Forgotten One vs Captain Marvel(Billy)

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golem370
Who wins?

Sin I AM
Billy. Forgotten One didnt do anything but die iirc

golem370
Held his own against Thor back in the day.

Insane Titan
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Billy. Forgotten One didnt do anything but die iirc think you're talking about the herald Fallen One.

leonidas
no forgotten one went against thor as well iirc. he was later revealed to be gilgamesh and was in the avengers for a time. he was powerful, but i'd take billy. pretty sure gilgamesh was below icarus in terms of power, and i'd take billy over icarus as well.

zopzop
Originally posted by leonidas
no forgotten one went against thor as well iirc. he was later revealed to be gilgamesh and was in the avengers for a time. he was powerful, but i'd take billy. pretty sure gilgamesh was below icarus in terms of power, and i'd take billy over icarus as well.
Nah. Gil was more powerful than Ikaris and Ikaris admitted it on panel (don't know about now though). But Gil had one annoying weakness, he weakened the longer he was away from Olympia. It could even prove to be fatal (see the Avengers Inferno aftermath tie in). When he fought Thor he had been away from Olympia for a long while acting as a servant to the Celestials.

Gil at his best would beat Billy IMHO.

leonidas
really? i don't recall ikaris saying that, but those issues are pretty old so i'll take your word for it. still, i put billy firmly in high herald, right there with thor, so i still don't see billy losing this one.

golem370
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero10.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero13.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero2.jpg

zopzop
Originally posted by leonidas
really? i don't recall ikaris saying that, but those issues are pretty old so i'll take your word for it. still, i put billy firmly in high herald, right there with thor, so i still don't see billy losing this one.
Ikaris stating both Thor and Gil are stronger than him but the gap in power isn't that great :
http://s33.postimg.org/5gx5b1smz/Photo_by_Mike_Mekel.jpg

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by zopzop
Nah. Gil was more powerful than Ikaris and Ikaris admitted it on panel (don't know about now though). But Gil had one annoying weakness, he weakened the longer he was away from Olympia. It could even prove to be fatal (see the Avengers Inferno aftermath tie in). When he fought Thor he had been away from Olympia for a long while acting as a servant to the Celestials.

Gil at his best would beat Billy IMHO.


Agreed, plus he has way more experience.

Horrificus
Gil does not have any big wins or feats.
I think he has actually been killed lke 3 times.
And if u go back and read his tour with the Avengers, it gets sadder and sadder.

He's a goof.

Zack M
Billy.

abhilegend
Gilgamesh was amped against Thor.

leonidas
amped? how do you figure? i was remembering more about his time as an avenger and not being able to really remember him doing anything special....

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
amped? how do you figure? i was remembering more about his time as an avenger and not being able to really remember him doing anything special....
The celestials had amped him. Explicitly stated.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
The celestials had amped him. Explicitly stated.

Explicitly prove it. I don't recall that being the case.

riv6672
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Explicitly prove it.
Not too interested in this thread (reading it on a slooow forum morning) but that was hilarious.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by riv6672
Not too interested in this thread (reading it on a slooow forum morning) but that was hilarious.

If he comes up with some bullshit like he did when he claimed Sun Eater drained Superman, I'm calling for his banning for Lying About Scans, 3rd offense.

carver9
He was amped. I usually don't agree with ABHI but he's right this time. I don't recall him losing that amp though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Explicitly prove it. I don't recall that being the case. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If he comes up with some bullshit like he did when he claimed Sun Eater drained Superman, I'm calling for his banning for Lying About Scans, 3rd offense.
laughing out loud

Look at this pup, yapping around.

Read Thor 288-89 and then talk back to me kid.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
He was amped. I usually don't agree with ABHI but he's right this time. I don't recall him losing that amp though.
He lost the amp as soon as the armor was taken away from him.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
He lost the amp as soon as the armor was taken away from him.


Lol...the armor had nothing to do with the Celestial amp.

http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/kirby/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2006/02/The-Eternals-13-1977.jpg

He gained his power "after" receiving the armor.

DarkSaint85
Get em, Carver Prime.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Look at this pup, yapping around.

Read Thor 288-89 and then talk back to me kid.

No, post it or STFU. You made the claim.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...the armor had nothing to do with the Celestial amp.

http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/kirby/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2006/02/The-Eternals-13-1977.jpg

He gained his power "after" receiving the armor.

How is giving a man a space suit an "amp?" Agreed Carver, this definitely isn't. But where did he get an amp?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...the armor had nothing to do with the Celestial amp.

http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/kirby/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2006/02/The-Eternals-13-1977.jpg

He gained his power "after" receiving the armor.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpg

The armor was destroyed in the same issue, the new armor granted by Celestials made him stronger than before.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, post it or STFU. You made the claim.
Shut up pup. You're just a lamer version of LoB at this point.

celeyhyga17
Armor was not created by the Celestials. That was Sprite.

But the Celestial turned him back "as he was before". The armor was also removed by the Celestial in the same issue.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut up pup. You're just a lamer version of LoB at this point.

Hmm, that counts as a power up unless he lost the power later. Since you are referring to it as an "amp", when did he lose the temporary power?

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Armor was not created by the Celestials. That was Sprite.

But the Celestial turned him back "as he was before". The armor was also removed by the Celestial in the same issue.

thumb up

Don't know where ABHI is coming up with this stuff.

riv6672
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If he comes up with some bullshit like he did when he claimed Sun Eater drained Superman, I'm calling for his banning for Lying About Scans, 3rd offense.
Is that a thing?
Because it'd be like 333rd.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Hmm, that counts as a power up unless he lost the power later. Since you are referring to it as an "amp", when did he lose the temporary power? Originally posted by carver9
thumb up

Don't know where ABHI is coming up with this stuff. Originally posted by riv6672
Is that a thing?
Because it'd be like 333rd.
Look at the trinity of clowns. Forgotten One was amped by the celestials and then they removed his amp after that.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663830_Thor_289_03.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663831_Thor_289_04.jpg

Anything else you want to add clowns?

Zack M
Billy beats his ass.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Look at the trinity of clowns. Forgotten One was amped by the celestials and then they removed his amp after that.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663830_Thor_289_03.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663831_Thor_289_04.jpg

Anything else you want to add clowns?
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpg

The armor was destroyed in the same issue, the new armor granted by Celestials made him stronger than before.
Oh man, I completely forgot about that. I agree with you Abhi, he WAS amped.
Originally posted by Zack M
Billy beats his ass.
Yup. I change my mind. I agree with this.

DarkSaint85
I'm sure carver prime and BAV will have plenty to say. I have been convinced by abhi bhai

the Darkone
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Explicitly prove it. I don't recall that being the case.
Forgotten one was amp by toaa celestial

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh man, I completely forgot about that. I agree with you Abhi, he WAS amped.

Yup. I change my mind. I agree with this.
The armor was never fully destroyed. Read the Eternals #13. The armor created by Sprite was pretty much intact even after FO stopped the bomb. TOAA revived him and greatly amplified his power.

zopzop
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
TOAA revived him and greatly amplified his power.
This is the important part. I forgot about the power amp.

This is the heart of the problem. I based my original opinion on the fact that Forgotten One was plowing through dozens of Eternals and holding his own against Thor for a while. Forgotten One had the Celestial Amp during this no?

With the amp, IMHO Forgotten One wins. Without the amp, Billy beats him into a coma.

celeyhyga17
Yeah. Had the amp.

Blue Area Vet
I have stated it was an amp if the power given was shown to be taken away. Does anyone have a scan showing this? If it wasn't taken away, it was a power up and not an amp. This really isn't complicated, even for a "clown." You like that one Abster?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm sure carver prime and BAV will have plenty to say. I have been convinced by abhi bhai

What a weak attempt at flaming. Come on, you can do better than that.

Zack M
FO better get the amp.

Horrificus
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Look at this pup, yapping around.

Read Thor 288-89 and then talk back to me kid. laughing hehe.
Abhi, yer a mean guy. Very funny.

Horrificus
Originally posted by abhilegend
Look at the trinity of clowns. Forgotten One was amped by the celestials and then they removed his amp after that.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663830_Thor_289_03.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27663831_Thor_289_04.jpg

Anything else you want to add clowns?
Hehe. He said "Heimdall's Horn". Hehe.

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