Qui Gon vs. Nyriss

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The Ellimist
1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-out

JKBart
1) Instant ragdoll
2) Speedblitz
3) Either

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nyriss should have this in the bag, tbh.

Syndicate
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nyriss should have this in the bag, tbh.

S_W_LeGenD
Qui Gon is a PT-era master swordsman. Who can compete? mmm

Trocity
Maul>Nyriss

SunRazer
Qui-Gon can compete (in sabers, at least), but he loses all of them.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Qui Gon is a PT-era master swordsman. Who can compete? mmm
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Nyriss's mastery doesn't mean jack shit seeing as how Qui-Gon mastered a form four thousand years after Nyriss died.

Syndicate
Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Nyriss's mastery doesn't mean jack shit seeing as how Qui-Gon mastered a form four thousand years after Nyriss died.

Emp I don't think... Nevermind.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Qui Gon is a PT-era master swordsman. Who can compete? mmm Legend is on the money yes

The Ellimist
Qui Gon wins.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah, Kek.

The Ellimist
Based on what feats, beating Scourge (lol) and an inhibited Meetra on a powerful dark side nexus?

Qui Gon was one of the greatest warriors of all time, stalemating Windu in sparring matches and putting up a fight against Maul when he was past his prime. He was highly esteemed in the prime of the Jedi.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
By way of feats, Meetra was able to fight through the surface and Trayus Academy on Malachor V, beat down Sion multiple times, and defeat/kill Traya at the heart of her power. Traya was not only Revan's favored teacher, but was demonstrably hilariously above the surviving members of the Jedi High Council. Scourge in the Novel was implied to be Meetra's equal, and even assuming he wasn't, the disparity isn't shown to be vast by any means.

Nyriss jumps in between the two and is still too fast for them to hope to keep up with her in sabers. She completely and utterly outclasses both Meetra and Scourge. Even if they were on a DS nexus:

A: Scourge would be amped too.

B: Meetra has dealt with much worse, as evidenced in KOTOR 2.

Nyriss's power in the force is so great that she's capable of incinerating Meetra and Scourge with her FLS, knocking Meetra on her ass with a bolt of lightning, and ashing herself with her FLS despite erecting a force barrier. This level of power is much greater than that of, say, Count Dooku, as far as lightning is concerned. The above is more impressive than merely sparring with Windu, (lol) and dying to Maul who IIRC had a broken shin or ankle or something to that effect. Also, wasn't the sparring with Windu quote revealed as fake/nonexistent anyways?

Ultimately, Nyriss is at least just as effective, (and possibly more effective,) a swordsman as Qui Gon, and a demonstrably and thematically more powerful force user. She's spent her whole life delving into the secrets of Sith Sorcery, and her standing on the Dark Council marks her as one of the 12 most powerful sith in the galaxy and implies access to the highest levels/forms of knowledge the Sith Empire had to offer.

Dark-Kenshin
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
By way of feats, Meetra was able to fight through the surface and Trayus Academy on Malachor V, beat down Sion multiple times, and defeat/kill Traya at the heart of her power. Traya was not only Revan's favored teacher, but was demonstrably hilariously above the surviving members of the Jedi High Council. Scourge in the Novel was implied to be Meetra's equal, and even assuming he wasn't, the disparity isn't shown to be vast by any means.

Nyriss jumps in between the two and is still too fast for them to hope to keep up with her in sabers. She completely and utterly outclasses both Meetra and Scourge. Even if they were on a DS nexus:

A: Scourge would be amped too.

B: Meetra has dealt with much worse, as evidenced in KOTOR 2.

Nyriss's power in the force is so great that she's capable of incinerating Meetra and Scourge with her FLS, knocking Meetra on her ass with a bolt of lightning, and ashing herself with her FLS despite erecting a force barrier. This level of power is much greater than that of, say, Count Dooku, as far as lightning is concerned. The above is more impressive than merely sparring with Windu, (lol) and dying to Maul who IIRC had a broken shin or ankle or something to that effect. Also, wasn't the sparring with Windu quote revealed as fake/nonexistent anyways?

Ultimately, Nyriss is at least just as effective, (and possibly more effective,) a swordsman as Qui Gon, and a demonstrably and thematically more powerful force user. She's spent her whole life delving into the secrets of Sith Sorcery, and her standing on the Dark Council marks her as one of the 12 most powerful sith in the galaxy and implies access to the highest levels/forms of knowledge the Sith Empire had to offer. Making Revan's absolute stompage all the more impressive. Vitiate too. Force beasts.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
thumb up the Novel gives Revan some of his absolute best wank.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
By way of feats, Meetra was able to fight through the surface and Trayus Academy on Malachor V,

Which you yourself have downplayed, given that these academy sith have the impressive feat of...losing to Meetra.

Also Meetra was weakened when she fought Nyriss. thumb up



Whose most relevant combat feat is losing to Meetra.



What did those Jedi council members do? What has Traya done? Her best feat, her drain, doesn't work on Meetra, kek.



He evidently isn't, given that he doesn't do anything to help in the fight.



Scourge is featless except for struggling against some droid factory.



Against nameless sith. thumb up



She charged it.



That just speaks to her power relative to her defenses, lol.



Dooku incapacitated TCW Anakin with his lightning.



Maul's injury soak is greater than Sion's, I don't think that would matter much. And the two were going at it relatively evenly on Tatooine. And this is Qui Gon past his prime.



mmm I can't find it, so I guess I won't use it. That hardly matters - his ability to perform so well against Darth Maul is impressive enough.



LMAO, did you just use Nyriss's status on the counterpart to the Jedi Council as an argument for her superiority over Qui Gon? A dark council that had...who, on it, again? laughing I guess Ki-adi Mundi is above Dooku, right?


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Qui-Gon is on the same tier as TPM Darth Maul. This same Maul is "one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history", being confirmed as a legitimate potential sucessor to the Banite line, being able to walk through Force lightning, etc. Qui-Gin himself was able to humble Anoon Bondara in combat, the same Anoon who was considered to be one of the greatest blademasters in the prime of the Jedi Order, and out of its whole 25,000 year history.

Let's compare him to the badass "Scourge" (and an inhibited Meetra) that Nyriss bested. Scourge not only struggles against droid factories, but was completely unremarkable at this time in the sith empire - nobody knew him, he was scared of fighting anyone on the dark council, he held no significant leadership positions - his best accolade is that he was at the top of his class in his academy and intimidated some lightsaber instructors, .ie, Sirak-tier. And this is a sith empire that at the time has Vitiate and...and...nobody else of note. There's no indication that this guy is even as good as TPM Obi Wan, let alone Anoon Bondara, let alone Qui-Gon.

Nyriss has done nothing of note. I guess you could argue that we have a hard time pinpointing an upper limit on her abilities beyond being far below Revan, but probabilistically speaking it's unlikely given the body of evidence we have for her and her apparent lack of any distinction in the history of the Star Wars literature that she is on Jinn's level.

NewGuy01
*cough*

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by The Ellimist

Qui Gon was one of the greatest warriors of all time,
Who isn't?

Syndicate
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who isn't?

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cs_zoltan
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who isn't?

Malgus.

Syndicate
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Malgus.

Malgus submitted utterly to the dark side, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated.

Source: Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

In his quest for domination, Darth Sidious tracked down what remained of five pivotal Sith texts written by his most powerful predecessors.

Source: Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side: Official Synopsis

Lol u ****ing uneducated trasheap.

cs_zoltan
*trash heap

Syndicate
don't make me fondle ur cock.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who isn't? Most SWTOR characters. smile

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Syndicate
don't make me fondle ur cock.

Don't worry, that's never gona happen.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who isn't?

kyp duron

Syndicate
Originally posted by NewGuy01
kyp duron

thumb up

Syndicate
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Don't worry, that's never gona happen.

Might happen sooner then you'd expect. :3

carthage
Probably Nyriss

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by carthage
Probably Nyriss
Probably?

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by NewGuy01
kyp duron
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Malgus.
Blam

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