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Fate (Jared)

vs

Magik (Illyana)

I could see this being an endless stalemate.

Jarred's immunity to magic means there isn't much Illyana can do to him. But I can't see him doing her much harm either. His Blade might hurt her but i think it's a big risk throwing it to do so, she could easily port out of its way. I know it never misses what he aims at but Illyanna could easily make a doorway that takes it to another realm.

Magik teleports his head off - her portals are mutant based, not magic based.

^ I wrote that down in the discussion thread but deleted it cause I'm not sure you want that fact out there if your match were to still happen

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Magik teleports his head off - her portals are mutant based, not magic based.



And with BFR on, she could just send him to the Moon.

Her armour should be proof against him as well; he had trouble fighting Two Face in h2h Whereas she goes up against Sym etc.

Eurgh.

Fate stomps.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


And with BFR on, she could just send him to the Moon.

Her armour should be proof against him as well; he had trouble fighting Two Face in h2h Whereas she goes up against Sym etc.

What issue is that from?? doesn't make sense given he could fight entire dimensions of demons. though that was with the chaotic arm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eurgh.

Fate stomps. why the sudden change in opinion?

He's bored and wants some kind of debate.

Originally posted by beatboks
What issue is that from?? doesn't make sense given he could fight entire dimensions of demons. though that was with the chaotic arm.

As long as his arm of chaos is in play, Fate *should* win, imo. Case in point:
http://i.imgur.com/2iB02vT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XvdQVQT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L78paxR.jpg
Not only was Jared able to forcefully push Nekron back into the rift, but Nekron's 'aspect of Death' power had NO effect on him whatsoever. CrayCray.


For the record: it had already been established that Nekron = "Death as a cosmic certainty... Death as the ultimate opponent" by that point in time:
http://i.imgur.com/qO8u7bN.jpg


And so far as I know, Death's power/influence =/= magical... Even when Johns reintroduced him years later in Blackest Night. Jared was just haxx as f*ck when he needed to be... /shrug

Originally posted by deathslash
why the sudden change in opinion?

This is why I'm going to be substantially reduced in effectiveness over the next few months.... Not posting scans is killing me!!!!

Anyway, Dr Strange 007- The Last Days of Magic #2 shows Magiks teleportation is, well, magical.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is why I'm going to be substantially reduced in effectiveness over the next few months.... Not posting scans is killing me!!!!

Anyway, Dr Strange 007- The Last Days of Magic #2 shows Magiks teleportation is, well, magical.


Writer screwed up there. In a recent x-men issue, a Sentinel was blocking her teleportation because it could block out mutant powers, she obliterated a fleet of em using a spell.

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Interesting fight. Magik is a very crafty character. In character, she has looked into the past and future to find out an opponents weakness more than several times. She spies on opponents. She beat the elder gods by going up and down the timeline looking for ways to defeat them.

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She would be able to see how their fight went.

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4882303-screen+shot+2015-10-30+at+7.54.58+am.png


She has access unlimited prep in the middle of a random encounter. Limbo is a dimension outside time, and she always ports using Limbo. She was able to circumvent a zillion traps to get to the Sword of bone. She could spend years planning and port back into the battle field without a single second passing by.

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I could argue that she would be able to get her hands on fates own sword and use it against him like Mordru.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/5241188-jsa-1-1999.jpg

Her demon horde was able to kill all the heroes of marvel earth across most timelines, that could serve as a distraction while she ports in with his knife.

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http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/5138225-screen+shot+2016-04-07+at+6.48.26+pm.png

She also has a habit of stabbing people from behind.
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4593211-3535473- teleports%2Bbehind%2Bhurts%2Bnon%2Bmagic%2Bwith%2B
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http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3424303-uncanny_x-men_v3_013-009.jpg

Don't know fate a whole lot so I could be wrong

I was hoping you'd weigh in, nwg.

Strangely, maybe it's the side effect of the P5 force? I know everyone else (Cyke/Frost) had their powers screwy after it. But agreed, it might be writer error. For example, sometimes her Soul sword doesn't work on 'real' things:
http://i.imgur.com/KowZ0GT.jpg

Yet, does:
http://i.imgur.com/5PwQjWO.jpg

So am going to have to agree to disagree at the moment, as to the nature of her teleportation.

As for looking into an opponent's past/future, she needs to go into Limbo and use scrying pools, right?

Fate does that with a glance:
http://postimg.org/image/8pmfcwz6b/

And against Faust, through his illusions:
http://postimg.org/image/yb38qibrn/

So both would be a wash there, IMO.

With regards to the Mordru showing...I will be honest, I cannot argue against it - because it was done off panel. Could she replicate it? Was Fate asleep at the time? On the toilet, caught unawares? Had teamed up with Mordru, who had betrayed him? No idea.

ESPECIALLY as his blade responds to his thoughts, and can change direction midair. Note, too, the demon actually plans on doing as you say - using Fate's own blade on Fate:
http://postimg.org/image/nths8i0b7/
http://postimg.org/image/gozyzgt1v/

Moreover, it always hits its target - even when Fate himself isn't aiming:
http://postimg.org/image/4csh88ftf/

So to get stabbed in the back...off-panel...sounds kinda PIS to me. It'll be like someone clobbering Jane Foster in the back with Mjolnir. Or using Magik's own Soulsword against her.

Demon hordes SHOULDN'T matter - just because anything mystical just isn't there for him, at all:
http://postimg.org/image/sdzd9oumr/

Mystic flames are literally nothing. Not even warm.

And of course, we have seen Nekron being useless against Fate (as Galan posted). Nekron, who was shrugging this off:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/lanterns-vs-nekron.jpg

Edit: Super bonus scan. The Empirikuul have been using science to go through dimensions, killing all magic. They have come to the 616 universe, and are already destroying large swathes of magical items and source of power. They captured many of Earth's mages, and were about to kill them, until one of their number sacrificed himself with a tiny bit of leftover magic and shunted them away.

They try to get back and save him, but all magic has already been cut off. Strange specifically asks them all - Shaman, Hellstrom, Scarlet Witch et al - if they have a teleportation spell that still works. Magik and the others look away.

http://postimg.org/image/4k972eoer/

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: Super bonus scan. The Empirikuul have been using science to go through dimensions, killing all magic. They have come to the 616 universe, and are already destroying large swathes of magical items and source of power. They captured many of Earth's mages, and were about to kill them, until one of their number sacrificed himself with a tiny bit of leftover magic and shunted them away.

They try to get back and save him, but all magic has already been cut off. Strange specifically asks them all - Shaman, Hellstrom, Scarlet Witch et al - if they have a teleportation spell that still works. Magik and the others look away.

http://postimg.org/image/4k972eoer/
Yana didn't have a teleportation SPELL available so, literally speaking, she wasn't being dishonest. She simply didn't want to go back and fight a powerful foe with nothing but a bunch of powerless hippies by her side just to save a gnome nobody. So she decided not to mention her MUTANT teleportation powers.

Originally posted by Magnon
Yana didn't have a teleportation SPELL available so, literally speaking, she wasn't being dishonest. She simply didn't want to go back and fight a powerful foe with nothing but a bunch of powerless hippies by her side just to save a gnome nobody. So she decided not to mention her MUTANT teleportation powers.

She says we HAVE to go back. It's her idea in the first place.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She says we HAVE to go back. It's her idea in the first place.
By saying so she made it look like she didn't have the means of returning. Crafty little minx :P

Originally posted by Magnon
By saying so she made it look like she didn't have the means of returning. Crafty little minx :P



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just want to chime in on the idea of using Fate's knife against him.
before Modru could do that he had to kill and absorb the power of a lot of Lords of Order and Chaos. even though it was off panel it was stated as how he was able to control the blade.
that being the case I dont think the feat is repeatable, especially considering said lords are already dead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I was hoping you'd weigh in, nwg.

Strangely, maybe it's the side effect of the P5 force? I know everyone else (Cyke/Frost) had their powers screwy after it. But agreed, it might be writer error. For example, sometimes her Soul sword doesn't work on 'real' things:
http://i.imgur.com/KowZ0GT.jpg

Yet, does:
http://i.imgur.com/5PwQjWO.jpg

The Soul Sword started out as not being able to affect non magical beings and items but as she grew more powerful, she started affecting anything and everything in its path.

She turns a robot into a demon
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4909946-screen+shot+2015-11-15+at+11.38.15+pm.png

Affects non magical monsters
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/5162690-screen+shot+2016-04-11+at+7.57.51+pm.png

Affects intangible beings
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3055309-83002982.jpg

Affects shadows (non-magical)
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http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4840504-screen+shot+2015-10-07+at+1.05.55+pm.png

Affects psychic entities
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3030414-nm4.jpg

it can make inanimate objects bleed
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4886960-screen+shot+2015-11-01+at+11.17.48+pm.png

carves up a sentinel
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ESPECIALLY as his blade responds to his thoughts, and can change direction midair. Note, too, the demon actually plans on doing as you say - using Fate's own blade on Fate:
http://postimg.org/image/nths8i0b7/
http://postimg.org/image/gozyzgt1v/

Moreover, it always hits its target - even when Fate himself isn't aiming:
http://postimg.org/image/4csh88ftf/

Her armor and portal shields should be able to counter it. I guess it's an anti magic blade but her armor blocked her own anti magic sword (swung by a demon that can break adamantium) and acts similar to auto shields
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After reading the context behind the whole Mordru deal, I guess Magik getting her hands on the knife is unlikely.

Still think her teleportation and time travel are the keys to victory though...Magik taught Pixie how to teleport through magic but pixie needs to voice out a spell before she can port.

Oh, yes, his blade negates magic:
http://postimg.org/image/v5e1mk3rn/

But if the sword/armour was...semi-magic (not sure how that is?) then it would only partially work.

With regards to her armour - tricky. On the one hand, I've been sold on the idea that her sword negates ALL magic (I've seen BW's BZ with her). And now, apparently, her own magical armour is proof against it...does that mean her eldritch armour is > Cytorrak, for example?

Illyana's teleportation aint magical,although she can teleport with magic if she wants to(she taught pixie her porting trick)

Wonder why she didn't just go back to save Monako then...

http://postimg.org/image/4k972eoer/

Writers are so silly sometimes.

Another non magical attack Magik could turn to is to infect him with the transmode virus.
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/4771075-illyana+transmutes+skunge+%28new+mutants+63%29.jpg

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3773647-nm47_knights.jpg

Nova Prime almost died because of it
http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2909250-nova12preview3.jpg

She could also take them both to limbo,her dimension

Originally posted by Genii96
She could also take them both to limbo,her dimension

Looking at Fate's powerset, Limbo wouldn't do much good since he is immune to all kinds of magic. Luckily for Illyana she has other options that don't rely on magic