? Under Starlin Gladiator was stated to be equal to Hulk in strength.

So are you going to accept Gladiator is stronger than Thor?
That was clarification on an earlier post in case you misread.

Anyways.. Was he? Can't recall that statement to be honest.

Not by feats no.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, that's exactly what Thor was. He was killed in one direct blast. Just like every other hero.

Just like Cap was.
No amount of skirting around will change what happened. Last man standing with Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I remember otherwise.

You just bitched and moaned.

He really isn't. Even savage hulk is stronger than Thor.

Forget about Superman or any other Hulk.
Lol no. You said no and made some excuse about having no time, yet you made yourself available in some bz not long after.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, bitching and moaning in thread number 1081.

Keep making excuses about Thor though. I really need a good laugh.
Time and again you ignore proof, create smokescreens, fall into traps, use double standards, and make hypocritical claims.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol... Don't get stuck on one scan. You have been provided multiple sources. While you haven't provided anything, but complete denial.

Haha, what? Thor himself says he can't do it but suddenly he can? What, he just became detached of mortals all of a sudden?




That artificial augmentation? Nope it can't be done. Entering warrior madness doesn't makes you ten times stronger. Ask Him or Zeus or Hercules.



Yes, he momentarily wrestled with Durok and punched Orlog in face with hos own axe to beat him.

Neither of them show an increase of strength.





What about against Adam Warlock when Thor explicitly entered Warrior Madness?



Which restored his power. Not that he was gained some other power source.



Why not? Thor himself said that his power was restored. Do you know what "restored" means?





Just for information on a subject where your interpretation was once again quite erratic.

Not to prove say Captain Marvel has dynamic strength.




Yes, he was weakened by the beatings Thor gave to him. Now, its just "BRB is a beast"? Haha, you're so fickle.



No, he wasn't. He was getting stronger only with the PG and that was explicitly stated.



Under two different writers. Under Marz he was totally consistent with how he portrayed Thor in strength.

You're dismissing the letter page where it is clearly stated that Thor was on an adrenaline boost all the time and it was on a level only. He didn't become Hulk all of a sudden.





Nope. Thor can't up or down his strength.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/subconsciousblocks.jpg

This is dynamic power.



http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27615165_ThorvsHulk26.jpg

"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."

Explicitly informed that Thor can't increase his strength.

Anything else?




Yes, his adrenaline boosted state made his physically stronger. That's shooting your own theory that warrior madness makes you ten times stronger.

Because B&T Thor wasn't 10 times stronger, was he?



Yes, explicitly stated to be the like of a mother lifting the car off a child and even then it was an energy blast. Not by sheer strength.

http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2004072000393500&search=durok&searchcommand=multi&layout=thread

http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2004071223032200&search=durok&searchcommand=multi&layout=thread

That's the writer himself clarifying what was mentioned in the comic.



If only any of them had mentioned Thor increasing his strength.

Alas, all you have is your excuses.



Because Superman held back. That's what made the difference and was stated explicitly in the comic.




Yes, let's take the random instances where his strength increased and lump it together for a different scene under a different writer.

Coolio.



Yes, he had some instances where he got stronger and some where he didn't. That's why I said that it wasn't clear at that point.

But hey, show me Hulk getting stronger in any Defenders issue by that point. Just one time.



You're in denial. Again.

What a surprise!




Yeah, I'm the one who is stubborn while you are the one who is touting Thor having dynamic strength while thousands of comics deny that.

Right..........



Read what, your excuses? No thanks.


Hahaha.




So many excuses. "Waah, waah, Thor has dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman. Why don't you believe me".

Cry me a river.





Yeah, right.



Yes, explicitly stated.



Yeah, now backpeddling.




Because he wasn't hit by a direct blast yet. As soon as it did, he was killed like everyone else save Thanos.

Some feat it is.




What are you talking about idiot? I took away my name from a BZ before that.

But yeah, I remember you trying and failing Thor beating a single herald in h2h for 40 pages and crying and moaning all the way.

Good times.




You are in such a deep denial. Thor never had dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman.

Deal with it.

Thor never showed to have dynamic strength hmmm, so I guess the world engine feat most be his standard level of strength,

Almost every character has some firm if dynamic strength when the writer feels it is necessary for the comic.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor never showed to have dynamic strength hmmm, so I guess the world engine feat most be his standard level of strength,

Almost every character has some firm if dynamic strength when the writer feels it is necessary for the comic.
If you can quantify world engine, be my guest.

Such feats are meaningless anyway. Only against characters the strength can be measured.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you can quantify world engine, be my guest.

Such feats are meaningless anyway. Only against characters the strength can be measured. meaningless feats ?without said feats if two character's fought their battle would be meaningless :

Originally posted by DarkOdin
meaningless feats ?without said feats if two character's fought their battle would be meaningless :

It is meaningless though. Hulk overpowered an Abstract and has been shown to have skin as durable as adamantium. Can I consistently bring that up as a normal for him? Fights are the better site of things.

Originally posted by carver9
and has been shown to have skin as durable as adamantium

Waid's Indestructible Hulk? That was a beastly showing... but...

... bullets aren't actually sharp. No-selling them is one thing. Apparently they have not been fired with enough force.

Wolverine's claws are much superior to bullets, why? They've been honed as keen as possible, having surpassing their original razor-like sharpness as bone claws (only Deathstrike has boasted to have sharper claws) and are less than 1mm thick. Not to mention that they are backed up by superhuman strength, which shouldn't really be a factor unless we go by handbooks, but Logan still has more to offer in that particular department than a mere handgun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Thor himself says he can't do it but suddenly he can? What, he just became detached of mortals all of a sudden?

That artificial augmentation? Nope it can't be done. Entering warrior madness doesn't makes you ten times stronger. Ask Him or Zeus or Hercules.
Not going to keep holding your hand to understand one scan. Reading incomprehension at its fullest.

I don't care what specific number involves warrior madness. The fact remains he has increased his strength substantially with a berserker mindset as well as simply reaching deeper.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, he momentarily wrestled with Durok and punched Orlog in face with hos own axe to beat him.

Neither of them show an increase of strength.
Clearly overpowers a guy who has physically dominated both him and Surfer in the past.
"Even with Mjolnir beside me, I could barely stand against you before."
"Thor reaches deep into himself for a strength never fully realized before!"
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpg


"There I was. outmatched..." (opponent 4x stronger)
"But I found the strength..."
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend

What about against Adam Warlock when Thor explicitly entered Warrior Madness?


What about it? He went berserk and nearly beat Warlock to death. And their next encounter w/Surfer, Warlock claimed he was even more powerful. Pretty dynamic eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Which restored his power. Not that he was gained some other power source.

Why not? Thor himself said that his power was restored. Do you know what "restored" means?
Lol... Again. Leader artificially powering Thor =/= to his Asgardian powers actually being restored. Now if you think Leader has the ability to muck with Asgardian magics, then you are loonier than I thought.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Just for information on a subject where your interpretation was once again quite erratic.

Not to prove say Captain Marvel has dynamic strength.
Lol. So you admit to using bios? Good. Concession accepted.
hysterical


Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, he was weakened by the beatings Thor gave to him. Now, its just "BRB is a beast"? Haha, you're so fickle.

No, he wasn't. He was getting stronger only with the PG and that was explicitly stated.
No real proof in Bill being "weakened". Thor just finished beating on Surfer giving Bill time to recover to hit Thor from behind... Which gave Surfer time to recover and bull rush Thor. Thor smacks Surfer a couple more times and then Thor & Bill fight again. So what? You are subscribing to the idea that one is considered "weakened" just because they're in the middle of an extended struggle. If that's the case, anyone is weakened as soon as a fight starts.


Thor fought PG Drax in a knock down drag out prolonged battle a few issues back in his insane mindset. Later in B&T he was easily able to one shot PG Drax... And again later dominate him along with the Infinity Watch.
Bill was able to put Thor down briefly when Surfer was around. Soon after he easily destroys Bill again and nearly kills Surfer and Warlock at the same time. It was quite evident that he was only getting more and more enraged and getting more powerful as the story went along.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Under two different writers. Under Marz he was totally consistent with how he portrayed Thor in strength.

You're dismissing the letter page where it is clearly stated that Thor was on an adrenaline boost all the time and it was on a level only. He didn't become Hulk all of a sudden.
No one is dismissing that. You are completely ignoring the fact that said "adrenaline boost" allowed him to be significantly stronger than his normal self. It goes perfectly in line with his berserker mindset that is part of the character's mythos.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Nope. Thor can't up or down his strength.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/subconsciousblocks.jpg

This is dynamic power.
Lol...
Oh you mean like how he was subconsciously holding back against Grogg here? He was holding back and didn't even realize it.
http://i.imgur.com/z0v6UTL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1MyHs2i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DEhjYuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kftXIYH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tdVs5kO.jpg
Dynamic power?

Originally posted by abhilegend

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27615165_ThorvsHulk26.jpg

"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."

Explicitly informed that Thor can't increase his strength.

Anything else?
Lol why are you showing me dynamic strength showing from Hulk?
And where was it "explicitly" showed that Thor can't increase his strength?



Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, his adrenaline boosted state made his physically stronger. That's shooting your own theory that warrior madness makes you ten times stronger.

Because B&T Thor wasn't 10 times stronger, was he?
Glad you agree that Thor can get physically stronger.

Lol... That's probably one of the earliest if not the earliest iteration of warrior madness. I don't even think 10x boost was ever said back then. Personally I don't even subscribe to this 10x number. Different writers have different interpretations of it. On panel, it is indisputable that his strength substantially increases with rage. There have been too many examples of this in his history. It's even in some of his bios. It's really like a built in plot device allowing him to contend with opponents that on paper should be stronger or more powerful.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, explicitly stated to be the like of a mother lifting the car off a child and even then it was an energy blast. Not by sheer strength.

http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2004072000393500&search=durok&searchcommand=multi&layout=thread

http://comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=thor-2004071223032200&search=durok&searchcommand=multi&layout=thread

That's the writer himself clarifying what was mentioned in the comic.
And? That's nice and all except as stated, his deals with strength on a godly level. Just more proof that his strength can increase significantly based on mindset. It's really nothing that I haven't said before. Keep feeding me proof that helps my case. I don't mind at all.
lol1


Originally posted by abhilegend

If only any of them had mentioned Thor increasing his strength.

Alas, all you have is your excuses.

Because Superman held back. That's what made the difference and was stated explicitly in the comic.
Lol no... You have nothing here so you post useless prattle.

I wasn't saying he wasn't holding back. He may have.
I guess every time he losses it means he's holding back? The point is just because Thor is not explicitly stated to increasing his strength at any given instance, it doesn't mean he is unable to do so like what you tried to portray when he used BoS. It is simply foolish to go that route when he has already showed this ability many times. Why did Superman amp himself vs HP DD? Shouldn't he have just made himself stronger? Lol... Get me?



Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, let's take the random instances where his strength increased and lump it together for a different scene under a different writer.

Coolio.

Yes, he had some instances where he got stronger and some where he didn't. That's why I said that it wasn't clear at that point.

But hey, show me Hulk getting stronger in any Defenders issue by that point. Just one time.

You're in denial. Again.

What a surprise!
Ah ah ah... You moved the goalposts my friend. First you claimed that his dynamic strength hasn't really been established that far back. Then you came in using this author that author nonsense after you were shown proof that Hulk's dynamic strength was established years before the scan (Defenders 10 '73). Admit it you got caught. Hell in Hulk's first fight with Thor '63, he even tells Thor that he "grows stronger by the minute! Stronger! Stronger! Stronger! Strong enough to crush even you!". Funny thing Hulk later gets overpowered in a strength duel shortly after.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, I'm the one who is stubborn while you are the one who is touting Thor having dynamic strength while thousands of comics deny that.

Right..........
I'm not calling you stubborn. I quoted your stupid reasoning for Thor matching Kurse in a strength lock. Foof. As if strength was not involved. Smh..


Originally posted by abhilegend

Read what, your excuses? No thanks.

Hahaha.

So many excuses. "Waah, waah, Thor has dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman. Why don't you believe me".

Cry me a river.
Useless.
Useless.
Useless.
Glad you agree that you don't need to be called a god of strength to be really strong.
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, right.

Yes, explicitly stated.

Yeah, now backpeddling.
It was clarification because you seem to get lost easily.

Ok. Gladz is as strong as Hulk in your opinion? You're entitled to your own.

How is me believing Thor is stronger than Gladz backpedaling?
superdur

Originally posted by abhilegend

Because he wasn't hit by a direct blast yet. As soon as it did, he was killed like everyone else save Thanos.

Some feat it is.
I can agree with that though he did survive one which was very close in proximity to him and Thanos. There's also the point that some heroes weren't even showed with getting blasted by Annihilus's weapon, but died before Thanos and Thor. It was a good showing nonetheless.

Originally posted by abhilegend

What are you talking about idiot? I took away my name from a BZ before that.

But yeah, I remember you trying and failing Thor beating a single herald in h2h for 40 pages and crying and moaning all the way.

Good times.
Err... No. You made yourself available yet couldn't back your claims when push came to shove.

Lol... You ignored proof after proof like you're doing now. And haven't you realized it yet? I prolong these posts because it shows how many times you use smokescreens, double standards, hypocritical statements, backpedaling, moving goalposts, and outright lies.

It's quite amusing.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You are in such a deep denial. Thor never had dynamic strength like Hulk and Superman.

Deal with it.
Is it on the level of these two, probably not. Arguable that it in some ways it is, but I'd lean towards these two. But to suggest that he doesn't when baked into the mythos he has a thing called warrior madness which increases his strength substantially, bios that corroborate this, a whole host of showings where he simply digs deep, and even ones where he's subconsciously holding back is quite frankly dumb.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif http://images.killermovies.com/forums/user_sigs/9/4/customsig_117194_CP.gif

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58343243.jpg

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/38/350x700px-LL-38f7d207_JN9HXjQ.gif

https://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1u95cp2rv1qzhhi9o1_500.gif

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not going to keep holding your hand to understand one scan. Reading incomprehension at its fullest.

Yeah, you tell that everytime when nobody else interprets the scan as you.

Laughable really.



Then how does an adrenaline boost made his stronger than Warrior Madness?




Yes, "mother lifts the car" moment for Thor. He didn't overpower him though, he matched him in strength in an armlock and killed him by an energy blast.




Yes, the strength to continue the fight. Not becoming stronger.

Lulzworthy tactic though. Anytime a hero gets a second wind, they are just becoming stronger.

Right,,,,,,,,,




Yes, an adrenaline boost which was pretty static made his stronger than average. How do you reconcile that?




Yeah, no. Thor specifically says that his powers were totally restored by Leader and he had the power of a god.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27626460_Thor497-01.jpg

Does it anywhere says that Leader restored his powers without "getting stronger" powers?




Never used a bio to prove something out of the comic.





Of course there is.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626462_SS_v3_087_11b.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626463_SS_v3_087_12a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626464_SS_v3_087_13a.jpg



Bill was weakened since Thor beat him severely in Thor 461 and then again in Thor 468.




Yes, under Starlin. Later under Marz.



It was clearly stated that his power was pretty much at the same level since the madness started by an adrenaline boost. Its stated several times actually.

So no, its simply a different view by different writers.

Thor fought and beat BRB in exactly the same way in both Thor 461 and 468 under Marz if you want to compare.




No, it shows that an adrenaline boost can give him strength beyond normal which was sustained by his madness.

It happens even in real life and more so for heroes.





Adrenaline boost again.




The statement is clearly about who can increase his strength and its only Hulk.

Not Thor.






Only to a certain level by adrenaline boost. It doesn't keeps increasing.



Like pretty much every hero with the adrenaline boost. Its not a dynamic strength which can keep increasing more and more.






No, it has never been shown in a comic. He gets an adrenaline boost and that's it.




Haha, you are reaching h1 level now. It was stated as a never before and never after scenario and left Thor so weakened that he could barely stand.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626547_22.jpg

Its nt him getting stronger by his "dynamic strength", its him killing Durok with all he had.





Yeah, right.



He certainly was.



No, but if 50 years of continuity says he can't do it, then he can't do it.

Post a single instance of him getting stronger and it being mentioned and not just adrenaline boosts like here.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_35.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_36.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_37.jpg

There is no such comment on Thor's strength.

Because Doomsday himself has dynamic strength. Explicitly stated in the comic.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Unlike Thor. And Superman beat him to death in moments after getting ignored for hours and unable to hurt him at all.

That's called dynamic strength.




I stated clearly what I wanted to say. If you are too dumb to understand that, be my guest.



Funny thing, getting lifted doesn't makes you overpowered.

But I would like to see where Hulk is getting stronger in Defenders 10. Or any other Defenders issue before that.




When it was stated quite simply that it was stubbornness that kept him in the game, it doesn't. Thor had no hopes of matching Kurse in strength.





Concession accepted.




Never claimed that.


Cry me a river again. But I see we are going for a 40 pages ride again.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was clarification because you seem to get lost easily.

Ok. Gladz is as strong as Hulk in your opinion? You're entitled to your own.

According to Starlin, yes.



Thor is stronger than Gladiator?



That's why Gladiator KTFO him in two punches. Or beat down Masterson like a whore.




Noone else had been attacked like that. One blast and he was killed. Just like everyone else.



Its a good showing for Thanos only. Anything other is just reaching.




I'd already did.

You couldn't post a single h2h win for Thor against a herald in 40 pages. That was some bitching.



No, you prolong it because you have no hope of proving anything you say and just want the last word.

Like everytime.

Too bad.



Adrenaline boosts. Explicitly stated. Several times.

Thor doesn't has dynamic strength. Never did.

Deal with it.

Bump.

No

Yes.

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS.................

Well, if you want my opinion... WBH would be still too strong for him.

WWH is a freakin Hair-Puller!!!

Bump.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you tell that everytime when nobody else interprets the scan as you.

Laughable really.

Then how does an adrenaline boost made his stronger than Warrior Madness?
No. It's the usual case with you. The fact that he was even attempting to induce a berserker rage only reinforces the idea that he can amplify his strength significantly. It's pretty cut and dry. You not understanding or choosing to ignore that fact is what is laughable.

It was right there on panel. Warlock realized he was even more powerful than his last encounter with Thor in a berserker mindset.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, "mother lifts the car" moment for Thor. He didn't overpower him though, he matched him in strength in an armlock and killed him by an energy blast.

Yes, the strength to continue the fight. Not becoming stronger.

Lulzworthy tactic though. Anytime a hero gets a second wind, they are just becoming stronger.

Right,,,,,,,,,
facepalm
That wasn't just an "arm lock". Durok's arms were forced into crossed position and was eventually held in a bear hug. Lol...

Yeah. His opponent was specifically stated to have 4x his strength. It was specifically stated that he was "outmatched". Dynamic strength rising to the occasion bruh.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, an adrenaline boost which was pretty static made his stronger than average. How do you reconcile that?
Again you are missing the point. This "adrenaline boost" makes him significantly more powerful.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, no. Thor specifically says that his powers were totally restored by Leader and he had the power of a god.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27626460_Thor497-01.jpg

Does it anywhere says that Leader restored his powers without "getting stronger" powers?
For Christ's sakes Ahbi, your own scan says "artificial restoration". That is not the same as having his powers restored properly. Him thinking his all powers have returned doesn't mean they're as potent as before. Hell in the same issue his so called "powers" shorted out while fighting some thugs in a park. Are you kidding me? It was issues later that his true strength was restored.

In fact right after his bout with Hulk while still in the Arctic, he met with the Avengers and went on a short mission with them. This was even before your scan.
The Avengers acknowledged that he's still not the same even after having his so called powers restored.
http://i.imgur.com/MLXNYjW.jpg

Put this issue to rest. You know you are wrong here.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Never used a bio to prove something out of the comic.

Of course there is.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626462_SS_v3_087_11b.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626463_SS_v3_087_12a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626464_SS_v3_087_13a.jpg


Bill was weakened since Thor beat him severely in Thor 461 and then again in Thor 468.
Lol.. You just used a bio in another thread literally lest than a day ago.

He was beat up, but it doesn't mean he's weakened. The scan you left out seemed to show that he was restored.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, under Starlin. Later under Marz.

It was clearly stated that his power was pretty much at the same level since the madness started by an adrenaline boost. Its stated several times actually.

So no, its simply a different view by different writers.

Thor fought and beat BRB in exactly the same way in both Thor 461 and 468 under Marz if you want to compare.
Glad we agree.

Not sure where you are getting clearly stated.

It was evident going by his overall successive performances that he was only getting more powerful the more he let his rage take over.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, it shows that an adrenaline boost can give him strength beyond normal which was sustained by his madness.

It happens even in real life and more so for heroes.
Glad you agree he has dynamic strength.



Adrenaline boost again.
Glad you concede that he has dynamic strength. Lol..
And btw, he subconsciously held his strength in those scans.


Originally posted by abhilegend

The statement is clearly about who can increase his strength and its only Hulk.

Not Thor.
No. It clearly states Hulk's dynamic strength. It has nothing to do with Thor.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Only to a certain level by adrenaline boost. It doesn't keeps increasing.

Like pretty much every hero with the adrenaline boost. Its not a dynamic strength which can keep increasing more and more.

No, it has never been shown in a comic. He gets an adrenaline boost and that's it.
Lol which is it? Can he or can he not increase his strength?
I never claimed he can increase it without limit. That's a no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, you are reaching h1 level now. It was stated as a never before and never after scenario and left Thor so weakened that he could barely stand.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27626547_22.jpg

Its nt him getting stronger by his "dynamic strength", its him killing Durok with all he had.
Already addressed what happened with Durok here.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, right.

He certainly was.

No, but if 50 years of continuity says he can't do it, then he can't do it.

Post a single instance of him getting stronger and it being mentioned and not just adrenaline boosts like here.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_35.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_36.jpg
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/?action=view&current=DA1_37.jpg

There is no such comment on Thor's strength.
Don't really care if Supes was holding back. He may have.

The simple fact that writers even gave wonky numbers like increasing his strength tenfold in a berserker mindset tells you how dynamic his strength can be. The utter stupidity of claiming Thor is unable to amplify his strength is a blatant dismissal of this fact and the various on panel examples of said fact.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Doomsday himself has dynamic strength. Explicitly stated in the comic.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Unlike Thor. And Superman beat him to death in moments after getting ignored for hours and unable to hurt him at all.

That's called dynamic strength.
You are not understanding. For one I said HP DD and not DoS. Like Thor, Superman used different means to amp himself when Doomsday reached a point in which he was just too powerful for him. That's just the way the writer wrote the story. Just like Thor using the BoS when he was in a reduced state vs Kurse and against Arishem/Exitar. It doesn't mean he lost the ability to amplify his strength especially when in a berserker mindset.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I stated clearly what I wanted to say. If you are too dumb to understand that, be my guest.

Funny thing, getting lifted doesn't makes you overpowered.

But I would like to see where Hulk is getting stronger in Defenders 10. Or any other Defenders issue before that.
No. You got caught moving goalposts. This fake tirade is clearly a deflection.

Uh no. It is pretty clear he overpowered Hulk who in the same fight stated he was getting only stronger.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk04.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk05.jpg.html

Defenders 10? Gtfo of here. You were already proven wrong here.

Originally posted by abhilegend

When it was stated quite simply that it was stubbornness that kept him in the game, it doesn't. Thor had no hopes of matching Kurse in strength.


Concession accepted.


Never claimed that.


Cry me a river again. But I see we are going for a 40 pages ride again.
Lol... Strength not stubbornness governs muscles. Well at least is more of a factor than the latter.

Looks like we are. I don't mind as lo g as you get more exposed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
According to Starlin, yes.


Thor is stronger than Gladiator?



That's why Gladiator KTFO him in two punches. Or beat down Masterson like a whore.


Noone else had been attacked like that. One blast and he was killed. Just like everyone else.


Its a good showing for Thanos only. Anything other is just reaching.


I'd already did.

You couldn't post a single h2h win for Thor against a herald in 40 pages. That was some bitching.


No, you prolong it because you have no hope of proving anything you say and just want the last word.

Like everytime.

Too bad.


Adrenaline boosts. Explicitly stated. Several times.

Thor doesn't has dynamic strength. Never did.

Deal with it.
Yet Thor beat the shiet out of future Gladz when he stopped holding back.

Masterson Thor was dominated? Not sure about that.

You ran Abhi. And proof was posted regarding Thor's h2h prowess. Only you choose to ignore them.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yet Thor beat the shiet out of future Gladz when he stopped holding back.

Yes, by a hammer and energy attacks. Not through sheer strength. Gladiator did it with sheer strength.

In less attacks than Thor too.



Masterson was on the ground and had to literally sucker Gladiator with living lightning to stun Gladiator who was gloating above him.





Not a single win for Thor against a legit herald for 40 pages.

facepalm

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No. It's the usual case with you. The fact that he was even attempting to induce a berserker rage only reinforces the idea that he can amplify his strength significantly. It's pretty cut and dry. You not understanding or choosing to ignore that fact is what is laughable.

Yeah, its case with al you thorbags. Nobody else understands it, only you people do.

Get the **** out.



So Thor was what 12 times stronger? He was in Warrior Madness at that time.

Yes, all his "Warrior Madness" couldn't measure up to an adrenaline boost. How "dynamic" of him.




Yeah, no. Thor held him in his place and blasted him. That left him so weak he could barely stand.



Haha, no. Thor didn't become 4 times stronger. That's the entire point of that story.

That's just idiocy.




And it was stationary power level. He didn't gradually become stronger until he had PG.

That's the entire point of that story.




Why? The power was inside him. All he had to do was chant something and get 10 times stronger.

Oh wait....



Proof of that? I think Thor knows his powers better than you.



Yes, the restoration was temporary. It wasn't a faulty restoration though. He was as powerful as ever.





Hahaha, in the same issue Vision flat out says that Leader brought Thor to all his godly glory.

I'll take that over Black Widow saying he isn't a thunder god anymore anyday of the week.



Bwahaha. Oh the delusion here.




Not a bio you idiot.



No, Sif flat out says to preserve whatever strength he has. Flat out saying he was weakened.




Again delusional.



Flat out denied by the writers. His strength was static since he got mad.




Again delusional. Normal humans have dynamic strength too then.

Don't be idiotic.





No, it clearly stated that out of two only Hulk can increase his strength. Later Hulk notes that Thor is weaker and tired while he is stronger than ever. That's called dynamic strength.





Not at will no.



If its dynamic, there is no limit to it. There is no two way.




Yeah, I read your excuse. Laughing still.




So you just quoted it out of context? Here, Superman killed Doomsday who was explicitly getting stronger with the time.



http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg

Dynamic strength.



Which never happened. So pretty static.



No, its truth. You better believe it.




Superman wasn't amped in HP. He used weapons given by mother box. And Doomsday himself has dynamic strength.

He was explicitly equal to HP in OWAW and would've killed him too if he had liked.

Dynamic strength.



Since he has never done so, he can't lose it, can he? The best he can hope is Odin meddling his mind and him getting an adrenaline boost because of it.




Hahaha, oh the delusion.



Haha, what? He lifted Hulk off the ground. That's just as preposterous as thinking Hulk overpowered Thor when he had him go to his knees. Stan Lee flat out stated in Avengers 5 that only mjolnir could equal Hulk's punch.

Hulk is the strongest one there is. Get over it.





Only in your dreams.




That's what was explicitly mentioned as why Thor could stalemate Kurse. Not dynamic strength.



Concession accepted.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, its case with al you thorbags. Nobody else understands it, only you people do.

Get the **** out.
So nothing? Concession accepted.


Originally posted by abhilegend

So Thor was what 12 times stronger? He was in Warrior Madness at that time.

Yes, all his "Warrior Madness" couldn't measure up to an adrenaline boost. How "dynamic" of him.
Abhi... Why are you refuting what was clearly shown in the comic.
Bottom line is Warlock believed him to be even more powerful during B&T. Dynamic strength involved? You betcha!

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, no. Thor held him in his place and blasted him. That left him so weak he could barely stand.

Correct. W/o Mjolnir he physically overpowered a guy who he previously was never able to. A guy who he conceded had dominated him(and Surfer) in the past.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, no. Thor didn't become 4 times stronger. That's the entire point of that story.

That's just idiocy.
Lol no. No one is saying Thor became was 4x stronger. If you choose to give that precise calculation that's on you. What he clearly did on panel was find the strength that enabled him to defeat an opponent who was stated to have 4x his strength? Dynamic strength? You betcha!

Originally posted by abhilegend

And it was stationary power level. He didn't gradually become stronger until he had PG.

That's the entire point of that story.
Sure if you want to continue ignoring what was shown.
More power to you.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, its case with al you thorbags. Nobody else understands it, only you people do.

Get the **** out.
So nothing? Concession accepted.


Originally posted by abhilegend

So Thor was what 12 times stronger? He was in Warrior Madness at that time.

Yes, all his "Warrior Madness" couldn't measure up to an adrenaline boost. How "dynamic" of him.
Abhi... Why are you refuting what was clearly shown in the comic.
Bottom line is Warlock believed him to be even more powerful during B&T. Dynamic strength involved? You betcha!

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, no. Thor held him in his place and blasted him. That left him so weak he could barely stand.

Correct. W/o Mjolnir he physically overpowered a guy who he previously was never able to. A guy who he conceded had dominated him(and Surfer) in the past.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, no. Thor didn't become 4 times stronger. That's the entire point of that story.

That's just idiocy.
Lol no. No one is saying Thor became was 4x stronger. If you choose to give that precise calculation that's on you. What he clearly did on panel was find the strength that enabled him to defeat an opponent who was stated to have 4x his strength? Dynamic strength? You betcha!

Originally posted by abhilegend

And it was stationary power level. He didn't gradually become stronger until he had PG.

That's the entire point of that story.
Sure if you want to continue ignoring the actual story.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why? The power was inside him. All he had to do was chant something and get 10 times stronger.

Oh wait....

Proof of that? I think Thor knows his powers better than you.

Yes, the restoration was temporary. It wasn't a faulty restoration though. He was as powerful as ever.

Hahaha, in the same issue Vision flat out says that Leader brought Thor to all his godly glory.

I'll take that over Black Widow saying he isn't a thunder god anymore anyday of the week.

Bwahaha. Oh the delusion here.
"Artificial restoration"... Pretty clear to me.

Again he simply is not as powerful with Leader's "artificial" power up compared to having his power properly restored after the issue with Yggdrasil. It's as if you are saying Leader has access to immeasurable Agardian magic. Sometimes common sense works.


How should they know whether or not he's back to his normal self? Oh wait he's not because my stance is backed up not only by Black Widow's statement, but corroborated by his reaction(nearly fainting) after using his power. A scene that happened prior to him stating he obtained his powers back while flying over nyc. This is too easy...

Originally posted by abhilegend

Not a bio you idiot.
Lol.. You used a scan from a companion guidebook. A scan by the way that gave background info to a character(Overgirl). If I post the whole page you will not only look like a liar, but a troll of the highest order. Just stop...


Originally posted by abhilegend

No, Sif flat out says to preserve whatever strength he has. Flat out saying he was weakened.
Just realized something. You used scans of BRB supposedly weakened that happened way after your claim of him being "weakened" when he was able to temporarily put Thor down. Wtf Abhi? That is why you can't be trusted with scans and have all but lost your credibility in these forums. Did you not think you were going to get caught again? The scans you used happens long after he received both beatings from Thor which makes your claim completely without merit. I mean wtf! Please go hide under a rock.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Again delusional.

Flat out denied by the writers. His strength was static since he got mad.

Again delusional. Normal humans have dynamic strength too then.

Don't be idiotic.
Show me where it was "flat out denied by writers". Lol...

Not to the same degree. At these levels, it is clear and much more evident. And yes, he was subconsciously holding back his strength vs Grogg. To deny that is to completely ignore what'a on panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, it clearly stated that out of two only Hulk can increase his strength. Later Hulk notes that Thor is weaker and tired while he is stronger than ever. That's called dynamic strength.

Not at will no.

If its dynamic, there is no limit to it. There is no two way.
Show where it states that only Hulk can increase his strength in the scan. I'll be waiting. Lol...

Already showed you multiple scans of him doing so. You do know the more you ignore proof the more you look like an idiot right?



Originally posted by abhilegend

Yeah, I read your excuse. Laughing still.
So again nothing. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So you just quoted it out of context? Here, Superman killed Doomsday who was explicitly getting stronger with the time.

http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg

Dynamic strength.
Quoted out of context? No foof. You mistook HP DD with Dos. For some reason you brought up Clark's fight during DoS when I clearly brought up amping during HP.

It's good of you to show DD's dynamic strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Which never happened. So pretty static.

No, its truth. You better believe it.
Too bad it's already happened multiple times. That's truth bruh.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman wasn't amped in HP. He used weapons given by mother box. And Doomsday himself has dynamic strength.

He was explicitly equal to HP in OWAW and would've killed him too if he had liked.

Dynamic strength.
Sure he was. Other than weapons his ability to heal was clearly better.

Actually no real proof of dynamic strength for Clark during HP since he was utterly dominated there. OWAW is a better source.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Since he has never done so, he can't lose it, can he? The best he can hope is Odin meddling his mind and him getting an adrenaline boost because of it.
Go back if a couple of pages if you want to refresh your memory with proof.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha, oh the delusion.

Haha, what? He lifted Hulk off the ground. That's just as preposterous as thinking Hulk overpowered Thor when he had him go to his knees. Stan Lee flat out stated in Avengers 5 that only mjolnir could equal Hulk's punch.

Hulk is the strongest one there is. Get over it.
Concession accepted on your attempt to move goalposts.

Hulk was forcing his arms down. Hulk had the advantage with gravity on his side. Thor was pushing up and ultimately lifted Hulk off the ground. Hell Hulk's dumbfounded reaction speaks volumes. Seriously? Come the phukk on...

Originally posted by abhilegend

Only in your dreams.


That's what was explicitly mentioned as why Thor could stalemate Kurse. Not dynamic strength.


Concession accepted.
Read above since you were already proven wrong concerning Defenders 10.

Have some common sense.

Come. Let's expose you some more.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Come. Let's expose you some more.

You perv!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, Thor is Marvel's wonder woman.

When the chips are down, it's Superman and Hulk who are called to smash the shit out of the big bad.

Remember Onslaught saga?

LOL, you are delusional, Hulk? He's the go to guy? The only thing CLOSE to a go to guy Marvel has is Thor. Who ****ed up Sentry?

Superman, yeah, always, that's how you got turned into a disciple.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he can't. There is not a single proof of Thor having a dynamic strength or the fact that he can increase his strength at will.

Holding back=/=Increasing strength.

Name one time Thor has looked better than Hulk in terms of Strength in big stories.

Even back in Secret Wars I, even Banner hulk was the one who lifted the mountain while Thor's mightiest blows were like taps to the same.

It's the nature of the characters. Thor isn't about strength. Hence the wonder woman comparison.

Hulk was chosen to kill Thanos by the same Warlock and Starlin actively hated merged Hulk.

Thanos himself said under Starlin that he avoided fighting Hulk. Never such a claim about Thor.

Hulk never appeared in that Cable story.

Haha, you seem to live in an alternate reality where Thor is competitive with hulk in strength.

And with Superman.





When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?"

Originally posted by carver9
I take what I said back.

About what exactly?

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you can quantify world engine, be my guest.

Such feats are meaningless anyway. Only against characters the strength can be measured.

No dumbass, it's a very meaningful, telling and relevent feat. You are a child that covers his eyes and plugs he's ears when you encounter something you don't like.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, by a hammer and energy attacks. Not through sheer strength. Gladiator did it with sheer strength.

In less attacks than Thor too.



Masterson was on the ground and had to literally sucker Gladiator with living lightning to stun Gladiator who was gloating above him.





Not a single win for Thor against a legit herald for 40 pages.

but haven't you made the argument that his energy attacks are meaningless, weak or some other bullshit?

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Originally posted by Horrificus
At the request of many, many board members and mods, I shall govern over this dispute.

Let me say, this is quite an honor and I shall do my best to ensure that all arguments are processed and reviewed in earnest. Unless it brings me pleasure to do otherwise. In which case, I shall create a great deal of unrest, unpleasant emotions and general loathing amongst my former peers.

Presents and Monetary Gifts are welcome. PM me and I will instruct members on the best method of shipping or transfer.

Thank you.

Honorary Mediator

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So nothing? Concession accepted.


Yeah, more delusions. Good, good.




Because Warrior Madness never showed an increase of strength and Blood and Thunder only showed it due to an adrenaline boost.

I'd like to see where Warrior Madness increased Thor's strength against Warlock.




Yes, due to a sudden adrenaline boost akin to mothers lifting cars above their babies and which left him too weakened. That's not a strength boost.

That's simply giving everything you have in one shot.




Yes, the same as finding someone's spirit doesn't means he was catching his own spirit.

That's a metaphor for getting second wind you doof.




Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.





Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.





So just parroting yourself now?

Hahahaha. You are just broken now.




So just parroting yourself now?

Hahahaha. You are just broken now.




Damn you are a broken watch now.




Yes, his powers are restored. Vision even clarifies that his godly glories are back.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27668642_Avengers_v1_397_07.jpg

Amazing how that was never brought up but Black Widow saying something is the truth now.



It wasn't a power up. It was a restoration.




Yes, the restoration wasn't permanent. But the warrior madness and his godly powers were as genuine as possible. I have Vision and Thor's admission as proof.

You have Black Widow. Not even a comparison TBH.




Its not a companion guidebook. Its a distinct comic book written by the writer of the event itself.

The sheer desperation here is sad.





Wut? Thor had already beat the shit out of him twice and Bill was defeated by a single energy blast at that point. He was as weakened as he could be until you think an energy blast can do so much damage to Bill.



Wut? Are you really this dense? If Bill was weakened long after Thor's beating, why wouldn't he be when he beat Thor down seeing how he just got the shit kicked out of him before that?

Are you really this dumb? Bill became weaker as the time passed?



Oh you are hopeless.




Mighty Thor 385. Read it yourself.



Nope. Simple adrenaline boost. It has never been stated for Thor.




You really are blind, aren't you.

"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."

Can you see it now?



Not a single instance of dynamic strength. Just adrenaline boosts.






Haha, more delusions. Good, good.




Wut? Superman was never amped in HP.



And Superman killing him with brute strength.




Never did. All adrenaline boosts.




Nope, never shown or implied.



Because Doomsday himself was adapting faster. Not a fault on Superman's end.

And Superman was actually weakened by Doomsday's poison.





I already did. Those are once again just "excuses".

All I see is your bitching and moaning.





Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.



Yes, he lifted Hulk off ground. That's it. Hulk actually forced Thor to his knees.

That's far better proof of greater strength than lifting somebody up.



Only in your delusions.



Have some brains. I know the thor fanboyism has melted off your brain but come on.

This is idiotic even for you.



Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, you are delusional, Hulk? He's the go to guy? The only thing CLOSE to a go to guy Marvel has is Thor. Who ****ed up Sentry?

Superman, yeah, always, that's how you got turned into a disciple. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?"
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No dumbass, it's a very meaningful, telling and relevent feat. You are a child that covers his eyes and plugs he's ears when you encounter something you don't like. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
but haven't you made the argument that his energy attacks are meaningless, weak or some other bullshit? Shut up already kid.

You are the just LOB jr at this point. Except he is actually somewhat entertains.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?" laughing

When he removes the mental inhibitors that he put in place to keep his full power in check.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, more delusions. Good, good.
Still nothing.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Because Warrior Madness never showed an increase of strength and Blood and Thunder only showed it due to an adrenaline boost.

I'd like to see where Warrior Madness increased Thor's strength against Warlock.
Not even going into numbers, that's ignoring an unmistakable statute of warrior madness which is the increase in strength. And are you listening to yourself? You are by definition acknowledging the fact that Thor can increase his strength due to your so called "adrenaline boost". And we know that he was clearly operating beyond regular levels during B&T.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, due to a sudden adrenaline boost akin to mothers lifting cars above their babies and which left him too weakened. That's not a strength boost.

That's simply giving everything you have in one shot.
Sorry to tell you, but proof says otherwise. He simply upped his level.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, the same as finding someone's spirit doesn't means he was catching his own spirit.

That's a metaphor for getting second wind you doof.
It can be. It's also dynamic strength.



Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.

Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
So nothing? Good.


Originally posted by abhilegend

So just parroting yourself now?

Hahahaha. You are just broken now.

So just parroting yourself now?

Hahahaha. You are just broken now.
It was from a double post genius.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Damn you are a broken watch now.
Still nothing.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, his powers are restored. Vision even clarifies that his godly glories are back.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/27668642_Avengers_v1_397_07.jpg

Amazing how that was never brought up but Black Widow saying something is the truth now.
Your scan is pure statement. My scan with Widow has Thor fainting from using his power along with a statement from Widow that backs it up. Have some common sense.
http://i.imgur.com/MLXNYjW.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend

It wasn't a power up. It was a restoration.

Yes, the restoration wasn't permanent. But the warrior madness and his godly powers were as genuine as possible. I have Vision and Thor's admission as proof.

You have Black Widow. Not even a comparison TBH.
Semantics. Still clearly below what true Asgardian magic can do.

Lol... Thor was so hopped up on fighting that he would take a reduced state power up and still fight. Again keep ignoring multiple glaring facts.
Leader does not have vast Asgardian power at his disposal.
Thor had bouts of weakness during this so called "restoration".
He was only truly restored in Thor 501 through the involvement of Odin and Yggdrasil. Gtfo.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its not a companion guidebook. Its a distinct comic book written by the writer of the event itself.

The sheer desperation here is sad.
No. You were outed as being hypocritical yet again. That's a common theme for you here. No amount of ridiculous excuses can change that.


Originally posted by abhilegend

Wut? Thor had already beat the shit out of him twice and Bill was defeated by a single energy blast at that point. He was as weakened as he could be until you think an energy blast can do so much damage to Bill.

Wut? Are you really this dense? If Bill was weakened long after Thor's beating, why wouldn't he be when he beat Thor down seeing how he just got the shit kicked out of him before that?

Are you really this dumb? Bill became weaker as the time passed?



Oh you are hopeless.
No and no. You tried to pass off scans that happened long after all the beatings he received from Thor as proof that he was supposedly weakened (weak argument btw even had you used it properly) and still able to briefly put Thor down in one of their encounters... When in fact, those scans have nothing to do with your claim because they no longer met in battle post scans. Gtfo out of here. Who are you fooling? Certainly not me. You got caught again.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Mighty Thor 385. Read it yourself.

You really are blind, aren't you.
"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."
Can you see it now?
Ok I'll agree on this. Still it doesn't disprove all the examples of it throughout his history. Too many and too often.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nope. Simple adrenaline boost. It has never been stated for Thor.
The scans speak for themselves. Case closed.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Lol...
Oh you mean like how he was subconsciously holding back against Grogg here? He was holding back and didn't even realize it.
http://i.imgur.com/z0v6UTL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1MyHs2i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DEhjYuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kftXIYH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tdVs5kO.jpg
Dynamic power?


Originally posted by abhilegend

Not a single instance of dynamic strength. Just adrenaline boosts.
Look at the previous pages.
windnuts

Originally posted by abhilegend

There are other examples, but too many to list.

Just too name a few would be his battle with Annihilus. During a time with his bouts of weakness (due to Loki), Thor went from getting ko'd to outright walking through and no selling his attacks later on.

Or when Grogg beat him down when he had his strength siphoned. He was beaten and shackled with no hope of escape only to suddenly break his bonds after being taunted and mercilessly beat Grogg in an almost blood lusted state.

Or the time it took him hours to beat one of Gorr's black berserkers to outright one-shotting them.

Like I said. Too many and too often.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Wut? Superman was never amped in HP.

And Superman killing him with brute strength.

Never did. All adrenaline boosts.
Amped as in Mbox improving his suit and giving him weapons he never had. As in not standard Superman.


Good for him.


Whatever you say.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nope, never shown or implied.
Sure he was. Mbox was automatically healing him on the fly specifically on his shoulder due to DD's claw piercing it.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Because Doomsday himself was adapting faster. Not a fault on Superman's end.

And Superman was actually weakened by Doomsday's poison.
Not the point. The point is just because some stories don't highlight his dynamic strength, it doesn't mean he does not possess that ability. Common sense.

Probably so, but he had MBox healing him pretty immediately.


Originally posted by abhilegend

I already did. Those are once again just "excuses".

All I see is your bitching and moaning.
No.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
So nothing on moving goalposts? Good.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, he lifted Hulk off ground. That's it. Hulk actually forced Thor to his knees.

That's far better proof of greater strength than lifting somebody up.
Lol... Hulk was forcing him down, but did not actually get him to his knees. Thor was able to push Hulk's arms upward and eventually lifted him off the ground with Hulk getting dumbfounded. There really isn't much more needed to understand the scene.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Only in your delusions.

Have some brains. I know the thor fanboyism has melted off your brain but come on.

This is idiotic even for you.

Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
superdur

Originally posted by lawest9
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?" laughing

When he removes the mental inhibitors that he put in place to keep his full power in check.

That's not actually increasing his strength, which is no different when Thor uses 30% of his power on Earth. Increasing one's strength would have to involving gains from an outside source. Silver Surfer and Hulk can actually increase their strength.