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The Jaina who was amped by Luke in LotF: Invincible.

Full rest/recovery, victor is wins/100.

Trash: Darth Bane
1. Dooku
2. Arcann
3. Darth Revan
4. Darth Vader
5. Darth Krayt
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Vitiate
8. Yoda
9. Darth Sidious (RotJ)
10. Darth Sidious (DE)
11. Luke Skywalker (TUF)

Stops at 2, even if you're reaching and insisting that Amped Jaina = Caedus level, Arcann is superior to Caedus kek.

Ignoring your disgraceful trolling, amped! Jaina is above Caedus, who thought that she was Luke. If she were just Caedus level, he would've noted that Luke was slow that day or something.

Jaina was actually overwhelming Caedus, they both fall and she landed lighter than he did. Caedus managed to injure her by outmaneuvering her and tossing a corpse at her or something, but even then, he was terrified of Jaina .ie Luke.

From Jaina's own PoV, she thought she was superman.

My opinion is that amped Jaina = Luke in raw power.

5 at best.

Bump

8

Dies at 1

Should make it past the first three, at least.

Lol @Arcann>Dooku btw

6.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
6. Plagueis
7. Vitate
Good old times

Originally posted by The Ellimist
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Vitiate

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
5 at best.

6, imo.

Loses to Bane.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Loses to Bane.

2.

Makes it to Plagueis, I'd wager.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
2.
Why? :/
Also, do you care about Arcann vs Tyranus/Caedus?

Holding an advantage over a one-armes Caedus ain't as impressive as you guys are making it out to be. Not that I think Caedus is all that powerful these days anyway.

I think Arcann takes Dooku for a majority, but losses to Caedus, yeah.

Originally posted by Azronger


It's accurate tho

Originally posted by JKBart
Stops at 2, even if you're reaching and insisting that Amped Jaina = Caedus level, Arcann is superior to Caedus kek.

She is above Caedus, but not as far as Arcann

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ignoring your disgraceful trolling, amped! Jaina is above Caedus, who thought that she was Luke. If she were just Caedus level, he would've noted that Luke was slow that day or something.

Jaina was actually overwhelming Caedus, they both fall and she landed lighter than he did. Caedus managed to injure her by outmaneuvering her and tossing a corpse at her or something, but even then, he was terrified of Jaina .ie Luke.

From Jaina's own PoV, she thought she was superman.

My opinion is that amped Jaina = Luke in raw power.

He probably though she was Luke because, oh I don't know, maybe he was sensing the amp from Luke himself, and thought it was him? Just a logical deduction

I would agree that she was above Caedus though

On another note ordering is cancerous

@Deronn
This is Jaina as of her first fight against Caedus, before he lost his arm; as shewas amped by Luke.

Nah. The Count > Arcann

Originally posted by Tondemonai
It's accurate tho



She is above Caedus, but not as far as Arcann
Arcann isn't > Caedus, tho.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
@Deronn
This is Jaina as of her first fight against Caedus, before he lost his arm; as shewas amped by Luke.

Nah. The Count > Arcann

Your gap between Obi Wan, Arcann, Dooku and Vader, plix...

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Your gap between Obi Wan, Arcann, Dooku and Vader, plix...
Plix?

@Urs: Umm, his arm was hurt in that fight too? lmao.

Nice argument, per usual.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Plix?

Plix is just "please". lol

@Deronn What? Really? mmm
Ah yeah, just skimmed through it. Yeah, she shot him prior. My bad.
I still find it more impressive than Arcann, tho, tbh.

@TenebrousWay I though so, lol.
Vader is at the top of Tier 8 as Force User, and at the top of Tier 8/bottom of Tier 9 as duelist.
Dooku is a low 9 as duelist, and a low 8 as force user.
Arcann is a high 8 as duelist, but lower than Vader, and around Dooku in the Force.
Overall, Vader > Dooku > Arcann.

Vader works as mid 8 in force, tbh
Arcann is potentially above low 8 in force, IMO, but that depends how you rate Valkorion.

And about Obi Wan, Maul and Outlander, grouped together with these you already rated?

All are High 8s saber-wise, with Kenobi being a bit above the other two.
They're Tier 7 in the Force. Kenobi is most likely low in the Tier, Maul mid-high and dunno about the Outlander, tbh.

Nah, not really, lal.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah, not really, lal.
Yeah, really, lel

The most bias person here saying something bias is hardly convincing, lmao.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
The most bias person here saying something bias is hardly convincing, lmao.
Huh? I said your opinion is biased?
Alos, I am the most biased peroson here? When it gives people who put Vitate > Sidious, despite latter having like a dozen quotes that prove otherwise; and someone says that every random DC member is Dooku tier? Really?

Urs isn't the most bias on the forum, tbh.

I'm starting to wonder if you're even reading what I'm saying....

Moral to the story here; if you want a debate, just do so. I'm not really interested in pointless backwards and forwards banter right now.



Both the left and the right has their extremist, truthfully, very few people are truly unbiased when they enter threads these days. Regardless, you shouldn't take everything I say at absolute face value.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I'm starting to wonder if you're even reading what I'm saying....

Moral to the story here; if you want a debate, just do so. I'm not really interested in pointless backwards and forwards banter right now.



Both the left and the right has their extremist, truthfully, very few people are truly unbiased when they enter threads these days. Regardless, you shouldn't take everything I say at absolute face value.
Sorry, I thought I read a "is".

I normally don't do, but tht was huge, lol.


OT: I think Jaina would win against Arcann, due to her greater skill; as she had the upper hnd against Caedus, who -with one hand and and while distracted- bested Kyle.

I find the Force gap to be bigger than the skill gap with Arcann being ahead of Jaina in that former category. Deflecting ship downing lightning, and ragdolling The Outlander > anything Jaina has.



1. Caedus wasn't distracted against Katarn, lmao.
2. Caedus had more than one arm against Katarn
3. Kyle best skill feat is outstripped by a pre-peak Outlander assuming he is the HoT. Someone Arcann has stalemated with sabers in the past.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I find the Force gap to be bigger than the skill gap with Arcann being ahead of Jaina in that former category. Deflecting ship downing lightning, and ragdolling The Outlander > anything Jaina has.
1. Caedus wasn't distracted against Katarn, lmao.
2. Caedus had more than one arm against Katarn
3. Kyle best skill feat is outstripped by a pre-peak Outlander assuming he is the HoT. Someone Arcann has stalemated with sabers in the past.
Seems fair. I disagree, tho.

1. I'll search if I find the quote.
2. I just saw what Shit i wrote yesterday, lmao. Sorry.
He was injured, not one-armed. He still defended himself from Kyle's attacks, with one arm with a move "he could've done while sleeping".
3. Obviously. But honestly, I see the gap berween Caedus and Kyle significantly better than beween Arcann and pre-peak HoT.