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Force field cain Marko.
Original line up Elite.
No prep.
No BFR.

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Elite wins, with ease.

How so?
Whenever someone caveats with easily it makes me wonder.

Black removes his helmet via TK and shuts his mind down. Easy.

Is Black weakened? You forgot to say he was weakened.

The Elite is most def WAY Smarter then ol marko so yes. They can most def WIN!

Well of course they can, but it wont be easy.

Actually if we're going by the logic above you, Juggernaut easily just easily beats them all to death with ease. I should post like this more often, takes a lot less effort!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Black removes his helmet via TK and shuts his mind down. Easy.

Through the FF? Guess those only work for DC characters.

Well gee though I don't think it's a normal tactic for Black to just shut down someone's mind like that. How many times did he do it? He needs to of done it 8,000 times before we say he can use it in a fight lol.

Never said he couldnt do it. That hasnt been my point.
Not that it matters, you seem to be in a mood this morning. Fun to read, though!

Juggernaut should be at least somewhat resistant to TK tampering, as his battle with Marvel Girl showed. Black Tom also made sure the helmet would be as hard to remove as possible.

Juggs ain't Supes. He eats Supermen for a breakfast and shits out abhis.

Yeah, it's not that Cain is out of his league. But this is just matchup hell for him. Elite rolls.

Originally posted by riv6672
Never said he couldnt do it. That hasnt been my point.
Not that it matters, you seem to be in a mood this morning. Fun to read, though!

That wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at abi, he brought up the method Black rarely busted out.

I'm merely saying if we disallow certain tactics for characters due to the tactics rarely being used then we should apply that to all characters.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Juggernaut should be at least somewhat resistant to TK tampering, as his battle with Marvel Girl showed. Black Tom also made sure the helmet would be as hard to remove as possible...

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, it's not that Cain is out of his league. But this is just matchup hell for him...

What the-?!? Unbiased opinions!

Thanks.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well gee though I don't think it's a normal tactic for Black to just shut down someone's mind like that. How many times did he do it? He needs to of done it 8,000 times before we say he can use it in a fight lol.


Hmmm arent u the one thats always bringing up super speed for characters who rarely use super speed? Now you're saying Abhis argument isnt sound when black has both tk & tp and no qualms about using it.

Which juggernaut? Current?

Juggernaut takes this imo. Any elite brick would win this fight. Manchester is the problem and if you can power through his TK, you can take this fight and yes, Jugs would power through his TK.

How would Cain even get his hands on anyone in the Elite? This isn't going to be a brawl. Spam attacks from a distance.

Hat and Black can play keep away. I think Coldcast will likely get up close and personal same with Menage but her problems are useless.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hat and Black can play keep away. I think Coldcast will likely get up close and personal same with Menage but her problems are useless.

Sounds good. I don't think Coldcast HAS to get in close, but yeah, seems like he prefers to. Agreed on Menagerie.

Doesnt cain normally tell his opponents that his helmets protect him from tp?

Problem with the Elite is also they have so few showings.

The Hat's rune field protects him from all physical harm - Chester's words.

Do we attribute ALL harm? Then it would be an endless stalemate, lol, until Chester tries something.

the hat is dangerous in this because he was so vaguely portrayed. his powers were a plot device. the force field is so rarely used i was under the impression standard matches with juggs didn't even allow for it. i thought that had become a forum rule. if he has it, they bfr him 10/10. if he doesn't, the helmet is ripped off and he's turned into a veggie by black alone. if it's forum juggs and no bfr, it becomes a stalemate i guess..... juggs threads are fun.

Originally posted by Faceless808
How would Cain even get his hands on anyone in the Elite? This isn't going to be a brawl. Spam attacks from a distance.


Jump really fast and far. That'll settle that.

Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut takes this imo. Any elite brick would win this fight. Manchester is the problem and if you can power through his TK, you can take this fight and yes, Jugs would power through his TK.

you mean any elite brick immune to tp powerful enough to work over superman and turn bizarro sane, then sure.

seriously, wtf....? regular bricks have almost no chance to beat this team.

Chester rewired Doomsday.

That's a feat that's pretty insane.

Originally posted by leonidas
you mean any elite brick immune to tp powerful enough to work over superman and turn bizarro sane, then sure.

seriously, wtf....? regular bricks have almost no chance to beat this team.

When Superman stopped holding back, the fight was over. They are fighting against a character that could power through their attacks and have no problem holding back.

Who also has a TPweakness and is dumb as hell.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who also has a TPweakness and is dumb as hell.

How is his helmet coming off when he has a shield over him covering it?

Originally posted by carver9
When Superman stopped holding back, the fight was over. They are fighting against a character that could power through their attacks and have no problem holding back.

nope, not really. at all. when he thought black murdered lois he still didn't break out of the mind trap--and he was fighting to kill for most of that battle.....

as far as when supes took out the elite--he used his superspeed to do it. cain is about as slow as anyone can be....

hell, black's tk alone was enough to challenge superman, which would mean he is certainly strong enough to smack cain around for most of the fight. if this is forum juggs who ooc has a force field up for the whole fight in some inexplicable way, then it's a stalemate. if not, he loses this every single time to black alone, no elite needed. hell, i'd need to see some proof that the force field prevents tk from even working tbh. it stops physical hits but kurt has ported to him directly numerous times, so does anyone even know for sure the shield would keep out a tk attack on the helmet? mags was even able to affect kurrth.

Originally posted by leonidas
cain is about as slow as anyone can be....

Actually, he's surprised Beast with his speed once.

And Beast would speedblitz the shit out of the average Superman, who fails at every step

When he had his field up, a novice Marvel Girl was able to affect him with TK.

Chester is comfortably above that, AND he's an absolute bastard to boot. He won't pussyfoot around like she did.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When he had his field up, a novice Marvel Girl was able to affect him with TK.

Chester is comfortably above that, AND he's an absolute bastard to boot. He won't pussyfoot around like she did.

She tried, but it didn't do much in the end. That's the point. TK trick is not a surefire win here.

Oh, as for Clark's incredible speed:

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Loser will always be a loser, no matter from what planet he came to visit us.

Heck, how many times X-men have beaten Cain at this point by just having a telepath in their team?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She tried, but it didn't do much in the end. That's the point. TK trick is not a surefire win here.

Oh, as for Clark's incredible speed:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663641-shadowdragon1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663642-shadowdragon2.jpg

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Loser will always be a loser, no matter from what planet he came to visit us.



Wolverine is still dead.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Wolverine is still dead.

You monster... y u make me dis sad

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Originally posted by carver9
Jump really fast and far. That'll settle that.

OK, but Cain ain't no Hulk, but I'm sure you know that!!

He's not, but he can jump pretty far and high if he wants to. It's not some unique ability only the Hulk has

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's not, but he can jump pretty far and high if he wants to. It's not some unique ability only the Hulk has

I'm not saying he can't, just saying, IMO, that it won't be the game changer. Like Digi said, this matchup is not ideal for Cain. If you could hand pick a group of 4 to face Cain, you'd pick a team that doesn't play to his strengths. The Elite is such a team, although Menagerie is the weak link in this thread. Besides, she reminds me of my ex-wife!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You monster... y u make me dis sad



If its any consolation, Namor is dead too.

Wait..

shocklaugh

+ mcu bones

Almost as if G.R.R. Martin was in charge, tormenting my soul

Which juggs is this? The most recent version?

Does that really matter? Its JuggyNuts and all versioins are pretty much the same.


They are all stupid and suck.

Cool reading.

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I just wanted to post this for the heck of it.

Originally posted by carver9
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I just wanted to post this for the heck of it.

You can troll zopzop with it, lol.

Havent seen him in awhile.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Does that really matter? Its JuggyNuts and all versioins are pretty much the same.


They are all stupid and suck.
Most recent one is strong enough to kill cyttorak,and TP protecting structure dosent come off

Originally posted by Genii96
Most recent one is strong enough to kill cyttorak,and TP protecting structure dosent come off

What?

^^^He said the most recent one is strong enough to kill cyttorak,and TP protecting structure dosent come off.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^He said the most recent one is strong enough to kill cyttorak,and TP protecting structure dosent come off.

You guys dating? U speak for him now?

Sin i am? More like son you are!

...........I don't get it/

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Does that really matter? Its JuggyNuts and all versioins are pretty much the same.


They are all stupid and suck.

Current is immune to telepathy and even stronger then before

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He apparently has enough power to even kill cytorrak. Though I find that hard to believe

What book?

Amazing X-Men #18-19 (vol 2)

This is pre secret wars so it may be ignored.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Current is immune to telepathy and even stronger then before

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20018-021_zpsl4u4i9kf.jpg
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He apparently has enough power to even kill cytorrak. Though I find that hard to believe

So now the only way to get rid of him is to talk to him and make him sad so he goes away?


Yup. Juggy Still SUCKS!

They "beat" him by knocking him off a cliff and then they all just left. They didn't stop the problem but we're happy temp delaying him and left. Issue ends with juggernaut climbing back up. That was the last we saw him. Keep in mind cyto also gave him more power so he could kill him.....yeah

Prior to Cain getting the power back, the living monalith had it so he was a 1000 foot tall juggernaut. It was a bad story.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Current is immune to telepathy and even stronger then before

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20018-021_zpsl4u4i9kf.jpg
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He apparently has enough power to even kill cytorrak. Though I find that hard to believe
That just means cty gave him 51% or more of his juice

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What?
well it has been posted

Yeah, Geni said the truth.

Apparently Cyttorak is so f*cking bored, the thought of his avatar having a chance to kill him appears entertaining to him. That's how Cain talked his way to get his power back.

Smh.

Maybe Cyttorak is one those that like to get choked.

Makes sense, yeah.

"Harder, Cain! Harder!!!"

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Maybe Cyttorak is one those that like to get choked.
Like the son he is!

On the real, though, excellent scan. Hadnt seen that one before.

Fun fact, caun faced the xmen cuz he wanted to kill scott for killing xavier, the xmen(to my shock) tried to stop him

Fast forward to U-xmen 600,he is one of scott's assembled mutants...lolz,

God i hate Cyclops.

Oh? Why?

His attitude ove the last 15+ years. He's one of a few MU characters that slowly started being written as more and more douchy, who i used to like quite a bit.

That and the absurdity of trying to convince us that he is a Reed Richard level Tactical Strategist as well.

What is your big Strategy in this fight Cyke?

Imma Hit it wif Muh Punch Laser!!!!!!!

Ohhh GENIUS!!!!!

Originally posted by riv6672
His attitude ove the last 15+ years. He's one of a few MU characters that slowly started being written as more and more douchy, who i used to like quite a bit.
Scott? Douchy? You sure?..m- think that goes to beast,bobby and rrrhate(logan)

Originally posted by Genii96
Scott? Douchy? You sure?..m- think that goes to beast,bobby and rrrhate(logan)

Yeah he's less douchey and more just..murderous.

Plus he made out with Emma Frost on top of Jean Grey's grave. Actually no that makes him awesome.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Current is immune to telepathy and even stronger then before

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20018-021_zpsl4u4i9kf.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20019-010_zps9nabr5bz.jpg

He apparently has enough power to even kill cytorrak. Though I find that hard to believe plus, he has "Back Hoses"!!!

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah he's less douchey and more just..murderous.

Plus he made out with Emma Frost on top of Jean Grey's grave. Actually no that makes him awesome.
Ha, the male fantasy.

Anyone else shipped magik X cyke?

^^^Colossus x Cyke...

Originally posted by riv6672
His attitude ove the last 15+ years. He's one of a few MU characters that slowly started being written as more and more douchy, who i used to like quite a bit.

Dude, that's why he's likable, or should be. Being that he's not real, douchy/antoheroy is FAR more interesting.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah he's less douchey and more just..murderous.

Plus he made out with Emma Frost on top of Jean Grey's grave. Actually no that makes him awesome.

This^

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She tried, but it didn't do much in the end. That's the point. TK trick is not a surefire win here.

Oh, as for Clark's incredible speed:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663641-shadowdragon1.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663642-shadowdragon2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663643-shadowdragon3.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663644-shadowdragon4.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/3663645-shadowdragon5.jpg

Loser will always be a loser, no matter from what planet he came to visit us.




Oh man, scan of the year for 2016.

Hey Abby, one question- Did you cry?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Current is immune to telepathy and even stronger then before

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20018-021_zpsl4u4i9kf.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Amazing%20X-Men%202013-%20019-010_zps9nabr5bz.jpg

He apparently has enough power to even kill cytorrak. Though I find that hard to believe

K-M, how did he get the extra power? like the look minus the Apocolypse cables.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dude, that's why he's likable, or should be. Being that he's not real, douchy/antoheroy is FAR more interesting.
Oh i never said he was uninteresting.

Originally posted by riv6672
Oh i never said he was uninteresting.

I want Marvel to do more with Cyke like they did a few years ago. He had a nice douchy run.

Yeah, that was good stuff.